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Posted: 11/25/2023 7:52:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t really care about the magazine thing. Still wondering about this research about range, though. For myself? I want the most capability and performance I can get from contact distance to 50 yards or so from the gun I carry every day. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 33,000 SD situations only 1 went a 2nd mag.(John Correia NRA 23) Long distances SD comes into question. That's enough. By the way, I said for me and YMMV. RIF. If you want a light and and dot to do SD at 50 yards and wear a plate....go for it. Let's try this again....YMMV. I don’t really care about the magazine thing. Still wondering about this research about range, though. For myself? I want the most capability and performance I can get from contact distance to 50 yards or so from the gun I carry every day. Now you are specific. 50 yards is a long way for a SD scenario. Not saying one way or the other. Is your life truly in jeopardy at 50 yards? Possible if they have an AR in hand. What is the mission? For me, is to get out alive. I would much rather run, evade, hide than engage at that distance with a high risk of being charged or a stray bullet hit an innocent. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 7:55:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah like Elija Dickens or the dude that shot the church shooter with a 357 Sig from 75 feet away. Jesus christ this place is full of ignorant luddites. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: RDS and light only on home defense weapon. CCW neither. Research has shown that nearly all SD situations are within a few yards and practically never go to a second mag. Dots and irons within a few yards would not make a difference for me. Me CCW, g26, irons, NS, IWB. Any additions makes it cumbersome for no reason. That is me. YMMV. Yeah like Elija Dickens or the dude that shot the church shooter with a 357 Sig from 75 feet away. Jesus christ this place is full of ignorant luddites. So you gave me 2 examples out of thousands? Math is not hard. All - nearly all = few. Carry a firearm but also carry pepper spray. Wannabe Rambo are you? I also said, do as you wish. Math and reading is not hard. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 7:58:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now you are specific. 50 yards is a long way for a SD scenario. Not saying one way or the other. Is your life truly in jeopardy at 50 yards? Possible if they have an AR in hand. What is the mission? For me, is to get out alive. I would much rather run, evade, hide than engage at that distance with a high risk of being charged or a stray bullet hit an innocent. It’s pretty obvious that 50 yards is a long shot and unusual in a SD encounter. That being said, my skill level is certainly sufficient so I’d like to ensure the my carry gun makes it as easy as possible should the need arises. However, that’s why I stipulated “from contact distance to 50 yards”. How long are the aisles at your local grocery store? Or down your driveway? I have a 25 yard shot just across the inside of my house. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 7:59:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you gave me 2 examples out of thousands? Math is not hard. All - nearly all = few. Carry a firearm but also carry pepper spray. Wannabe Rambo are you? I also said, do as you wish. Math and reading is not hard. Nobody is talking about Rambo anything. I’m talking about speed and accuracy at any distance. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:04:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We need the bingo card: You won’t see your sights in a gunfight. I shoot good enough with irons (despite not owning a timer, training to standards, or having any way to accurately asses performance. I won’t have time to turn it on! Tried it for 20 minutes with no dryfire and couldn’t find the dot so I gave up. What if I get it wet/bbq sauce/someone attacks you with water balloons full of black paint and sand? BULK! No advantage within 25 yards and 99.999999% of gunfights are at nipple-to-nipple distance. ELECTRONIC THINGS BREAK IRONS NEVER FAIL I mean, irons are fine and you can perform at a very high level with them but most of the arguments against optics are just nonsensical. Lmao. Holy crap you have no damn clue what you are talking about. First 99% of all the optics are already turned on and you don't have to touch a button. Your failure to use an optic correctly or get training or help to learn how to use one proves nothing. They are much simpler to use than iron sights. You use them differently and focus on your target with both eyes open and raise your pistol into your view then the dot transposed on your target. We train with the optic occluded fully and the dot will supper impose to your opposite eye and you still make shots extremely effectively, so your point about getting it covered is pointless, and they are waterproof. They are extremely usefull within 25 meters and in, especially with uncommon firing positions where you couldn't get a proper sight picture with irons as you don't need to align all your sights. It is also much faster than iron sights. And iron sights do fail. They break and fall off as well. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:05:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lmao. Holy crap you have no damn clue what you are talking about. First 99% of all the optics are already turned on and you don't have to touch a button. Your failure to use an optic correctly or get training or help to learn how to use one proves nothing. They are much simpler to use than iron sights. You use them differently and focus on your target with both eyes open and raise your pistol into your view then the dot transposed on your target. We train with the optic occluded fully and the dot will supper impose to your opposite eye and you still make shots extremely effectively, so your point about getting it covered is pointless, and they are waterproof. They are extremely ysefull within 25 meters and in, especially with uncommon firing positions where you couldn't get a proper sight picture with irons as you don't need to align all your sights. It is also much faster than iron sights. And iron sights do fail. They break and fall off as well. Bro… |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:08:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lmao. Holy crap you have no damn clue what you are talking about. First 99% of all the optics are already turned on and you don't have to touch a button. Your failure to use an optic correctly or get training or help to learn how to use one proves nothing. They are much simpler to use than iron sights. You use them differently and focus on your target with both eyes open and raise your pistol into your view then the dot transposed on your target. We train with the optic occluded fully and the dot will supper impose to your opposite eye and you still make shots extremely effectively, so your point about getting it covered is pointless, and they are waterproof. They are extremely ysefull within 25 meters and in, especially with uncommon firing positions where you couldn't get a proper sight picture with irons as you don't need to align all your sights. It is also much faster than iron sights. And iron sights do fail. They break and fall off as well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We need the bingo card: You won’t see your sights in a gunfight. I shoot good enough with irons (despite not owning a timer, training to standards, or having any way to accurately asses performance. I won’t have time to turn it on! Tried it for 20 minutes with no dryfire and couldn’t find the dot so I gave up. What if I get it wet/bbq sauce/someone attacks you with water balloons full of black paint and sand? BULK! No advantage within 25 yards and 99.999999% of gunfights are at nipple-to-nipple distance. ELECTRONIC THINGS BREAK IRONS NEVER FAIL I mean, irons are fine and you can perform at a very high level with them but most of the arguments against optics are just nonsensical. Lmao. Holy crap you have no damn clue what you are talking about. First 99% of all the optics are already turned on and you don't have to touch a button. Your failure to use an optic correctly or get training or help to learn how to use one proves nothing. They are much simpler to use than iron sights. You use them differently and focus on your target with both eyes open and raise your pistol into your view then the dot transposed on your target. We train with the optic occluded fully and the dot will supper impose to your opposite eye and you still make shots extremely effectively, so your point about getting it covered is pointless, and they are waterproof. They are extremely ysefull within 25 meters and in, especially with uncommon firing positions where you couldn't get a proper sight picture with irons as you don't need to align all your sights. It is also much faster than iron sights. And iron sights do fail. They break and fall off as well. 
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:09:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you gave me 2 examples out of thousands? Math is not hard. All - nearly all = few. Carry a firearm but also carry pepper spray. Wannabe Rambo are you? I also said, do as you wish. Math and reading is not hard. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: RDS and light only on home defense weapon. CCW neither. Research has shown that nearly all SD situations are within a few yards and practically never go to a second mag. Dots and irons within a few yards would not make a difference for me. Me CCW, g26, irons, NS, IWB. Any additions makes it cumbersome for no reason. That is me. YMMV. Yeah like Elija Dickens or the dude that shot the church shooter with a 357 Sig from 75 feet away. Jesus christ this place is full of ignorant luddites. So you gave me 2 examples out of thousands? Math is not hard. All - nearly all = few. Carry a firearm but also carry pepper spray. Wannabe Rambo are you? I also said, do as you wish. Math and reading is not hard. Pulls the "math is hard" card but can't produce a study that shows that "nearly all" are within "a few yards". Pull another statistic out of your office so we can continue to laugh at you! |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:10:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He has a staff. I met the staff. Good people. Still, you need to do you. I've not spent a penny on his material. I agree, the car ears is a tad off. But so are you so it balances out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: 33,000 SD situations only 1 went a 2nd mag.(John Correia NRA 23) Long distances SD comes into question. That's enough. By the way, I said for me and YMMV. RIF. If you want a light and and dot to do SD at 50 yards and wear a plate....go for it. Let's try this again....YMMV. The guy who wears cat ears at the range? Yeah. I am certain he's watched 33,000 videos of shootings, and there's no way he's making up a number to sell his "training."  (In 2017 it was 12,000, which means he's watched/analyzed another 10 shootout videos per day, every single day, for 6 years straight) He has a staff. I met the staff. Good people. Still, you need to do you. I've not spent a penny on his material. I agree, the car ears is a tad off. But so are you so it balances out. Great, so you doubled down on appeal to authority fallacy. By your own argument, anything that holds more than 7 rounds should be banned considering the "average" SD shoot out, right? |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:10:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pulls the "math is hard" card but can't produce a study that shows that "nearly all" are within "a few yards". Pull another statistic out of your office so we can continue to laugh at you! Look man… it’s research, ok? |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:14:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Great, so you doubled down on appeal to authority fallacy. By your own argument, anything that holds more than 7 rounds should be banned considering the "average" SD shoot out, right? Download your mags, Rambo. You wanna go running around with a plate carrier and 15 round mags be my guest. I’ll stick to the research. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:16:16 PM EDT
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“I have a horrible level of astigmatism in both eyes. “
If you are not aware Prism sights for many who have astigmatism are seen as a normal clear round dot I know we are talking handgun RDS. I don’t know if any of the micro prism sights are slide rated |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:16:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s pretty obvious that 50 yards is a long shot and unusual in a SD encounter. That being said, my skill level is certainly sufficient so I’d like to ensure the my carry gun makes it as easy as possible should the need arises. However, that’s why I stipulated “from contact distance to 50 yards”. How long are the aisles at your local grocery store? Or down your driveway? I have a 25 yard shot just across the inside of my house. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Now you are specific. 50 yards is a long way for a SD scenario. Not saying one way or the other. Is your life truly in jeopardy at 50 yards? Possible if they have an AR in hand. What is the mission? For me, is to get out alive. I would much rather run, evade, hide than engage at that distance with a high risk of being charged or a stray bullet hit an innocent. It’s pretty obvious that 50 yards is a long shot and unusual in a SD encounter. That being said, my skill level is certainly sufficient so I’d like to ensure the my carry gun makes it as easy as possible should the need arises. However, that’s why I stipulated “from contact distance to 50 yards”. How long are the aisles at your local grocery store? Or down your driveway? I have a 25 yard shot just across the inside of my house. Fair comment. I stipulated earlier that in my home, I have a RDS and light. That is for home only. Shooting across a driveway or down an aisle when escape was an option may prove fatal legally. Then again, I know some who are just as skilled with irons as with RDS at 50 yards. It is likely I can do better with rds at 50 yards, but then again, I will use my brain to get myself out of that situation. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:18:54 PM EDT
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Tapping out. Use dots, don't use dots. It's a personal thing. As usual, I got caught up in a pissing contest. See you in another thread. Have a happy weekend.
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:20:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Might as well get the retardation started early in this thread. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Optics for range toys and "tactical" toys. Irons, or no sights, for CCW. I could care less if my Trijicon dots are lit, etc. Point and shoot. Any further than that and I'm either evading, or using a long gun Might as well get the retardation started early in this thread. Pretty girls are everywhere. Functional retards are not. We are the prize, gentlemen. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:22:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL. Tell me. Do you think this shooter is using his optic? It's only 30 feet. There are also penalties involved for landing hits "anywhere" on a silhouette. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/At5qXI7ZOYU What do I care about the silly rules of your gun game, with your targets a million miles away? When I blast dirt clods they asplode no matter where I hit them. Ever had a milk jug laugh off a c zone hit? Me neither. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:22:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bro… Sorry. I saw what you said and missed you saying we need a bingo card.. my appologies.. just so damn many clueless people posting in here about optics and really no experience on how to use them correctly. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:24:05 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty girls are everywhere. Functional retards are not. We are the prize, gentlemen. Word ???????? |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:24:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry. I saw what you said and missed you saying we need a bingo card.. my appologies.. j7st so damn many clueless people posting in here.. No man… I fucking loved it ?? |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:25:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was thinking about upgrading from my standard gen 5 G19 to a new MOS G19 and putting one of the holoson enclosed emitter dots on it but my favorite holster doesnt make a holster for that setup. I run a safariland ALS btw. The 6360 will fit with a 509t/acro/mps the little cover won’t latch however. The 6378 and 7000 series can be had also the above depending on light selection. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:26:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bro… |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:32:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What do I care about the silly rules of your gun game, with your targets a million miles away? When I blast dirt clods they asplode no matter where I hit them. Ever had a milk jug laugh off a c zone hit? Me neither. Every single guy who says “silly gun game” can’t shoot for fuck. YOU used the figure of 7-10 yards. The distance for that classifier is…. 10 yards. I don’t know where you’re getting “million miles away from.” I didn’t ask for a retarded diatribe, I asked if you think that guy is using his optic or if he would use his sights. The answer is fuck yes, he is. Despite running that stage at your “point shoot distance” of 7-10 yards. Humans are not dirt piles nor milk jugs. There is a reason CENTER of mass is a thing. There is a reason the A zone gets you more points than the C or D zone on a target. You shoot a guy in the shoulder instead of the heart, you’ve just given him time to kill you. Precision matters, even at close distances. Of course you don’t care because you don’t understand my point, or you brush it off because it shows you to be wrong. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:34:24 PM EDT
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Probably not the first one to say this, but I'll say it anyway.
I have a P365X wearing a Holosun 407K in green. I have an M&P 2.0 Compact 3.6" wearing a Holosun 507K on an adapter plate. I have an M&P 2.0 Full-size 4" wearing a Trijicon RMR that I took off the Compact 3.6". First two are my CCW pistols and the third is for my battle belt. I own a variety of other pistols and they don't wear dots of any variety. For example, I have a Walther PK380 that I don't carry, same goes for a Makarov I just picked up, just a few pistols that honestly don't need dots. I'm good with irons, I'm really good with dots, I have them on my carry guns, no need for more IMHO. I'm eyeing a S&W Model 19 and I don't think I'll be putting a dot on my first revolver, especially one that's not set up to take one 
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:36:28 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine if the RDS naysayers spent time practicing drawing from holster, working on presentation, and dry fired instead of arguing would see themselves improve.. Just say'n. I’d even argue that the quality of practice you can get with a rds makes it potentially cheaper to be proficient with then irons. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:36:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every single guy who says “silly gun game” can’t shoot for fuck. YOU used the figure of 7-10 yards. The distance for that classifier is…. 10 yards. I don’t know where you’re getting “million miles away from.” I didn’t ask for a retarded diatribe, I asked if you think that guy is using his optic or if he would use his sights. The answer is fuck yes, he is. Despite your “point shoot distance” of 7-10 yards. Humans are not dirt piles nor milk jugs. There is a reason CENTER of mass is a thing. There is a reason the A zone gets you more points than the C or D zone on a target. You shoot a guy in the shoulder instead of the heart, you’ve just given him time to kill you. Precision matters, even at close distances. Of course you don’t care because you don’t understand my point, or you brush it off because it shows you to be wrong. Look, if this is six inches (you can't see it, but I'm holding my thumb and pointer finger 6 inches apart according to my wife) then those targets are at at least 30 yards, maybe 50. If humans aren't milk jugs, why are they both full of fluid? |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:36:49 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lmao. Holy crap you have no damn clue what you are talking about. First 99% of all the optics are already turned on and you don't have to touch a button. Your failure to use an optic correctly or get training or help to learn how to use one proves nothing. They are much simpler to use than iron sights. You use them differently and focus on your target with both eyes open and raise your pistol into your view then the dot transposed on your target. We train with the optic occluded fully and the dot will supper impose to your opposite eye and you still make shots extremely effectively, so your point about getting it covered is pointless, and they are waterproof. They are extremely usefull within 25 meters and in, especially with uncommon firing positions where you couldn't get a proper sight picture with irons as you don't need to align all your sights. It is also much faster than iron sights. And iron sights do fail. They break and fall off as well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We need the bingo card: You won’t see your sights in a gunfight. I shoot good enough with irons (despite not owning a timer, training to standards, or having any way to accurately asses performance. I won’t have time to turn it on! Tried it for 20 minutes with no dryfire and couldn’t find the dot so I gave up. What if I get it wet/bbq sauce/someone attacks you with water balloons full of black paint and sand? BULK! No advantage within 25 yards and 99.999999% of gunfights are at nipple-to-nipple distance. ELECTRONIC THINGS BREAK IRONS NEVER FAIL I mean, irons are fine and you can perform at a very high level with them but most of the arguments against optics are just nonsensical. Lmao. Holy crap you have no damn clue what you are talking about. First 99% of all the optics are already turned on and you don't have to touch a button. Your failure to use an optic correctly or get training or help to learn how to use one proves nothing. They are much simpler to use than iron sights. You use them differently and focus on your target with both eyes open and raise your pistol into your view then the dot transposed on your target. We train with the optic occluded fully and the dot will supper impose to your opposite eye and you still make shots extremely effectively, so your point about getting it covered is pointless, and they are waterproof. They are extremely usefull within 25 meters and in, especially with uncommon firing positions where you couldn't get a proper sight picture with irons as you don't need to align all your sights. It is also much faster than iron sights. And iron sights do fail. They break and fall off as well. Uhm.. He is listing the excuses and statements from the naysayers. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:40:53 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d even argue that the quality of practice you can get with a rds makes it potentially cheaper to be proficient with then irons. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Imagine if the RDS naysayers spent time practicing drawing from holster, working on presentation, and dry fired instead of arguing would see themselves improve.. Just say'n. I’d even argue that the quality of practice you can get with a rds makes it potentially cheaper to be proficient with then irons. Some cannot handle when a red dot tells them their presentation sucks. They embrace the warmth of the irons telling them they are close enough. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:41:12 PM EDT
[#28]
The dirty optic thing doesn’t make much sense to me I ankle carry a gun with an optic. It’s not a lot of effort to blow off the lens or hit it with a lens pen it can have some dirt on it and work.
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:41:19 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bro… Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lmao. Holy crap you have no damn clue what you are talking about. First 99% of all the optics are already turned on and you don't have to touch a button. Your failure to use an optic correctly or get training or help to learn how to use one proves nothing. They are much simpler to use than iron sights. You use them differently and focus on your target with both eyes open and raise your pistol into your view then the dot transposed on your target. We train with the optic occluded fully and the dot will supper impose to your opposite eye and you still make shots extremely effectively, so your point about getting it covered is pointless, and they are waterproof. They are extremely ysefull within 25 meters and in, especially with uncommon firing positions where you couldn't get a proper sight picture with irons as you don't need to align all your sights. It is also much faster than iron sights. And iron sights do fail. They break and fall off as well. Bro… 
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:42:07 PM EDT
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the reasons they make ideal carry weapons are small size and light weight. that means adding bulk and weight for something i will likely never use makes no sense. i have spare rds's sitting around too, but i would never put them on my pistol. the same reason i don't put a suppressor nor any other accessory on my pistol, it needs to be small and light and it is only reserved for emergency use and practice for emergencies. in fact, i think my pistol is 17+1, but i only load it to 16+1 or 15+1 (i don't remember). pistols are only gtfo and call the police weapons, they are not a fafo weapon.
the same is true for everything else i don't ever expect to use. i don't add extra padding to my seat belts. i don't add extra hose attachments for my fire extinguisher. i recommend against using a pistol for any serious use. there are much better options for literally every other function. rds on a pistol is huge marketing success, but has no practical application. basically, pcc is everything a pistol is but better. putting a stock on a pistol for recoil and shrinking the ready weapon profile is a huge advantage. which allows for a suppressor and a real optic. speaking of rds, rds is kind of a trash optic anyway. almost always, thermal is better or lpvo. i've literally never seen a thermal on a pistol before. tldr: pistols are trash, with the only redeeming quality being ideal for carry. rds are trash always. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:42:47 PM EDT
[#31]
I can’t believe I almost missed this shit show of retardation.
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:43:37 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Look man… it’s research, ok? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Pulls the "math is hard" card but can't produce a study that shows that "nearly all" are within "a few yards". Pull another statistic out of your office so we can continue to laugh at you! Look man… it’s research, ok? This must be what it was like 25 years ago when Aimpoints became popular... lots of ignoramuses trying very hard to argue against them. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:44:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: the reasons they make ideal carry weapons are small size and light weight. that means adding bulk and weight for something i will likely never use makes no sense. i have spare rds's sitting around too, but i would never put them on my pistol. the same reason i don't put a suppressor nor any other accessory on my pistol, it needs to be small and light and it is only reserved for emergency use and practice for emergencies. in fact, i think my pistol is 17+1, but i only load it to 16+1 or 15+1 (i don't remember). pistols are only gtfo and call the police weapons, they are not a fafo weapon. the same is true for everything else i don't ever expect to use. i don't add extra padding to my seat belts. i don't add extra hose attachments for my fire extinguisher. i recommend against using a pistol for any serious use. there are much better options for literally every other function. rds on a pistol is huge marketing success, but has no practical application. basically, pcc is everything a pistol is but better. putting a stock on a pistol for recoil and shrinking the ready weapon profile is a huge advantage. which allows for a suppressor and a real optic. speaking of rds, rds is kind of a trash optic anyway. almost always, thermal is better or lpvo. i've literally never seen a thermal on a pistol before. tldr: pistols are trash, with the only redeeming quality being ideal for carry. rds are trash always. RDS are like a body lift on a truck. Does very little for actual performance. Makes short guys with small weenies feel tough. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:44:34 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: the reasons they make ideal carry weapons are small size and light weight. that means adding bulk and weight for something i will likely never use makes no sense. i have spare rds's sitting around too, but i would never put them on my pistol. the same reason i don't put a suppressor nor any other accessory on my pistol, it needs to be small and light and it is only reserved for emergency use and practice for emergencies. in fact, i think my pistol is 17+1, but i only load it to 16+1 or 15+1 (i don't remember). pistols are only gtfo and call the police weapons, they are not a fafo weapon. the same is true for everything else i don't ever expect to use. i don't add extra padding to my seat belts. i don't add extra hose attachments for my fire extinguisher. i recommend against using a pistol for any serious use. there are much better options for literally every other function. rds on a pistol is huge marketing success, but has no practical application. basically, pcc is everything a pistol is but better. putting a stock on a pistol for recoil and shrinking the ready weapon profile is a huge advantage. which allows for a suppressor and a real optic. speaking of rds, rds is kind of a trash optic anyway. almost always, thermal is better or lpvo. i've literally never seen a thermal on a pistol before. tldr: pistols are trash, with the only redeeming quality being ideal for carry. rds are trash always. Look at all the bulk this added….I probably need to add a sling. 
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:44:52 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Look, if this is six inches (you can't see it, but I'm holding my thumb and pointer finger 6 inches apart according to my wife) then those targets are at at least 30 yards, maybe 50. If humans aren't milk jugs, why are they both full of fluid? Some humans are more like milk jugs than others.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:45:54 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Look, if this is six inches (you can't see it, but I'm holding my thumb and pointer finger 6 inches apart according to my wife) then those targets are at at least 30 yards, maybe 50. LOL you’re right. They’re 30-50 yards  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:46:07 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: the reasons they make ideal carry weapons are small size and light weight. that means adding bulk and weight for something i will likely never use makes no sense. i have spare rds's sitting around too, but i would never put them on my pistol. the same reason i don't put a suppressor nor any other accessory on my pistol, it needs to be small and light and it is only reserved for emergency use and practice for emergencies. in fact, i think my pistol is 17+1, but i only load it to 16+1 or 15+1 (i don't remember). pistols are only gtfo and call the police weapons, they are not a fafo weapon. the same is true for everything else i don't ever expect to use. i don't add extra padding to my seat belts. i don't add extra hose attachments for my fire extinguisher. i recommend against using a pistol for any serious use. there are much better options for literally every other function. rds on a pistol is huge marketing success, but has no practical application. basically, pcc is everything a pistol is but better. putting a stock on a pistol for recoil and shrinking the ready weapon profile is a huge advantage. which allows for a suppressor and a real optic. speaking of rds, rds is kind of a trash optic anyway. almost always, thermal is better or lpvo. i've literally never seen a thermal on a pistol before. tldr: pistols are trash, with the only redeeming quality being ideal for carry. rds are trash always. whatisthisicanteven |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:46:29 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: the reasons they make ideal carry weapons are small size and light weight. that means adding bulk and weight for something i will likely never use makes no sense. i have spare rds's sitting around too, but i would never put them on my pistol. the same reason i don't put a suppressor nor any other accessory on my pistol, it needs to be small and light and it is only reserved for emergency use and practice for emergencies. in fact, i think my pistol is 17+1, but i only load it to 16+1 or 15+1 (i don't remember). pistols are only gtfo and call the police weapons, they are not a fafo weapon. the same is true for everything else i don't ever expect to use. i don't add extra padding to my seat belts. i don't add extra hose attachments for my fire extinguisher. i recommend against using a pistol for any serious use. there are much better options for literally every other function. rds on a pistol is huge marketing success, but has no practical application. basically, pcc is everything a pistol is but better. putting a stock on a pistol for recoil and shrinking the ready weapon profile is a huge advantage. which allows for a suppressor and a real optic. speaking of rds, rds is kind of a trash optic anyway. almost always, thermal is better or lpvo. i've literally never seen a thermal on a pistol before. tldr: pistols are trash, with the only redeeming quality being ideal for carry. rds are trash always. #BULK |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:46:48 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: RDS are like a body lift on a truck. Does very little for actual performance. Makes short guys with small weenies feel tough. Then why is there such a large difference in performance when you’re tracking results? |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:47:05 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: the reasons they make ideal carry weapons are small size and light weight. that means adding bulk and weight for something i will likely never use makes no sense. i have spare rds's sitting around too, but i would never put them on my pistol. the same reason i don't put a suppressor nor any other accessory on my pistol, it needs to be small and light and it is only reserved for emergency use and practice for emergencies. in fact, i think my pistol is 17+1, but i only load it to 16+1 or 15+1 (i don't remember). pistols are only gtfo and call the police weapons, they are not a fafo weapon. the same is true for everything else i don't ever expect to use. i don't add extra padding to my seat belts. i don't add extra hose attachments for my fire extinguisher. i recommend against using a pistol for any serious use. there are much better options for literally every other function. rds on a pistol is huge marketing success, but has no practical application. basically, pcc is everything a pistol is but better. putting a stock on a pistol for recoil and shrinking the ready weapon profile is a huge advantage. which allows for a suppressor and a real optic. speaking of rds, rds is kind of a trash optic anyway. almost always, thermal is better or lpvo. i've literally never seen a thermal on a pistol before. tldr: pistols are trash, with the only redeeming quality being ideal for carry. rds are trash always.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:47:42 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This must be what it was like 25 years ago when Aimpoints became popular... lots of ignoramuses trying very hard to argue against them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Pulls the "math is hard" card but can't produce a study that shows that "nearly all" are within "a few yards". Pull another statistic out of your office so we can continue to laugh at you! Look man… it’s research, ok? This must be what it was like 25 years ago when Aimpoints became popular... lots of ignoramuses trying very hard to argue against them. It was exactly like this in the early 2000's with rifles. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:48:27 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: the reasons they make ideal carry weapons are small size and light weight. that means adding bulk and weight for something i will likely never use makes no sense. i have spare rds's sitting around too, but i would never put them on my pistol. the same reason i don't put a suppressor nor any other accessory on my pistol, it needs to be small and light and it is only reserved for emergency use and practice for emergencies. in fact, i think my pistol is 17+1, but i only load it to 16+1 or 15+1 (i don't remember). pistols are only gtfo and call the police weapons, they are not a fafo weapon. the same is true for everything else i don't ever expect to use. i don't add extra padding to my seat belts. i don't add extra hose attachments for my fire extinguisher. i recommend against using a pistol for any serious use. there are much better options for literally every other function. rds on a pistol is huge marketing success, but has no practical application. basically, pcc is everything a pistol is but better. putting a stock on a pistol for recoil and shrinking the ready weapon profile is a huge advantage. which allows for a suppressor and a real optic. speaking of rds, rds is kind of a trash optic anyway. almost always, thermal is better or lpvo. i've literally never seen a thermal on a pistol before. tldr: pistols are trash, with the only redeeming quality being ideal for carry. rds are trash always. 
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:49:00 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Then why is there such a large difference in performance when you’re tracking results? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: RDS are like a body lift on a truck. Does very little for actual performance. Makes short guys with small weenies feel tough. Then why is there such a large difference in performance when you’re tracking results? When I lifted my 2wd truck my dick grew 2 inches. Facts. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:49:00 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It was exactly like this in the early 2000's with rifles. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Pulls the "math is hard" card but can't produce a study that shows that "nearly all" are within "a few yards". Pull another statistic out of your office so we can continue to laugh at you! Look man… it’s research, ok? This must be what it was like 25 years ago when Aimpoints became popular... lots of ignoramuses trying very hard to argue against them. It was exactly like this in the early 2000's with rifles.  different decade, same dolts
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:49:36 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: RDS are like a body lift on a truck. Does very little for actual performance. Makes short guys with small weenies feel tough. Then why are the RDS bros beating your irons at matches? |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:50:02 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Look at all the bulk this added….I probably need to add a sling. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/397309/832B67D2-FFDD-4EF9-85BC-7F9E0B77ACD0-2443399.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: the reasons they make ideal carry weapons are small size and light weight. that means adding bulk and weight for something i will likely never use makes no sense. i have spare rds's sitting around too, but i would never put them on my pistol. the same reason i don't put a suppressor nor any other accessory on my pistol, it needs to be small and light and it is only reserved for emergency use and practice for emergencies. in fact, i think my pistol is 17+1, but i only load it to 16+1 or 15+1 (i don't remember). pistols are only gtfo and call the police weapons, they are not a fafo weapon. the same is true for everything else i don't ever expect to use. i don't add extra padding to my seat belts. i don't add extra hose attachments for my fire extinguisher. i recommend against using a pistol for any serious use. there are much better options for literally every other function. rds on a pistol is huge marketing success, but has no practical application. basically, pcc is everything a pistol is but better. putting a stock on a pistol for recoil and shrinking the ready weapon profile is a huge advantage. which allows for a suppressor and a real optic. speaking of rds, rds is kind of a trash optic anyway. almost always, thermal is better or lpvo. i've literally never seen a thermal on a pistol before. tldr: pistols are trash, with the only redeeming quality being ideal for carry. rds are trash always. Look at all the bulk this added….I probably need to add a sling. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/397309/832B67D2-FFDD-4EF9-85BC-7F9E0B77ACD0-2443399.jpg How do you even carry that?
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:50:08 PM EDT
[#47]
How will your dot handle black paint and sand?
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:51:48 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you even carry that? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: the reasons they make ideal carry weapons are small size and light weight. that means adding bulk and weight for something i will likely never use makes no sense. i have spare rds's sitting around too, but i would never put them on my pistol. the same reason i don't put a suppressor nor any other accessory on my pistol, it needs to be small and light and it is only reserved for emergency use and practice for emergencies. in fact, i think my pistol is 17+1, but i only load it to 16+1 or 15+1 (i don't remember). pistols are only gtfo and call the police weapons, they are not a fafo weapon. the same is true for everything else i don't ever expect to use. i don't add extra padding to my seat belts. i don't add extra hose attachments for my fire extinguisher. i recommend against using a pistol for any serious use. there are much better options for literally every other function. rds on a pistol is huge marketing success, but has no practical application. basically, pcc is everything a pistol is but better. putting a stock on a pistol for recoil and shrinking the ready weapon profile is a huge advantage. which allows for a suppressor and a real optic. speaking of rds, rds is kind of a trash optic anyway. almost always, thermal is better or lpvo. i've literally never seen a thermal on a pistol before. tldr: pistols are trash, with the only redeeming quality being ideal for carry. rds are trash always. Look at all the bulk this added….I probably need to add a sling. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/397309/832B67D2-FFDD-4EF9-85BC-7F9E0B77ACD0-2443399.jpg How do you even carry that? I died 3 times just today….but I was only mostly dead.
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:52:06 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When I lifted my 2wd truck my dick grew 2 inches. Facts. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: RDS are like a body lift on a truck. Does very little for actual performance. Makes short guys with small weenies feel tough. Then why is there such a large difference in performance when you’re tracking results? When I lifted my 2wd truck my dick grew 2 inches. Facts. 2 extra inches of #bulk 
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:52:06 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How will your dot handle black paint and sand? WHAT IF SOMEONE RUNS MUH OPTIC UNDER THE FAUCET |
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