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Posted: 8/29/2018 11:35:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who the hell puts a school next to a prison? |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 11:35:12 AM EST
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someone dumps fentanyl into the air ducts... but one prisoner has already taken the antidote, narcan, which was smuggled in previously... he mimics the symptoms... they evacuate the affected staff and prisoners, take them to the hospital, and he makes his escape. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jailbreak? but one prisoner has already taken the antidote, narcan, which was smuggled in previously... he mimics the symptoms... they evacuate the affected staff and prisoners, take them to the hospital, and he makes his escape. Prisoners being transported will be escorted. Their life expectancy if they do try an escape is pretty low considering the events of the day. Nobody will be in much of a mood for bull shit and this isn't a part of the country where anyone will be terribly concerned about a use of force on someone trying to escape even on a good day. Inmates hate it at RCI and Lucasville because they're surrounded by hillbillies with guns, among other reasons. I'm betting on a botched smuggling attempt. I don't remember if RCI has central air or not. Doesn't now, that's for dang sure. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 11:41:57 AM EST
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https://imgur.com/gallery/E1L0O3l
If you've seen V for Vendetta, seems a familiar plot.... ETA, Imgur sucks for trying post pics here. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 11:45:30 AM EST
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You can get Narcan over the counter in some states now. It's pricey though. Anybody know of a place to get it cheap/free in Texas? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you have to ask you don't rate.  Anybody know of a place to get it cheap/free in Texas? |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 11:51:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://imgur.com/gallery/E1L0O3l If you've seen V for Vendetta, seems a familiar plot.... ETA, Imgur sucks for trying post pics here. 
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Posted: 8/29/2018 11:54:47 AM EST
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What’s the update?
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Posted: 8/29/2018 12:01:45 PM EST
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What’s the update? No word on casualties, information is coming out very slowly, press conference with local hospital & OSP and maybe state prisons at or around 1.30 today. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 12:15:13 PM EST
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I told him to not hide it in the air vent. Fucking ducts cut the bags every time. Came here to post this. Clusterfuck. Not an attack. Probably 2 COs involved. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 12:16:11 PM EST
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Back in my day we weren’t pussies and mainlined that shit like real men. Kids today faint over just the sight of it. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 12:17:53 PM EST
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He's not being serious. But you can get it OTC in 47 states. https://cvshealth.com/thought-leadership/naloxone-opioid-overdose-reversal-medication Interesting. Cost? Shelf life? |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 12:17:58 PM EST
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Would I be safe in assuming a gas mask would prevent inhalation? I don't know what they are capable of filtering..
Or can you be affected by skin contact also? |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 12:19:45 PM EST
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Would I be safe in assuming a gas mask would prevent inhalation? I don't know what they are capable of filtering.. Or can you be affected by skin contact also? |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 12:20:03 PM EST
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Would I be safe in assuming a gas mask would prevent inhalation? I don't know what they are capable of filtering.. Or can you be affected by skin contact also? |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 12:20:17 PM EST
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20+ transported to local ER, 170+ is what I'm hearing that were treated on scene. No word on casualties, information is coming out very slowly, press conference with local hospital & OSP and maybe state prisons at or around 1.30 today. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What’s the update? No word on casualties, information is coming out very slowly, press conference with local hospital & OSP and maybe state prisons at or around 1.30 today. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 12:20:34 PM EST
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That’s why I practice admin injection, speed injection, and tactical injection. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 12:22:11 PM EST
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Would I be safe in assuming a gas mask would prevent inhalation? I don't know what they are capable of filtering.. Or can you be affected by skin contact also? Cops were getting zapped by laced flyers under their squad car wipers in Houston. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 12:27:06 PM EST
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There's a billboard in Flint urging people to do this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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how long until we have to EDC narcan? (seriously question) |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 12:28:15 PM EST
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Also, Narcan is not guaranteed to prevent overdose. Depending on the dosage of fentanyl it will outlast the naloxone. Once that wears off you can slip right back into OD when your opiate receptors open up again. Dangerous stuff, but not on the same level as carfentanil.
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Posted: 8/29/2018 12:33:37 PM EST
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So if a fentanyl or related attack were to take place in a major area, with significant airborne dispersal, a SCBA wouldn’t be enough to protect you? You’d need a hazmat suit in conjunction to prevent transdermal absorption?
Sheesh...I guess there are some things you just can’t prepare for. Other than by not living in a city 
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Posted: 8/29/2018 12:35:06 PM EST
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Would I be safe in assuming a gas mask would prevent inhalation? I don't know what they are capable of filtering.. Or can you be affected by skin contact also? |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 12:35:37 PM EST
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We're not interested in your sex life. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That’s why I practice admin injection, speed injection, and tactical injection. 
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Posted: 8/29/2018 12:37:40 PM EST
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snip.... I'm betting on a botched smuggling attempt. I don't remember if RCI has central air or not. Doesn't now, that's for dang sure. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 12:37:43 PM EST
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So if a fentanyl or related attack were to take place in a major area, with significant airborne dispersal, a SCBA wouldn’t be enough to protect you? You’d need a hazmat suit in conjunction to prevent transdermal absorption? Sheesh...I guess there are some things you just can’t prepare for. Other than by not living in a city |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 12:37:44 PM EST
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Sounds like it is time to add Narcan to medical aid bags to join the bleeder kits
If you were in a contaminated area, administered narcan to yourself/family member, would self egress be possible? Tyvek suits, N95 masks help? Spooky |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 12:41:33 PM EST
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Yes it can be absorbed through the skin i.e. fentanyl patches for pain management. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would I be safe in assuming a gas mask would prevent inhalation? I don't know what they are capable of filtering.. Or can you be affected by skin contact also? |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 12:43:04 PM EST
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So if a fentanyl or related attack were to take place in a major area, with significant airborne dispersal, a SCBA wouldn't be enough to protect you? You'd need a hazmat suit in conjunction to prevent transdermal absorption? Sheesh...I guess there are some things you just can't prepare for. Other than by not living in a city |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 12:46:42 PM EST
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No you didn't. 
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Posted: 8/29/2018 12:48:27 PM EST
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Test, not target. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In for verification......A prison seems a strange target. Great way to test lethality and delivery methods. The radical in Canada who's brother was in a coma from it had enough to Kill many thousands of people..... They played it off like it was a run of the mill drug bust..... only it was more likely a terrorist cache. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 12:50:21 PM EST
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No shit. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 12:52:50 PM EST
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19 were transported to local hospital, but the number affected and treated on the scene seems to be way higher. Giant decontamination system at the correctional facility and hospital. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Interesting. Any other news about it? Twitter seems to be on 24 victims as the amount of people affected, but not many other updates |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 12:55:41 PM EST
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The sarcasm is sailing over a few heads. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 12:58:38 PM EST
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how long until we have to EDC narcan? (seriously question) |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 12:58:39 PM EST
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Would I be safe in assuming a gas mask would prevent inhalation? I don't know what they are capable of filtering.. Or can you be affected by skin contact also? One officer needed 3 doses to counteract a tiny amount of Carfentanil that got on his uniform during a bust. Didn't affect him on site. Someone mentioned some 'dirt' on his uniform back at the station, he brushed it off with his hand without thinking about it. Symptoms hit very quickly. Luckily for him, it happened at the station. If he'd made it home, it would've potentially killed him or his wife. SOP now is to avoid ANY contact with unknown powdered substances. Protection would require at the very least N95 or better respirator + Hazmat suit for powdered sources. Full self-contained air supply + Hazmat suit depending on mode of aerosolized delivery (eg. The way the Russkies used it). Decon of the prison is going to be a PITA. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 12:58:43 PM EST
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So serious question....
If fentanyl and the other drug are so potent that exposure to it (even incidental) results in od and death, how the heck can druggies take it? |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 1:00:31 PM EST
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So serious question.... If fentanyl and the other drug are so potent that exposure to it (even incidental) results in od and death, how the heck can druggies take it? |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 1:01:14 PM EST
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I asked that in another thread a while ago. Apparently it's useless for that purpose because you need to keep administering narcan until the opioid has been metabolized from your system, which takes a lot longer than the initial dose of narcan will last. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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how long until we have to EDC narcan? (seriously question) |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 1:05:35 PM EST
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The potential purpose of EDC'ing Narcan is to dose yourself/affected individual, to keep them alive long enough to get to medical help/observation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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how long until we have to EDC narcan? (seriously question) |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 1:06:30 PM EST
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Interesting. Any other news about it? Twitter seems to be on 24 victims as the amount of people affected, but not many other updates |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 1:09:48 PM EST
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@SmilingBandit Interesting. Cost? Shelf life? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He's not being serious. But you can get it OTC in 47 states. https://cvshealth.com/thought-leadership/naloxone-opioid-overdose-reversal-medication Interesting. Cost? Shelf life? As ConKeeper mentioned you may need more than one from either a dosing or redosing perspective depending on what your use case is. Shelf life is about two years, but it depends on how fresh of a package you get. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 1:10:08 PM EST
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Same way they take good old heroin, It's diluted with baby formula and exlax. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 1:10:30 PM EST
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someone dumps fentanyl into the air ducts... but one prisoner has already taken the antidote, narcan, which was smuggled in previously... he mimics the symptoms... they evacuate the affected staff and prisoners, take them to the hospital, and he makes his escape. Symptoms would be hard to mimic, probably could fool initial triage though. However, escaping from the ER in full cuffs and chains is harder than it may seem. Looking forward to more facts on the case, sounds more plausible as a mistake than an attack at th his point, but anything is possible. Fentanyl isnt a great choice for chemical warfare either, but that doesn't stop people from trying. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 1:12:37 PM EST
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In a mass exposure incident everyone is pretty much fucked. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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how long until we have to EDC narcan? (seriously question) ETA: Personally the more scary stuff is still an organophosphate attack since there's only so much atropine around and there aren't a lot of good plan B's. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 1:22:27 PM EST
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Fentynal should carry the death penalty if you are dealing that shit. That stuff is extremely lethal.
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Posted: 8/29/2018 1:25:01 PM EST
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Fentynal should carry the death penalty if you are dealing that shit. That stuff is extremely lethal. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 1:25:43 PM EST
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The same type of person who puts a waste treatment facility next to a playground. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/29/2018 1:26:34 PM EST
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So is water in the right quantities and alcohol and sun and....the list goes on Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fentynal should carry the death penalty if you are dealing that shit. That stuff is extremely lethal. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 1:26:54 PM EST
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Posted: 8/29/2018 1:32:25 PM EST
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Or main water intakes downstream of 40 year old storage tanks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/29/2018 1:33:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no comparison imo. This stuff could be weaponized. But I'm in for harsher punishment for dealers in general. Also, looking at that press release, this may not have even been fentanyl at all. |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 1:36:21 PM EST
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The decon team is going to take all their pruno, happy socks, and shivs.
Kharn |
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