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Posted: 4/28/2021 8:34:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On the plus slide, he now has slings for nine more XM177 builds!   |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 9:04:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This thread makes me want to watch Heat, and start moving parts around to make my 16" a full flattop and 12.5" a carry handle/A2 setup. Sigh. You’re welcome! 
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Posted: 4/28/2021 10:39:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I passed on the last batch of C7 uppers because of the reports that the carry handle was machined off center. Hopefully the next batch will be done soon and correctly. Maybe I'm barking up the wrong trees and I need to give NoDak a call, can't see them putting something like that out. |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 10:46:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know, was joking. My first ar was a ban era bushy. A2 upper, pinned stock, ak74 muzzle brake, shaved bayo lug. Still have it. But is it purple? |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 10:52:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is cool, yet I cannot overstate how much I hate optics mounted to carry handles. I need to find the photo of my Colt M16A2 with Colt 4X from my Operation Able-Sentry UNPROFOR deployment 1993-94, We were about halfway through our rotation when BHD happened, the Marine Task Force in the Adriatic were pulled to go Somalia.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 10:54:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe I'm barking up the wrong trees and I need to give NoDak a call, can't see them putting something like that out. |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 10:58:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah. Having to order ten of them is BS. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Those are the ones I got....I assume they are used on duffle bags and the like. Ordered from here https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/us-military-surplus-carry-straps-10-pack-used?a=2192471 https://image.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/7/707678_ts.jpg |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 11:01:16 PM EST
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Posted: 4/28/2021 11:04:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They come on 2qt Canteen Pouch |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 12:04:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It wasn't their product. I was implying that NoDak wouldn't likely have the same issues and that maybe I would be better off trying to find some from them |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 6:13:39 AM EST
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We don't offer a C7 upper.
But 653's and early 723's used M16A1 uppers.  |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 6:28:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh bullshit! Shaka Zulu- 25% Blackhawk down- 25% Blood Diamond- 25% Forgotten weapons- 60% Duh! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's sad that 90% of what GD knows about Africa came from that movie. Oh bullshit! Shaka Zulu- 25% Blackhawk down- 25% Blood Diamond- 25% Forgotten weapons- 60% Duh!  Wild Geese 87% |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 6:34:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Both barrel profiles were used on the 733, IIRC. Both the C7 and A2 style uppers were used as well. Early ones could have A1 lowers or the aluminum 2nd gen. stock with 2-position buffer tube. Most used the 3rd gen. plastic stock. The gun in the movie has an A2 upper, A1 lower, aluminum stock, 2-position tube, and a barrel that doesn't correspond to a real profile, as it is a cut down 20" barrel; from the GBJ forward it seems intermediate between Government and pencil profile (I'd go with pencil were I to do a clone build). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Do you have any experience doing business with them? Does anyone else? They have two that are essential what I am wanting to build, assuming they are GTG may as well just buy rather than searching all over for unobtanium parts. https://www.tntesales.com/c7-11-5-commando-lite-hammer-forged-upper/ https://www.tntesales.com/c7-733-11-5-commando-hammer-forged-upper/ I don't really have any interest in clones. More just looking for an A1 based KISS pistol. Of the two uppers linked, the "lite" one would be correct for the 733, based on it having the thinner barrel profile, right? Their A2 Blood Diamond upper is a couple hundred cheaper, but I figure if I'm gonna do it I may as well go as correct as possible with the lighter barrel profile and A1 upper. Both barrel profiles were used on the 733, IIRC. Both the C7 and A2 style uppers were used as well. Early ones could have A1 lowers or the aluminum 2nd gen. stock with 2-position buffer tube. Most used the 3rd gen. plastic stock. The gun in the movie has an A2 upper, A1 lower, aluminum stock, 2-position tube, and a barrel that doesn't correspond to a real profile, as it is a cut down 20" barrel; from the GBJ forward it seems intermediate between Government and pencil profile (I'd go with pencil were I to do a clone build). Thanks for the breakdown. I'm more interested in going for an early-ish 733 "Heat" clone, and liked the idea of getting the upper as light as possible, so went with their C7 upper and lite barrel option. C7 11.5 Commando Lite Hammer Forged Upper ETA: also picked up a two position receiver extension and polymer stock from Retrorifles. They have the aluminum in stock, but 200+ seemed a bit over the top since it won't be going on a clone correct lower. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 6:49:40 AM EST
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>IMPLYING
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Posted: 4/29/2021 3:26:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for the breakdown. I'm more interested in going for an early-ish 733 "Heat" clone, and liked the idea of getting the upper as light as possible, so went with their C7 upper and lite barrel option. C7 11.5 Commando Lite Hammer Forged Upper ETA: also picked up a two position receiver extension and polymer stock from Retrofifles. They have the aluminum in stock, but 200+ seemed a bit over the top since it won't be going on a clone correct lower. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Do you have any experience doing business with them? Does anyone else? They have two that are essential what I am wanting to build, assuming they are GTG may as well just buy rather than searching all over for unobtanium parts. https://www.tntesales.com/c7-11-5-commando-lite-hammer-forged-upper/ https://www.tntesales.com/c7-733-11-5-commando-hammer-forged-upper/ I don't really have any interest in clones. More just looking for an A1 based KISS pistol. Of the two uppers linked, the "lite" one would be correct for the 733, based on it having the thinner barrel profile, right? Their A2 Blood Diamond upper is a couple hundred cheaper, but I figure if I'm gonna do it I may as well go as correct as possible with the lighter barrel profile and A1 upper. Both barrel profiles were used on the 733, IIRC. Both the C7 and A2 style uppers were used as well. Early ones could have A1 lowers or the aluminum 2nd gen. stock with 2-position buffer tube. Most used the 3rd gen. plastic stock. The gun in the movie has an A2 upper, A1 lower, aluminum stock, 2-position tube, and a barrel that doesn't correspond to a real profile, as it is a cut down 20" barrel; from the GBJ forward it seems intermediate between Government and pencil profile (I'd go with pencil were I to do a clone build). Thanks for the breakdown. I'm more interested in going for an early-ish 733 "Heat" clone, and liked the idea of getting the upper as light as possible, so went with their C7 upper and lite barrel option. C7 11.5 Commando Lite Hammer Forged Upper ETA: also picked up a two position receiver extension and polymer stock from Retrofifles. They have the aluminum in stock, but 200+ seemed a bit over the top since it won't be going on a clone correct lower. I thought that an aluminum stock would be cool for my most recent build, pictured earlier, but considering it's not a clone and a goal was to keep price down, it did cost too much for me as well, so I went with the plastic. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 4:21:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for the breakdown. I'm more interested in going for an early-ish 733 "Heat" clone, and liked the idea of getting the upper as light as possible, so went with their C7 upper and lite barrel option. C7 11.5 Commando Lite Hammer Forged Upper ETA: also picked up a two position receiver extension and polymer stock from Retrofifles. They have the aluminum in stock, but 200+ seemed a bit over the top since it won't be going on a clone correct lower. The N1 stock is more correct for a 733 anyway; while you can occasionally see them with the earlier vinyl acetate coated aluminum stocks, the majority of them had the polymer "Fiberlite" types. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 4:25:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for the breakdown. I'm more interested in going for an early-ish 733 "Heat" clone, and liked the idea of getting the upper as light as possible, so went with their C7 upper and lite barrel option. C7 11.5 Commando Lite Hammer Forged Upper ETA: also picked up a two position receiver extension and polymer stock from Retrofifles. They have the aluminum in stock, but 200+ seemed a bit over the top since it won't be going on a clone correct lower. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 4:30:00 PM EST
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I wish C7 uppers were easy to find, I don’t like prebuilt uppers since I tend to get high end stuff on critical parts. Next clone-ish gun, if I find C7 upper will end up with a sand cutter bolt and hodge barrel (if I can work in a proper front sight base).
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Posted: 4/29/2021 4:43:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wild Geese 87% Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's sad that 90% of what GD knows about Africa came from that movie. Oh bullshit! Shaka Zulu- 25% Blackhawk down- 25% Blood Diamond- 25% Forgotten weapons- 60% Duh! Wild Geese 87% absolutely. And the other 13% is Black Panther. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:28:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We don't offer a C7 upper. But 653's and early 723's used M16A1 uppers. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/Ranger_JPEG-921180.jpg My interest is more in line with the KISS concept than a clone build. Wanting to build two or four 11.5 KISS pistols with A1 uppers. The brass deflector on C7s makes weak side shooting more pleasant, that said at this point I'd be very happy with regular A1s. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 6:09:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My interest is more in line with the KISS concept than a clone build. Wanting to build two or four 11.5 KISS pistols with A1 uppers. The brass deflector on C7s makes weak side shooting more pleasant, that said at this point I'd be very happy with regular A1s. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We don't offer a C7 upper. But 653's and early 723's used M16A1 uppers. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/Ranger_JPEG-921180.jpg My interest is more in line with the KISS concept than a clone build. Wanting to build two or four 11.5 KISS pistols with A1 uppers. The brass deflector on C7s makes weak side shooting more pleasant, that said at this point I'd be very happy with regular A1s. I think it'd be cool if there was a 604 style upper with a case deflector. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 6:17:54 PM EST
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One a lot like this in the EE right now.
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Posted: 4/29/2021 6:57:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The N1 stock is more correct for a 733 anyway; while you can occasionally see them with the earlier vinyl acetate coated aluminum stocks, the majority of them had the polymer "Fiberlite" types. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Thanks for the breakdown. I'm more interested in going for an early-ish 733 "Heat" clone, and liked the idea of getting the upper as light as possible, so went with their C7 upper and lite barrel option. C7 11.5 Commando Lite Hammer Forged Upper ETA: also picked up a two position receiver extension and polymer stock from Retrofifles. They have the aluminum in stock, but 200+ seemed a bit over the top since it won't be going on a clone correct lower. The N1 stock is more correct for a 733 anyway; while you can occasionally see them with the earlier vinyl acetate coated aluminum stocks, the majority of them had the polymer "Fiberlite" types. Most excellent. Thanks for the info. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 7:03:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What do you think of the build quality? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Thanks for the breakdown. I'm more interested in going for an early-ish 733 "Heat" clone, and liked the idea of getting the upper as light as possible, so went with their C7 upper and lite barrel option. C7 11.5 Commando Lite Hammer Forged Upper ETA: also picked up a two position receiver extension and polymer stock from Retrofifles. They have the aluminum in stock, but 200+ seemed a bit over the top since it won't be going on a clone correct lower. Not sure. Just placed the order today and don’t expect to have the upper in hand for at least the next 4-5 months. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 7:04:50 PM EST
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Posted: 4/29/2021 7:09:36 PM EST
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 No longer have the Aimpoint 5000 or 6P mounted, might have to find another 5000 some day... |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 7:13:56 PM EST
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Posted: 4/29/2021 9:14:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it'd be cool if there was a 604 style upper with a case deflector. There's an ap for that. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 9:27:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We didn't have much choice back in the olden days. I thought just having the BDC was a big help despite using M855. I need to find the photo of my Colt M16A2 with Colt 4X from my Operation Able-Sentry UNPROFOR deployment 1993-94, We were about halfway through our rotation when BHD happened, the Marine Task Force in the Adriatic were pulled to go Somalia. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/43902/UNPROFOR_jpg-1923038.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It is cool, yet I cannot overstate how much I hate optics mounted to carry handles. I need to find the photo of my Colt M16A2 with Colt 4X from my Operation Able-Sentry UNPROFOR deployment 1993-94, We were about halfway through our rotation when BHD happened, the Marine Task Force in the Adriatic were pulled to go Somalia. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/43902/UNPROFOR_jpg-1923038.JPG Don't I know it. My first AR was an A2 variant. I thought I was fancy having a leupold mounted to the handle. But once the handle went away with my M4 clone I was a changed man. I don't miss the optics way up there. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 9:49:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Always dig when you post that pic. I've got everything I need to make an E1 upper to go with my E2 upper, except waiting on retro barrels from Brownell's. As soon as they get back in stock, JT with Retro Arms Work is going to be getting some more business. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't know that I could bring myself to paint it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/180161/IMG_4480_zps712b17d5_jpg-1919710.JPG Always dig when you post that pic. I've got everything I need to make an E1 upper to go with my E2 upper, except waiting on retro barrels from Brownell's. As soon as they get back in stock, JT with Retro Arms Work is going to be getting some more business. @AZ5326X2 JT did the work on this upper. Colt 604, Brownells barrel, a hard to find non-F marked FSB. Barrel cut and bayo lug cut. The man is an artist. I almost drunkenly sold it last week. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 11:16:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's an ap for that. https://www.milsurps.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=104575&d=1577471675 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think it'd be cool if there was a 604 style upper with a case deflector. There's an ap for that. https://www.milsurps.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=104575&d=1577471675 I'm aware of those. HDLS was telling me about having one on his M-16A1 when he first joined the Marines since he's left-handed as we were assembling my AR with a 604 upper. An actual case deflector built-in is much cleaner-looking. A no-FA A2 upper would be cool, too. Colt made some for open-bolt ARs, but they are not common, as I understand it. |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 3:35:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryThat's a badmuthafukka right there. Will copy. 
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Posted: 4/30/2021 3:42:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryI know this is about 733s but that is perfection. |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 3:45:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree. I just finished this as my second AR ever a couple of months ago. I had originally wanted to do a 14.5" pinned and welded with a retro brace, which would Federally be a pistol and for CA be a "long gun, other", which at the time was exempt from the AWB, but then they expanded it at the end of last summer to include such weapons, so I decided I didn't want to pin and weld a CA-legal muzzle device and went with a 16" mid-length. Meant to be both lightweight and a budget build (in case I have to use it, and lose it), which is also why it only has irons. It's now my defensive carbine at home, with the CA grip, muzzle device, etc. on it. With an empty 30-round aluminum magazine, it weighs 6 lbs. 1.5 oz. Light and handy. My other AR, with a free-float rail and the works, weighs only half a pound more with no accessories. I like my ARs light. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50927368642_408fc20f1b_b.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lightweight carbines are handy. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/34777/7A11AC12-C783-4AF2-9B7B-72854C6CD706_jpe-1922476.JPG I agree. I just finished this as my second AR ever a couple of months ago. I had originally wanted to do a 14.5" pinned and welded with a retro brace, which would Federally be a pistol and for CA be a "long gun, other", which at the time was exempt from the AWB, but then they expanded it at the end of last summer to include such weapons, so I decided I didn't want to pin and weld a CA-legal muzzle device and went with a 16" mid-length. Meant to be both lightweight and a budget build (in case I have to use it, and lose it), which is also why it only has irons. It's now my defensive carbine at home, with the CA grip, muzzle device, etc. on it. With an empty 30-round aluminum magazine, it weighs 6 lbs. 1.5 oz. Light and handy. My other AR, with a free-float rail and the works, weighs only half a pound more with no accessories. I like my ARs light. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50927368642_408fc20f1b_b.jpg That is also perfect. |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 6:21:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm aware of those. HDLS was telling me about having one on his M-16A1 when he first joined the Marines since he's left-handed as we were assembling my AR with a 604 upper. An actual case deflector built-in is much cleaner-looking. A no-FA A2 upper would be cool, too. Colt made some for open-bolt ARs, but they are not common, as I understand it. |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 6:43:00 AM EST
[#36]
My 2020 build.
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Posted: 4/30/2021 7:09:34 AM EST
[#37]
Nine whole reviews did one very similar almost a year ago as well. Not sure if you guys saw that one. Pretty sure we covered that video as well. 1993 probably would have been a 723 I’m guessing.
 SFOD-D [Delta Force] Carbine "Gordon Carbine" to 500yds: Practical Accuracy Edit: I don’t remember if he mentions what model he uses. It might be in the other video about this rifle. It’s in this one. He uses a 733  Gordon's Carbine [Black Hawk Down] - The Delta Colt 723 - 733 |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 8:11:26 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Get an Armson OEG. They have a retro model out now. About as small, light, and tough as you will ever find. 4-digit SN early OEG  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 8:25:58 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 4-digit SN early OEG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18677/20190828_061820_jpg-1924379.JPG You have the coolest collection. |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 8:31:25 AM EST
[#40]
I've been searching the internet recently and can't seem to find an "in stock" XM 177 GAU 5 5" flash hider anywhere.
Anyone have a source? |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 8:50:18 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been searching the internet recently and can't seem to find an "in stock" XM 177 GAU 5 5" flash hider anywhere. Anyone have a source? I think Retro Arms Works' is 5" as well. Shoot John ([email protected]) an email, he may have some in stock. |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 9:25:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I believe that was a Blackhawk Down Gun. South African mercenaries carry an unusual Colt CAR-15 variation that does not appear to be a factory-standard gun. These rifles have the receivers of M16A2s (which would normally suggest Colt Model 725s), but they also have 10-inch barrels with GAU-5/XM177-style flash-hiders. They were most likely custom-assembled for the film from the parts of various AR-model rifles. It should be noted that similar rifles can be seen in Black Hawk Down, and Bapty & Co. supplied the weapons for both this film and that one. Besides their unusual combination of features, the mercenaries' CAR-15s also feature camouflage paint and accessories such as Surefire 660 weaponlights and Aimpoint CompM2 red dot sights. Near the end of the film, Archer uses one after killing its owner, buying time for Solomon and Dia to escape before succumbing to his wound. Way cool |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 9:35:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been searching the internet recently and can't seem to find an "in stock" XM 177 GAU 5 5" flash hider anywhere. Anyone have a source? @dirtyone04, try here? https://retrorifles.com/moderator-flash-hiders-car-15-xm177e1-xm177e2-colt-commando-1963-1974/ |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 10:12:43 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @dirtyone04, try here? https://retrorifles.com/moderator-flash-hiders-car-15-xm177e1-xm177e2-colt-commando-1963-1974/ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've been searching the internet recently and can't seem to find an "in stock" XM 177 GAU 5 5" flash hider anywhere. Anyone have a source? @dirtyone04, try here? https://retrorifles.com/moderator-flash-hiders-car-15-xm177e1-xm177e2-colt-commando-1963-1974/ Thanks, just placed an order. Now, to send my barrel to ADCO. Thank you. |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 1:49:09 PM EST
[#45]
I'd suggest John Thomas, but I'm biased as he's done two of my builds. He's an artist.
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Posted: 4/30/2021 2:17:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aero makes a nice flattop with no FA. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm aware of those. HDLS was telling me about having one on his M-16A1 when he first joined the Marines since he's left-handed as we were assembling my AR with a 604 upper. An actual case deflector built-in is much cleaner-looking. A no-FA A2 upper would be cool, too. Colt made some for open-bolt ARs, but they are not common, as I understand it. Them and Rainier, too, IIRC. I used the Aero for my first build, which is also lightweight (just over 6 1/2 lbs.). 
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Posted: 4/30/2021 4:02:55 PM EST
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Remembered I have this one in the parts box. What do yall think it should end up being? Troy rail was already on it so I'm not married to it. Edit: Already have Heat and Blood Diamond covered
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Posted: 4/30/2021 5:05:16 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Remembered I have this one in the parts box. What do yall think it should end up being? Troy rail was already on it so I'm not married to it. Edit: Already have Heat and Blood Diamond covered https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/224641/20210430_155941_jpg-1924889.JPG |
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Posted: 5/1/2021 6:49:19 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know that I could bring myself to paint it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/180161/IMG_4480_zps712b17d5_jpg-1919710.JPG  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/1/2021 11:05:33 PM EST
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I've apparently been working on something like this for awhile now and never knew it lol
C7 upper, 10.5 barrel, 2 position extension, n1 style stock (currently blade brace), A1 grip, a1 flash hider, and a narrow handguard. Only thing holding me up is I never got around to finding A1 retro looking lower that I would sbr, so its currently using a psa meme lower. Never really used anything for inspiration, I just wanted a simple retro carbine. Plus I have an Aimpoint Electronic from the mid to late 70's that I was going to throw on it for that retro tacticool look  Thanks to you guys it looks like I'm off to find a lower. |
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