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Posted: 7/11/2017 1:04:57 AM EDT
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Damn shame those boys had to go out like that...RIP
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Posted: 7/11/2017 1:05:05 AM EDT
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 RIP guys.
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Posted: 7/11/2017 1:07:48 AM EDT
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I'd be willing to bet you're wrong. All USAF C-130s carry them, but they are hardly easily accessible. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No. m |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 1:14:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KC-130 FLT ENG:
When I was crew, we had parachutes on board but we didn't wear them unless it was mission specific. I.E the loadmasters would wear them doing airdrops. But normal routine flights no. 
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Posted: 7/11/2017 1:17:18 AM EDT
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"Secondary explosions" might not be ammo. It could be the oxygen bottles and the hydraulic accumulators. Also tires could eexplode after burning.
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Posted: 7/11/2017 1:19:55 AM EDT
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As of 1994, yes, USMC KC-130s carried one parachute for each crew member. Those 'chutes were fixed to a modified stretcher mounted on the right forward stanchions above the seat webbing. m That's where we carry them too. |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 1:23:29 AM EDT
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RIP.
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Posted: 7/11/2017 1:28:26 AM EDT
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As of 1994, yes, USMC KC-130s carried one parachute for each crew member. Those 'chutes were fixed to a modified stretcher mounted on the right forward stanchions above the seat webbing. m That doesn't mean that there was time to don parachutes, or that any crewmembers not already strapped into their seats weren't being thrown around the cargobay like ragdolls as the aircraft departed anything resembling controlled flight. Based on FB chatter, it looks like I've flown and worked plenty on the mishap aircraft, back in the day (VMGR-452 KC-130T BuNo 165000). No mention has been made about of who the crew was for this flight, or who their pax were. |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 1:40:46 AM EDT
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I'd be willing to bet you're wrong. All USAF C-130s carry them, but they are hardly easily accessible. |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 1:42:14 AM EDT
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RIP
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Posted: 7/11/2017 1:43:01 AM EDT
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As a former KC-130 loadmaster (VMGR-152/252), the incident loadmaster would have thoroughly checked all pallets for compatibility. Unless standards have dramatically changed, the loadmaster would have had lots of experience cross referencing the various components making up the load. I routinely tore into pallets looking for 'contraband'. The usual suspects wouldn't be ammo. Most of that stuff is 'ORM-D' - Other Regulated Materials, class D. Ordnance would have had their class clearly labeled. The 'bad' stuff is usually fueled vehicles (fuel+electrical spark), liquid oxygen, compressed gasses, oxydizers, volatiles (spray paint) or acids... I can't recall the manual we used, but all 'hazardous materials' would include clear guidelines on what was acceptable to be carried on a common pallet, or even on multiple pallets on one A/C. Is it still possible something slipped through? Sure, but not without the loadmaster doing an inspection. m |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 1:45:15 AM EDT
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Fuck
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Posted: 7/11/2017 1:49:22 AM EDT
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I wonder if a raft released in flight...
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Posted: 7/11/2017 1:53:05 AM EDT
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I'd be willing to bet you're wrong. All USAF C-130s carry them, but they are hardly easily accessible. No way they're going out the crew door, and the cargo door is inaccessible depending on the cargo unless they jettison it, and that's not something that's easy to do on a 130 if you know how to release the cargo locks. This being a J model, it has the electronic locks, but in a situation like this there's no way they'd have time or even the ability to open the door, dump the cargo, chute up and go. edit: saw it up above, never saw them on Af birds. Crazy. |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 1:56:24 AM EDT
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Out of the hundreds of 130s I've worked I've never seen them. Where would they have them stashed? Cargo compartment? No way they're going out the crew door, and the cargo door is inaccessible depending on the cargo unless they jettison it, and that's not something that's easy to do on a 130 if you know how to release the cargo locks. This being a J model, it has the electronic locks, but in a situation like this there's no way they'd have time or even the ability to open the door, dump the cargo, chute up and go. I've worked Es, Hs, and Js, we currently have H and Js in my unit. The chutes are directly to the right of the crew entry door. They are tucked up out of the way so you might not have noticed them. I've never flown as PAX or worked on one without them, though they sometimes are on the right forward instead of the left. There are plenty of places to get out, the two troop doors would be the primary, the crew entry door if you're feeling lucky, and the ramp/door if you have the time. |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 1:56:43 AM EDT
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As a former KC-130 loadmaster (VMGR-152/252), the incident loadmaster would have thoroughly checked all pallets for compatibility. Unless standards have dramatically changed, the loadmaster would have had lots of experience cross referencing the various components making up the load. I routinely tore into pallets looking for 'contraband'. The usual suspects wouldn't be ammo. Most of that stuff is 'ORM-D' - Other Regulated Materials, class D. Ordnance would have had their class clearly labeled. The 'bad' stuff is usually fueled vehicles (fuel+electrical spark), liquid oxygen, compressed gasses, oxydizers, volatiles (spray paint) or acids... I can't recall the manual we used, but all 'hazardous materials' would include clear guidelines on what was acceptable to be carried on a common pallet, or even on multiple pallets on one A/C. Is it still possible something slipped through? Sure, but not without the loadmaster doing an inspection. m .
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Posted: 7/11/2017 1:59:37 AM EDT
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I've worked Es, Hs, and Js, we currently have H and Js in my unit. The chutes are directly to the right of the crew entry door. They are tucked up out of the way so you might not have noticed them. I've never flown as PAX or worked on one without them, though they sometimes are on the right forward instead of the left. There are plenty of places to get out, the two troop doors would be the primary, the crew entry door if you're feeling lucky, and the ramp/door if you have the time.  No way I'd go out the crew door though. No way in hell with the Ginzu Master props spinning right there.
Edit: I'd still like to see the cargo manifest to see what they were hauling. |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 2:00:18 AM EDT
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That was one of mine. Can't say anything more. TYCOM
My thoughts are with the families and shipmates of those Marines. |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 2:03:01 AM EDT
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I'm a USN Herc FE. We don't carry parachutes.. The USMC may however, I don't know. FCF = Functional Check Flight |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 2:04:17 AM EDT
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LC-130F/R Loadmaster, we didn't carry parachutes except for FCF's, and then we wore them for the entire flight. FCF = Functional Check Flight |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 2:05:44 AM EDT
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Out of the hundreds of 130s I've worked I've never seen them. Where would they have them stashed? Cargo compartment? No way they're going out the crew door, and the cargo door is inaccessible depending on the cargo unless they jettison it, and that's not something that's easy to do on a 130 if you know how to release the cargo locks. This being a J model, it has the electronic locks, but in a situation like this there's no way they'd have time or even the ability to open the door, dump the cargo, chute up and go. edit: saw it up above, never saw them on Af birds. Crazy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'd be willing to bet you're wrong. All USAF C-130s carry them, but they are hardly easily accessible. No way they're going out the crew door, and the cargo door is inaccessible depending on the cargo unless they jettison it, and that's not something that's easy to do on a 130 if you know how to release the cargo locks. This being a J model, it has the electronic locks, but in a situation like this there's no way they'd have time or even the ability to open the door, dump the cargo, chute up and go. edit: saw it up above, never saw them on Af birds. Crazy. Also, whenever any of our planes went to SLEP or any other extended maintenance, we removed all squadron maintained equipment. Basically, the planes were stripped. m |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 2:13:04 AM EDT
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Depending on the cargo, I doubt the ramp would have been the egress point. More likely the left or right 'paratrooper' door, or just the cargo door (less the ramp). Assuming semi-controlled flight, and an order from the AC, possibly one of the overhead egress hatches. Also, whenever any of our planes went to SLEP or any other extended maintenance, we removed all squadron maintained equipment. Basically, the planes were stripped. m |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 2:20:39 AM EDT
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What was your primary egress point, or did that depend? A friend of mine was in a VX-30 C-130 when the two port liferafts deployed (they are stowed in a compartment on the upper wings), they fell from FL 24K to about 15K before they regained control of the Herc. |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 2:32:10 AM EDT
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We briefed paratroop doors, but as it is with anything it was however you could get out of the plane. A friend of mine was in a VX-30 C-130 when the two port liferafts deployed (they are stowed in a compartment on the upper wings), they fell from FL 24K to about 15K before they regained control of the Herc. |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 2:36:03 AM EDT
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Was that the one that barrel rolled after one got caught in the elevator? TYCOM dealt with that bird too. |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 2:37:39 AM EDT
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Yes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Was that the one that barrel rolled after one got caught in the elevator? TYCOM dealt with that bird too. |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 2:39:34 AM EDT
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That's horrible.
Rest In Peace folks and thank You so much for your service. Damn.... |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 2:43:59 AM EDT
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Prayers for their families.
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Posted: 7/11/2017 2:44:41 AM EDT
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Family friend has an AG Flying service down here, one of his pilots flew over the crash for the sheriffs department. He said it was bad(obvious from the photos )Fair winds and following seas, Marines.
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Posted: 7/11/2017 3:03:02 AM EDT
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With it looking that intact but debris for miles? Yep. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anybody else think it almost sounds like a midair with something? I know about the wing box issues but the wings look pretty intact to my untrained eyes |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 4:10:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/11/2017 4:17:47 AM EDT
[#32]
Inverted, it just fell from the sky and landed flat.
The aircraft is relatively intact. Aircraft that go in nose first or with any kind of forward momentum create a large hole in the ground or spread the remains of the aircraft over a large area. |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 4:24:01 AM EDT
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First thing I thought of was a prop overspeed. I don't know if that is still a thing but it
was mentioned when I was a EP-3E rider years past. RIP Marines |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 6:09:48 AM EDT
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Same with the AF Hercs. There was a time when they pulled them off due to wear and tear but then later put them back on. But many of the AF Hercs mission were low level. Not enough time typically to attempt to jump anway. Also you only carried enough parachutes for primary crew and like one or two spares. So if you're carrying pax, like this one appeared to be carrying, does anyone think the crew is going to jump out leaving the pax to ride it in? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Originally Posted By KC-130 FLT ENG:
When I was crew, we had parachutes on board but we didn't wear them unless it was mission specific. I.E the loadmasters would wear them doing airdrops. But normal routine flights no. And to those asking about parachutes who do not understand this, there is practically zero chance you are even going to be able to get to one if you are pinned to the hull of the aircraft by violent G forces in the kind of spin that this ship was apparently in during its death spiral. |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 6:28:59 AM EDT
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Anyone look to see if there were any odd AirMets for violent turbulence that could have caused damage or caused the pilots to have to correct with extreme control inputs? Flat and level at 22000 hundreds of miles from origin is just strange to have a sudden and massive failure.
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Posted: 7/11/2017 6:58:04 AM EDT
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Why? For this very scenario. Besides, you don't know if they were tumbling through the air uncontrollably? 
Witnesses stated it was in a death spiral to the ground. If it was in a falling spin chances are the people inside were effectively glued to the fuselage, and/ or flying out of the broken up fuselage. If it is not a jump mission I don't see why pax would have chutes. |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 7:03:09 AM EDT
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Pictures make it look like it came down hard.... now 6 bodies reported, I doubt anyone survived this.... also read somewhere an engine found 1 mile north of crash site.... wonder if it had a wing failure. I saw an F-86 crash at an air show, and that took the whole runway. Edit: never mind, made it to page 3 |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 7:07:17 AM EDT
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One of my brothers best friends was on that plane.
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Posted: 7/11/2017 7:22:44 AM EDT
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Prayers this morning for family, friends, and squadron mates.
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Posted: 7/11/2017 7:32:55 AM EDT
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Damn.
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Posted: 7/11/2017 7:36:56 AM EDT
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As of 1994, yes, USMC KC-130s carried one parachute for each crew member. Those 'chutes were fixed to a modified stretcher mounted on the right forward stanchions above the seat webbing. m |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 7:39:53 AM EDT
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... and up into 2007 too, when I retired. I strongly suspect they are still maintained onboard each aircraft. That doesn't mean that there was time to don parachutes, or that any crewmembers not already strapped into their seats weren't being thrown around the cargobay like ragdolls as the aircraft departed anything resembling controlled flight. Based on FB chatter, it looks like I've flown and worked plenty on the mishap aircraft, back in the day (VMGR-452 KC-130T BuNo 165000). No mention has been made about of who the crew was for this flight, or who their pax were. Edit:. Now I'm thinking it was 162000 |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 7:49:10 AM EDT
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Edited title due to conflicting reports. 4 bodies recovered so far. C130 crash Update Five dead, nine on board Update with flyover video The latest https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/96005/c130-crash-250839.JPG Now reporting 16 dead Damn that's crazy. RIP to all and prayers with their families. That is a crazy amount of ground damage. He must have tried to land the plane. God rest their souls. |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 7:50:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/11/2017 7:59:03 AM EDT
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Prayers for the families of the fallen.
10 years as a C-130 Loadmaster. |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 8:06:10 AM EDT
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I have not read the entire thread, but I saw a news report saying the FBI is involved now. Any ideas on that?
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Posted: 7/11/2017 8:09:19 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/11/2017 8:49:57 AM EDT
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I have not read the entire thread, but I saw a news report saying the FBI is involved now. Any ideas on that? |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 8:53:01 AM EDT
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Inverted, it just fell from the sky and landed flat. The aircraft is relatively intact. Aircraft that go in nose first or with any kind of forward momentum create a large hole in the ground or spread the remains of the aircraft over a large area. Whatever happened, they likely had zero chance to make a survivable landing. |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 8:59:19 AM EDT
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