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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:11:04 PM EST
[#1]
You know what they should do about bump stocks? Keep making them. Keep selling them.
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:11:20 PM EST
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I get it, they make the rules as they go. I'm in total agreement with everyone in here. The 10/22 accelerator stock, they classified the spring as a MG. Nobody made this an issue. I guess they can classify anything they want if it changes the rate of fire vs mechanical function as a MG. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: 1. Bumpstocks do not make a gun a machine gun. 2. The legal definition they seem to be trying to change to make bumpstocks fall into a category isn’t even the proper way these things function. Their shit is all fucked up in the terminology and you have people falling over themselves to line up for this crap because it’s “not their sacrificial lamb” being slaughtered this time. Hope hunting rifle scopes are next....”nobody needs to shoot over 500 yards to kill a deeeeah!”. Military grade optics have no place in a civil society! The 10/22 accelerator stock, they classified the spring as a MG. Nobody made this an issue. I guess they can classify anything they want if it changes the rate of fire vs mechanical function as a MG. We shouldn’t even be having this conversation as we should all be owning three position safety selector firearms. When Trump does this, he is driving a wooden stake into his own heart with me. I voted Cruz, but fully got on the train. I hope I’m not going to be asking for a fucking refund. “Hillary would have been worse”? Yup, but at least my enemy has the balls to tell me he/she plans on fucking me instead of patting me on the back while it gets shoved up my ass. I’d rather have a known enemy at this point than some wish washy piece of shit. If the “Grand Experiment” is indeed over, we need to move onto the next phase I figure. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:11:51 PM EST
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We better ban revolvers too ..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzHG-ibZaKM
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:14:24 PM EST
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Trump had better come out with a statement that even though he's banning bump stocks he still supports the right to keep semi-auto weapons. Bump stocks may not appeal to most people but the black rifle IS America's rifle and he'd better be thinking of all those AR owners staying home on election night in 2020.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:14:47 PM EST
[#5]
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Typical Trumphumper. Too slow to know when they're getting fucked in the ass by yet another Republican, too slow to know what the word "never" means. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/102941/F6EAE4AA-DC7C-48A8-A99E-94C6B73EFBA2_jpeg-755079.JPG President Harris thanks you for supportting a big donor and early supporter of hers. Without support like that she'd never have made the national stage! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is she going to thank Donald Trump too? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/102941/trump_donations1_PNG-755010.JPG the above was frequently pushed by the nevertrumpers, to convince people that Trump was a stealth dem Trump has actually been relatively evenhanded in doling out cash to the two parties, but since 1989, he's contributed over $350,000 more to Republicans running for federal and state offices, campaign finance records show.
Data from the Federal Election Commission and state elections offices provided by the two websites show that Trump has given $584,850 to Democrats and $961,140 to the GOP over the last 26 years. The difference in donations is almost entirely captured in Trump's recent giving. Since 2012, Trump has donated $463,450 to Republicans and just $3,500 to Democrats (California Attorney General Kamala Harris and New York Assemblyman Michael Benedetto). of course, you will push this again, when you start actively pushing for harris/ocasio cortez for 2020, right ryan ruck? Too slow to know when they're getting fucked in the ass by yet another Republican, too slow to know what the word "never" means. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/102941/F6EAE4AA-DC7C-48A8-A99E-94C6B73EFBA2_jpeg-755079.JPG President Harris thanks you for supportting a big donor and early supporter of hers. Without support like that she'd never have made the national stage! |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:16:21 PM EST
[#6]
Obama to ATF-“Boys, bump-stocks are scary. Can they be legally defined as a machine gun?”
ATF-“Sorry Boss. The action defines it as single pull per shot”. Trump to ATF-“You will define bump stocks as illegal!” ATF-“Ok Boss” 
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:19:20 PM EST
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Sure, put a socialist Dem in office. Your business will do GREAT.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: So all of us businessmen who have been adversely affected by the Trump Tariffs are free to donate to any Democrat that wants to get rid of them. Thanks for your support. After the tariffs I have been unable to compete with foreign builders anywhere but the U.S. I have not been able to sell a single machine outside of the U.S. Business is down 60%. Bumpstocks are banned by executive fiat. Your statement is pure bullshit. And I voted straight R in 2016, and every election since 1974. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:20:02 PM EST
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Obama to ATF-“Boys, bump-stocks are scary. Can they be legally defined as a machine gun?” ATF-“Sorry Boss. The action defines it as single pull per shot”. Trump to ATF-“You will define bump stocks as illegal!” ATF-“Ok Boss” |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:20:17 PM EST
[#9]
Trump is finished. Fuck him.
4D stupidity. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:21:47 PM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have met and talked to almost every single person I have voted for, for a long time now, it is easy to do in Montana. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:22:27 PM EST
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Who is going to hold a rally in support of bump stocks? The NRA has an effective monopoly on the gun rights movement and they demanded that Trump ban bump stocks via executive order. Even if they were against this, what infrastructure is there set up to arrange a pro-2A rally? They're not an activist organization they're some lobbying and educational org. No one shows up to pro-2A rallies because all of them currently have to be organized ad hoc via facebook or email lists something. It does no good to blame random gun owners (who may or may not be news junkies) for not showing up. Even then you have to have some kind of realistic political goal and not just rant because it feels good. A great example are all the "conservative" arfcommers that spent months trying to get everyone to send a message to the Florida GOP. Flipping Nelson's seat would be a huge victory and would make supreme court nominations much easier, and the next FL governor is going to appoint like four state supreme court justices but people here decided to spend 50+ pages of arguing that the Democrats winning wouldn't be a big deal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Only 0.03% of gun owners bother to show up 2nd Amendment rallies. If 99.97% of gun owners can't even bother to do that...do you really think of them will stand their ground and fight? People sit at home and bitch, then when elections don't go their way they want to pull out guns and start acting like ANTIFA Here is an idea, how about get involved politically and make sure the (R) on the ticket isn't a jackwagon. I know, I know, it will involve leaving mom's basement...  Even then you have to have some kind of realistic political goal and not just rant because it feels good. A great example are all the "conservative" arfcommers that spent months trying to get everyone to send a message to the Florida GOP. Flipping Nelson's seat would be a huge victory and would make supreme court nominations much easier, and the next FL governor is going to appoint like four state supreme court justices but people here decided to spend 50+ pages of arguing that the Democrats winning wouldn't be a big deal. Your big win in the senate was the exact fucking reason why trump waited until after the election to finalize his edict. If Scott had lost we wouldn’t be talking about this now. Instead the message sent is that he and other republicans can pass whatever new gun laws they feel like without any consequences because gun owners will vote for them no matter what. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:23:43 PM EST
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All you "don't comply" guys are totally full of shit. You'll comply, for the exact same reason you don't own other illegal weapons. Yes someone will sue, and lose... because the .gov's justification for banning bump stocks is identical to their regulating/outlawing full-auto. "Just compensation " may be a problem for their plan though. But easily fixed. Lots of people ignore stupid laws. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:24:33 PM EST
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Just an idea:
Focus getting enough people to make double t handle sticks or ever bent coat hangers and delivered them to local pd's for turn in. Show the whole thing for the mockery it is. 90 days would make it pretty cluttered in the property rooms. If contraband the pd's would not be able to dispose without atf approval. Clog up the works and send a message in numbers. Just thinking out loud. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:25:40 PM EST
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EO cannot turn objects into contraband. BS. Obama would have done it. He said he went as far as executive power could.
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:25:56 PM EST
[#15]
What a load of bullshit. Sometimes I really like Trump. But he is pissing in our face with this.
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:25:58 PM EST
[#16]
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I don't support it. At all. I've flat out said as much. It's a huge mistake. But I'd still vote for him again if the options are between Trump and any Democrat. Because as bad as you think you're getting fucked now, with a Democrat it would have been a hundred times worse. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Starting to think there really is something to Republicans that would support a Republican president doing something I'd expect from a Democrat. But I'd still vote for him again if the options are between Trump and any Democrat. Because as bad as you think you're getting fucked now, with a Democrat it would have been a hundred times worse. A vote for him is support of his actions. You may wish he hadn’t done something but you damn sure plan on supporting him doing it. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:26:10 PM EST
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Does anyone sell an 80 percent bump stock kit?
Asking for a friend. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:26:35 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Had a socialist dem in office. Obama. I sold custom machinery in Canada, Mexico, parts of South America, and the U.S. After the tariffs I have been unable to compete with foreign builders anywhere but the U.S. I have not been able to sell a single machine outside of the U.S. Business is down 60%. Bumpstocks are banned by executive fiat. Your statement is pure bullshit. And I voted straight R in 2016, and every election since 1974. Think about that. And realize the tariffs are, in all likelihood, temporary. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:27:31 PM EST
[#19]
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Obama to ATF-“Boys, bump-stocks are scary. Can they be legally defined as a machine gun?” ATF-“Sorry Boss. The action defines it as single pull per shot”. Trump to ATF-“You will define bump stocks as illegal!” ATF-“Ok Boss” Trump decided bump stocks needed to go and told his Justice Department to make it so. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:27:49 PM EST
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You mean like people have complied w/ things like registration and bans in states? Lots of people ignore stupid laws. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All you "don't comply" guys are totally full of shit. You'll comply, for the exact same reason you don't own other illegal weapons. Yes someone will sue, and lose... because the .gov's justification for banning bump stocks is identical to their regulating/outlawing full-auto. "Just compensation " may be a problem for their plan though. But easily fixed. Lots of people ignore stupid laws. I don't own a single illegal weapon. Not a single one. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:28:21 PM EST
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This is making the 2nd Amendment great again???? See all four articles:
Trump's Pending Bumpstock Ban  President Trump's View of 2nd Amendment Not What Gun Owners Thought? 
Trump, Sessions, Schumer, and Feinstein Team Up to Take Bump-Stock-Type Shooting Ban to Another Level '“ Use of Belt Loops and 'Fast Fingers' to become Illegal 
The False-flag Drive Toward Registration, Confiscation: What the heck is President Trump up to? 
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:28:35 PM EST
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“The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."
Boom.....It was a done deal on 11/5/17 when the NRA released that statement after Vegas. The NRA water-carriers here can whine to the contrary all they will but anyone honest knows it to be true. When the "premier" pro-2A .org stuck that bug into Trump's ear that bump-stocks should be subject to additional regulations I really don't know what you expected to happen. In fact I surprised it took a year.
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:28:50 PM EST
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Trump is finished. Fuck him. 4D stupidity. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:29:01 PM EST
[#24]
Do you think Trump will speak at the next NRA convention?
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:30:15 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not talking Obama. I'm talking about the Democrat newcomers and favorites that are literally socialists. Real Liberals? Thought Obama was a Moderate. And they LOVE the Bernie Sanders, Beto, Cortez crowd. Think about that. And realize the tariffs are, in all likelihood, temporary. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:30:16 PM EST
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+1 People sit at home and bitch, then when elections don't go their way they want to pull out guns and start acting like ANTIFA Here is an idea, how about get involved politically and make sure the (R) on the ticket isn't a jackwagon. I know, I know, it will involve leaving mom's basement... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Only 0.03% of gun owners bother to show up 2nd Amendment rallies. If 99.97% of gun owners can't even bother to do that...do you really think of them will stand their ground and fight? People sit at home and bitch, then when elections don't go their way they want to pull out guns and start acting like ANTIFA Here is an idea, how about get involved politically and make sure the (R) on the ticket isn't a jackwagon. I know, I know, it will involve leaving mom's basement... 
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:30:44 PM EST
[#27]
A life long liberal NYC cuck banning a scary object... how is this surprising to anyone.
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:30:52 PM EST
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You can’t separate the two. A vote for him is support of his actions. You may wish he hadn’t done something but you damn sure plan on supporting him doing it. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:32:20 PM EST
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:32:57 PM EST
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Trump is finished. Fuck him. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:33:05 PM EST
[#31]
The NRA sold us down the river on this one. Trump was just doing what the NRA suggested he do. Trump figures the NRA leadership speaks for all gun owners.
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:33:20 PM EST
[#32]
This isn't happening, man. This isn't happening.
Pvt. Hudson This is only the very beginning if this BS flies. 
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:34:14 PM EST
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what ever you have to show is suspect, as you have shown you have no problem with lying and mis-representing things Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is she going to thank Donald Trump too? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/102941/trump_donations1_PNG-755010.JPG the above was frequently pushed by the nevertrumpers, to convince people that Trump was a stealth dem Trump has actually been relatively evenhanded in doling out cash to the two parties, but since 1989, he's contributed over $350,000 more to Republicans running for federal and state offices, campaign finance records show.
Data from the Federal Election Commission and state elections offices provided by the two websites show that Trump has given $584,850 to Democrats and $961,140 to the GOP over the last 26 years. The difference in donations is almost entirely captured in Trump's recent giving. Since 2012, Trump has donated $463,450 to Republicans and just $3,500 to Democrats (California Attorney General Kamala Harris and New York Assemblyman Michael Benedetto). of course, you will push this again, when you start actively pushing for harris/ocasio cortez for 2020, right ryan ruck? Too slow to know when they're getting fucked in the ass by yet another Republican, too slow to know what the word "never" means. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/102941/F6EAE4AA-DC7C-48A8-A99E-94C6B73EFBA2_jpeg-755079.JPG President Harris thanks you for supportting a big donor and early supporter of hers. Without support like that she'd never have made the national stage! Well, here's one of me voting for a guy that wouldn't confiscate bumpstocks like a Democrat.  Attached FileSame congressional district too... Funny that... |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:34:31 PM EST
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You can and should separate the two. No politician does everything right. That's reality. We have a two party system. Another reality. If Trump is the incumbent in 2020, then it will be Trump vs the Liberal dream candidate. Who will do much, much worse than banning a plastic accessory that 95% of Arfcom thought was useless bullshit until a year ago. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You can’t separate the two. A vote for him is support of his actions. You may wish he hadn’t done something but you damn sure plan on supporting him doing it. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:34:31 PM EST
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It's true. Put us in the exact same situation but two years into a Hillary term, with 2 new Lib justices and a Democrat house. And try to honestly say we'd be better off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ah, the old "It Could Be Worse" program! You've studied the art of Demotivational Management well!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBdU9v5nLKQTell me, a decade or so from now (when I hopefully get out) what will be left of trumps accomplishments to make it worth it? |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:34:33 PM EST
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You can and should separate the two. No politician does everything right. That's reality. We have a two party system. Another reality. If Trump is the incumbent in 2020, then it will be Trump vs the Liberal dream candidate. Who will do much, much worse than banning a plastic accessory that 95% of Arfcom thought was useless bullshit until a year ago. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You can’t separate the two. A vote for him is support of his actions. You may wish he hadn’t done something but you damn sure plan on supporting him doing it. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:34:36 PM EST
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"The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations." Boom.....It was a done deal on 11/5/17 when the NRA released that statement after Vegas. The NRA water-carriers here can whine to the contrary all they will but anyone honest knows it to be true. When the "premier" pro-2A .org stuck that bug into Trump's ear that bump-stocks should be subject to additional regulations I really don't know what you expected to happen. In fact I surprised it took a year. Additional regulations means you would still be able to possess them. What Trump is proposing is a confiscation. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:34:55 PM EST
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If you need donations to help your cause Nolo....let us know how to help. We have your back and support you 8700% Quote HistoryQuoted:
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@NoloContendre Any paperwork ready to be filed?  I'd buy one for sure, would go nicely with my other Nolo dillo. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:35:02 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good, I hope the socialists win. Pedal to the floor, right off the cliff. America deserves what she has begged for. America is a shambling corpse. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:35:27 PM EST
[#40]
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Just an idea: Focus getting enough people to make double t handle sticks or ever bent coat hangers and delivered them to local pd's for turn in. Show the whole thing for the mockery it is. 90 days would make it pretty cluttered in the property rooms. If contraband the pd's would not be able to dispose without atf approval. Clog up the works and send a message in numbers. Just thinking out loud. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:36:02 PM EST
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lmao.
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:37:09 PM EST
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I saw it as well but had the mute on. All the non FL GD ARF members made fun of Florida when they ban bump stocks. The rest of the US will be ban. In Florida we are not allowed to purchase rubber bands or pants with belt loops. I wear Yoda pants and drive the speed limit. "Nice, that ass is" --Yoda on Yoga pants |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:37:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NeoConDon is an empty suit with no morals or values of his own. Congratulations, you voted for a man who has to be told what to do, say, and what his beliefs should be. Fuck him |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:38:10 PM EST
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Is this where we say "Come And Take It"? Or "not one more inch" ...or "stupid range toy, not the hill to die on" Damn Fudds. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:38:30 PM EST
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So I lived with trepidation through 8 years of Obama waiting for gun control that never happened. Now the guy I voted for out-and-out bans a gun accessory with NO grandfathering, NO compensation, and not even a requirement to register it with the NFA if you want to keep it.
Not that I own a bump stock, but what's next? Trump is a known supporter of eminent domain. Get ready to have an interstate running through your ass. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:38:46 PM EST
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:39:06 PM EST
[#47]
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Amnesty is the answer and add them to the nfa register  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:39:28 PM EST
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Well for one thing I wouldn’t be risking a felony and several years in prison for a piece of plastic. Tell me, a decade or so from now (when I hopefully get out) what will be left of trumps accomplishments to make it worth it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ah, the old "It Could Be Worse" program! You've studied the art of Demotivational Management well! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBdU9v5nLKQTell me, a decade or so from now (when I hopefully get out) what will be left of trumps accomplishments to make it worth it? |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:39:44 PM EST
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You can and should separate the two. No politician does everything right. That's reality. We have a two party system. Another reality. If Trump is the incumbent in 2020, then it will be Trump vs the Liberal dream candidate. Who will do much, much worse than banning a plastic accessory that 95% of Arfcom thought was useless bullshit until a year ago. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You can’t separate the two. A vote for him is support of his actions. You may wish he hadn’t done something but you damn sure plan on supporting him doing it. 
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Posted: 11/29/2018 12:40:34 PM EST
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Amnesty is the answer and add them to the nfa register All they can do is make them contraband, ie "we're taking them because we said so" |
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