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Posted: 12/20/2015 11:56:39 AM EST
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Given the attempted conspiracy between the officers to hide the shooting murdering officer's crime and their attempt to 'convince' the wounded driver at the scene that he had not been shot by one of their buddies, can you really trust that the victim here was in fact driving drunk? Why would you believe a police department that conducts themselves like this when they think nobody is looking? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am conflicted here because it was a bad shoot and the officer should face negligent homicide charges. On the other hand fuck drunk drivers. I have zero sympathy for anyone who drives drunk or high. My grandparents were killed by a POS drunk driver and most recently my 16 month old nephew was killed by a high driver. Given the attempted conspiracy between the officers to hide the shooting murdering officer's crime and their attempt to 'convince' the wounded driver at the scene that he had not been shot by one of their buddies, can you really trust that the victim here was in fact driving drunk? Why would you believe a police department that conducts themselves like this when they think nobody is looking? Now you are just reaching. The two geniuses high tailed it out of A BAR PARKING LOT late at night with no lights on going well above the posted speed limit. It doesn't taken a genius to figure out why they were trying to evade the cop camped in view OF THE BAR PARKING LOT. I already weighed in on my feelings on the cops actions. The shooting was pure negligence however I think he was fully within his rights to pull his firearm on a DUI suspect that looked like he was trying to flee from the scene. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 11:56:50 AM EST
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Given the attempted conspiracy between the officers to hide the shooting murdering officer's crime and their attempt to 'convince' the wounded driver at the scene that he had not been shot by one of their buddies, can you really trust that the victim here was in fact driving drunk? Why would you believe a police department that conducts themselves like this when they think nobody is looking? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am conflicted here because it was a bad shoot and the officer should face negligent homicide charges. On the other hand fuck drunk drivers. I have zero sympathy for anyone who drives drunk or high. My grandparents were killed by a POS drunk driver and most recently my 16 month old nephew was killed by a high driver. Given the attempted conspiracy between the officers to hide the shooting murdering officer's crime and their attempt to 'convince' the wounded driver at the scene that he had not been shot by one of their buddies, can you really trust that the victim here was in fact driving drunk? Why would you believe a police department that conducts themselves like this when they think nobody is looking? double tap |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 12:02:03 PM EST
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Now you are just reaching. The two geniuses high tailed it out of A BAR PARKING LOT late at night with no lights on going well above the posted speed limit. It doesn't taken a genius to figure out why they were trying to evade the cop camped in view OF THE BAR PARKING LOT. I already weighed in on my feelings on the cops actions. The shooting was pure negligence however I think he was fully within his rights to pull his firearm on a DUI suspect that looked like he was trying to flee from the scene. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am conflicted here because it was a bad shoot and the officer should face negligent homicide charges. On the other hand fuck drunk drivers. I have zero sympathy for anyone who drives drunk or high. My grandparents were killed by a POS drunk driver and most recently my 16 month old nephew was killed by a high driver. Given the attempted conspiracy between the officers to hide the shooting murdering officer's crime and their attempt to 'convince' the wounded driver at the scene that he had not been shot by one of their buddies, can you really trust that the victim here was in fact driving drunk? Why would you believe a police department that conducts themselves like this when they think nobody is looking? Now you are just reaching. The two geniuses high tailed it out of A BAR PARKING LOT late at night with no lights on going well above the posted speed limit. It doesn't taken a genius to figure out why they were trying to evade the cop camped in view OF THE BAR PARKING LOT. I already weighed in on my feelings on the cops actions. The shooting was pure negligence however I think he was fully within his rights to pull his firearm on a DUI suspect that looked like he was trying to flee from the scene. what if the DUI suspect did in fact flee? would the deputy be within his rights to shoot him? |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 12:06:02 PM EST
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Excellent. I was hoping he wouldn't pull through. He will get banned eventually. Watch |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 12:06:38 PM EST
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Now you are just reaching. The two geniuses high tailed it out of A BAR PARKING LOT late at night with no lights on going well above the posted speed limit. It doesn't taken a genius to figure out why they were trying to evade the cop camped in view OF THE BAR PARKING LOT. I already weighed in on my feelings on the cops actions. The shooting was pure negligence however I think he was fully within his rights to pull his firearm on a DUI suspect that looked like he was trying to flee from the scene. How does attempting to flee the scene and getting out of a vehicle that was just in an accident look different at the point that the officer shot him? |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 12:10:25 PM EST
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What would happen to a non-officer in this situation? |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 12:17:20 PM EST
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Now you are just reaching. The two geniuses high tailed it out of A BAR PARKING LOT late at night with no lights on going well above the posted speed limit. It doesn't taken a genius to figure out why they were trying to evade the cop camped in view OF THE BAR PARKING LOT. I already weighed in on my feelings on the cops actions. The shooting was pure negligence however I think he was fully within his rights to pull his firearm on a DUI suspect that looked like he was trying to flee from the scene. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am conflicted here because it was a bad shoot and the officer should face negligent homicide charges. On the other hand fuck drunk drivers. I have zero sympathy for anyone who drives drunk or high. My grandparents were killed by a POS drunk driver and most recently my 16 month old nephew was killed by a high driver. Given the attempted conspiracy between the officers to hide the shooting murdering officer's crime and their attempt to 'convince' the wounded driver at the scene that he had not been shot by one of their buddies, can you really trust that the victim here was in fact driving drunk? Why would you believe a police department that conducts themselves like this when they think nobody is looking? Now you are just reaching. The two geniuses high tailed it out of A BAR PARKING LOT late at night with no lights on going well above the posted speed limit. It doesn't taken a genius to figure out why they were trying to evade the cop camped in view OF THE BAR PARKING LOT. I already weighed in on my feelings on the cops actions. The shooting was pure negligence however I think he was fully within his rights to pull his firearm on a DUI suspect that looked like he was trying to flee from the scene. Was a breathalyzer or roadside sobriety test done to prove they were dui? Due process dude, look it up. Your butthurt feels don't outweigh due process. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:03:32 PM EST
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I am conflicted here because it was a bad shoot and the officer should face negligent homicide charges. On the other hand fuck drunk drivers. I have zero sympathy for anyone who drives drunk or high. My grandparents were killed by a POS drunk driver and most recently my 16 month old nephew was killed by a high driver. Given the attempted conspiracy between the officers to hide the shooting murdering officer's crime and their attempt to 'convince' the wounded driver at the scene that he had not been shot by one of their buddies, can you really trust that the victim here was in fact driving drunk? Why would you believe a police department that conducts themselves like this when they think nobody is looking? Now you are just reaching. The two geniuses high tailed it out of A BAR PARKING LOT late at night with no lights on going well above the posted speed limit. It doesn't taken a genius to figure out why they were trying to evade the cop camped in view OF THE BAR PARKING LOT. I already weighed in on my feelings on the cops actions. The shooting was pure negligence however I think he was fully within his rights to pull his firearm on a DUI suspect that looked like he was trying to flee from the scene. what if the DUI suspect did in fact flee? would the deputy be within his rights to shoot him? According to GD or the law? 
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:10:11 PM EST
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I don't understand why he was within his rights to draw his weapon on a man who had both hands exposed and, what appeared to me at least, to pose no threat.
What was he going to do? Crawl back in the car and run over the cop? What was the threat the cop responded to that he drew his weapon. Serious question. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:10:55 PM EST
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I guess all's well that ends well since the guy was going to be paralyzed and in prison or broke.
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:15:48 PM EST
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I don't understand why he was within his rights to draw his weapon on a man who had both hands exposed and, what appeared to me at least, to pose no threat. What was he going to do? Crawl back in the car and run over the cop? What was the threat the cop responded to that he drew his weapon. Serious question. Sylvan, you are way out of your lane here. You have never walked in the shoes of a man who is shot at/attacked on a weekly, if not daily basis. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:17:35 PM EST
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I guess all's well that ends well since the guy was going to be paralyzed and in prison or broke.
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:18:22 PM EST
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Was a breathalyzer or roadside sobriety test done to prove they were dui? Due process dude, look it up. Your butthurt feels don't outweigh due process. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am conflicted here because it was a bad shoot and the officer should face negligent homicide charges. On the other hand fuck drunk drivers. I have zero sympathy for anyone who drives drunk or high. My grandparents were killed by a POS drunk driver and most recently my 16 month old nephew was killed by a high driver. Given the attempted conspiracy between the officers to hide the shooting murdering officer's crime and their attempt to 'convince' the wounded driver at the scene that he had not been shot by one of their buddies, can you really trust that the victim here was in fact driving drunk? Why would you believe a police department that conducts themselves like this when they think nobody is looking? Now you are just reaching. The two geniuses high tailed it out of A BAR PARKING LOT late at night with no lights on going well above the posted speed limit. It doesn't taken a genius to figure out why they were trying to evade the cop camped in view OF THE BAR PARKING LOT. I already weighed in on my feelings on the cops actions. The shooting was pure negligence however I think he was fully within his rights to pull his firearm on a DUI suspect that looked like he was trying to flee from the scene. Was a breathalyzer or roadside sobriety test done to prove they were dui? Due process dude, look it up. Your butthurt feels don't outweigh due process. Thats not how a suspected DUI works. The probable cause was there. That's not even including the felony traffic violations that were broken up to the accident. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:19:54 PM EST
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I don't understand why he was within his rights to draw his weapon on a man who had both hands exposed and, what appeared to me at least, to pose no threat. What was he going to do? Crawl back in the car and run over the cop? What was the threat the cop responded to that he drew his weapon. Serious question. I am looking at it as the start of a felony stop so weapon out would be warranted. edit- just to be clear I think the shooting was negligence....but I do think weapon out was not completely unwarranted. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:22:29 PM EST
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The lying, murdering officer should spend the rest of his life behind bars. There is absolutely no excuse for what happened there. If you defend him or his actions there is something seriously wrong with you.
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:23:07 PM EST
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Sylvan, you are way out of your lane here. You have never walked in the shoes of a man who is shot at/attacked on a weekly, if not daily basis. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't understand why he was within his rights to draw his weapon on a man who had both hands exposed and, what appeared to me at least, to pose no threat. What was he going to do? Crawl back in the car and run over the cop? What was the threat the cop responded to that he drew his weapon. Serious question. Sylvan, you are way out of your lane here. You have never walked in the shoes of a man who is shot at/attacked on a weekly, if not daily basis. 
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:24:52 PM EST
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Thats not how a suspected DUI works. The probable cause was there. That's not even including the felony traffic violations that were broken up to the accident. Such as? |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:28:43 PM EST
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Sylvan, you are way out of your lane here. You have never walked in the shoes of a man who is shot at/attacked on a weekly, if not daily basis. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't understand why he was within his rights to draw his weapon on a man who had both hands exposed and, what appeared to me at least, to pose no threat. What was he going to do? Crawl back in the car and run over the cop? What was the threat the cop responded to that he drew his weapon. Serious question. Sylvan, you are way out of your lane here. You have never walked in the shoes of a man who is shot at/attacked on a weekly, if not daily basis. I have never shot an unarmed man who posed no threat to me, either. So save your appeal to authority and answer the fucking question. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:29:04 PM EST
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How does attempting to flee the scene and getting out of a vehicle that was just in an accident look different at the point that the officer shot him? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Now you are just reaching. The two geniuses high tailed it out of A BAR PARKING LOT late at night with no lights on going well above the posted speed limit. It doesn't taken a genius to figure out why they were trying to evade the cop camped in view OF THE BAR PARKING LOT. I already weighed in on my feelings on the cops actions. The shooting was pure negligence however I think he was fully within his rights to pull his firearm on a DUI suspect that looked like he was trying to flee from the scene. How does attempting to flee the scene and getting out of a vehicle that was just in an accident look different at the point that the officer shot him? Uggggg how many times do I need to make my opinion clear. THE SHOOTING WAS NEGLIGENT/ACCIDENTAL/NOT ON PURPOSE. RIGHT TO DRAW THE WEAPON IS THE ONLY THING I AM DEBATING. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:29:42 PM EST
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I have never shot an unarmed man who posed no threat to me, either. So save your appeal to authority and answer the fucking question. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't understand why he was within his rights to draw his weapon on a man who had both hands exposed and, what appeared to me at least, to pose no threat. What was he going to do? Crawl back in the car and run over the cop? What was the threat the cop responded to that he drew his weapon. Serious question. Sylvan, you are way out of your lane here. You have never walked in the shoes of a man who is shot at/attacked on a weekly, if not daily basis. I have never shot an unarmed man who posed no threat to me, either. So save your appeal to authority and answer the fucking question. I think he was making a joke and is trying to agree with you. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:30:34 PM EST
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I am looking at it as the start of a felony stop so weapon out would be warranted. edit- just to be clear I think the shooting was negligence....but I do think weapon out was not completely unwarranted. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't understand why he was within his rights to draw his weapon on a man who had both hands exposed and, what appeared to me at least, to pose no threat. What was he going to do? Crawl back in the car and run over the cop? What was the threat the cop responded to that he drew his weapon. Serious question. I am looking at it as the start of a felony stop so weapon out would be warranted. edit- just to be clear I think the shooting was negligence....but I do think weapon out was not completely unwarranted. What warranted the drawn weapon? The guy was just in a crazy accident. Both hands were exposed when the cop drew his weapon. Is the assumption that after any chase the driver is a risk to the officer's safety? |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:30:51 PM EST
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Sylvan, you are way out of your lane here. You have never walked in the shoes of a man who is shot at/attacked on a weekly, if not daily basis. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't understand why he was within his rights to draw his weapon on a man who had both hands exposed and, what appeared to me at least, to pose no threat. What was he going to do? Crawl back in the car and run over the cop? What was the threat the cop responded to that he drew his weapon. Serious question. Sylvan, you are way out of your lane here. You have never walked in the shoes of a man who is shot at/attacked on a weekly, if not daily basis. So, you know for certain that cop was attacked/shot at on a weekly basis? Answer truthfully. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:31:10 PM EST
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Uggggg how many times do I need to make my opinion clear. THE SHOOTING WAS NEGLIGENT/ACCIDENTAL/NOT ON PURPOSE. RIGHT TO DRAW THE WEAPON IS THE ONLY THING I AM DEBATING. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Now you are just reaching. The two geniuses high tailed it out of A BAR PARKING LOT late at night with no lights on going well above the posted speed limit. It doesn't taken a genius to figure out why they were trying to evade the cop camped in view OF THE BAR PARKING LOT. I already weighed in on my feelings on the cops actions. The shooting was pure negligence however I think he was fully within his rights to pull his firearm on a DUI suspect that looked like he was trying to flee from the scene. How does attempting to flee the scene and getting out of a vehicle that was just in an accident look different at the point that the officer shot him? Uggggg how many times do I need to make my opinion clear. THE SHOOTING WAS NEGLIGENT/ACCIDENTAL/NOT ON PURPOSE. RIGHT TO DRAW THE WEAPON IS THE ONLY THING I AM DEBATING. I understand. I'm just trying to dive into your statement that it looks like he was trying to flee. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:31:57 PM EST
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I think he was making a joke and is trying to agree with you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't understand why he was within his rights to draw his weapon on a man who had both hands exposed and, what appeared to me at least, to pose no threat. What was he going to do? Crawl back in the car and run over the cop? What was the threat the cop responded to that he drew his weapon. Serious question. Sylvan, you are way out of your lane here. You have never walked in the shoes of a man who is shot at/attacked on a weekly, if not daily basis. I have never shot an unarmed man who posed no threat to me, either. So save your appeal to authority and answer the fucking question. I think he was making a joke and is trying to agree with you. The problem with sarcasm when its well done is its easily confused for abject stupidity. I am guilty of both giving and receiving so if I misconstrued, my apologies. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:34:04 PM EST
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Such as? Reckless endangerment, destruction of property, leaving the scene of an accident, eluding law enforcement, vehicular manslaughter. Obviously it isn't official until sentencing in court but the officer did have probable cause to conduct a felony stop. We can argue until we are blue in the face but obviously the DA came to the same conclusion. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:35:21 PM EST
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] What warranted the drawn weapon? The guy was just in a crazy accident. Both hands were exposed when the cop drew his weapon. Is the assumption that after any chase the driver is a risk to the officer's safety? I also think its a bit of a stretch to call this a chase. The officer had crested the hill with his lights on only seconds before the accident. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:36:16 PM EST
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Reckless endangerment, destruction of property, leaving the scene of an accident, eluding law enforcement, vehicular manslaughter. Obviously it isn't official until sentencing in court but the officer did have probable cause to conduct a felony stop. We can argue until we are blue in the face but obviously the DA came to the same conclusion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Such as? Reckless endangerment, destruction of property, leaving the scene of an accident, eluding law enforcement, vehicular manslaughter. Obviously it isn't official until sentencing in court but the officer did have probable cause to conduct a felony stop. We can argue until we are blue in the face but obviously the DA came to the same conclusion. Two of these could not have been known to the officer at the time. So explain the felony stop. If the individual has committed a felony or is wanted for a felony charge, you should draw your weapon? |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:38:47 PM EST
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What warranted the drawn weapon? The guy was just in a crazy accident. Both hands were exposed when the cop drew his weapon. Is the assumption that after any chase the driver is a risk to the officer's safety? The actions of the driver prior to the accident would warrant the drawn weapon. Just to reiterate...I think the Officer fucked up big time and should be fired, but I don't think it is insane that his weapon was drawn. What I said to another post: "Reckless endangerment, destruction of property, leaving the scene of an accident, eluding law enforcement, vehicular manslaughter. Obviously it isn't official until sentencing in court but the officer did have probable cause to conduct a felony stop (in my opinion)." |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:39:07 PM EST
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Reckless endangerment, destruction of property, leaving the scene of an accident, eluding law enforcement, vehicular manslaughter. Obviously it isn't official until sentencing in court but the officer did have probable cause to conduct a felony stop. We can argue until we are blue in the face but obviously the DA came to the same conclusion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Such as? Reckless endangerment, destruction of property, leaving the scene of an accident, eluding law enforcement, vehicular manslaughter. Obviously it isn't official until sentencing in court but the officer did have probable cause to conduct a felony stop. We can argue until we are blue in the face but obviously the DA came to the same conclusion. Destruction of property: please clarify Eluding: he eluded for the couple of seconds that the officer was in line of sight with his lights on? Leaving the scene: for trying to climb out of the accident vehicle?
Manslaughter: not known to the officer at the time Reckless endangerment: is this actually a felony? |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:42:42 PM EST
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what if the DUI suspect did in fact flee? would the deputy be within his rights to shoot him? He is a violent, fleeing felon, due to the pursuit, however: he is not armed anymore as the car is disabled. It would be a stretch to try to justify shooting him under Tennessee v. Garner. Unless the cop had specific knowledge he was armed and posed an immediate danger to the public, I don't see it. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:46:26 PM EST
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I hope he finds his brass so they can try to say the driver was shot at the bar, what a worthless piece of shit.
when negligence causes a man to lose his life a crime was committed and he should be arrested and face the music. was he in fear for his life because a dwi suspect tried to exit a wrecked car that was over turned? Karma will get this one for sure. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:47:00 PM EST
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I don't understand why he was within his rights to draw his weapon on a man who had both hands exposed and, what appeared to me at least, to pose no threat. What was he going to do? Crawl back in the car and run over the cop? What was the threat the cop responded to that he drew his weapon. Serious question. Violent, fleeing felon that has not been searched for weapons means you justify taking him out of the car and hold him at gunpoint until backup arrives and you can cuff him and search. Shooting him the neck? Kind of harder to explain away... We teach a low-ready with the weapon not covering ANY part of the suspect's body for a number of reasons. I don't know how "Officer of the Year" was trained. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:50:10 PM EST
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I also think its a bit of a stretch to call this a chase. The officer had crested the hill with his lights on only seconds before the accident. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:50:16 PM EST
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Two of these could not have been known to the officer at the time. So explain the felony stop. If the individual has committed a felony or is wanted for a felony charge, you should draw your weapon? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Such as? Reckless endangerment, destruction of property, leaving the scene of an accident, eluding law enforcement, vehicular manslaughter. Obviously it isn't official until sentencing in court but the officer did have probable cause to conduct a felony stop. We can argue until we are blue in the face but obviously the DA came to the same conclusion. Two of these could not have been known to the officer at the time. So explain the felony stop. If the individual has committed a felony or is wanted for a felony charge, you should draw your weapon? The entire job of a LEO is to make those snap judgements on unknowns at the time. I am just looking at it from what he most likely saw.... -Sitting in your patrol car watching a bar parking lot. -Vehicle tears out of the lot with no lights on and speeds away -You call it in, hit the lights, and start the chase -You crest a hill and see the car hit something and flip -You pull up and see a body on the road -You get out of the car and being to approach the car. -Male occupant begins to quickly (in my opinion) try to get out of the car. I would think that the parts in red would be enough to support the officers decision to draw his weapon based on a logical conclusion that the DUI suspect was trying to evade arrest. I only say that because all the officer has to do is articulate WHY he felt the need to draw his gun. The DA already decided shooting was not warranted but drawing a gun was. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:51:23 PM EST
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He is a violent, fleeing felon, due to the pursuit, however: he is not armed anymore as the car is disabled. It would be a stretch to try to justify shooting him under Tennessee v. Garner. Unless the cop had specific knowledge he was armed and posed an immediate danger to the public, I don't see it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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what if the DUI suspect did in fact flee? would the deputy be within his rights to shoot him? He is a violent, fleeing felon, due to the pursuit, however: he is not armed anymore as the car is disabled. It would be a stretch to try to justify shooting him under Tennessee v. Garner. Unless the cop had specific knowledge he was armed and posed an immediate danger to the public, I don't see it. No one is trying to justify the shooting. Only the drawing of a weapon. I don't think anyone posting in this thread thinks the shooting was justified. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:53:39 PM EST
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According to case law, it's a pursuit, and pursuits that are high speed and reckless are violent crimes, also according to case law. In CA, if a suspect looks over and sees me in a marked unit and then guns it, I'm filling out a CHP 187A form for a pursuit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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] What warranted the drawn weapon? The guy was just in a crazy accident. Both hands were exposed when the cop drew his weapon. Is the assumption that after any chase the driver is a risk to the officer's safety? I also think its a bit of a stretch to call this a chase. The officer had crested the hill with his lights on only seconds before the accident. According to case law, it's a pursuit, and pursuits that are high speed and reckless are violent crimes, also according to case law. In CA, if a suspect looks over and sees me in a marked unit and then guns it, I'm filling out a CHP 187A form for a pursuit. What is the point in the video that would you say it became a pursuit? |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 1:59:07 PM EST
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-cop shoots unarmed man TWICE that posed no threat
-cop calls in incident and mentions nothing about shooting the guy, and instead tell dispatcher man refuses to exit the vehicle -cop proceeds to look for his empty cases -officer #2 arrives and cop #1 mentions nothing about shooting the guy -Man tells officer #2 he was shot by the cop. Cop #2 tells man he's full of shit that cop #1 shot him. Cop #1 still says nothing about shooting the man and keeps with the story until the video ends that the man refuses to get out of the car. Holy Fuck! How could anyone in their right mind claim that cop #1 wasn't acting in a criminal nature? If the DA cleared the cop, the DA is a criminal and they both should be put in prison for the rest of their lives. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 2:02:48 PM EST
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Destruction of property: please clarify Eluding: he eluded for the couple of seconds that the officer was in line of sight with his lights on? Leaving the scene: for trying to climb out of the accident vehicle?
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Such as? Reckless endangerment, destruction of property, leaving the scene of an accident, eluding law enforcement, vehicular manslaughter. Obviously it isn't official until sentencing in court but the officer did have probable cause to conduct a felony stop. We can argue until we are blue in the face but obviously the DA came to the same conclusion. Destruction of property: please clarify Eluding: he eluded for the couple of seconds that the officer was in line of sight with his lights on? Leaving the scene: for trying to climb out of the accident vehicle?
Manslaughter: not known to the officer at the time Reckless endangerment: is this actually a felony? What more clarification would you need for destruction of property? He plowed into a median in the middle of the road. Those flashing lights are bright as fuck...especially at night. He had a couple seconds before he crested the hill, and a couple after to see them. Combine that with the fact that he tore out of a bar parking lot with no lights and put two and two together. It isn't unreasonable after all of that to assume he was climbing out to try to escape. Not justifiable to shoot him for it....but weapon out isn't all that much of a stretch in this situation. Did the officer say any verbal commands during the whole thing? |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 2:10:30 PM EST
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I came here to defend the cop, but holy fuck.  Same... but that's pretty tough to defend. It does seem pretty obvious it was an accident, but I've heard/read many stories of fathers, mothers, etc. being charged when an "unloaded gun" fires and kills some child in the next room. My guess is, this Prosecutor's desire to pursue charges here are directly related to how drunk this dude was, and how his actions had already lead to another person dying. Not saying it's right, but it is what it is. Cop should be fired, there's going to be a huge civil suit against the PD (and they'll win easily), once that is settled, there's going to be a huge suit between the deceased passenger's family (this will take hating your in laws to the next level), and the family of the guy shot. I don't have a lot of sympathy for the guy shot... driving that drunk, speeding, endangering lots of other people on the road, killing your wife due to your own stupidity.... Sucks to be him. The cop should be fired and shouldn't even be allowed to be armed while guarding a junkyard. I have a far bigger issue with what appears to be the cop thinking he could cover it up, than anything else. That should result in charges. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 2:17:33 PM EST
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Wow, he just walked up and executed the guy. No weapons and no threat to the officer. It's amazing you can kill someone on tape for no reason and get away Scott free. Who are you referring to as "you"? I can't do that and expect the outcome the good officer got. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 2:19:42 PM EST
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I am conflicted here because it was a bad shoot and the officer should face negligent homicide charges. On the other hand fuck drunk drivers. Yep. Fuck the Rule of Law. Feels Uber Alles |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 2:21:18 PM EST
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He will get banned eventually. Watch Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Excellent. I was hoping he wouldn't pull through. He will get banned eventually. Watch Why would you think that? |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 2:24:39 PM EST
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The mental gymnastics by some folks here to absolve this dildo of any responsibility of our and out murder is right up there with the ATFs to ban machine guns.
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Posted: 12/20/2015 2:28:00 PM EST
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What more clarification would you need for destruction of property? He plowed into a median in the middle of the road. Those flashing lights are bright as fuck...especially at night. He had a couple seconds before he crested the hill, and a couple after to see them. Combine that with the fact that he tore out of a bar parking lot with no lights and put two and two together. It isn't unreasonable after all of that to assume he was climbing out to try to escape. Not justifiable to shoot him for it....but weapon out isn't all that much of a stretch in this situation. Did the officer say any verbal commands during the whole thing? I just wanted to make sure you didn't somehow have an answer that wasnt ridiculous. As best I can tell destruction of property requires malice. Do you honestly believe that he hit that median in an attempt to maliciously damage it? I am putting two and two together. It appesrs to my resding that in your opinion seeing flashing lights for four seconds a long distance in the rear view is felony evading. Finally is it also reasonable for a person to attempt to self extricate from a vehicle that was just in a rollover accident? ETA: I his rewatched the video and it didn't record any audio from the officer. We'll just have to take him at his word, he seems a pretty believable guy that the courts defer to. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 2:31:12 PM EST
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Karma will get this one for sure. Unless you are referring to him retaining the position that has bestowed upon him the massive gut resulting in death at some point, I really doubt karma will ever affect him. In fact, this could very well be a boon to LE nationwide if it is the start to removing another limitation on their actions. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 2:31:38 PM EST
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The DA is a POS lying scumbag, and an idiot. If the officer was in shock and didn't realize he fired his gun as the DA stated, then why did the cop look for his empty cases throughout the whole video?
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/outrage-police-shooting-drunk-driver-paradise-california-officer-patrick-feaster/ Prosecutors called the shooting an accident, saying Feaster "did not intentionally fire his pistol" and that "he was in shock at the scene and not certain his weapon had actually discharged." But they have no explanation for why it took Feaster 11 minutes to report that he had fired his gun. "The 11 minutes waiting to notify is awful. Regardless, can we prove a case of intentional discharge of that weapon beyond a reasonable doubt? We could not," District Attorney Mike Ramsey said. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 2:36:00 PM EST
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I don't understand why he was within his rights to draw his weapon on a man who had both hands exposed and, what appeared to me at least, to pose no threat. What was he going to do? Crawl back in the car and run over the cop? What was the threat the cop responded to that he drew his weapon. Serious question. Maybe draw a concealed IWB pistol after propping himself up on top of the vehicle. The guy could have been just out of prison, with the "I ain't never going back..." mentality. Can't ever predict what a crazy drunk person is going to do. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 2:44:59 PM EST
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The DA is a POS lying scumbag, and an idiot. How is he an idiot? He has done nothing that will damage him in any way. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 2:45:56 PM EST
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Maybe draw a concealed IWB pistol after propping himself up on top of the vehicle. The guy could have been just out of prison, with the "I ain't never going back..." mentality. Can't ever predict what a crazy drunk person is going to do. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't understand why he was within his rights to draw his weapon on a man who had both hands exposed and, what appeared to me at least, to pose no threat. What was he going to do? Crawl back in the car and run over the cop? What was the threat the cop responded to that he drew his weapon. Serious question. Maybe draw a concealed IWB pistol after propping himself up on top of the vehicle. The guy could have been just out of prison, with the "I ain't never going back..." mentality. Can't ever predict what a crazy drunk person is going to do. by that reasoning a cop should always draw his weapon before any interaction with the public. |
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Posted: 12/20/2015 2:46:22 PM EST
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Maybe draw a concealed IWB pistol after propping himself up on top of the vehicle. The guy could have been just out of prison, with the "I ain't never going back..." mentality. Can't ever predict what a crazy drunk person is going to do. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't understand why he was within his rights to draw his weapon on a man who had both hands exposed and, what appeared to me at least, to pose no threat. What was he going to do? Crawl back in the car and run over the cop? What was the threat the cop responded to that he drew his weapon. Serious question. Maybe draw a concealed IWB pistol after propping himself up on top of the vehicle. The guy could have been just out of prison, with the "I ain't never going back..." mentality. Can't ever predict what a crazy drunk person is going to do. So the officer knew he was just out of prison with the "I ain't never going back..." mentality.? |
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