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Posted: 8/23/2013 8:41:25 PM EDT
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I once emailed MI inquiring about buying a roll pin for my ERS. Seth at MI replied within 12 hrs. asking for my mailing info. I thought, "cool, he's gonna send me a roll pin!"
No, he sent me a brand new ERS, a $105 BUIS. Even refused my offer in a subsequent email to send them the old ERS with the hinky pin. Just saying there are plenty of vendors out there with quality products and incredible customer service who seemingly don't employ statist assholes who'd just as soon shoot you in the back as look at you. |
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Posted: 8/23/2013 8:42:12 PM EDT
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Glad to see the adults in the room didn't listen to the whining of petulant children. Good for Troy. They will have a solid training staff with LE support after thw GWOT winds down. The commissar will be pleased with your loyalty comrade. |
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Posted: 8/23/2013 8:58:34 PM EDT
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Glad to see the adults in the room didn't listen to the whining of petulant children. Good for Troy. They will have a solid training staff with LE support after thw GWOT winds down. They're pretty much the only ones who can "train" in MA anyways. |
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Posted: 8/23/2013 9:20:52 PM EDT
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They're pretty much the only ones who can "train" in MA anyways. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Glad to see the adults in the room didn't listen to the whining of petulant children. Good for Troy. They will have a solid training staff with LE support after thw GWOT winds down. They're pretty much the only ones who can "train" in MA anyways. Eh, when Fed is a big boy they might let him train with them. Maybe if he is lucky they will let him hold the baby. |
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Posted: 8/23/2013 9:32:35 PM EDT
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Holy Cluster-Poop.
There is no excuse for hiring trash. |
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Posted: 8/23/2013 10:06:07 PM EDT
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Piers Morgan is still on the air, Since the gun debate i haven't tuned in once. I am waiting for the day he goes away.
Troy ind. will never be in my home ever!!!!!!!! They will stick around i'm sure. But neither will do so on my time or my dime. |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 12:51:38 AM EDT
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Bravo Sir!
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Troy Industries. Troy was the city invaded by the Trojans, right? They sent in the 'Trojan horse' and made the place famous. Troy industries...an ironic name. Either they want to invite the pain onto themselves and hire these guys, who worked to destroy our society from within, or they are simply star-fuckers who hoped that a famous name would be bring them accolades? I'm torn on the irony of this all. Because, Trojans are also famous condoms. Either way, Troy is fucked. Jim Zumbo is laughing and keeping his mouth shut all at the same time. TRG |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 1:06:47 AM EDT
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Here's hoping LE and mil folks who need training go elsewhere and this turns out to be the worst decision Troy ever made
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Posted: 8/24/2013 3:18:08 AM EDT
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Troy is really making it hard on their dealers with this.
My shop is tactical nothing else. Have a fair amount of Troy in stock, rifles, sights, mags, rails. Not ordering anymore is an option I have. But items in stock I still need to sell from a business standpoint. I do understand that Troy has the right to hire whoever they want. Just like the consumer has the right not to buy their products if they disapprove of a companies policy. Dumb move on Troy's part no matter what their spin is. It's hurting more people than just Troy. From distributors on down the supply chain to your local gun shop. |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 3:24:24 AM EDT
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Daniel Defense, here I come Good shit. |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 3:42:29 AM EDT
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Glad to see the adults in the room didn't listen to the whining of petulant children. Good for Troy. They will have a solid training staff with LE support after thw GWOT winds down. [insertCoCviolationresponsehere] |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 6:37:14 AM EDT
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Well I have a Noveske NSR on the way instead of the Alpha I wanted, but Im wondering about the Samson sights. Anyone using them or having any negative/positive experience with them?
This bothers me, that Alpha rail with the integrated FUFS was the berries IMO. ETA Not really crazy about the MI rear sight. |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 6:39:46 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/24/2013 6:43:33 AM EDT
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Well I have a Noveske NSR on the way instead of the Alpha I wanted, but Im wondering about the Samson sights. Anyone using them or having any negative/positive experience with them? This bothers me, that Alpha rail with the integrated FUFS was the berries IMO. ETA Not really crazy about the MI rear sight. I have a couple of sets of Diamondhead sights. I do like them. Not as much as my Troys  but they are nice. Here is one of my Rainier branded Diamondheads:
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Posted: 8/24/2013 6:51:53 AM EDT
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Well I have a Noveske NSR on the way instead of the Alpha I wanted, but Im wondering about the Samson sights. Anyone using them or having any negative/positive experience with them? This bothers me, that Alpha rail with the integrated FUFS was the berries IMO. ETA Not really crazy about the MI rear sight. How about the KAC sights? I picked a set up off the EE to replace my Magpul sights, and I'm really liking them. |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 6:53:20 AM EDT
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Troy Industries. Troy was the city invaded by the Trojans, right? They sent in the 'Trojan horse' and made the place famous. Troy industries...an ironic name. Either they want to invite the pain onto themselves and hire these guys, who worked to destroy our society from within, or they are simply star-fuckers who hoped that a famous name would be bring them accolades? I'm torn on the irony of this all. Because, Trojans are also famous condoms. Either way, Troy is fucked. Jim Zumbo is laughing and keeping his mouth shut all at the same time. TRG Yep. Troy's hubris brought them down because they thought their walls couldn't be breached. It will be really interesting to see if this isn't a case where ignorance of history brings on a repeat. |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 6:56:18 AM EDT
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So....
Anyone interested in compiling a list of companies that resell or private label Troy parts? 
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Posted: 8/24/2013 7:09:33 AM EDT
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Troy is really making it hard on their dealers with this. My shop is tactical nothing else. Have a fair amount of Troy in stock, rifles, sights, mags, rails. Not ordering anymore is an option I have. But items in stock I still need to sell from a business standpoint. I do understand that Troy has the right to hire whoever they want. Just like the consumer has the right not to buy their products if they disapprove of a companies policy. Dumb move on Troy's part no matter what their spin is. It's hurting more people than just Troy. From distributors on down the supply chain to your local gun shop. Not really a problem as you have already paid Troy for your inventory. The simple solution is to simply not order anything else from them. A real shame. They make some good stuff. |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 7:10:12 AM EDT
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So.... Anyone interested in compiling a list of companies that resell or private label Troy parts? Get to it, pal. |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 7:11:16 AM EDT
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So.... Anyone interested in compiling a list of companies that resell or private label Troy parts? I wouldn't go that far. I'll just not plan to purchase rebranded Troy products. No reason to penalize other companies for one's political stance. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 7:23:45 AM EDT
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I wouldn't go that far. I'll just not plan to purchase rebranded Troy products. No reason to penalize other companies for one's political stance. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So.... Anyone interested in compiling a list of companies that resell or private label Troy parts? I wouldn't go that far. I'll just not plan to purchase rebranded Troy products. No reason to penalize other companies for one's political stance. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I don't agree. If purchasing an M&P or Ruger with a rail on it puts money in Troy's pocket that is still a problem. When Zumbo needed to be slapped down we didn't just go after his employer. As far as rebranded or OEM uses of Troy stuff goes, my line in the sand has been crossed. |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 7:32:19 AM EDT
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A few hours ago I posted a message on Troy's facebook page regarding their hiring of Jodi Weis. Their response ? Delete without publicly responding.
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Posted: 8/24/2013 7:33:43 AM EDT
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I don't agree. If purchasing an M&P or Ruger with a rail on it puts money in Troy's pocket that is still a problem. When Zumbo needed to be slapped down we didn't just go after his employer. As far as rebranded or OEM uses of Troy stuff goes, my line in the sand has been crossed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So.... Anyone interested in compiling a list of companies that resell or private label Troy parts? I wouldn't go that far. I'll just not plan to purchase rebranded Troy products. No reason to penalize other companies for one's political stance. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I don't agree. If purchasing an M&P or Ruger with a rail on it puts money in Troy's pocket that is still a problem. When Zumbo needed to be slapped down we didn't just go after his employer. As far as rebranded or OEM uses of Troy stuff goes, my line in the sand has been crossed. I agree with this. Some people may say this is turning on our own, but I see it as needing to protect our own. Our strength is in numbers. If we dont have any solidarity with the industry we'd probably be flailing in the wind right now with new firearms laws up to our necks. Having them united and on our side is key. |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 7:35:03 AM EDT
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A few hours ago I posted a message on Troy's facebook page regarding their hiring of Jodi Weis. Their response ? Delete without publicly responding. Weis has been dealt with, although at this point hes probably still on staff. Monroe is the one to worry about. |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 7:49:20 AM EDT
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So that troy sight on my noveske I've had for years? Its meeting mr sledge when I'm home. Sell it, they see no profit from that sale and you make a gain therefore disposing of your "problem" and receiving a positive outcome. Breaking things cuz they made us mad is a step in the wrong direction. |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 8:02:21 AM EDT
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Sell it, they see no profit from that sale and you make a gain therefore disposing of your "problem" and receiving a positive outcome. Breaking things cuz they made us mad is a step in the wrong direction. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So that troy sight on my noveske I've had for years? Its meeting mr sledge when I'm home. Sell it, they see no profit from that sale and you make a gain therefore disposing of your "problem" and receiving a positive outcome. Breaking things cuz they made us mad is a step in the wrong direction. Exactly I just put on a front fixed sight on. It's a troy and I am very disappointed in their choice of employees to say the least. Why would I destroy or throw away something I have already paid for? Will I buy their products again? Not a chance, but I am not cutting off the nose to spite the face either. |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 8:29:34 AM EDT
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People did the same thing with S&W back in the 90s. Swore they'd never even buy a used Smith. That's just dumb.
Nothing wrong with buying secondhand. The company has already made their money. |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 9:40:20 AM EDT
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Sell it, they see no profit from that sale and you make a gain therefore disposing of your "problem" and receiving a positive outcome. Breaking things cuz they made us mad is a step in the wrong direction. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So that troy sight on my noveske I've had for years? Its meeting mr sledge when I'm home. Sell it, they see no profit from that sale and you make a gain therefore disposing of your "problem" and receiving a positive outcome. Breaking things cuz they made us mad is a step in the wrong direction. I disagree. It's way more than just making us mad. They kicked us in the balls. HARD. They fucked us over in the worst possible way, especially in the current political anti-gun climate. By selling or trading Troy products still keeps the name and product in circulation. The message needs to be sent Lima FUCKING Charlie: You don't trample roughshod on the gun community, turn a blind eye, try to cover it up, and then expect everything to be peachy keen by the next business day. I'm in the industry and I had a bad business deal with them several years ago. I saw right through their business practices then, and when they fucked me around and I swore that I would never do business with them or support them over that debacle. The only good thing that came out of that fiasco was that I found Samson Manufacturing because of it, and I never looked back. There are MANY other honorable and faithful companies at our disposal that we can deal with in confidence. SUPER_SIX_ONE sledge away. Chalk it up to a loss and replace your Troy kit with kit from companies that truly care about us and the gun community at large. |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 1:09:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/24/2013 1:12:05 PM EDT
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<a href="http://s240.photobucket.com/user/ZX2_R/media/TroyLogo_White_vertical.png.html" target="_blank">http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff141/ZX2_R/TroyLogo_White_vertical.png</a> 
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Posted: 8/24/2013 1:21:11 PM EDT
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Does anyone else expect companies to start dropping Troy products in the future?
I think it will be inevitable if they continue to ignore this situation. |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 1:28:54 PM EDT
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Im thinking this is one of these situations where Steve Troy feels that backing up on this issue will be like waffling and he is better standing his ground.
I say holding his ground will sink his business. |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 1:43:38 PM EDT
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Does anyone else expect companies to start dropping Troy products in the future? I think it will be inevitable if they continue to ignore this situation. Hopefully Larue will drop them and create their own folding BUIS. |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 2:02:11 PM EDT
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I hope LaRue, BCM, & Noveske all give Troy the boot.
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Posted: 8/24/2013 2:03:00 PM EDT
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Not gonna read 20 pages, did Troy respond?
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Posted: 8/24/2013 2:10:44 PM EDT
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Not gonna read 20 pages, did Troy respond? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Boy howdy, did they. Apparently Weis wasn't brave enough for them, and when the public expressed outrage, Troy checked into his background and realized Weis would sooner run away than shoot an unarmed woman and her baby. Since that is not up the standard Troy's training division has set, they terminated him immediately. |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 2:15:17 PM EDT
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Hopefully Larue will drop them and create their own folding BUIS. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does anyone else expect companies to start dropping Troy products in the future? I think it will be inevitable if they continue to ignore this situation. Hopefully Larue will drop them and create their own folding BUIS. A couple of threads were started in the LT industry forum... the usually suspects shot it down, and most of the posters weren't following this thread, and lack all the info. Getting other manufacturers to drop Troy products is likely not to happen. There are enough posters who still fail to see the issue with Troys decision. I won't be purchasing Troy products ever again, that includes re-branded products also. |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 6:31:44 PM EDT
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This was on another site.
Guy starts defending Troy... I wonder how Dale Monroe or Jody Weis affect how Troy Industries products work..... my stuff works just fine and I don't feel the need to get out the pitchforks or round up the lynch mob. I could jump on the bandwagon but I refuse to join into the hype, I am a gun owner and proud of it, I am able to purchase whatever products I choose to. Do I support Troy Industries....YES, do I have an opinion on what is going on....YES but I thought this forum was about people coming together to talk about their love of guns and who are passionate about their INDIVIDUAL RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS. I think that we are here to offer up good knowledge, support and information about GUNS, HARDWARE and GUNS again. I doubt any single one of you on here are perfect myself included. We all have our crosses to bear, I have no personal agenda to sway people one way or another. I am normally quiet and I just stay below the radar, but I feel we need to get back to the REAL reason why we are ALL here, to talk about GUNS and SHOOTING THEM not sitting in the basement and stroking them. I want each and everyone of you that is able to go to the range this weekend, dig out that safe queen and SHOOT IT. Have a good time at the range. It is very easy to hide behind the keyboard and fire shots at people, we all know that it is true. For those that know me personally, this is very rare that do more than read on this forum. I am not pointing fingers, I am simply asking for all of to remember why we joined this site. Be cause we are NORTH EAST SHOOTERS? Suspicions are raised over his boot licking and obvious misunderstanding of the second amendment. He gets called out for being Troy employee and posts this: Not Steve Troy and no I don't wear Jack Boots to work I wear sneakers. Let's leave it at that. I have a position that I enjoy and I may take a lot of heat for it but now everyone knows where I work. Please don't PM me with hate messages. Thank you. I chose to work for Troy and am not afraid to admit it.
http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/general-discussion/219442-looks-like-troy-industries-might-have-stepped.html |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 7:30:09 PM EDT
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What's the prevailing sentiment on most other shooting boards? There's a smaller thread on TOS in which most posters don't seem terribly happy with Troy.
I'm curious if the discussion is limited mostly to NES and AR-centric forums, or if it has attracted the attention of the general shooting community's eye of Sauron. |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 8:41:14 PM EDT
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What's the prevailing sentiment on most other shooting boards? There's a smaller thread on TOS in which most posters don't seem terribly happy with Troy. I'm curious if the discussion is limited mostly to NES and AR-centric forums, or if it has attracted the attention of the general shooting community's eye of Sauron. I didn't know TOS had their version of GD, I guess I need to look again. There are a couple other gun forums I go to, not as often as here and there isn't any mention of this. But then again, they are not really AR centric either. What are they saying on TOS? |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 9:11:34 PM EDT
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This was on another site. Guy starts defending Troy... Suspicions are raised over his boot licking and obvious misunderstanding of the second amendment. He gets called out for being Troy employee and posts this: http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/general-discussion/219442-looks-like-troy-industries-might-have-stepped.html Quote HistoryQuoted:
This was on another site. Guy starts defending Troy... I wonder how Dale Monroe or Jody Weis affect how Troy Industries products work..... my stuff works just fine and I don't feel the need to get out the pitchforks or round up the lynch mob. I could jump on the bandwagon but I refuse to join into the hype, I am a gun owner and proud of it, I am able to purchase whatever products I choose to. Do I support Troy Industries....YES, do I have an opinion on what is going on....YES but I thought this forum was about people coming together to talk about their love of guns and who are passionate about their INDIVIDUAL RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS. I think that we are here to offer up good knowledge, support and information about GUNS, HARDWARE and GUNS again. I doubt any single one of you on here are perfect myself included. We all have our crosses to bear, I have no personal agenda to sway people one way or another. I am normally quiet and I just stay below the radar, but I feel we need to get back to the REAL reason why we are ALL here, to talk about GUNS and SHOOTING THEM not sitting in the basement and stroking them. I want each and everyone of you that is able to go to the range this weekend, dig out that safe queen and SHOOT IT. Have a good time at the range. It is very easy to hide behind the keyboard and fire shots at people, we all know that it is true. For those that know me personally, this is very rare that do more than read on this forum. I am not pointing fingers, I am simply asking for all of to remember why we joined this site. Be cause we are NORTH EAST SHOOTERS? Suspicions are raised over his boot licking and obvious misunderstanding of the second amendment. He gets called out for being Troy employee and posts this: Not Steve Troy and no I don't wear Jack Boots to work I wear sneakers. Let's leave it at that. I have a position that I enjoy and I may take a lot of heat for it but now everyone knows where I work. Please don't PM me with hate messages. Thank you. I chose to work for Troy and am not afraid to admit it.
http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/general-discussion/219442-looks-like-troy-industries-might-have-stepped.html 
What are their names on arfcom? 
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Posted: 8/24/2013 10:03:16 PM EDT
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Glad to see the adults in the room didn't listen to the whining of petulant children. Good for Troy. They will have a solid training staff with LE support after thw GWOT winds down. We all know what you are. Men are talking here---you'd do well to shut your mouth. 
I expected this from Troy since the first day this story broke. Continual doubling-down and insults to every law-abiding gun owner...well Troy, I sincerely hope that you go out of business. You will never see a penny of my money and I will be educating as many people as I can about you collaborating with the enemy. 
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Posted: 8/24/2013 10:10:22 PM EDT
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Wow, how did I miss this one?
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Posted: 8/24/2013 10:17:24 PM EDT
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I really find it hard to understand how Troy Industries doesn't seem to get the revulsion amongst their customer base over employing those two shitbirds. Well, the civilian market anyway.
Now that parts are becoming available I've been making plans to put together a rifle or two myself. Troy sights and FF tubes were on the top of the list. Not now, not ever, since they refuse to even acknowledge they've stepped on their dick with this shit. |
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Posted: 8/24/2013 10:33:19 PM EDT
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The level of stupidity exhibited by Troy in the past week has been nothing short of astounding. This is a powerful lesson in what NOT to do when you really screw up...of course, what's troubling is that Troy sees no issue with what they are doing, and they are insistent on telling their customers just how stupid they think their customers are. What a fantastic business model.
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Posted: 8/25/2013 3:53:31 AM EDT
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I posted this in the thread in the industry section, and feel it needs to be repeated here.
That whole fiasco is a very dark spot on the relationship between We the People and the government. You have a family that feared an intrusive government that moved far out into a rural area to stay as far off the grid as possible get attacked by the very government they feared would be coming to get them. And for what? A QUARTER OF A FUCKING INCH ON THE LENGTH OF A SHOTGUN BARREL. Think about that for a minute. The thickness of 2 quarters held together. They ambushed his son and dog, got one of their own killed, shot him and his friend, and killed his wife while holding her baby in her arms. OVER 1/4 OF AN INCH. |
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Posted: 8/25/2013 3:54:39 AM EDT
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Nothing will come of this.
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Posted: 8/25/2013 5:13:50 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/25/2013 5:15:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I really find it hard to understand how Troy Industries doesn't seem to get the revulsion amongst their customer base over employing those two shitbirds. They get it, they just don't give a shit. |
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Posted: 8/25/2013 6:18:41 AM EDT
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I posted this in the thread in the industry section, and feel it needs to be repeated here. That whole fiasco is a very dark spot on the relationship between We the People and the government. You have a family that feared an intrusive government that moved far out into a rural area to stay as far off the grid as possible get attacked by the very government they feared would be coming to get them. And for what? A QUARTER OF A FUCKING INCH ON THE LENGTH OF A SHOTGUN BARREL. Think about that for a minute. The thickness of 2 quarters held together. They ambushed his son and dog, got one of their own killed, shot him and his friend, and killed his wife while holding her baby in her arms. OVER 1/4 OF AN INCH. Mr. Troy has chosen to side with those who would do the same thing to Him and his family if ordered to.... but that would be ok with him, because they were just following orders in a fluid situation
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