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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:43:39 PM EST
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I haven't read this entire thread. If someone did it on purpose, yeah that's pretty shitty. If it was an accident then it was an accident. The French people are willingly destroying their own culture through their importation of third-world migrants. The loss of a building is the least of their problems. The broad brush is stupid. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:44:10 PM EST
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My memory was off, they don’t celebrate on Monday but it’s an official Holiday so they get Monday off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don’t the French celebrate Easter on Monday? Wouldn’t today be the start of Holy Week for them? |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:44:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Empire State Building took 13 months, from breaking ground to occupying offices. How long would that take, now? Lots of folks here saying that they can rebuild it and today's artisans will be the ones to do it but in reality they may have an idea of how the thing was built but no one alive today world really have the skill and experience of what it takes to build this thing again. They will need an army of such people. 
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:44:47 PM EST
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I'm late on this story and about to read this thread. Knowing GD is going to GD, I'm sure the conspiracy theorist/Muslims did it! has started here since it's all over the news article comment section...and GD has much of the same types of people. I'll file it away with the tweets someone posted in this thread wherein very numerous muslims were tweeting grinning smilies in response to the burning of Notre Dame Cathedral. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:45:00 PM EST
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Conflicting info regarding art and relics.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:45:13 PM EST
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While I'm no fan of the ROP, lets knock off the ROP conspiracy theories for now please. There's zero evidence of such at this time. It just makes this forum look like a bunch of loons. May not turn out to be the case, but people cannot be blamed for thinking it. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:45:28 PM EST
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i just got here.. I'm thinking some construction accident .... someones insurance company is gonna feel the heat for this..
or it could be 'that other thing'...
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:45:32 PM EST
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Guess what you can do with the bottle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:46:09 PM EST
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I am shocked a building of such importance and size didn’t have a sprinkler/fire suppression system installed. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:46:33 PM EST
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I haven't read this entire thread. If someone did it on purpose, yeah that's pretty shitty. If it was an accident then it was an accident. The French people are willingly destroying their own culture through their importation of third-world migrants. The loss of a building is the least of their problems. 
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:46:46 PM EST
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As long as the stone frame remains intact, there is always hope of rebuilding it. This is a church building in Utah that burned completely to the stone/brick walls. Although this is a much smaller building, they were able to stabilize it and rebuild. Here it is on stilts as they poured a new stronger foundation. https://www.ldsdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/20-Little-Known-Facts-About-The-Provo-City-Center-Temple-660x330.jpg It's now an LDS church Tabernacle. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:47:04 PM EST
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Guys.... yesterday was Palm Sunday. This week is a Holy week. I SERIOUSLY doubt they have construction going on right now. Let's be real here. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:47:05 PM EST
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reported to be due to renovation construction. fire out. no injuries. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:47:06 PM EST
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Heavy security inside the cathedral. Unsecured scaffolding with probably no security outside. After hours when no ones working. Like another poster said, there's not a lot of welding or shit like that. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:47:11 PM EST
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My memory was off, they don’t celebrate on Monday but it’s an official Holiday so they get Monday off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don’t the French celebrate Easter on Monday? Wouldn’t today be the start of Holy Week for them? 22 AprMonEaster Monday 1 MayWedLabour Day |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:47:17 PM EST
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I don't know why this is affecting me at all, but I'm pretty upset about it.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:47:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. Lots of folks here saying that they can rebuild it and today's artisans will be the ones to do it but in reality they may have an idea of how the thing was built but no one alive today world really have the skill and experience of what it takes to build this thing again. They will need an army of such people. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:47:41 PM EST
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Very sad to see. My wife and I have not yet been to Europe and would have loved to see the cathedral.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:47:44 PM EST
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Ok, I relent. I believe this was ROPers
3 Days ago: ROPer sentenced for attempting to torch Notre Dame |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:48:44 PM EST
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The fire appears to be working pretty heavy in the bell towers.
And all that scaffolding will probably not be able to hold itself up for a whole lot longer. When it goes it will probably take some of the walls with it. I fear there isn't going to be much left and hope that it doesn't spread to nearby buildings or hurt someone when things collapse.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:49:03 PM EST
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Nope. In this day and time it's a perfectly reasonable assumption, given their history and their desire for world domination. May not turn out to be the case, but people cannot be blamed for thinking it. 
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:49:06 PM EST
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Yup. Lots of folks here saying that they can rebuild it and today's artisans will be the ones to do it but in reality they may have an idea of how the thing was built but no one alive today world really have the skill and experience of what it takes to build this thing again. They will need an army of such people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The Empire State Building took 13 months, from breaking ground to occupying offices. How long would that take, now? Lots of folks here saying that they can rebuild it and today's artisans will be the ones to do it but in reality they may have an idea of how the thing was built but no one alive today world really have the skill and experience of what it takes to build this thing again. They will need an army of such people.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:49:25 PM EST
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Fire is not out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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reported to be due to renovation construction. fire out. no injuries. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:49:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Empire State Building took 13 months, from breaking ground to occupying offices. How long would that take, now? |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:49:43 PM EST
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Are YOU doing it? The broad brush is stupid. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I haven't read this entire thread. If someone did it on purpose, yeah that's pretty shitty. If it was an accident then it was an accident. The French people are willingly destroying their own culture through their importation of third-world migrants. The loss of a building is the least of their problems. The broad brush is stupid. The policy of third-world importation may be implemented by government without explicit support of the citizenry. Thus it may be unfair to judge a people by its government. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:49:44 PM EST
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Heavy security inside the cathedral. Unsecured scaffolding with probably no security outside. After hours when no ones working. Like another poster said, there's not a lot of welding or shit like that. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:50:10 PM EST
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i just got here.. I'm thinking some construction accident .... someones insurance company is gonna feel the heat for this.. or it could be 'that other thing'... |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:50:24 PM EST
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Where is the video of the RoPers Snackbarring and celebrating
You know some are |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:50:34 PM EST
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Was in Paris last fall. We didn't get to see everything. It was my second time, but she is on the edge of tears. During the French revolution the church was stripped of property and power. Napoleon's troops were less than kind to churches in countries they invaded, using them as stables. My first thought was to wonder if one of the rioters struck a match. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:50:55 PM EST
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I don't know why this is affecting me at all, but I'm pretty upset about it. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:51:10 PM EST
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reported to be due to renovation construction. fire out. no injuries. My guess is to keep the population from going out and burning every mosque in France to the ground for revenge |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:51:11 PM EST
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The fire appears to be working pretty heavy in the bell towers. And all that scaffolding will probably not be able to hold itself up for a whole lot longer. When it goes it will probably take some of the walls with it. I fear there isn't going to be much left and hope that it doesn't spread to nearby buildings or hurt someone when things collapse. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:51:17 PM EST
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Guys.... yesterday was Palm Sunday. This week is a Holy week. I SERIOUSLY doubt they have construction going on right now. Let's be real here. The scaffolding would certainly enable other than workers to reach places normally inaccessible. No idea what security is like, especially during Holy Week and control of access to construction areas. No idea if the French are as camera obsessed as the Brits. Being one of the most highly photographed buildings in history, it is likely that assembling tourist photographs from the time the fire started will quickly pinpoint the origin, and presence or absence of workers in the vicinity in hours preceding. Whether it was accident or intentional, the reactions of joy and laughter by *some* people on social media will not endear them to the French and rest of the civilized world. Not unlike *some* people celebrating 9/11 or any other attack or accident that befalls the west. Big events often start with the smallest of events. Mrs. OLeary's cow kicking over the lantern et al. Civilization is lessened by this greatly.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:52:01 PM EST
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Wouldn't be amazing if the "holy relics" were found after it is all over with no damage?
I would not be surprised to see someone make fakes and bring them out and say that that is what happened. But if a piece of wood purported to be from the cross were indeed found to be unscathed among everything else that was burned, that would be interesting indeed. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:52:05 PM EST
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Terrible event, I hope that the authorities can find the real cause of the fire and apply lessons learned to other historical restoration projects for the future.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:52:21 PM EST
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Fucking tragedy.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:52:32 PM EST
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I don't know why this is affecting me at all, but I'm pretty upset about it. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:53:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump hasn't been burning down and desecrating churches in France for the past year. https://i.redd.it/sjueh3wbdhs21.jpg MSM... |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:53:29 PM EST
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Thanks for dropping by and signaling your virtue with that useless comment. I'll file it away with the tweets someone posted in this thread wherein very numerous muslims were tweeting grinning smilies in response to the burning of Notre Dame Cathedral. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm late on this story and about to read this thread. Knowing GD is going to GD, I'm sure the conspiracy theorist/Muslims did it! has started here since it's all over the news article comment section...and GD has much of the same types of people. I'll file it away with the tweets someone posted in this thread wherein very numerous muslims were tweeting grinning smilies in response to the burning of Notre Dame Cathedral. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:53:48 PM EST
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Folks studied for a lifetime under guild masters in order to garner the necessary skills. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Yup. Lots of folks here saying that they can rebuild it and today's artisans will be the ones to do it but in reality they may have an idea of how the thing was built but no one alive today world really have the skill and experience of what it takes to build this thing again. They will need an army of such people. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:54:19 PM EST
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Curious. . .if it is ROP, would they even tell us?
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:54:37 PM EST
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That scaffolding has held up remarkably well.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:54:47 PM EST
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Truly tragic. I was there in October of 2014, and it was a moving experience. I'm not even Catholic or religious. Just a beautiful structure full of history.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:55:02 PM EST
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Hell, if Jack Daniels can have a full fire station you'd think they'd have some fire apparatus and staff onsite at the cathedral. It was crawling with cops and security, but no firefighters I guess. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am shocked a building of such importance and size didn't have a sprinkler/fire suppression system installed. They said there was a "large amount" of water stored up on the roof for fire suppression. evidently the system failed... or maybe was drained as part of the roof maintenance that was happening. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:55:13 PM EST
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Oh, I'll bet the search through CCTV records is ongoing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:55:33 PM EST
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This is a very big loss even if you aren't religious. A lot of history and art getting burned up is never a good thing.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:55:39 PM EST
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As I watch this I can't help but feel like I'm watching France's 9-11.
First, there have been multiple muslim terrorist threats on the building and attack attempts. Clearly it's a major target. It's the beginning of Catholicism's holy week... doesn't make sense that renovation work would be happening during the busiest week of the year for the cathedral and obviously timing plays into a terrorist act too. If it turns out to be a stupid worker making sparks and that Notre Dame's attic was a tinderbox ready to go up in flames I'll breathe a surprised sigh of relief but my gut tells me something else happened... |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:56:13 PM EST
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I don't see how any of these major artifacts got destroyed without someone running in there like it was as burning man event to grab that shit.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:56:23 PM EST
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Probably deleting footage so fast the hard drive may explode. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 2:56:36 PM EST
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While I'm no fan of the ROP, lets knock off the ROP conspiracy theories for now please. There's zero evidence of such at this time. It just makes this forum look like a bunch of loons. Up to a dozen churches torched or vandalized per week. This did not happen in a vacuum. Timing between the fire and the last tour group to go through is a giant red flag. |
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