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Posted: 7/13/2023 7:26:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP is not wrong. And yet the leftists rated this thread “troll”. 
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Posted: 7/13/2023 7:29:22 AM EDT
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I've read the entire thread. I think what is being said is that the political parties have flipped and the Democrats actually freed the slaves and the Republicans started the kkk.
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Posted: 7/13/2023 7:32:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To an extent. They stole from the people who wouldn't go along with the revolution, even those who just tried to stay out of it. It's not shocking that this happened, it's shocking that we didn't wind up going full on french revolution and destroy everything. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The only difference between the US Revolution and the rest was the US Revolution still protected the idea of private property ownership. To an extent. They stole from the people who wouldn't go along with the revolution, even those who just tried to stay out of it. It's not shocking that this happened, it's shocking that we didn't wind up going full on french revolution and destroy everything. More accurately, that the Reign of Terror didn't follow on quickly. One might argue that the Civil War was a fizzled ROT (hundreds of thousands dead, billions in treasure and resources destroyed...some fizzle) but it looks from here that it may finally happen in earnest. Watch THE FORBIN PROJECT for how Colossus makes the point for his rule. A true ROT... and one I did not put past Ears, nor do I put past the handlers of Biden to do. Some small town with cameras at one, five, ten and twenty miles from the city center... where a van has been parked... and the twenty mile camera shows the rising mushroom cloud. With a fade to the Seal of the President. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 7:38:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You may not have noticed this, but some words change meaning over time. If they didn’t, I would say you were very nice. Only when you play by Leftist rules... otherwise, words mean things... generally not what some leftist tells you that they mean. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 7:39:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe part of his cowardice in not accepting the responsibility of monarchy was his lack of legitimate heirs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The descendants of King George (Washington) the First. I believe part of his cowardice in not accepting the responsibility of monarchy was his lack of legitimate heirs. A noble sentiment, but we've had plenty of bastards ruining this country. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 7:55:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We did? I'm pretty sure democracy and republics are European inventions. Do we not live in a republic? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hey jackass, we cast off the euro model of politics when we kicked the British out. We did? I'm pretty sure democracy and republics are European inventions. Do we not live in a republic? I mean the Roman republic existed from like 500BC up until the battle of Actium |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 7:58:54 AM EDT
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What if you were even more right wing like Stephen from Braveheart and only speak directly to God and take people's soup whenever you wanted
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Posted: 7/13/2023 8:15:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What if you were even more right wing like Stephen from Braveheart and only speak directly to God and take people's soup whenever you wanted Left or right, you cant trust the Irish. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 8:17:30 AM EDT
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RustedAce 2024
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Posted: 7/13/2023 8:20:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Revolutions (by the people) are Protidemocracy and communist be definition. Enlightenment philosophy is the foundation of communism. Taken to its extreme, liberté, égalité, fraternité led directly to a proto-communist movement in Revolutionary France. Many of the French contributors to Enlightenment, especially Rousseau, were socialists. Marx was influenced by them and spent time in Paris in a commune. We saw three revolutions in the Enlightenment Era - Glorious Revolution (England), American Revolution and French Revolution. Each one progressing further into the depths of Enlightenment. Like it or not, our Constitution has the same source as Socialism. Historical fact. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 8:35:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a very European attitude. American conservatism seeks to conserve liberal principles (as in principles of liberty). It seems radical and leftist to shitty inbred monarchs who care more about keeping it all in the family than unleashing the boundless productivity of a free people. Fun thread, though. From a global perspective free speech, freedom of association and other civil rights are liberal ideas. From our current political perspective only conservatives are seeking to preserve these civil rights. OUR left is trying to make mis-gendering someone a crime, like in Canadia. In Germany denying the holocaust will get you charged with a crime. Leftism/progressivism has gone far beyond being liberal and circled back into authoritarianism. More like a monarchy than not. The issue is simple, in the contest of ideas you have to be different than your competitor in order to carve off a group of voters. Conservatives have the whole constitution thing locked down. The other side needs to create a space to compete, so they take the opposing view. The rest is just marketing and outrage porn, trying to differentiate themselves from the competition. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 8:42:32 AM EDT
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Imagine living in a society with one of the highest rates of suicide and still thinking people can create their own values, and that Liberty is the highest aspiration.
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Posted: 7/13/2023 8:45:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @PeepEater, there is a legal theory of unconstitutional constitutional amendments. It has been argued that the Fifth Amendment would in theory prevent such a thing from happening. A number of the founders feared outright popular sovereignty and established our system of government to a degree to be modeled after that of a monarchical state of the United Kingdom for the express purpose of making sure that mob rule doesn't take hold. Even the founders, in their attempt to overthrow the monarchy, understood that the powers of the monarchy over the commoners was needed. They were proven right with seeing the end results of outright popular sovereignty in France. Laughs in direct election of senators, income tax and Prohibition. The poors run the country and the Constitution is just the tool they use to do it. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 8:53:16 AM EDT
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Info on who is what and where they came from.
https://mises.org/library/betrayal-american-right-0 |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 8:57:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: “Left bad, I no left, I good, I conservative, conservative good, not left, left bad.” That’s about the extent of it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Something tells me 99% of gd’s beliefs are what they’re told to believe. “Left bad, I no left, I good, I conservative, conservative good, not left, left bad.” That’s about the extent of it. Sounds like a gateway pundit article. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 8:59:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine living in a society with one of the highest rates of suicide and still thinking people can create their own values, and that Liberty is the highest aspiration. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 9:10:24 AM EDT
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Up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, start.
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Posted: 7/13/2023 9:19:04 AM EDT
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 POLITICAL SYSTEMS 101: Basic Forms of Government Explained |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 9:29:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And yet the leftists rated this thread “troll”. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: OP is not wrong. And yet the leftists rated this thread “troll”. In the same spirit of this thread using actual definitions of things it is definitely trolling. In this case I think it is provoking a healthy discussion and hopefully making a few people think for a few minutes. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 9:34:02 AM EDT
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I'm forming a pro-reunification/anti-parliamentarian political party that will aim at reunifying the US with the UK while aiming to overthrow parliament and re-installing a royal family - just not the current royal family. The House of Windsor shall not stand, and together, a re-unified Pan-Atlantic Anglo force will re-establish global empire via space-based supremacy.
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Posted: 7/13/2023 9:35:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Info on who is what and where they came from. https://mises.org/library/betrayal-american-right-0 “Old Right” Lol ok leftists. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 9:41:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Enlightenment philosophy is the foundation of communism. Taken to its extreme, liberté, égalité, fraternité led directly to a proto-communist movement in Revolutionary France. Many of the French contributors to Enlightenment, especially Rousseau, were socialists. Marx was influenced by them and spent time in Paris in a commune. We saw three revolutions in the Enlightenment Era - Glorious Revolution (England), American Revolution and French Revolution. Each one progressing further into the depths of Enlightenment. Like it or not, our Constitution has the same source as Socialism. Historical fact. Yep. The enlightenment was a mistake and has destroyed the west. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 9:42:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody said liberty was free of consequence. Just that's preferable to the alternative. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Imagine living in a society with one of the highest rates of suicide and still thinking people can create their own values, and that Liberty is the highest aspiration. Obviously a large group of people don’t find it preferable, hence why they are either depressed, on a cocktail slew of medications, or actively killing themselves. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 9:49:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Obviously a large group of people don’t find it preferable, hence why they are either depressed, on a cocktail slew of medications, or actively killing themselves. The leftist ideas have given us freedom. Freedom from purpose. Freedom from meaning. Freedom from the will to live. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 10:16:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The leftist ideas have given us freedom. Freedom from purpose. Freedom from meaning. Freedom from the will to live. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Obviously a large group of people don’t find it preferable, hence why they are either depressed, on a cocktail slew of medications, or actively killing themselves. The leftist ideas have given us freedom. Freedom from purpose. Freedom from meaning. Freedom from the will to live. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_from_Freedom |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 10:16:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. The enlightenment was a mistake and has destroyed the west. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Enlightenment philosophy is the foundation of communism. Taken to its extreme, liberté, égalité, fraternité led directly to a proto-communist movement in Revolutionary France. Many of the French contributors to Enlightenment, especially Rousseau, were socialists. Marx was influenced by them and spent time in Paris in a commune. We saw three revolutions in the Enlightenment Era - Glorious Revolution (England), American Revolution and French Revolution. Each one progressing further into the depths of Enlightenment. Like it or not, our Constitution has the same source as Socialism. Historical fact. Yep. The enlightenment was a mistake and has destroyed the west.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 10:45:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryIt’s amazing the level of propaganda that has been gulped up just accepting the enlightenment as the greatest thing ever. So much so that there are people in here defending abject far left nonsense as “right wing conservatism”. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 10:45:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I used to be a leftist. Some things happened. My naivety was stripped away by the trauma of this leftist system's moral lawlessness. Now I understand that we must escape the monstrosity that is global leftist homogenization. Some would say there is no place to escape too, this was the last stand on Earth. Well, Reagan said that. Reagan is a hero to men who think civilization is measured by GDP, and whose grand kids are too busy trooning out on Tik Tok to carry on the family business. We will have to make an unprecedented pilgrimage. Where shall we go, you ask? Isn't it obvious? Space. We are going to have to move into space. We have the technology to build colonies. We must have the will to do so. One man alive today has the vision to physically get us there. We don't have the will yet. Right now, too many people's souls are chained by earth's gravity. The vision will become reality one day, or humanity won't survive the cancer of democracy. Unequivocally based. The future belongs to those not pulled down by earths gravity! Sieg Zeon!!! |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 10:49:16 AM EDT
[#29]
To save everyone time:
OP: Divine rule of kings is "right wing", everything else if left wing. Of course the left/right metaphor started with where different factions in the revolutionary French assembly physically sat. Every one of them was a revolutionary of some sort. Noting further "right" than constitutional monarchists, folkowed by republicans, so royalists were not even on the scale. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 11:27:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unequivocally based. The future belongs to those not pulled down by earths gravity! Sieg Zeon!!! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I used to be a leftist. Some things happened. My naivety was stripped away by the trauma of this leftist system's moral lawlessness. Now I understand that we must escape the monstrosity that is global leftist homogenization. Some would say there is no place to escape too, this was the last stand on Earth. Well, Reagan said that. Reagan is a hero to men who think civilization is measured by GDP, and whose grand kids are too busy trooning out on Tik Tok to carry on the family business. We will have to make an unprecedented pilgrimage. Where shall we go, you ask? Isn't it obvious? Space. We are going to have to move into space. We have the technology to build colonies. We must have the will to do so. One man alive today has the vision to physically get us there. We don't have the will yet. Right now, too many people's souls are chained by earth's gravity. The vision will become reality one day, or humanity won't survive the cancer of democracy. Unequivocally based. The future belongs to those not pulled down by earths gravity! Sieg Zeon!!! Principality of Zeon was sweet. Republic of Zeon was a crappy puppet of The Earth Federation. Even future knows monarchy better. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 11:29:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Principality of Zeon was sweet. Republic of Zeon was a crappy puppet of Th Earth Federation. Even future knows monarchy better. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I used to be a leftist. Some things happened. My naivety was stripped away by the trauma of this leftist system's moral lawlessness. Now I understand that we must escape the monstrosity that is global leftist homogenization. Some would say there is no place to escape too, this was the last stand on Earth. Well, Reagan said that. Reagan is a hero to men who think civilization is measured by GDP, and whose grand kids are too busy trooning out on Tik Tok to carry on the family business. We will have to make an unprecedented pilgrimage. Where shall we go, you ask? Isn't it obvious? Space. We are going to have to move into space. We have the technology to build colonies. We must have the will to do so. One man alive today has the vision to physically get us there. We don't have the will yet. Right now, too many people's souls are chained by earth's gravity. The vision will become reality one day, or humanity won't survive the cancer of democracy. Unequivocally based. The future belongs to those not pulled down by earths gravity! Sieg Zeon!!! Principality of Zeon was sweet. Republic of Zeon was a crappy puppet of Th Earth Federation. Even future knows monarchy better. I just want to drop a space colony on some feddie scum. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 12:00:02 PM EDT
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Arfcom GD 2008: Oh no, if Obama is elected, the United States is dead.
 Arfcom DG 2012: Oh no, if Obama is re-elected, the United States is dead. Arfcom GD 2016: Oh, no, if Hillary is elected, the United States is dead. Arfcom GD 2020: Oh no, if Biden is elected, the United States is dead. RustedAce: Hey guys, maybe the system that gives us rulers like this (and all the assholes in Congress) is a BAD system, and a more established and conservative system would be better. Afrcom GD: Grrrr. How dare you!! (literally shaking) Muh democracy and muh voting!! Burn the witch! 
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Posted: 7/13/2023 12:07:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Arfcom GD 2008: Oh no, if Obama is elected, the United States is dead. Arfcom DG 2012: Oh no, if Obama is re-elected, the United States is dead. Arfcom GD 2016: Oh, no, if Hillary is elected, the United States is dead. Arfcom GD 2020: Oh no, if Biden is elected, the United States is dead. RustedAce: Hey guys, maybe the system that gives us rulers like this (and all the assholes in Congress) is a BAD system, and a more established and conservative system would be better. Afrcom GD: Grrrr. How dare you!! (literally shaking) Muh democracy and muh voting!! Burn the witch! “At least I don’t kneel to no man! BRB gotta mail 75% of my income to a faceless bureaucrat so they can spend it on harming my children’s future. I’m a conservative!” |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 12:10:08 PM EDT
[#34]
I kind of do want a return to divine right monarchy. I'm waiting for some watery tart to lob some cutlery at someone though
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Posted: 7/13/2023 12:13:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "At least I don't kneel to no man! BRB gotta mail 75% of my income to a faceless bureaucrat so they can spend it on harming my children's future. I'm a conservative!" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Arfcom GD 2008: Oh no, if Obama is elected, the United States is dead. Arfcom DG 2012: Oh no, if Obama is re-elected, the United States is dead. Arfcom GD 2016: Oh, no, if Hillary is elected, the United States is dead. Arfcom GD 2020: Oh no, if Biden is elected, the United States is dead. RustedAce: Hey guys, maybe the system that gives us rulers like this (and all the assholes in Congress) is a BAD system, and a more established and conservative system would be better. Afrcom GD: Grrrr. How dare you!! (literally shaking) Muh democracy and muh voting!! Burn the witch! "At least I don't kneel to no man! BRB gotta mail 75% of my income to a faceless bureaucrat so they can spend it on harming my children's future. I'm a conservative!"  "Those slimy cock suckered don't fucking listen to me! Look at the shit they passed! Why do we have shitbags like this in office!" |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 12:13:54 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I kind of do want a return to divine right monarchy. I'm waiting for some watery tart to lob some cutlery at someone though |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 12:16:51 PM EDT
[#37]
I don't care about labels, just leave me alone.
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Posted: 7/13/2023 12:19:44 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s amazing the level of propaganda that has been gulped up just accepting the enlightenment as the greatest thing ever. So much so that there are people in here defending abject far left nonsense as “right wing conservatism”.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 12:20:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't care about labels, just leave me alone. You may not be interested in labels, but the people who label things are interested in you. Only the dead are left alone. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 12:22:19 PM EDT
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Quoted:The Constitution is by its very nature a very very very leftist document. Maybe your copy but mine is silent on the vast majority of bigger federal government mandates. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 12:23:30 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine living in a society with one of the highest rates of suicide and still thinking people can create their own values, and that Liberty is the highest aspiration. There is a vast, vast difference between believing that liberty is the highest political/governmental aspiration, and the belief that it is or should be the highest personal aspiration. We have certainly killed off a large part of societal norms that kept political liberty tempered with duty though. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 12:25:20 PM EDT
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Quoted: American Conservatism purportedly "conserves" The Constitution. that's dumb. "conservative" means conservative use of power by the government. meaning less. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 12:27:05 PM EDT
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Quoted: There is a vast, vast difference between believing that liberty is the highest political/governmental aspiration, and the belief that it is or should be the highest personal aspiration. We have certainly killed off a large part of societal norms that kept political liberty tempered with duty though. Shouldn't there be an alignment between personal aspirations and the greater aspirations of the society? Quoted: that's dumb. "conservative" means conservative use of power by the government. meaning less.  Typical leftist. Taking something that has historical context, manipulating it, and changing the definition. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 12:29:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You may not be interested in labels, but the people who label things are interested in you. Only the dead are left alone. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't care about labels, just leave me alone. You may not be interested in labels, but the people who label things are interested in you. Only the dead are left alone. It’s a desire, not an expectation. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 12:32:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Enlightenment philosophy is the foundation of communism. Taken to its extreme, liberté, égalité, fraternité led directly to a proto-communist movement in Revolutionary France. Many of the French contributors to Enlightenment, especially Rousseau, were socialists. Marx was influenced by them and spent time in Paris in a commune. We saw three revolutions in the Enlightenment Era - Glorious Revolution (England), American Revolution and French Revolution. Each one progressing further into the depths of Enlightenment. Like it or not, our Constitution has the same source as Socialism. Historical fact. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Revolutions (by the people) are Protidemocracy and communist be definition. Enlightenment philosophy is the foundation of communism. Taken to its extreme, liberté, égalité, fraternité led directly to a proto-communist movement in Revolutionary France. Many of the French contributors to Enlightenment, especially Rousseau, were socialists. Marx was influenced by them and spent time in Paris in a commune. We saw three revolutions in the Enlightenment Era - Glorious Revolution (England), American Revolution and French Revolution. Each one progressing further into the depths of Enlightenment. Like it or not, our Constitution has the same source as Socialism. Historical fact. Came here to post this, although it would not have been nearly as articulate. Well said. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 12:35:48 PM EDT
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This is a good opportunity for some folks here to evaluate WHY they think the way they do.
Challenge WHY a monarchy is good/bad and WHY the constitution is a supposedly "conservative document" because it most certainly is not. Otherwise you have a massive blind spot that can be used against you. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 12:45:02 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Obviously a large group of people don't find it preferable, hence why they are either depressed, on a cocktail slew of medications, or actively killing themselves. I'll take freedom to make decisions over mass systematic democide any day. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 12:49:11 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Arfcom GD 2008: Oh no, if Obama is elected, the United States is dead. Arfcom DG 2012: Oh no, if Obama is re-elected, the United States is dead. Arfcom GD 2016: Oh, no, if Hillary is elected, the United States is dead. Arfcom GD 2020: Oh no, if Biden is elected, the United States is dead. RustedAce: Hey guys, maybe the system that gives us rulers like this (and all the assholes in Congress) is a BAD system, and a more established and conservative system would be better. Afrcom GD: Grrrr. How dare you!! (literally shaking) Muh democracy and muh voting!! Burn the witch! People will always seek power and play whatever game is required to achieve it. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 12:56:58 PM EDT
[#49]
Classical Assonance. Not the literary kind.
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Posted: 7/13/2023 1:11:49 PM EDT
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Quoted: American Conservatism purportedly "conserves" The Constitution. The Constitution is by its very nature a very very very leftist document. There is no "right" in America, there are only varying degrees of leftism. If you do not support a return to Divine Right Monarchy you are by very definition not right wing. You are a leftist. Just accept it. 1. The use of your "Left-Right" political spectrum is flawed. If divine right monarchy is "right", then where, on such a spectrum, does a "right-wing" fascist regime fit, such as Peron or Franco. Where does anarchy fit? 2. A better spectrum is no/almost no governemnt interference and influence on a citizen/subject's life on the right and total government control on the left. On such a spectrum, anarchy would be at the far right, a constitutionally limited republic would be slightly to the left of that. "Christian Socialism" around the middle, and Communism/Fascism (two sides of the same coin) toward the left. 3. Continued insistance on using a political spectrum contrived to explain the legislature of Revolutionary France to try to accuately describe current conditions anywhere is folly. |
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