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Link Posted: 1/10/2018 6:03:08 AM EST
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If people are healthy and successful(and conservative) I sort of think it's a moral imperative to have children.

I usually hear the "I'll never have kids" thing from my crazy hippy cousin who is a Marxist.

Strangely I hear it on here often.

I sort of thought the "no-kids" mentality was a result of ethno-Marxist brainwashing or immoral urban consumerism(think Sex & the City TV show)
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Well you then hear it from people with some serious, fucked up issues, whatever political affiliation they may have. That makes sense to me.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 6:06:33 AM EST
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What really makes me wonder sometimes is people who substitute pets for children.

I don't care if you want kids or not, but pets are not people.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 6:10:18 AM EST
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What really makes me wonder sometimes is people who substitute pets for children.

I don't care if you want kids or not, but pets are not people.
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No, they're better.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 6:50:22 AM EST
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Hey OP-

The .gov isn't giving me enough money to raise my kids. Will you start sending me $3,000 a month to do so? K thx.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 7:07:58 AM EST
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You told me to breed. I’m breeding.
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Uhhhhh.....

And typing on ARFCOM?
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 7:10:40 AM EST
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You owe me money for my check up and some maternity clothes. I want cute ones, from Mimi Maternity, not some shitty off brand.

You can send cheap baby clothes to that stjames guy, I’m shitting the brats out on his porch so they’re his problem to dress. If I don’t have to breast feed, I can get knocked up again that much sooner.
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Are you the chick my son the knucklhead married????
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 7:12:16 AM EST
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Having children or not is a choice made between partners. Judging people based on their choice is ridiculous. That is between them and nobody else's business.
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Seems simple enough, doesn't it?
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 7:13:29 AM EST
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Seems simple enough, doesn't it?
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Having children or not is a choice made between partners. Judging people based on their choice is ridiculous. That is between them and nobody else's business.
Seems simple enough, doesn't it?
It'll never work. Nobody will buy that.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 7:15:30 AM EST
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I'm a parent.

I don't agree with you at all.

There's lots of people that don't want kids that shouldn't have them
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And plenty who could have kids who could afford to have kids but <gasp!> made a choice not to.

The reasons for that decision isn't the business of anyone else.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:01:22 AM EST
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I'm sorry, it was a intelligent reply.

Population Clock

In what reality do you think that the survival of our species is in any danger?

I'm blunt and have little tolerance for rampant stupidity.
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I don't think anyone has argued the entirity of the human species is in danger of survival.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:04:08 AM EST
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Got a vasectomy at 23. Our dogs and jobs are enough trouble, the missus and I don't want kids preventing us from doing what we want.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:05:25 AM EST
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The only people I've known in my life who make such arguments are those who are genuinely envious of others who are not bogged down by the heavy burden of children.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:08:44 AM EST
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I'm certainly not intending to ostracize people who have health, money or emotional issues which render them childless. That is a completely separate subject worthy of enormous compassion.

I only meant to pry at those who have the good fortune of health and financial well being, but choose to not raise a family.

To those who complain about the dire state of the world, I bet your ancestors have seen much worse. Consider veterans of the Civil War or WWI. I'm absolutely certain they had more understanding of the world then anxiety ridden conservative millennials who lose sleep over killer robots and illegal immigration.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:11:55 AM EST
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Got a vasectomy at 23. Our dogs and jobs are enough trouble, the missus and I don't want kids preventing us from doing what we want.
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The doc let you get snipped at 23 with no kids? I didn't think they'd do that.

Edit: I'm in no way trying to be insulting. Just curious
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:13:18 AM EST
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I only meant to pry at those who have the good fortune of health and financial well being, but choose to not raise a family.
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We work hard maintaining both our health and our fortune.
My statement directly preceding yours still stands.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:15:54 AM EST
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I'm certainly not intending to ostracize people who have health, money or emotional issues which render them childless. That is a completely separate subject worthy of enormous compassion.

I only meant to pry at those who have the good fortune of health and financial well being, but choose to not raise a family.

To those who complain about the dire state of the world, I bet your ancestors have seen much worse. Consider veterans of the Civil War or WWI. I'm absolutely certain they had more understanding of the world then anxiety ridden conservative millennials who lose sleep over killer robots and illegal immigration.
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Ha! do you realize what the population difference in the world is now compared to even WWI? What about compared to even Vietnam, here's a hint..... It's double. People need to stop having kids, not have more.

Beyond that, what the fuck do you think makes you some expert to weigh in on this? Why does someone need a medical issue? Most of us that are well off enough to choose to just not have kids are also smart enough to not just give in to poor impulse control and do something because that's the way it's always been done. Humans are intelligent and have the ability to rise above basic primitive instincts, why do something just because? No one owes you or anyone else anything.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:18:23 AM EST
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I'm certainly not intending to ostracize people who have health, money or emotional issues which render them childless. That is a completely separate subject worthy of enormous compassion.

I only meant to pry at those who have the good fortune of health and financial well being, but choose to not raise a family.

To those who complain about the dire state of the world, I bet your ancestors have seen much worse. Consider veterans of the Civil War or WWI. I'm absolutely certain they had more understanding of the world then anxiety ridden conservative millennials who lose sleep over killer robots and illegal immigration.
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(At your last paragraph)

I know lol, you'd think some posters believe they or we are living in The Walking Dead or Resident Evil or something. Life is imperfect don't get me wrong but by all standards of the past it's pretty darn good
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:24:17 AM EST
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No.  At least they're honest with themselves about their priorities.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:25:00 AM EST
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I’m a good person. I got pregnant like I’m supposed to. Now I need you to send me cash for prenatal vitamins.
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Am I the father? No? I don't recall making it with a white gorilla...but there was that one time we got drunk and snuck into the zoo, so....Send me a picture of the kid....
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:26:32 AM EST
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Having children or not is a choice made between partners. Judging people based on their choice is ridiculous. That is between them and nobody else’s business.
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If we don't judge people on the choices they make.....What exactly are we supposed to judge them on? Their God given looks? Oh, I know, how they "feel" about things maybe?

There is nothing BETTER to judge people on than THEIR CHOICES IN LIFE!
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:27:56 AM EST
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No.

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FPNI
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:30:49 AM EST
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Did anybody say that if you don't have kids you pretty much failed at life?

Reproduction is one of the main goals of life.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:39:06 AM EST
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Some people never grow up-those people decide not to have kids.
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Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:40:43 AM EST
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we have no kids, never wanted them, for both personal and medical reasons.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:42:02 AM EST
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Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:42:15 AM EST
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I'm so thankful for having this site. So many experts on both sides of this topic telling me how to live my life and all the mistakes I'm making.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:43:07 AM EST
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I'm so thankful for having this site. So many experts telling me how to live my life and all the mistakes I'm making.
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GD is certainly a "Lifestyle Consulting Firm" isn't it?
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:44:29 AM EST
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GD is certainly a "Lifestyle Consulting Firm" isn't it?
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I'm so thankful for having this site. So many experts telling me how to live my life and all the mistakes I'm making.
GD is certainly a "Lifestyle Consulting Firm" isn't it?
Everyone in GD has life by the balls and are millionaires. I'm just trying to catch up.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:46:13 AM EST
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GD is certainly a "Lifestyle Consulting Firm" isn't it?
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I'm so thankful for having this site. So many experts telling me how to live my life and all the mistakes I'm making.
GD is certainly a "Lifestyle Consulting Firm" isn't it?
Everyone in GD has life by the balls and are millionaires. I'm just trying to catch up.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:46:46 AM EST
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People who dont have kids should not be allowed to vote/ hold office, they have no stake in the future, so they should have no say in it.
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Good point.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:48:10 AM EST
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People who dont have kids should not be allowed to vote/ hold office, they have no stake in the future, so they should have no say in it.
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Lol, budgets and elections are for short term  timelines, even large policy changes generally sunset at 10 years. No one in the government is planning for future generations, and you are voting on current representation. Don't be stupid.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:53:14 AM EST
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1. I don't want the burden of having children, ATM
2. I can't afford to have children
3. I don't believe i'm mature enough to be a father, ATM

Why do you care so much?
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:53:24 AM EST
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People who dont have kids should not be allowed to vote/ hold office, they have no stake in the future, so they should have no say in it.
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Did anybody say that if you don't have kids you pretty much failed at life?

Reproduction is one of the main goals of life.
People who dont have kids should not be allowed to vote/ hold office, they have no stake in the future, so they should have no say in it.
If I don't get a vote I'll be keeping my full earnings. Seems like a fair deal.

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Tax the shit out of those who have kids. The more kids the more tax. Go for it. Make them pay the full cost of schooling thier kids. Make them pay the full cost of jailing them.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 8:58:59 AM EST
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Me and my future-wife have decided that kids aren't in the plans. We may change our minds eventually, as we're young, but it's not terribly likely.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 9:00:48 AM EST
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My gf has 2 kids, ages 11 and 5. I have no kids, and don't want any. I have a laundry list of reasons why I don't want kids, but at the top of that list is that I am free to make that choice. The rest of the reasons are none of your god damn business.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 9:01:51 AM EST
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Serious question:  Do those of you with small children honestly expect your kids to have a better life than you have had?

I ask that because (in my opinion), fathers for many generations have believed their kids could have a better life.  Which is one of the many reasons we don't have children. . .
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 9:05:32 AM EST
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I'm certainly not intending to ostracize people who have health, money or emotional issues which render them childless. That is a completely separate subject worthy of enormous compassion.

I only meant to pry at those who have the good fortune of health and financial well being, but choose to not raise a family.

To those who complain about the dire state of the world, I bet your ancestors have seen much worse. Consider veterans of the Civil War or WWI. I'm absolutely certain they had more understanding of the world then anxiety ridden conservative millennials who lose sleep over killer robots and illegal immigration.
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On the heels of the Heinlein thread, too.

"The phrase “we (I) (you) simply must--”designates something that need not be done. “That goes without saying” is a red warning. “Of course” means you had best check it yourself. These small--change cliches and others like them, when read correctly, are reliable channel markers."
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 9:06:46 AM EST
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Link Posted: 1/10/2018 9:08:13 AM EST
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I have seen too many kids ruin their parent's lives. With more and more people and less opportunity I don't see that trend decreasing anytime soon.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 9:09:13 AM EST
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...I only meant to pry at those who have the good fortune of health and financial well being, but choose to not raise a family....
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Why?  What's it to you?
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 9:11:05 AM EST
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If we don't judge people on the choices they make.....What exactly are we supposed to judge them on?...
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I judge people mainly by how they treat others; and berating others for their personal, private life decisions doesn't rate highly with me.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 9:11:26 AM EST
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If people are healthy and successful(and conservative) I sort of think it's a moral imperative to have children.
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You are wrong.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 9:11:38 AM EST
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Serious question:  Do those of you with small children honestly expect your kids to have a better life than you have had?

I ask that because (in my opinion), fathers for many generations have believed their kids could have a better life.  Which is one of the many reasons we don't have children. . .
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That's a legitimate issue. Every parent want's "more" for their kid than what they had. I don't know that my kids will have it better than I did honestly, because despite being born relatively poor, I've done well for myself. But, it's not only about them....The children born in the Roman Empire in say, 460, probably didn't have it better arguably than their parents.....But history marches on and it's not always uphill to bigger and better things, there are plenty of dips and valleys to traverse and if you think you can read all those...you're mistaken.

What I do know, is that so far, the human race has proven remarkably resilient and if there is a CHANCE that they will have a good life, then I want them to have that chance. Most of life is what you make of it- regardless of the overall conditions. Even at the height of the "dark ages", there were people living happily, making a living, raising a family, engaging in commerce, studying their world- trying to make a better life for themselves and their families....
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 9:12:23 AM EST
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Merkel's Germany is the end product of childless people electing childless rulers.
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And then importing Millions of Turd Worlders to prop up their economy as a result of their shitty life choices....
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 9:16:57 AM EST
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I judge people mainly by how they treat others; and berating others for their personal, private life decisions doesn't rate highly with me.
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And how people treat others is a choice, isn't it? We judge people on their choices. Now, arguably, we choose not to judge CERTAIN choices based on our own moral judgments about things, but in the end, we have to judge people in some way and how they choose to exercise their Free Will ranks pretty high on that list.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 9:24:46 AM EST
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If I don't get a vote I'll be keeping my full earnings. Seems like a fair deal.

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Tax the shit out of those who have kids. The more kids the more tax. Go for it. Make them pay the full cost of schooling thier kids. Make them pay the full cost of jailing them.
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Nope, you have to pay more to help fund children for the next war.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 9:26:47 AM EST
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And then importing Millions of Turd Worlders to prop up their economy as a result of their shitty life choices....
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Because the 3rd world garbage people who reproduce like bacteria have such awesome governments.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 9:46:06 AM EST
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Merkel's Germany is the end product of childless people electing childless rulers.
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Every nutter socialist idea I can think of sooner or later always comes down to "Think of the children."

You don't need all that freedom. Think of the children.

You don't need to keep all that money for yourself. Think of the children.

Censorship is required. Think of the children.

Fuck the children.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 9:51:01 AM EST
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1. I don't want the burden of having children, ATM
2. I can't afford to have children
3. I don't believe i'm mature enough to be a father, ATM

Why do you care so much?
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What does ATM have to do with any of that? Well maybe I can see it makes sense for 1 & 3 if you're trying to avoid being a father.
Link Posted: 1/10/2018 9:53:34 AM EST
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Some tell me how having kids is the greatest thing ever and then yell at their kids until veins pop out of their foreheads and gripe about almost every aspect of parenthood so there is a real disconnect.
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Yeah I might have considered it if my friends and former co-workers with kids would have stopped constantly complaining about what a burden their kids were.
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