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Posted: 12/31/2022 2:18:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I try to vacation places without cell service, and inevitably "something" happens and I can't leave the hotel until 1 pm or have to drive somewhere to find cell service. I think it's easier to just have a phone handy, at least then it doesn't disrupt more of my day - so reconsidering my vacation options. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Working when the rest of the country is off is a lot of fun. Today I was one of, maybe, ten people working in a 30 story office building. Talk about relaxed atmosphere. In your case, op, I'd be with the rest of your cohorts. Fuck that horseshit. Upon your return tell the C suite guys you were on a cruise with no internet, sorry. This isn't a valid or viable solution. Your time is yours. Don't allow your company to interrupt vacation time. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 2:19:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I turned off all forms of communications related to work this week. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 2:20:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure if you're taking it in stride, or venting your disgust. Kind of hard to get a read on it. This thread will soon turn into a bragging contest with guys who boast about never taking time off, working 70-80 hours a week, answering the phone or emails on weekends, and of course thinking that being a company man somehow grants them immunity from getting fucked just like the guy who doesn't kill himself for his job. There will also be plenty of principled capitalist conservatives who will tell you to shut the fuck up and be grateful to the CEO that you have the privilege of working for benevolent business "leaders" like him, that in their day they never got time off so how dare you expect any, and of course, parrot arfcom's favorite principled capitalist conservative virtue signaling one liner of "his/their business his/their rules if you don't like it start your own company...".  |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 2:21:39 AM EDT
[#4]
If I've learned anything from my near twenty years here.
It's that being at work is the most important thing a person can do. PTO is for bad employees and socialists. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 3:03:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure if you're taking it in stride, or venting your disgust. Kind of hard to get a read on it. This thread will soon turn into a bragging contest with guys who boast about never taking time off, working 70-80 hours a week, answering the phone or emails on weekends, and of course thinking that being a company man somehow grants them immunity from getting fucked just like the guy who doesn't kill himself for his job. There will also be plenty of principled capitalist conservatives who will tell you to shut the fuck up and be grateful to the CEO that you have the privilege of working for benevolent business "leaders" like him, that in their day they never got time off so how dare you expect any, and of course, parrot arfcom's favorite principled capitalist conservative virtue signaling one liner of "his/their business his/their rules if you don't like it start your own company...".  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 3:12:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I drove around town all day with a trailer full of freight, half of the stops I couldn’t deliver because the customers were closed. I then had a long list of pickups, almost none of which I could get because they were also closed. I basically got paid to ride around in the city all day. I could have taken another PTO day & been fine, but the bosses decided to run the city drivers while everyone else got the day off. Sounds like you drive for a LTL carrier. I run linehaul from Kansas City to Des Moines Monday through Friday. Off today through Monday  only 7 runs today. Few volunteered most got forced to work. No show would be a point on attendance and lose holiday pay.
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Posted: 12/31/2022 3:15:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I've learned anything from my near twenty years here. It's that being at work is the most important thing a person can do. PTO is for bad employees and socialists. Not here. I work to live(& provide for family..single income) not live to work 
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Posted: 12/31/2022 3:15:14 AM EDT
[#8]
So the CEO can’t manage his shit. I can see why no one replied.
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Posted: 12/31/2022 3:23:44 AM EDT
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I haven't had a vacation in 30 years that I wasn't emailed or called multiple times. I haven't traveled without a laptop in 20 years. I checked my email multiple times a night and all weekend long for 30 years. I'm retiring next week. It's going to be weird. Maybe my hair will grow back. Our CEO told senior staff that there is no reason why we can't respond to an email within 3 hours, 365 days a year. We had to buy a sat phone when one guy was going on a fishing trip to Alaska out of cell coverage for a week. He had to call in daily. I am so done.
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Posted: 12/31/2022 3:25:48 AM EDT
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Quoted: I think I took 5 vacation days this year, and ended up working on most of them, and most of the leadership team is in the same boat, they just all noped out for the holidays, it was magnificent to watch. Unfortunately I was supposed to use this week to make some side money, so this intrusion and COVID has probably cost me $3-5,000. Sounds like you need to stick up for yourself more. Especially seeing that the rest of the team noped out of most of the week, while you were the only sucker going in and working - while sick, even. That should have been "Sorry, boss, sick with COVID, can't do it." |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 3:38:06 AM EDT
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CEO checking in.
 OP, I hope you figure out how to have the best of New Years you can. Dedication, is great, but make sure to figure out balance. God Bless ?? |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 4:04:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In the US we'll check email and VM daily while on vacation. (Guilty here). Fuck that; not me. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 4:14:30 AM EDT
[#13]
“…I think I took 5 vacation days this year, and ended up working on most of them…”
WTF You seriously have a screw loose? This is not something to be proud of. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 4:16:02 AM EDT
[#14]
I guess that those smart people figured out that the tasks really didn't need to be done as quickly as someone originally assumed
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Posted: 12/31/2022 4:20:00 AM EDT
[#15]
Nothing says shitty leadership like when "hey everyone, we are all taking the holiday week off" turns into "this needs done on Christmas." I'm sure the CEO was hard at work..lol
Pretty sure I'd start looking for a new job if mine started some shit like that. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 4:22:40 AM EDT
[#16]
Sorry to hear about Covid, how are you doing?
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Posted: 12/31/2022 5:04:51 AM EDT
[#17]
You caught Covid and you still tried to work? I would have put up an OOO message and stayed in bed and or couch and enjoyed my holiday.
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Posted: 12/31/2022 5:36:10 AM EDT
[#18]
So you guys were closed and off but not actually?
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Posted: 12/31/2022 5:54:22 AM EDT
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I took a few days off a while back to spend with the wife. We went camping, out of cell range. During a trip to town one of our department heads started blowing up my phone because he suddenly realized he didn't know how to do email and wanted me to cut my trip short. He had fired the guy who sent all of his emails for him a few days prior. I politely but firmly told him to fuck off. So he started blowing up my boss's phone with the same demands. The boss's secretary called me and told me to turn off my phone ASAP because I was about to get a call informing me that my vacation was not approved because a department head needed to be able to use his email and our "servers were down". That was kind of funny because we were on an Office 365 subscription and I was pretty sure Microsoft hadn't gone up in flames.
When I got back I was told from now on I had to get written approval from all department heads before scheduling time off and that any of them could cancel my leave at any time for any reason. That did not go well at all. But by that time I already knew I was leaving because management was becoming increasingly toxic by the day. They decided to out source my position and I was told I was as good as gone. Then they found out how much a contract for outsourcing all their IT was going to run and the decided to not do that. They didn't bother to tell me, though, because they felt the threat of imminent firing would "help motivate me". I've been out of that job for about a year now and management over there is still trying to pin something on me so they can punish me in some way. They've already tried to get me prosecuted once. I wound up having to block all their numbers because of the threatening phone calls and texts. Three of my co-workers have been prosecuted based on reports that were largely fictitious. I truly do not understand the mentality of today's management types. Do they teach stupid shit like this in those Sigma Six classes they kept raving about? |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 8:48:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like you drive for a LTL carrier. I run linehaul from Kansas City to Des Moines Monday through Friday. Off today through Monday only 7 runs today. Few volunteered most got forced to work. No show would be a point on attendance and lose holiday pay.Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I drove around town all day with a trailer full of freight, half of the stops I couldn’t deliver because the customers were closed. I then had a long list of pickups, almost none of which I could get because they were also closed. I basically got paid to ride around in the city all day. I could have taken another PTO day & been fine, but the bosses decided to run the city drivers while everyone else got the day off. Sounds like you drive for a LTL carrier. I run linehaul from Kansas City to Des Moines Monday through Friday. Off today through Monday only 7 runs today. Few volunteered most got forced to work. No show would be a point on attendance and lose holiday pay.Yup. The city manager was pushing us hard with the “Do everything in your power to empty the wagons today, we don’t want this stuff coming back & having to deal with it next week” bullshit. That told me that it was going to be a goat-fuck kind of day, and I was not surprised when it all went to shit. Just cram whatever loose freight into trailers, bundle into a makeshift route, send drivers out knowing that most of it will come right back. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 8:55:43 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I usually take a total of 4-5 weeks of vacation most years. I go radio silence, I don’t give a fuck if the company will cease to exist if I don’t answer a phone call. When I’m not “at work” my time doesn’t belong to them. Somehow I’ve still managed to always be an asset and well rewarded employee. It’s sad what American society has come to consider as a normal work/life balance. ETA: This reminded me of something I read the other day, half of American workers don’t even use the PTO they are given by employers. Some folks also get paid out for unused PTO... |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 9:08:42 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I took a few days off a while back to spend with the wife. We went camping, out of cell range. During a trip to town one of our department heads started blowing up my phone because he suddenly realized he didn't know how to do email and wanted me to cut my trip short. He had fired the guy who sent all of his emails for him a few days prior. I politely but firmly told him to fuck off. So he started blowing up my boss's phone with the same demands. The boss's secretary called me and told me to turn off my phone ASAP because I was about to get a call informing me that my vacation was not approved because a department head needed to be able to use his email and our "servers were down". That was kind of funny because we were on an Office 365 subscription and I was pretty sure Microsoft hadn't gone up in flames. When I got back I was told from now on I had to get written approval from all department heads before scheduling time off and that any of them could cancel my leave at any time for any reason. That did not go well at all. But by that time I already knew I was leaving because management was becoming increasingly toxic by the day. They decided to out source my position and I was told I was as good as gone. Then they found out how much a contract for outsourcing all their IT was going to run and the decided to not do that. They didn't bother to tell me, though, because they felt the threat of imminent firing would "help motivate me". I've been out of that job for about a year now and management over there is still trying to pin something on me so they can punish me in some way. They've already tried to get me prosecuted once. I wound up having to block all their numbers because of the threatening phone calls and texts. Three of my co-workers have been prosecuted based on reports that were largely fictitious. I truly do not understand the mentality of today's management types. Do they teach stupid shit like this in those Sigma Six classes they kept raving about? So much WTF going on there^... |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 9:10:17 AM EDT
[#23]
Technically I work 7 days a week I have a horse ranch.
That being said I make sure and schedule time for myself and family. Today just a couple hours of work and the youngest and I plan on doing a little small game hunting and later on going to a friends house with the family. When I worked for someone one else I ignored emails and phone calls. If I was on vacation. If I was taking a day to do personnel stuff I would answer if my team called. However no way would I work on a real vacation. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 9:15:32 AM EDT
[#24]
From what you wrote a few observations become apparent.
Your CEO is an asshole. Not the kind of asshole that is a "tough love" leader that gets things done but takes care of his people. No, he's just an asshole. You let this happen to you and the rest of the team, for the most part, didn't. Good on them and bad on you. The"team" is in the process of discussing this situation and what a bunch of assholes they work for with their inner circle. Many are going to start looking elsewhere for employment opportunities simply because their leadership is really stupid and can't be trusted. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 9:16:01 AM EDT
[#25]
Yes please summarize as I'm off this week and fuck companies and corporations that think I'm to die for them.
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Posted: 12/31/2022 9:16:10 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. The city manager was pushing us hard with the “Do everything in your power to empty the wagons today, we don’t want this stuff coming back & having to deal with it next week” bullshit. That told me that it was going to be a goat-fuck kind of day, and I was not surprised when it all went to shit. Just cram whatever loose freight into trailers, bundle into a makeshift route, send drivers out knowing that most of it will come right back. Dude doesn't have a clue on what that does to actual cost. Now you've paid drivers to not do shit but drive around, and you're going to handle that shit across the dock an extra time too. But of course, since it's LTL, and charge customers for notifying and appts, there isn't staff to check and see if customers are actually open, so there's that...and it will all wind up in next years General Rate Increase calculation anyway...Heck, they might even try for some redelivery charges and storage too.... |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 9:20:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/31/2022 9:26:23 AM EDT
[#28]
People don't like being jerked around? Who knew...
If you needed them to work should have told them up front, playing fuck fuck games when people have already made plans isn't how you get stuff done. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 9:32:21 AM EDT
[#29]
I once had a job that required two of us to be in plant over any holiday shut down. Had to pull fire watch and monitor the boilers and the anhydrous ammonia refrigeration systems. We rotated that duty through the maintenance crew, so six people over 3 shifts got stuck. Nobody want to work it over Thanksgiving or Christmas.
We usually just played cards with a walk through the back of the machinery rooms once an hour. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 9:33:37 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Leadership staged a revolution for the holidays. OR, leadership just did absentee leadership things. We got the “all hands on deck call” and nobody above the entry level showed. Got all of their work done and then plopped the paperwork on exec desks, to be completed. Too bad that paperwork had to be completed today to even matter. Oh well, when President returns Tuesday to find we missed out on a couple hundred thou in revenue because paper pushers couldn’t be bothered to push paper… |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 9:36:03 AM EDT
[#31]
The leadership "team" no longer exists.
I don't know if this is a generational difference or just a difference of perspectives that is very stark, but it comes down to whether a leader believes the goodwill of the team is guaranteed, or needs to be spent carefully. There's a difference between the rare "sorry, this is kind of a big deal and I could use your help even though you're on vacation" and "I want this to happen and I'm in charge, so do it". |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 9:39:55 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: lost me at got Covid, meaning you are a tester, meaning you are a jabber this is what I got for you /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/crycryGirl-329.gif We had to get tested last year if we came down with anything if we wanted to come back to work before the 2 week quarantine. They did not mandate the vaccine. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 9:41:04 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The leadership "team" no longer exists. I don't know if this is a generational difference or just a difference of perspectives that is very stark, but it comes down to whether a leader believes the goodwill of the team is guaranteed, or needs to be spent carefully. There's a difference between the rare "sorry, this is kind of a big deal and I could use your help even though you're on vacation" and "I want this to happen and I'm in charge, so do it". Well said. I run a metal framing and drywall company with 3 partners. Even though our clients are typically shit shows and we can have hundreds of guys working in the field, somehow we are able to make it work 99% of the time without bothering people on vacation. Time off is important . |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 9:48:00 AM EDT
[#34]
Forever grateful for my job and employer.
It will be a cold day in hell before I let a single PTO hour expire. And, I just decisively won a battle to try and replace my division with a team in India. Living the dream. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 9:51:43 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I took a few days off a while back to spend with the wife. We went camping, out of cell range. During a trip to town one of our department heads started blowing up my phone because he suddenly realized he didn't know how to do email and wanted me to cut my trip short. He had fired the guy who sent all of his emails for him a few days prior. I politely but firmly told him to fuck off. So he started blowing up my boss's phone with the same demands. The boss's secretary called me and told me to turn off my phone ASAP because I was about to get a call informing me that my vacation was not approved because a department head needed to be able to use his email and our "servers were down". That was kind of funny because we were on an Office 365 subscription and I was pretty sure Microsoft hadn't gone up in flames. When I got back I was told from now on I had to get written approval from all department heads before scheduling time off and that any of them could cancel my leave at any time for any reason. That did not go well at all. But by that time I already knew I was leaving because management was becoming increasingly toxic by the day. They decided to out source my position and I was told I was as good as gone. Then they found out how much a contract for outsourcing all their IT was going to run and the decided to not do that. They didn't bother to tell me, though, because they felt the threat of imminent firing would "help motivate me". I've been out of that job for about a year now and management over there is still trying to pin something on me so they can punish me in some way. They've already tried to get me prosecuted once. I wound up having to block all their numbers because of the threatening phone calls and texts. Three of my co-workers have been prosecuted based on reports that were largely fictitious. I truly do not understand the mentality of today's management types. Do they teach stupid shit like this in those Sigma Six classes they kept raving about? What were the charges for the other(s) you mentioned? |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 10:01:04 AM EDT
[#36]
@emsjeep
Good luck, hope you get well soon. Fuck China. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 10:25:57 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I haven't had a vacation in 30 years that I wasn't emailed or called multiple times. I haven't traveled without a laptop in 20 years. I checked my email multiple times a night and all weekend long for 30 years. I'm retiring next week. It's going to be weird. Maybe my hair will grow back. Our CEO told senior staff that there is no reason why we can't respond to an email within 3 hours, 365 days a year. We had to buy a sat phone when one guy was going on a fishing trip to Alaska out of cell coverage for a week. He had to call in daily. I am so done. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 10:30:47 AM EDT
[#38]
Might be time to find a new employer if they won’t respect time off.
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Posted: 12/31/2022 10:36:08 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Jesus, dude. Maybe try not to be quite such a dick? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: lost me at got Covid, meaning you are a tester, meaning you are a jabber this is what I got for you /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/crycryGirl-329.gif Jesus, dude. Maybe try not to be quite such a dick? Now now, he's probably just not that intelligent. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 10:39:11 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I took a few days off a while back to spend with the wife. We went camping, out of cell range. During a trip to town one of our department heads started blowing up my phone because he suddenly realized he didn't know how to do email and wanted me to cut my trip short. He had fired the guy who sent all of his emails for him a few days prior. I politely but firmly told him to fuck off. So he started blowing up my boss's phone with the same demands. The boss's secretary called me and told me to turn off my phone ASAP because I was about to get a call informing me that my vacation was not approved because a department head needed to be able to use his email and our "servers were down". That was kind of funny because we were on an Office 365 subscription and I was pretty sure Microsoft hadn't gone up in flames. When I got back I was told from now on I had to get written approval from all department heads before scheduling time off and that any of them could cancel my leave at any time for any reason. That did not go well at all. But by that time I already knew I was leaving because management was becoming increasingly toxic by the day. They decided to out source my position and I was told I was as good as gone. Then they found out how much a contract for outsourcing all their IT was going to run and the decided to not do that. They didn't bother to tell me, though, because they felt the threat of imminent firing would "help motivate me". I've been out of that job for about a year now and management over there is still trying to pin something on me so they can punish me in some way. They've already tried to get me prosecuted once. I wound up having to block all their numbers because of the threatening phone calls and texts. Three of my co-workers have been prosecuted based on reports that were largely fictitious. I truly do not understand the mentality of today's management types. Do they teach stupid shit like this in those Sigma Six classes they kept raving about? I flat out refused to sign the paperwork for equity, told them their stock wasn't worth a non-compete. Then everything blew up when three levels of people stopped them from inking a deal that would have put them all in jail, immediately. They played games with severance, so I ran up their legal bill by about $25k negotiating nonsense. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 10:40:14 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @emsjeep Good luck, hope you get well soon. Fuck China. I just woke up and I think my throat feels good. Hopefully today is the last day of symptoms!!! |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 10:43:07 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure if you're taking it in stride, or venting your disgust. Kind of hard to get a read on it. This thread will soon turn into a bragging contest with guys who boast about never taking time off, working 70-80 hours a week, answering the phone or emails on weekends, and of course thinking that being a company man somehow grants them immunity from getting fucked just like the guy who doesn't kill himself for his job. There will also be plenty of principled capitalist conservatives who will tell you to shut the fuck up and be grateful to the CEO that you have the privilege of working for benevolent business "leaders" like him, that in their day they never got time off so how dare you expect any, and of course, parrot arfcom's favorite principled capitalist conservative virtue signaling one liner of "his/their business his/their rules if you don't like it start your own company...". Attached File |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 10:43:31 AM EDT
[#43]
That's how it's supposed to work:
As the boss you try to squeeze out as much as you can from your employees. As an employee you're supposed to tell your boss to fuck off when he squeezes to hard. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 10:47:40 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's how it's supposed to work: As the boss you try to squeeze out as much as you can from your employees. As an employee you're supposed to tell your boss to fuck off when he squeezes to hard. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 10:51:46 AM EDT
[#45]
100% of the people in this thread saying "Fuck them, I'm on vacation" spend 40% of their time on the job fucking off posting on ARFCOM (and a raft of other social media) and are completely unable to see the parallel.
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Posted: 12/31/2022 10:52:10 AM EDT
[#46]
If the company wants people to work this week they need to toss everyone an extra week of vacation to use next year. I wouldn't have answered texts or emails and most likely would have gave my notice in January. OP you need more than 5 vacation days that you are still working on. Find something better. You will probably get a nice raise and a better company.
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Posted: 12/31/2022 10:55:38 AM EDT
[#47]
If my employer told me that something needed done on Christmas Day… it’s not gonna happen. Sorry man, it’s not a life or death situation and my family is more important. I’m not answering emails or phone calls on Christmas.
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Posted: 12/31/2022 10:56:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I try to vacation places without cell service, and inevitably "something" happens and I can't leave the hotel until 1 pm or have to drive somewhere to find cell service. I think it's easier to just have a phone handy, at least then it doesn't disrupt more of my day - so reconsidering my vacation options. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Working when the rest of the country is off is a lot of fun. Today I was one of, maybe, ten people working in a 30 story office building. Talk about relaxed atmosphere. In your case, op, I'd be with the rest of your cohorts. Fuck that horseshit. Upon your return tell the C suite guys you were on a cruise with no internet, sorry. I rarely look at electronics when I go on vacation. Maybe I check stocks a couple times or text some friends. If I'm at the beach I just leave my phone at the house. You should leave all your electronics at work on Friday when you go on vacation. |
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Posted: 12/31/2022 10:59:56 AM EDT
[#49]
So is the company is now going bankrupt or being bought by the competition on Monday due to the non-reaction of the leadership team?! NO, it never does. It is just so strongly branded in our brains that we eat the soup too hot and wonder why we burn out as middle aged adults…
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Posted: 12/31/2022 11:09:19 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I work with some of the MOST intelligent, diligent, responsible, hard-working people I've ever met. Real top of their game, pull out all the stops, FAANG quality types who will be online and available 5am-2am if necessary. I wouldn't begin to equate MOST intelligent, diligent, responsible, hard-working, top of their game, pull out all the stops people to FAANG quality types at all.  If your organization can't get what needs to be done in 2080 hours/yr/person (and more realistically 1800/yr/person with federal holidays, sick leave, and PTO), it means that leadership is incompetent or values its personnel very little. Probably both, and more if someone really had a look under the hood. Culturally, I'd say it's time to move on. |
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