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Quoted: Why pass a law? Orange Julius, or the next Puppeteer, will just do it by executive fiat. Take the guns first, due process second. View Quote Attached File |
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I thought we could print lowers now. Their time to attempt control has passed. Comply with nothing.
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The freedom grabbers will stop at nothing to gut the Constitution.
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Quoted: FATF try passing a law View Quote Quoted: Fuck ATF. Fuck Joe Biden. View Quote Quoted: The only new laws should come from Congress View Quote F3PNI very well FATF & FJB |
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Quoted: dumbest thing you could ever say Yeah, your gonna ignore this law just like you ignore the machinegun ban right. ANYBODY who just acts like this is not a huge deal has either an inability to grasp reality or is to busy planning video games to pay attention to what is going on right now unfuckinbelievablystupid https://cdn.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/1342807235103_8089078.png View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Oh, no Anyway dumbest thing you could ever say Yeah, your gonna ignore this law just like you ignore the machinegun ban right. ANYBODY who just acts like this is not a huge deal has either an inability to grasp reality or is to busy planning video games to pay attention to what is going on right now unfuckinbelievablystupid https://cdn.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/1342807235103_8089078.png What law has been passed on the federal level that bans private sales of firearms? Yes commie states like Va enacted unconstitutional UBC's but not the feds. The GayTF doesn't have the authority to make law. The 5th Circuit will ram that 1300 pages of bullshit right up the GayTF's ass. |
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Quoted: Registration is not happening without a law from Congress. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: They been trying. Registration and then confiscation usually come next Registration is not happening without a law from Congress. Va effectively has registration. UBC's provided that. |
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As noted in the thread already, such a move is on shaky, if not untenable legal ground. But, there's many reasons the ATF and this administration will try anyway.
1. Pro-forma actions to demonstrate to the anti-RKBA portion of the Democrat/Left base, and organizations that "they're trying." 2. They also know the news cycles always broadcast the "enactments" (or announcement) of Exec. EO's & agency rule making, and the court injunctions or outright eventual defeat is back-page news, if it's even mentioned at all. 3. Since the intent is almost always really to restrict, discourage, or otherwise harass legal gun owners, and not "fight crime," the initial announcement still serves its purpose. How many legal gun owners even know for sure where braces or bumpstocks stand currently? How many just avoid them altogether? And that's usefull suppression for an anti-RKBA ATF & administration. Conversely, how often do otherwise legal gun owners run afoul of the NFA with accessories or parts they can buy unrestricted? That's a useful avenue to prosecute/punish them for otherwise legal things, or force them into becoming informants etc. |
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Quoted: What law has been passed on the federal level that bans private sales of firearms? Yes commie states like Va enacted unconstitutional UBC's but not the feds. The GayTF doesn't have the authority to make law. The 5th Circuit will ram that 1300 pages of bullshit right up the GayTF's ass. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Oh, no Anyway dumbest thing you could ever say Yeah, your gonna ignore this law just like you ignore the machinegun ban right. ANYBODY who just acts like this is not a huge deal has either an inability to grasp reality or is to busy planning video games to pay attention to what is going on right now unfuckinbelievablystupid https://cdn.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/1342807235103_8089078.png What law has been passed on the federal level that bans private sales of firearms? Yes commie states like Va enacted unconstitutional UBC's but not the feds. The GayTF doesn't have the authority to make law. The 5th Circuit will ram that 1300 pages of bullshit right up the GayTF's ass. Scroll up. The Safer Communities Act of 2022 effectively does so. Not completely, but pretty effectively. It changed the longstanding definition of "dealer" under the 1968 GCA, and greatly broadened it. |
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I wonder what is going to happen when they criminalize everyone?
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The Solicitor General stated the Department of Justice does not receive Chevron Deference when criminal penalties are involved while arguing before the Supreme Court last month.
Attached File They would need to base this plan on statutory interpretation, and explain why/ how they have allowed such sales for the years since the law was passed that made them illegal. Kharn |
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Quoted: Scroll up. The Safer Communities Act of 2022 effectively does so. Not completely, but pretty effectively. It changed the longstanding definition of "dealer" under the 1968 GCA, and greatly broadened it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Oh, no Anyway dumbest thing you could ever say Yeah, your gonna ignore this law just like you ignore the machinegun ban right. ANYBODY who just acts like this is not a huge deal has either an inability to grasp reality or is to busy planning video games to pay attention to what is going on right now unfuckinbelievablystupid https://cdn.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/1342807235103_8089078.png What law has been passed on the federal level that bans private sales of firearms? Yes commie states like Va enacted unconstitutional UBC's but not the feds. The GayTF doesn't have the authority to make law. The 5th Circuit will ram that 1300 pages of bullshit right up the GayTF's ass. Scroll up. The Safer Communities Act of 2022 effectively does so. Not completely, but pretty effectively. It changed the longstanding definition of "dealer" under the 1968 GCA, and greatly broadened it. Yea I forgot about that Bipartisan piece of garbage. |
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I doubt the actual ATF isn’t even writing it.
1300+ pages? It’s been written by the Anti-Gun lobby, and then handed off to the ATF bureaucrats. |
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Quoted: Va effectively has registration. UBC's provided that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They been trying. Registration and then confiscation usually come next Registration is not happening without a law from Congress. Va effectively has registration. UBC's provided that. Firearm sales; criminal history record information checks; penalty. Requires a background check for any firearm sale and directs the Department of State Police (the Department) to establish a process for transferors to obtain such a background check from licensed firearms dealers. A person who sells a firearm to another person without obtaining the required background check is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. The bill also provides that a purchaser who receives a firearm from another person without obtaining the required background check is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. The bill removes the provision that makes background checks of prospective purchasers or transferees at firearms shows voluntary. The bill also provides that the Department shall have three business days to complete a background check before a firearm may be transferred. This bill incorporates SB 12 and is identical to HB 2. AG Miyares - I wonder where this action to undo the UBC stands? RICHMOND, Vir -(Ammoland.com)- Why is Virginia’s “pro-gun” Attorney General fighting so hard to protect Universal Background Checks? In 2019 Democrats took both chambers of the legislature in Virginia. They quickly went to work passing gun control. Although most bills were stopped after tens of thousands of well-armed Virginians showed up at the Capital in Richmond to protest the proposed laws, a few laws slipped through. One of the bills that did make it through was universal background checks (UBC) which made it illegal to transfer a firearm without going through a federal firearms licensee (FFL). Universal Background Checks (UBC) Many law-abiding gun owners felt this requirement violated the Virginia Constitution, which has a more robust “right to bear arms” Amendment than the U.S. Constitution. Gun Owners of America (GOA), Gun Owners Foundation (GOF), and Virginia Citizens Defense League (VCDL) joined together to sue the Commonwealth over the new law. When the suit was filed, Mark Herring was Virginia’s Attorney General, and he fought tooth and nail to defend UBCs. The gun rights groups, based in Virginia, won a partial injunction against the law. The court ordered those residents aged 18-20 to be exempt from the law. In Virginia, it is legal for anyone above 18 to own a handgun. Still, federal law makes it illegal to transfer a handgun to anyone under 21 through the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). Before the law went into effect, people under 21 could buy a handgun through a private sale. The judge ruled that residents between the age of 18 and 20 would still be able to acquire handguns through private sales without going through an FFL. The Constitutionality of the rest of the law would have to be argued in court. Before the gun rights organizations had their day in court, an election that shook the political landscape took place in Virginia. Campaigning on education and gun rights, Republicans took the Governor’s mansion, the Lieutenant Governorship, and the Attorney General’s office. The Virginia House of Delegates also flipped to red. Jason Miyares, endorsed by the National Rifle Association (NRA), was the first Hispanic to become Virginia’s, Attorney General. After the historic night, gun owners rejoiced. It would take time and one more election cycle to eliminate the gun control passed by Democrats, but at least UBCs could be killed by Attorney General (AG) Miyares entering into an agreement with the plaintiffs. Many believed that AG Miyares would agree with gun rights organizations’ demands. After all, Mr. Miyares voted against UBCs when he was a member of the Virginia House of Delegates and had an A rating with the NRA. But he did dodge questions about UBCs and magazine limitations on the campaign trail, which worried some, but the overall feeling in the gun community was that he would do the right thing. The Richmond Times wrote: “Miyares dodged a question asking for his position on universal background checks, limits on magazine capacity, and a ban on assault weapons.” If Miyares honestly voted his conscious as a Delegate, he could end UBCs in the Commonwealth overnight. But that hope was lost when he started fighting hard to save UBCs. Same as his anti-gun AG predecessor leaving many to wonder if Miyares’ pro-gun rhetoric in the House of Delegates was just a show to get votes. Virginians are left to wonder if he voted against UBCs because he knew they would pass no matter his vote. Today, Gun Owners of America launched an email campaign to get AG Miyares to fulfill his promises made as a member of the House of Delegates. The gun rights organization is asking Virginians to email the Attorney General’s office and ask him to stand down on UBCs and uphold his oath not only to the U.S. Constitution but also to the Virginia Constitution. GOA added an easy-to-use form on its website. The group also included the AG’s phone number for gun owners to call. The email reads: “Unfortunately, Attorney General Miyares is NOT WILLING to support our efforts and still insists on enforcing—and defending—the unconstitutional law passed by anti-gun zealots.” GOA’s Senior Vice President Erich Pratt also was disappointed that the AG is continuing to fight for gun control. He had hoped that Miyares would have back away from the failed actions of Herring. “It’s disappointing that Jason Miyares plans to enforce legislation that was enacted by anti-gun Democrats—specifically, a law that requires practically every transfer of a firearm to generate a background check and paperwork at a licensed gun dealer,” Pratt told AmmoLand News. “This scheme has contributed to the massive database of gun owners that is being maintained by the ATF—a registry that will only serve as a first step to gun confiscation. Miyares should be doing everything in his power to help the GOA-VCDL case succeed, rather than fighting in favor of gun control.” Virginia gun owners are a powerful voting bloc leading many to wonder if Miyares is risking his political career by defending the law that many claim violates the Virginia and U.S. Constitution and might run afoul of the Supreme Court’s Bruen decision since there are no historical analogs for background checks in 1791. Virginia AG spokesperson Victoria LaCivita provided this response to AmmoLand News’ request for comment: “While I cannot comment on pending litigation, Attorney General Miyares is dedicated to protecting our GOD-given constitutional rights and ensuring they are not infringed upon.” |
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Quoted: AG Miyares - I wonder where this action to undo the UBC stands? RICHMOND, Vir -(Ammoland.com)- Why is Virginia's "pro-gun" Attorney General fighting so hard to protect Universal Background Checks? In 2019 Democrats took both chambers of the legislature in Virginia. They quickly went to work passing gun control. Although most bills were stopped after tens of thousands of well-armed Virginians showed up at the Capital in Richmond to protest the proposed laws, a few laws slipped through. One of the bills that did make it through was universal background checks (UBC) which made it illegal to transfer a firearm without going through a federal firearms licensee (FFL). Universal Background Checks (UBC) Many law-abiding gun owners felt this requirement violated the Virginia Constitution, which has a more robust "right to bear arms" Amendment than the U.S. Constitution. Gun Owners of America (GOA), Gun Owners Foundation (GOF), and Virginia Citizens Defense League (VCDL) joined together to sue the Commonwealth over the new law. When the suit was filed, Mark Herring was Virginia's Attorney General, and he fought tooth and nail to defend UBCs. The gun rights groups, based in Virginia, won a partial injunction against the law. The court ordered those residents aged 18-20 to be exempt from the law. In Virginia, it is legal for anyone above 18 to own a handgun. Still, federal law makes it illegal to transfer a handgun to anyone under 21 through the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). Before the law went into effect, people under 21 could buy a handgun through a private sale. The judge ruled that residents between the age of 18 and 20 would still be able to acquire handguns through private sales without going through an FFL. The Constitutionality of the rest of the law would have to be argued in court. Before the gun rights organizations had their day in court, an election that shook the political landscape took place in Virginia. Campaigning on education and gun rights, Republicans took the Governor's mansion, the Lieutenant Governorship, and the Attorney General's office. The Virginia House of Delegates also flipped to red. Jason Miyares, endorsed by the National Rifle Association (NRA), was the first Hispanic to become Virginia's, Attorney General. After the historic night, gun owners rejoiced. It would take time and one more election cycle to eliminate the gun control passed by Democrats, but at least UBCs could be killed by Attorney General (AG) Miyares entering into an agreement with the plaintiffs. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They been trying. Registration and then confiscation usually come next Registration is not happening without a law from Congress. Va effectively has registration. UBC's provided that. Firearm sales; criminal history record information checks; penalty. Requires a background check for any firearm sale and directs the Department of State Police (the Department) to establish a process for transferors to obtain such a background check from licensed firearms dealers. A person who sells a firearm to another person without obtaining the required background check is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. The bill also provides that a purchaser who receives a firearm from another person without obtaining the required background check is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. The bill removes the provision that makes background checks of prospective purchasers or transferees at firearms shows voluntary. The bill also provides that the Department shall have three business days to complete a background check before a firearm may be transferred. This bill incorporates SB 12 and is identical to HB 2. AG Miyares - I wonder where this action to undo the UBC stands? RICHMOND, Vir -(Ammoland.com)- Why is Virginia's "pro-gun" Attorney General fighting so hard to protect Universal Background Checks? In 2019 Democrats took both chambers of the legislature in Virginia. They quickly went to work passing gun control. Although most bills were stopped after tens of thousands of well-armed Virginians showed up at the Capital in Richmond to protest the proposed laws, a few laws slipped through. One of the bills that did make it through was universal background checks (UBC) which made it illegal to transfer a firearm without going through a federal firearms licensee (FFL). Universal Background Checks (UBC) Many law-abiding gun owners felt this requirement violated the Virginia Constitution, which has a more robust "right to bear arms" Amendment than the U.S. Constitution. Gun Owners of America (GOA), Gun Owners Foundation (GOF), and Virginia Citizens Defense League (VCDL) joined together to sue the Commonwealth over the new law. When the suit was filed, Mark Herring was Virginia's Attorney General, and he fought tooth and nail to defend UBCs. The gun rights groups, based in Virginia, won a partial injunction against the law. The court ordered those residents aged 18-20 to be exempt from the law. In Virginia, it is legal for anyone above 18 to own a handgun. Still, federal law makes it illegal to transfer a handgun to anyone under 21 through the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). Before the law went into effect, people under 21 could buy a handgun through a private sale. The judge ruled that residents between the age of 18 and 20 would still be able to acquire handguns through private sales without going through an FFL. The Constitutionality of the rest of the law would have to be argued in court. Before the gun rights organizations had their day in court, an election that shook the political landscape took place in Virginia. Campaigning on education and gun rights, Republicans took the Governor's mansion, the Lieutenant Governorship, and the Attorney General's office. The Virginia House of Delegates also flipped to red. Jason Miyares, endorsed by the National Rifle Association (NRA), was the first Hispanic to become Virginia's, Attorney General. After the historic night, gun owners rejoiced. It would take time and one more election cycle to eliminate the gun control passed by Democrats, but at least UBCs could be killed by Attorney General (AG) Miyares entering into an agreement with the plaintiffs. Many believed that AG Miyares would agree with gun rights organizations' demands. After all, Mr. Miyares voted against UBCs when he was a member of the Virginia House of Delegates and had an A rating with the NRA. But he did dodge questions about UBCs and magazine limitations on the campaign trail, which worried some, but the overall feeling in the gun community was that he would do the right thing. The Richmond Times wrote: "Miyares dodged a question asking for his position on universal background checks, limits on magazine capacity, and a ban on assault weapons." If Miyares honestly voted his conscious as a Delegate, he could end UBCs in the Commonwealth overnight. But that hope was lost when he started fighting hard to save UBCs. Same as his anti-gun AG predecessor leaving many to wonder if Miyares' pro-gun rhetoric in the House of Delegates was just a show to get votes. Virginians are left to wonder if he voted against UBCs because he knew they would pass no matter his vote. Today, Gun Owners of America launched an email campaign to get AG Miyares to fulfill his promises made as a member of the House of Delegates. The gun rights organization is asking Virginians to email the Attorney General's office and ask him to stand down on UBCs and uphold his oath not only to the U.S. Constitution but also to the Virginia Constitution. GOA added an easy-to-use form on its website. The group also included the AG's phone number for gun owners to call. The email reads: "Unfortunately, Attorney General Miyares is NOT WILLING to support our efforts and still insists on enforcing and defending the unconstitutional law passed by anti-gun zealots." GOA's Senior Vice President Erich Pratt also was disappointed that the AG is continuing to fight for gun control. He had hoped that Miyares would have back away from the failed actions of Herring. "It's disappointing that Jason Miyares plans to enforce legislation that was enacted by anti-gun Democrats specifically, a law that requires practically every transfer of a firearm to generate a background check and paperwork at a licensed gun dealer," Pratt told AmmoLand News. "This scheme has contributed to the massive database of gun owners that is being maintained by the ATF a registry that will only serve as a first step to gun confiscation. Miyares should be doing everything in his power to help the GOA-VCDL case succeed, rather than fighting in favor of gun control." Virginia gun owners are a powerful voting bloc leading many to wonder if Miyares is risking his political career by defending the law that many claim violates the Virginia and U.S. Constitution and might run afoul of the Supreme Court's Bruen decision since there are no historical analogs for background checks in 1791. Virginia AG spokesperson Victoria LaCivita provided this response to AmmoLand News' request for comment: "While I cannot comment on pending litigation, Attorney General Miyares is dedicated to protecting our GOD-given constitutional rights and ensuring they are not infringed upon." Bolded is simply not true. Va Gun owners are lazy, suburban Karen's have far more political power than Va Gun owners. Miyares knows that. |
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Quoted: @Papaw @Alnen123 The bigger issue, at least in my view, is that many online gun forums, especially the state specific ones which generate most of the face to face sales, will simply stop allowing the posting of sale ads all together. How do you continue to have private face to face sales when no one is willing to host the sale listings? I have no doubt that if the ATF creates a bogus rule against FTF sales, that many gun forums will simply remove their "for sale" sections or heavily modify them towards FFL transfer only. I hope I'm wrong about this. Thoughts? View Quote To that I would say that "life, uh... Finds a way." It would certainly scare away the faint of heart board management, but some will rearrange words and continue on. Whatever infringement is dreamt up in those 1300 pages, creative minds will figure out how to keep those forums alive. But that is a bandaid on this massive bleed that is the aft. SCOTUS told bureaucracies to cut it out with the EPA ruling, and all gun grabbers to fuck off with Bruen- not to mention that whole pesky second amendment thing. When the government goes rogue and seizes ultimate power over both it's equal parts and checks and balances and it's people, that is a coup. Remember the projection the left ALWAYS does in accusing the other side while doing that exact thing. They have been calling the 1/6 protest a coup and an insurrection while they have been simultaneously pulling off a coup and a insurrection. That's why I harp so hard on getting caught up on preparations and training in my book. You can't vote your way out of this and you can't protest it either. All those hundreds of thousands of opposition comments to the aft's bullshit rules they try and they DGAF. There is no redress of gov, protests are labeled coups and protestors insurrectionists. |
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New ATF Rule - New ATF Leak This guy says the 1300 pages is just the draft new rule & the comments that ATF has to respond to. This entire thread is a misunderstanding of the new Dealer rule, too late, and it doesn't quite ban private sales, but makes them much more difficult. This is all comes out of the "Safer Communities Act" of 2022, so for all of you that says Congress has to pass a law, they already did. This is the administrative rule comes out of the law. Here is the proposed rule - note we are past the comment period at this point: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/09/08/2023-19177/definition-of-engaged-in-the-business-as-a-dealer-in-firearms |
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READ MY LIPS! DON"T ASK, AND DON'T TELL *********Stop making public statements about what you will or won't do****
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Here's 3 threads urging ARFCOM to comment during the comment period last fall:
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Gun-Control-Advocates-Flood-Comments-Section-In-Support-Of-Proposed-ATF-Rule-To-Restrict-Gun-Sales/5-2690251/ https://www.ar15.com/forums/Hometown/New-ATF-rule-would-make-anyone-selling-a-firearm-a-dealer/32-670427/ https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Did-the-new-gun-show-dealer-rule-go-into-effect-already-/5-2679650/ Here's the "Bipartisan" (RINO sellouts) "Safer Communities" Act: https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/2938 Here's a liberal summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipartisan_Safer_Communities_Act |
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Quoted: How do you build a list? Make every transaction trackable. View Quote This is what is happening with UBC at the state level. Nevada recently instituted UBC -- no more private sales. You HAVE to go to a gun dealer with your buyer to fill out paperwork. I would guess a national UBC is how they are planning to do this. "No one is taking your gun rights away -- it's just a background check! Most americans want background checks! It's just common sense reform!" |
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Quoted: How can universal background check laws be enforced without 100% firearms registration? They can’t, so I guess we know what comes next… View Quote For the same reason they require the weapon's serial number on the 4473. How is weapon's SN necessary to determine whether the buyer is a prohibited person or not? It isn't. We ALL know why it is there. UBC *is* registration. Every weapon transfer will have a paper trail. That is, in fact and in every way, firearms registration. |
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Quoted: This is what is happening with UBC at the state level. Nevada recently instituted UBC -- no more private sales. You HAVE to go to a gun dealer with your buyer to fill out paperwork. I would guess a national UBC is how they are planning to do this. "No one is taking your gun rights away -- it's just a background check! Most americans want background checks! It's just common sense reform!" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: How do you build a list? Make every transaction trackable. This is what is happening with UBC at the state level. Nevada recently instituted UBC -- no more private sales. You HAVE to go to a gun dealer with your buyer to fill out paperwork. I would guess a national UBC is how they are planning to do this. "No one is taking your gun rights away -- it's just a background check! Most americans want background checks! It's just common sense reform!" Look up. Not a national UBC - just forcing nearly every private seller to get an FFL. |
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Quoted: I call BS, A 1300 page justification doc would spell instant failure as any legal challenges would then require a number of people to read the entire document. But hey, it's gotta be true if it's on the internet right? View Quote If you don't belive the FATF is doing everything they can to eliminate f2f sales you are crazy. |
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I just love this idea that a right whose genesis came from the need to reign in an unchecked government requires solicitation and permission from that same government at every step.
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?????? @EMPOWR_us has learned through whistleblowers within ATF that at the direction of the White House, ATF has drafted a 1,300 page document to justify a rule effectively banning the private sale of firearms. The whistleblowers say the rule is being drafted by Senior Policy Counsel Eric Epstein, who worked as the Phoenix Field Office's Division Counsel during Operation Wide Received (a precursor of Operation Fast and Furious). View Quote (miscellaneous crap not related to it cut) I'm curious as to how they'd actually execute it. If it's really 1,300 pages; they've put together serious thought into this, but... I just don't know. Perhaps it's being drafted to be held "in abeyance" awaiting the next mass shooting, for maximum effect? View Quote Purely punitive intended to only punish the law-abiding. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Can't have freedom flow freely now, can we. We must find a way to put a stop to people thinking they can exercise their God-given Constitutional rights. Always Trample Freedom Asshole Tyrants & Faggots Administrative Tyranny Force. |
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Quoted: Our lives are ruled and regulated by unelected bureaucrats. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: The only new laws should come from Congress Our lives are ruled and regulated by unelected bureaucrats. You guys both missed the Safer Communities Act of 2022 huh? The law did come from Congress, this is the administrative rule to enforce it. OP, may I suggest you change your title? ATF isn't supposedly working on a plan - they are IMPLEMENTING a plan to severely curtail private sales. |
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Quoted: They don't need it, they know it probably won't stick. But at this point they've realized that they can draft laws & policies funded by our tax dollars, force us to use our own dollars to fight it in court, defended in court by lawyers funded by our tax dollars. They have nothing to lose by doing this, and we have everything to lose. Weaponized government needs to be given actual consequences by the courts and congress before this will stop. View Quote That will literally never happen. The courts and congress on are the ATF's side. This ends with us losing. It's a long game, but they are playing it, and winning. |
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