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First of all, not here to bash the Bible, religion etc...

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I believe the fall occurred at the Younger Dryas boundary and the flood at the YD/neolithic, so 12,800 and 11,600 years ago.

The stories themselves incorporate other ideas like the discovery of ethics and so on, they were passed down orally for millennia before they were written down in the form we have now. There are other stories that relate the same events, and the same ideas. Gilgamesh, Atlantis, Buddha starts out in a walled garden paradise too, and discovers ethics due to disobedience, and finds he can't go back to the garden. It's the same metaphor of adulthood.

There was about 60,000 years of relative climate stability and plentiful resources for hunter/gatherers between Toba and the YDB, so the population of Eden was probably quite a bit higher than what made it through the YD into the Neolithic.

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If Chinese/Indian/etc. people came/"evolved"/begat from White people, why is there still White people?

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I am a pastor and have been studying this stuff for years.
Adam and Eve (Ish and Isha in Hebrew), had far more children than the three named. In Genesis 5:4 it simply said that they had more 'sons and daughters.'  Who knows how many kids a couple can have in 900 plus years.  Lots. Plus their kids had kids.  And yes, there was incest.  Inscestual relationships do not produce defects early in a race.  Only when gene profiles start to compound during multiple generations of incest.  We see these complications in our attempt to breed 'pure bred' dogs.  And, this is also how the races developed.  Certain genetic traits were amplified after Noah's kids reproduced, ect.  Long lives were necessary to sustain the infancy of a race.  If you recall, the earth was shrouded in a dense cloud cover and watered with the morning dew for thousands of years until the flood.  The flood was the first time that it had rained upon the earth.  Also, water sprang up from the ground along with the rain.  Science has discovered vast aquifers deep below the earths crust that are large enough that if they were caused to come to the surface, it would cover the earth entirely with water.  These cloud covers were paramount to the longevity of early man.  The sun kills us on a molecular level with radiation.  This is what causes aging.  Being protected from the power of the sun by a dense canopy allowed the early men to live for a long time.  Plus, God, the Creator was involve to make certain that happened.

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TL;DR.

Sorry if dupe response.

The Bible is an allegory, not a history book.

TC

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There are 3 primary time periods relevant to our progenitors before the flood that are not known to most, but are described in painful detail in The Book of Enoch, which was prevented from being canonized in the 4th Century when they were debating what scriptures would be included.  These periods are:

I. Adam and Eve in the Garden, the fall, banished from the Garden, procreation begins

II. The Watchers (angels assigned to the earth to watch over it) illegally take the daughters of Adam and Eve unto wife, and create an unholy race of giants. The Watchers send Enoch to Heaven to beg for them mercy from God.  The condemnation of the Watchers and their evil seed (giants), the wars of the giants with each other and man, devouring all living things in sight, and the slaughter of the giants among each other by management from righteous angels commanded to ensure they all die before they eat everything and everybody.

III. The Watchers retaliate by teaching surviving mankind (sons and daughters of Adam and Eve) sorcery, witchcraft, idolatry, fornication, "a reprobated mystery".  All of mankind except for a few pure bloods and purest blood possible women (3) are told to build the Ark to pass through the coming deluge, which must be released to cleanse the earth of the corrupted flesh.

Enoch 16: 2-4

Adam and Eve had many children and grandchildren, great grandchildren, great-great grandchildren.....

They lived to be almost 1000yrs old because their DNA had not been corrupted yet.  That was the normal life cycle for a human being until it was corrupted.

Within the generations of Adam, DNA (flesh) was corrupted, which is spelled out in detail in The Book of Enoch.  The picture that is painted in the Book of Enoch tells the history of the Watchers and their perverse acts against humanity.  The Watchers mated with the daughters of Adam and Eve, producing giants, who killed each other off under a managed program to eradicate them from the earth.  The Watchers retaliated by teaching people sorcery (the reprobated mystery).  This created a generation of beings that could not be inhabited by clean spirits, but would house the spirits of the damned from before the world was, the followers of Satan from the Council In Heaven who chose not to receive a physical body, otherwise known as the fallen angels.

Because of the massive scale of human corruption in flesh and behavior under these conditions, the Deluge was necessary to literally cleanse the earth from all life, with the few remaining humans that had gone into hiding and kept their blood (DNA pure), which was only 3 sons of Noah and his wife, with daughters selected by Noah's sons to go into the Ark.  The 3 young women were distant cousins to Noah's sons, not daughters of Noah and his wife, so there are the 8 that went into the Ark from which mankind re-populated from.

After the Great Flood, some of this corrupted DNA still manifest itself through at least one of the lines of Noah, manifested in the Rephaim, Anakim, and Goliath and his bothers amongst the Philistines.  Any post-flood people of God were ordered to exterminate any giants on contact, hence the commandments to the Children of Israel in the Old Testament.

The ancient monuments, statues, and texts of the Babylonians, Sumerians, Akkadians, Egyptians, Indians, Greeks, Ethiopians, and Dead Sea Scrolls tell of these events.  The ancient accounts of the Titans and other giants are not myths, but are history.

We don't live to be 700-999yrs and have not done so for thousands of years, one possibility being that what little corrupt DNA that made it through the flood cross-contaminated throughout mankind shortly after the flood.  You start to see why there is so much emphasis on bloodlines in the Old Testament, among royalty, and ruling classes throughout history.

Noah was a close descendant of Enoch, his great grandfather, and carried the Gospel teachings through the Flood to be passed down.  Most of Noah's children abandoned these teachings and descended into the valleys and far places of the earth, while Noah went into recluse in the mountains.  One of Noah's close descendants, Abram, came to live with him in his early days when he was evading King Nimrod after Abram's father sent him and his mother off to be hidden after birth.  King Nimrod had sent out a decree to have Noah killed under advice from his sorcerers.

Noah taught young Abram the ways of God, and when Abram returned to Ur at age 56 ( relatively young man then), he chastised his father for worshipping false idols after wrecking his father's shrine.  Abram then fled from Ur through Turkey and down into Palestine, which was promised to him and his seed.  He later became Abraham, and most of us are his descendants.

The literal blood lines back to Abraham are well-known and kept among Israelites (Sarah), Ishmaelites (Hagar), and other descendants of his wife, Keturah.

http://abrahams-legacy.org/images/family-tree.gif

The biggest challenge anyone who wants to discredit the Bible has-at least as a genealogical and historical document, really puts you in the position of having to erase most people's connection with Abraham, which simply can't be done.  There are billions of people who descended from him, their fathers knew it, and their father's father's knew it, etc.

Once you are forced into accepting Abraham (kicking and screaming as you might), you are now faced with his lineage from Noah.  You seriously then have to question the motive of anyone who is trying to discredit the scriptures contained in what we call the Bible.

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Wut.

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I'm not the one dounting so its not up to me to prove something that really can't be proved or disproved.

That's why you didn't see me post it.

Like I said, ultimately we all find out in the end.
I'm just not going around dumping on someone's beliefs or lack there of.

So, you got something in your back pocket to bring to the table or you just interneting today ?

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Ok, show me how God doesn't exist .

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Allegory not to be taken literally.

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Ok, show me how God doesn't exist .

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There are 3 primary time periods relevant to our progenitors before the flood that are not known to most, but are described in painful detail in The Book of Enoch, which was prevented from being canonized in the 4th Century when they were debating what scriptures would be included.  These periods are:

I. Adam and Eve in the Garden, the fall, banished from the Garden, procreation begins

II. The Watchers (angels assigned to the earth to watch over it) illegally take the daughters of Adam and Eve unto wife, and create an unholy race of giants. The Watchers send Enoch to Heaven to beg for them mercy from God.  The condemnation of the Watchers and their evil seed (giants), the wars of the giants with each other and man, devouring all living things in sight, and the slaughter of the giants among each other by management from righteous angels commanded to ensure they all die before they eat everything and everybody.

III. The Watchers retaliate by teaching surviving mankind (sons and daughters of Adam and Eve) sorcery, witchcraft, idolatry, fornication, "a reprobated mystery".  All of mankind except for a few pure bloods and purest blood possible women (3) are told to build the Ark to pass through the coming deluge, which must be released to cleanse the earth of the corrupted flesh.

Enoch 16: 2-4

Adam and Eve had many children and grandchildren, great grandchildren, great-great grandchildren.....

They lived to be almost 1000yrs old because their DNA had not been corrupted yet.  That was the normal life cycle for a human being until it was corrupted.

Within the generations of Adam, DNA (flesh) was corrupted, which is spelled out in detail in The Book of Enoch.  The picture that is painted in the Book of Enoch tells the history of the Watchers and their perverse acts against humanity.  The Watchers mated with the daughters of Adam and Eve, producing giants, who killed each other off under a managed program to eradicate them from the earth.  The Watchers retaliated by teaching people sorcery (the reprobated mystery).  This created a generation of beings that could not be inhabited by clean spirits, but would house the spirits of the damned from before the world was, the followers of Satan from the Council In Heaven who chose not to receive a physical body, otherwise known as the fallen angels.

Because of the massive scale of human corruption in flesh and behavior under these conditions, the Deluge was necessary to literally cleanse the earth from all life, with the few remaining humans that had gone into hiding and kept their blood (DNA pure), which was only 3 sons of Noah and his wife, with daughters selected by Noah's sons to go into the Ark.  The 3 young women were distant cousins to Noah's sons, not daughters of Noah and his wife, so there are the 8 that went into the Ark from which mankind re-populated from.

After the Great Flood, some of this corrupted DNA still manifest itself through at least one of the lines of Noah, manifested in the Rephaim, Anakim, and Goliath and his bothers amongst the Philistines.  Any post-flood people of God were ordered to exterminate any giants on contact, hence the commandments to the Children of Israel in the Old Testament.

The ancient monuments, statues, and texts of the Babylonians, Sumerians, Akkadians, Egyptians, Indians, Greeks, Ethiopians, and Dead Sea Scrolls tell of these events.  The ancient accounts of the Titans and other giants are not myths, but are history.

We don't live to be 700-999yrs and have not done so for thousands of years, one possibility being that what little corrupt DNA that made it through the flood cross-contaminated throughout mankind shortly after the flood.  You start to see why there is so much emphasis on bloodlines in the Old Testament, among royalty, and ruling classes throughout history.

Noah was a close descendant of Enoch, his great grandfather, and carried the Gospel teachings through the Flood to be passed down.  Most of Noah's children abandoned these teachings and descended into the valleys and far places of the earth, while Noah went into recluse in the mountains.  One of Noah's close descendants, Abram, came to live with him in his early days when he was evading King Nimrod after Abram's father sent him and his mother off to be hidden after birth.  King Nimrod had sent out a decree to have Noah killed under advice from his sorcerers.

Noah taught young Abram the ways of God, and when Abram returned to Ur at age 56 ( relatively young man then), he chastised his father for worshipping false idols after wrecking his father's shrine.  Abram then fled from Ur through Turkey and down into Palestine, which was promised to him and his seed.  He later became Abraham, and most of us are his descendants.

The literal blood lines back to Abraham are well-known and kept among Israelites (Sarah), Ishmaelites (Hagar), and other descendants of his wife, Keturah.

http://abrahams-legacy.org/images/family-tree.gif

The biggest challenge anyone who wants to discredit the Bible has-at least as a genealogical and historical document, really puts you in the position of having to erase most people's connection with Abraham, which simply can't be done.  There are billions of people who descended from him, their fathers knew it, and their father's father's knew it, etc.

Once you are forced into accepting Abraham (kicking and screaming as you might), you are now faced with his lineage from Noah.  You seriously then have to question the motive of anyone who is trying to discredit the scriptures contained in what we call the Bible.

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There is also a theory that Cain and Able were twins but not from the same father.

1 John 3:12 King James Version (KJV)
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

This theory goes that Satan transformed himself into an angel of light.

2 Corinthians 11:14 King James Version (KJV)
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
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It's true. There is like an entire book of dudes begatting other dudes.

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Starts coming down to what each individual believes then doesn't it ?

What gets me is so many here who don't believe come into a thread like this and start throwing out one liners like fairy tales , god down at exist ECT.

Then many later on will say prove god exist, and then talk about how they people pushing religion on them.

Yet many keep coming back to threads like this throwing out their negatives doing the same thing to those that believe or ask a serious question like the OP asked.

Why come in and start disrespecting someone's beliefs just because you don't have the same belief?

God can't be proven just like the Big Bang can't be proven.
Believe whatever you just stop being juvenile and disrespecting someone's belief system just because you don't like it.

We go back and forth on this as much as you want but in the end, like I stated several times in this thread already, we'll all find out the truth.

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Kind if my point.
Go up to and read.

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First of all, not here to bash the Bible, religion etc...

So if Adam and Eve concieved  Cain, Seth and Able, and some nameless daughter, how did they produce?  Was incest OK for that moment?

Never understood how way back when people lived to 900 y.o.,  Was there a different calender or did they eat healthier.

So lets now explain Noah, so him and his family are the only ones left on earth, you know because it rained for 40 days and 40 nights.

How did that family tree work out, was incest ok then too?

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Genesis 5:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

Yes Cain and Seth had children with one of their sisters.

Incest was not forbidden until Moses (Leviticus) some 2,000 years AFTER Adam/Eve.  You have Lot whose daughters slept with him after the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah.

There is also a theory that Cain and Able were twins but not from the same father.

1 John 3:12 King James Version (KJV)
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

This theory goes that Satan transformed himself into an angel of light.

2 Corinthians 11:14 King James Version (KJV)
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

1 Timothy 2:14 King James Version (KJV)
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Also there was no conception mentioned between the birth of Cain and able.  Twins can have two different daddys a we now know.

Genesis 4:1-2 King James Version (KJV)
4 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.

2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

That is why it is said.

Genesis 3:15 King James Version (KJV)
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Again the above is just a theory.

A theory as to "why did they live longer" would go back to Exonucleases.  They were not as prevalent in DNA, or were not programed as they are now.  What science calls "evolution" is merely adaptations already built in to the DNA.  So when certain criterias are met, then the switch in the DNA gets turned on.  It is code, and most likely has to do with PSALMS 119, and the letters in the Hebrew alphabet vs the pairs of chromosomes?  Again just theory.

Also the atmosphere was different back in Noah's day.

Noah's sons brought their wives with them on to the ark.  So yes the children from them created offspring with each other.

Genesis 7:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.

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Incest was ok. And God made it so no retards were made. Then after a few generations he was all like, "ok, no more  sister poking, or I'll make tards." Says so in Leviticus.

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Actually, the first few books of the Bible would make more sense if everyone was tarded.

"Let's challenge the God of the whole universe by building a tower."

"Oh, an angel, let's wrestle with him"

"Oh, another angel, let's buttrape him."

"We should all cut part of our dicks off."

"No bacon, but slaves and child marriage are o.k."

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/61337/9612200-662419.JPG

I keed, I keed.  

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^ and the perfect example of why I even posted in this thread to begin with.

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Cain married the creation of a competing God, maybe El or Baal Hadad.  The Noah kids had wives, but the grandkids probably got it on with Nephilim, as God tried to destroy them in the flood but it didn't take.

Or, you could say to yourself It's just a book I should really just relax.

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Incest was ok. And God made it so no retards were made. Then after a few generations he was all like, "ok, no more  sister poking, or I'll make tards." Says so in Leviticus.

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No, your so intent on trying to be right your reaching wherever you can.

Let people believe what they or don't want to.
If its not being directed at you why lower yourself ?

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I had some guy sitting next to me on a flight do just that.  From Adam and Eve , to Noah, and then every subsequent relative until the present day.

He. Wouldn't. Stop.