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Posted: 11/8/2021 7:37:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You'd have to replace the battery after 8 years in a modern EV about as often as you'd have to replace the transmission or engine in any other car after 8 years. Unless you are driving a Yugo, that statement is just fucking dumb. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 7:44:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Depreciation? Do Teslas even really depreciate much? You literally can't even get a non-wrecked Model S of ANY year for under 25k and the old ones are almost a decade old now. Yeah, that keeps getting brought up but every time I’ve looked at used Teslas they have seemed to hold value fairly well over time. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 7:45:25 PM EST
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Good luck charging your ev when the power grid is severely compromised by FJB and the lunatic left.
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Posted: 11/8/2021 7:46:54 PM EST
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Compare the time it takes to charge your EV over the course of a month, to the time it takes to fill up your car with gas. Then take that charging time and add that to sitting in traffic. What happens when you have to run the heat while sitting in a traffic jam when the ambient is below freezing? Will surely tank your range. Zero minutes? We charge at home in our garage while we sleep. Going for gas with my F150 is the inconvenience, not charging the Tesla. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 7:47:24 PM EST
[#5]
Good heavens dude. Consider safety. I suspect that you are much safer in your truck than a tiny EV.
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Posted: 11/8/2021 7:49:26 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good luck charging your ev when the power grid is severely compromised by FJB and the lunatic left. Yep. Everyone knows that FJB and the lunatic left won't severely comprise the oil and gas industry. Oh wait... |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 7:53:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good heavens dude. Consider safety. I suspect that you are much safer in your truck than a tiny EV. LOL, my Model X weighs more than my Supercrew F150. It's also the highest scoring SUV in the history of NHTSA testing. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 7:54:56 PM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: .87 cents per day |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 7:55:05 PM EST
[#9]
Quoted: I drive about 150 miles per day for work. Currently I have an F150 that gets about 15mpg. My question is, if I purchase a Tesla to drive, how much will it cost me in electricity to drive about 150 miles per day? Also, there are no oil changes so that saves money, but are there any other hidden fee's I'm unaware of? I'm trying to decide if it's worth is financially to make the jump to electric. Get that hybrid f150 |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 8:10:11 PM EST
[#10]
Speaking to a model 3.
No hidden fees. Take your electricity cost per kWh. A model 3 travels about 4 miles per kWh. Distance traveled / 4 = your kWh usage to charge. I pay $0.075/kWh I travel about 90 mi round trip and use approx 22-24 kWh, give or take depending on the day (take it easy on the throttle and you’ll be more efficient) 24 kWh X 0.075 $1.80 in electricity Teslas become more worth the cost the further your normal drive |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 8:18:24 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Compare the time it takes to charge your EV over the course of a month, to the time it takes to fill up your car with gas. Then take that charging time and add that to sitting in traffic. What happens when you have to run the heat while sitting in a traffic jam when the ambient is below freezing? Will surely tank your range. I charge at home while sleeping... so zero minutes. But for my non-EV I get off the highway, find a pump, fill up and get back on the highway. 15minutes. I live in Tx, so sub-freezing isn't a thing (or the whole state shuts down and it's not a thing for me). But heated seats and heated steering wheel are low draw and designed to work around the heater power drain. So what's your point again? |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 8:22:12 PM EST
[#12]
Assuming you drive to work 5 days a week for 50 weeks a year with 2 weeks vacation you will do 112,500 miles in 3 years.
a model 3 extended range with a 120,000 mile warranty traded in every 3 years would be ideal. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 8:31:39 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. My vehicles are maintained pretty well, and I run them till at least 200k unless they get totaled. Going on 12 years and about 162k on my Tundra right now. At my current usage rate I might have to calculate two battery maintenance/replacements into my costs. I also have questions on the reliability of an EV in cold weather conditions. Say I'm out on a hike for a week in the winter in sub freezing temps, is the EV going to be able make it somewhere to charge it up, as opposed to a gas vehicle that might just need the battery jumped? ETA: Looks like Tesla batteries can go 200k, not sure on the weather conditions those batteries faced. I wonder about how other EV batteries hold up compared to Tesla? There are tons of Tesla's running up here in Canada with no cold weather issues. I'm not a fan of EV's but if I had to buy one it would probably be a Tesla from the functional aspect. I don't like their interior styling and from what I hear their fit and finish sucks. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 8:35:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Base price for a model 3 is about 40k. The long range variant is over 50. How much gas can you buy for 50 grand? Don’t forget to factor the cost of interest on financing, or to charge whether at home or on the road when you do your final Calc. Is a gas powered car free? |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 8:42:29 PM EST
[#15]
Does your employer let you charge for free at work?
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Posted: 11/8/2021 8:47:11 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Model 3 gets about 4 miles per Kwh. For 150 miles per day you are looking at about 38 Kwh of electricity a day. Times that by your per kwh electricity cost to see what it will cost you. For our electricity costs here that would be about 17 bucks in electricity a week for your commute. I also have a 4runner that gets about 15mpg and in my experience the model 3 is way cheaper to run. And batteries are only warranted for 100k miles and cost 20k to replace. So 40k in addition to reach the 250k a modern ICE should hit. Then batteries in freezing weather isn't the best thing. Or not |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 8:48:31 PM EST
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None of the costs seem to take into account maintenance and insurance? My understanding is that Tesla insurance is not cheap. I doubt you’ll see any significant savings. Better off with a volt or Prius. I think each comes equipped with a dental dam.
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Posted: 11/8/2021 8:51:10 PM EST
[#18]
Depends on your electric rate
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Posted: 11/8/2021 8:51:54 PM EST
[#19]
You can drive the f150 250k more miles for the price of a new Tesla.
I don't think Tesla drivers are the kind of people to keep cars that long. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 8:51:57 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Get that hybrid f150 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I drive about 150 miles per day for work. Currently I have an F150 that gets about 15mpg. My question is, if I purchase a Tesla to drive, how much will it cost me in electricity to drive about 150 miles per day? Also, there are no oil changes so that saves money, but are there any other hidden fee's I'm unaware of? I'm trying to decide if it's worth is financially to make the jump to electric. Get that hybrid f150 The ultimate "Get Both" |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 8:56:51 PM EST
[#21]
 WHY WOULD ANY ONE SPEND ALL THIS MONEY TO BUY ELECTRIC WHEN IT TAKES 10HR TO CHARGE |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 8:58:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless you are driving a Yugo, that statement is just fucking dumb. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You'd have to replace the battery after 8 years in a modern EV about as often as you'd have to replace the transmission or engine in any other car after 8 years. Unless you are driving a Yugo, that statement is just fucking dumb. bought kia sorento hybrid this year. my first question was about the battery warranty. kia its part of the 100k power train warranty, dealer throws in. lifetime power train warranty on new cars. so technically i will never pay for a battery replacement as long as i own the car. talking to LP and some local kia techs here they have never replaced a battery in one of their EV/hybrids so it appears to be very rare and they have been out for more than 8 years. After doing some actual research it really became a non concern for me. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 8:59:32 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless you are driving a Yugo, that statement is just fucking dumb. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You'd have to replace the battery after 8 years in a modern EV about as often as you'd have to replace the transmission or engine in any other car after 8 years. Unless you are driving a Yugo, that statement is just fucking dumb. So is the idea that you should budget replacing the battery in an EV after 8 years. Fucking dumb. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 8:59:43 PM EST
[#24]
Back before the craziness in the used car market, I'd of bought an old Camry, Corolla, or Accord and kept the F-150.
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Posted: 11/8/2021 9:02:19 PM EST
[#25]
Im just here for the link to a new F150 supercrew for $37,000 ...can you really get one for that?
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Posted: 11/8/2021 9:03:19 PM EST
[#26]
The real question is how long does it take to fill up your gas tank vs recharge your battery? A hybrid is a half assed compromise. You get to do both.
For 25 years I traveled in sales 50,000 to 70,000 miles a year. In some cases, more than 1800 miles a week with 600lb. of samples and supplies. A battery car might work for some city slickers but for me would be a nightmare. The last thing I want is to be looking for a plug-in in the middle of BC, Alberta, Alaska, or Idaho. Screw that. For me it's about being where I need to be on time not the cost. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 9:04:13 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So is the idea that you should budget replacing the battery in an EV after 8 years. Fucking dumb. except that doesn't really seem to be the case for many of these cars. battery tech will continue to get better and cheaper. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 9:31:47 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Per mile if you are lucky. I would think the Tesla would come in at double that minimum. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: .87 cents per day That’s called not thinking. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 9:37:08 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good question ?? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Think about the cost to replace the batteries every 8 years . Also Tesla knows if a unlicensed tech is working on the car and Tesla will lock the car out. Also here in va you pay a $400/yr highway tax that normally is paid through gas prices. Good question ?? Pay cash in full for a new cell phone then try and install your own operating system or remove their programs and tinker with it. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 9:37:31 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The real question is how long does it take to fill up your gas tank vs recharge your battery? A hybrid is a half assed compromise. You get to do both. For 25 years I traveled in sales 50,000 to 70,000 miles a year. In some cases, more than 1800 miles a week with 600lb. of samples and supplies. A battery car might work for some city slickers but for me would be a nightmare. The last thing I want is to be looking for a plug-in in the middle of BC, Alberta, Alaska, or Idaho. Screw that. For me it's about being where I need to be on time not the cost. not all hybrids are plugin, mine isn't. for my 60 mile daily commute getting 40+mpg in a midsize suv is nice. but yea they are great for daily commute drivers not so much for what you do today. thus i also have an f150 kings ranch. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 9:58:43 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There are tons of Tesla's running up here in Canada with no cold weather issues. I'm not a fan of EV's but if I had to buy one it would probably be a Tesla from the functional aspect. I don't like their interior styling and from what I hear their fit and finish sucks. The current models have improved a lot with regards to the heating and cooling. The models even a few years ago used a lot of your battery for heating and cooling. My coworker in norway reports about 30% decrease in his range when running the heater in the winter in a ~5yr old P100D. My buddy who has this year's model says its closer to 10%. Neither of them live far enough south to get a good idea how much the AC zaps away from the range. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 10:00:38 PM EST
[#32]
financially OP should get a Toyota camary, get approx 35 mpg
costs approx $12,000 less than a tesla 3 will last for well over 250,000 miles or over 6 years at 150 miles/day More than likely it'll last much longer than that. Much longer than the tesla will last and no buying a new battery. how many charging cycles is a tesla battery good for? why anyone who drives 150 miles per day is driving an f150 is beyond me. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 10:00:56 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: except that doesn't really seem to be the case for many of these cars. battery tech will continue to get better and cheaper. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So is the idea that you should budget replacing the battery in an EV after 8 years. Fucking dumb. except that doesn't really seem to be the case for many of these cars. battery tech will continue to get better and cheaper. Either I'm going crazy or you are all missing his point. His point is that you will NOT be replacing these batteries on the regular. Quoted: You'd have to replace the battery after 8 years in a modern EV about as often as you'd have to replace the transmission or engine in any other car after 8 years. I took his point to be you don't need to replace them in 8 years just like you don't have to replace the engine or transmission in normal cars after 8 years. Either I'm misreading it or several of you in this thread are. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 10:22:04 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/114071/screenshot-tiremeetsroad_com-2021_11_08--2160136.png WHY WOULD ANY ONE SPEND ALL THIS MONEY TO BUY ELECTRIC WHEN IT TAKES 10HR TO CHARGE My employer has free EV charging at work. Eventually charging your car at work will be like charging your phone at work, normal and expected. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 11:03:51 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My employer has free EV charging at work. Eventually charging your car at work will be like charging your phone at work, normal and expected. I doubt that will be common. Maybe large companies but not even close to a majority of businesses will pay to install the systems to charge energize bunny cars at work. |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 11:17:35 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good luck charging your ev when the power grid is severely compromised by FJB and the lunatic left. So he is going to completely destroy the grid but gas pumps are gonna be fine? |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 11:25:49 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I doubt that will be common. Maybe large companies but not even close to a majority of businesses will pay to install the systems to charge energize bunny cars at work. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My employer has free EV charging at work. Eventually charging your car at work will be like charging your phone at work, normal and expected. I doubt that will be common. Maybe large companies but not even close to a majority of businesses will pay to install the systems to charge energize bunny cars at work. They said the same thing about bathrooms 100 years ago and AC 50 years ago |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 11:45:03 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Im just here for the link to a new F150 supercrew for $37,000 ...can you really get one for that? I just checked. A total stripper, 4x2 and all. 39kish otd  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/8/2021 11:57:02 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So he is going to completely destroy the grid but gas pumps are gonna be fine? Ask Texas, they have the most experience in failing grids. Haha |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 1:08:04 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Here you go... just quoting myself from the thread the other day... so it's a bit out of context, but the math is still good: Long story short... 150 miles costs us about $6 in the Taycan. Quote HistoryQuoted: Here you go... just quoting myself from the thread the other day... so it's a bit out of context, but the math is still good: Quoted: Crazy  I mean... my truck IS a Hummer on 35"s, lol. And our electricity is about .13/kwh (and we have the 93kwh battery). ... Even in the 911, it's like $60 to fill up... and you could get 400 miles out of it... probably... like in concept. ... Obviously these numbers would be different for everybody, but for me it looks like: Taycan: $12 (with this months elec rate) for ~290 miles (our average range per charge for the last year). Truck: $88 (last tank from low fuel light on) for ~330 miles (if I drive nice). 911: ~$55 for ~400 miles (splitting the difference on the 21/28 fuel economy for that one, lol). or Taycan: 4.13 cents per mile Hummer: 26.67 cents per mile 911: 13.75 cents per mile Long story short... 150 miles costs us about $6 in the Taycan. Nice breakdown my brah but a Hummer is not a truck so give me 10 pushups. |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 2:05:24 AM EST
[#41]
My Mustang Mach e averages 3 miles per KW. Charging at home is about 10 cents per KW.
So about $5.00 150 miles÷3 kw/mile=50kw 50kw ×.10= $5.00 150 miles @ 15 mpg = 10 gal. 10gal x $3.25 per gal =$32.50 You would save $27.50 each trip. I also have a F-150. It mostly sits in the garage unless I'm towing the horse trailer or going to Home Depot. Today we went on a 250 mile round trip. We we able to charge for a couple of hours for free at a type 2 charger at a shopping center across the street from the hospital where i was having outpatient surgery. We could have made the round-trip without recharging but then we didn't have to worry about running low and it was free. I don't know of anywhere to get free gasoline.  |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 2:11:23 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They said the same thing about bathrooms 100 years ago and AC 50 years ago Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: My employer has free EV charging at work. Eventually charging your car at work will be like charging your phone at work, normal and expected. I doubt that will be common. Maybe large companies but not even close to a majority of businesses will pay to install the systems to charge energize bunny cars at work. They said the same thing about bathrooms 100 years ago and AC 50 years ago In 50 to 100 years I will not be worried about commuting. |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 2:14:40 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So he is going to completely destroy the grid but gas pumps are gonna be fine? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Good luck charging your ev when the power grid is severely compromised by FJB and the lunatic left. So he is going to completely destroy the grid but gas pumps are gonna be fine? I can't believe the morans that come up with this in every EV thread. The government is going to shut off electricity to people's homes to keep them from traveling anywhere but they will leave the gas stations open. 
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Posted: 11/9/2021 2:16:38 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Disagree with the first point. Op already owns the f150. It’s a sunk cost. The decision here isn’t should I buy a truck or a tesla, it’s I have a truck should I add a tesla to save money. Excellent second point. This can be a not insignificant cost, depending on labor in your area if you’re not capable of doing it diy. And idk what a charger costs from tesla. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: To be fair I would subtract the price of the gas vehicle to use that as the amount of gas that comes "with" the vehicle compared to the EV. You might need add costs to support the charging of your EV which likely entails a new 40-50amp circuit for the charger, and in older homes around here installing an electric panel upgrade to have room for the charger's circuit. Disagree with the first point. Op already owns the f150. It’s a sunk cost. The decision here isn’t should I buy a truck or a tesla, it’s I have a truck should I add a tesla to save money. Excellent second point. This can be a not insignificant cost, depending on labor in your area if you’re not capable of doing it diy. And idk what a charger costs from tesla. I bought a good heavy duty dumb charger for $495. I could have just used the portable that came with the car. The electrician charged $600 to put in two RV type plugs , one in the garage and another outside. In some states you can get $1000 tax credit for that in addition to the $7500 I'll get for the Ford. |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 2:19:03 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My Mustang Mach e averages 3 miles per KW. Charging at home is about 10 cents per KW. So about $5.00 150 miles÷3 kw/mile=50kw 50kw ×.10= $5.00 150 miles @ 15 mpg = 10 gal. 10gal x $3.25 per gal =$32.50 You would save $27.50 each trip. I also have a F-150. It mostly sits in the garage unless I'm towing the horse trailer or going to Home Depot. Today we went on a 250 mile round trip. We we able to charge for a couple of hours for free at a type 2 charger at a shopping center across the street from the hospital where i was having outpatient surgery. We could have made the round-trip without recharging but then we didn't have to worry about running low and it was free. I don't know of anywhere to get free gasoline. https://i.imgur.com/ZEyD1eR.jpeg If I had to wait 2 hours to Charge a car I would rather pay to use gas that takes only 5 min to fill the car...I have better things to do then be attached to a vehicle..I think this would be good for driving around town not driving NY to Philly |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 2:20:17 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice breakdown my brah but a Hummer is not a truck so give me 10 pushups. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Here you go... just quoting myself from the thread the other day... so it's a bit out of context, but the math is still good: Quoted: Crazy I mean... my truck IS a Hummer on 35"s, lol. And our electricity is about .13/kwh (and we have the 93kwh battery). ... Even in the 911, it's like $60 to fill up... and you could get 400 miles out of it... probably... like in concept. ... Obviously these numbers would be different for everybody, but for me it looks like: Taycan: $12 (with this months elec rate) for ~290 miles (our average range per charge for the last year). Truck: $88 (last tank from low fuel light on) for ~330 miles (if I drive nice). 911: ~$55 for ~400 miles (splitting the difference on the 21/28 fuel economy for that one, lol). or Taycan: 4.13 cents per mile Hummer: 26.67 cents per mile 911: 13.75 cents per mile Long story short... 150 miles costs us about $6 in the Taycan. Nice breakdown my brah but a Hummer is not a truck so give me 10 pushups. What would you call it then? 
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Posted: 11/9/2021 2:20:32 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A close friend in the insurance business that works for Allstate told me Tesla's are about twice as expensive on insurance as a truck/SUV. I believe that is true give or take. But my Mach e is about the same as my Chevy Equinox was. I think it has to do with cost of collision repairs being much higher on Teslas |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 2:20:46 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Check into insurance cost. I'd REALLY like a Tesla, but it would cost twice the premium of my 2020 RAM 1500. What's the reason for that? |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 2:23:19 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve always wondered how much more you spend on tires and other maintenance on brakes and such since the Tesla’s are so much heavier. Bakes almost never get used. One pedal driving and regenerative breaking for the win. My 10,000 mile service consists of tire rotation and an inspection. |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 2:26:27 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not that simple, do you have access to a charging station at work and home? In my opinion the biggest drawback to EVs is the time it takes to recharge the batteries, in 5 minutes you can pull into a gas station and fill your tank with a gasser. 90% of EV charging is done at home. It's fully charged and ready to go in the morning. No time spent refueling at all with a 150 mile a day commute. |
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