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Posted: 1/21/2022 10:07:48 PM EDT
[#1]
I hope things get better in two years. My 14yo will be getting my wifes 2015 Honda Pilot and we’ll be shopping for a new suv. If things do get better, the people who paid these crazy prices will be screwed. The repo guys are gonna be busy!
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Posted: 1/21/2022 10:07:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How is this not considered price gouging? Don’t price gouging laws make it illegal to charge “unreasonable prices for essential goods and services” during times of emergency? And hasn’t the government been howling at the moon since Covid hit that this is an emergency? You think new vehicles are essential? |
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Posted: 1/21/2022 10:08:43 PM EDT
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Lol Jeep dealer by my house has a lot full of $65k plus Wranglers with cheap lift kits, 35s and 37s on stock axles and cheap bumpers. Some are absurdly priced. I have more $$ in my axles than I paid for my Wrangler.
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Posted: 1/21/2022 10:10:28 PM EDT
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The average new car price is now $47,000.
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Posted: 1/21/2022 10:19:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People keep saying price gouging is a myth…. All I know is that vehicles that dealers that have ADMs were acquired by the dealer for invoice If it’s anything bleeds heart liberals do… I wish they abolish dealers Franchise laws and get rid of them I want to buy my shit from the factory Just goes to prove you have no clue what you're talking about or think you know. Also, I'm willing to put up the money this very moment to purchase your home for its 2019 valuation, comrade. |
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Posted: 1/21/2022 10:22:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am in Drums. Maybe I should test drive it and offer 5k under invoice. I really don't have anything better to do tomorrow. That's where I'm moving to. Close on my house 2/8. I like the area. Already found Dave's gun shop. 7 minutes from my house. |
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Posted: 1/21/2022 10:31:16 PM EDT
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For all of you that think pricing is bad right now... this year is going to be worse than last year.
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Posted: 1/21/2022 10:40:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are no “price gouging” laws, at least not for vehicles. The dealer can literally ask a billion dollars over sticker and NO laws will be broken. Laws against so-called gouging are socialist. |
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Posted: 1/21/2022 10:42:42 PM EDT
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No one’s owes you a truck at any price. You aren’t entitled to any consumer product.
There is no such thing as price gouging. Y’all need to grow up and stop being socialists. |
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Posted: 1/21/2022 10:47:57 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No one’s owes you a truck at any price. You aren’t entitled to any consumer product. There is no such thing as price gouging. Y’all need to grow up and stop being socialists. Agreed. Something is worth what others are willing to pay for it. |
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Posted: 1/21/2022 10:50:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed. Something is worth what others are willing to pay for it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No one’s owes you a truck at any price. You aren’t entitled to any consumer product. There is no such thing as price gouging. Y’all need to grow up and stop being socialists. Agreed. Something is worth what others are willing to pay for it. I've been selling Super Duties to out of state dealerships at $10-15k over MSRP and they're turning around and selling them over that to their customers.... Shit is 
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Posted: 1/21/2022 11:03:26 PM EDT
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This is what happens when an entire country realizes all at the same time that their currency will be worth significantly less in the future.
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Posted: 1/21/2022 11:10:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dealers are just the middleman…..we need to move away from the antiquated setup of needing to go through one and have direct order and deliver from manufacturers. They can have service centers instead. Isn't "service" their bread and butter anyway..? I've ofren heard that dealers don't make much on the sale of a car unless they can get you to buy all the bullshit extras like paint protection, rust proofing and shit . |
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Posted: 1/21/2022 11:13:55 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You think new vehicles are essential? Yes, I believe that personal transportation is essential. |
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Posted: 1/21/2022 11:13:57 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No one’s owes you a truck at any price. You aren’t entitled to any consumer product. There is no such thing as price gouging. Y’all need to grow up and stop being socialists. I agree 100% but I also don’t have to pay what I feel is too much for something. |
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Posted: 1/21/2022 11:15:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree. I wish the dealer model would end. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's not when you are required to use a third party to order the vehicle you want. It's 2022, you should be able to just call up a Ford rep, order what you want at the current MSRP plus delivery, and get on the list. Dealers in the middle can turn it into a skim fest and you have to call all over to see who is going to fuck you the least. I agree. I wish the dealer model would end. I do have to ask, honest question: how does this work? How do you test drive a vehicle if there is not one or several to drive at a dealer? |
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Posted: 1/21/2022 11:17:16 PM EDT
[#17]
I think a lot of the “muh capitalism” people here got bent over on the car/truck they recently bought and are trying to justify it.
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Posted: 1/21/2022 11:18:09 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I do have to ask, honest question: how does this work? How do you test drive a vehicle if there is not one or several to drive at a dealer? Just make them factory show rooms. |
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Posted: 1/21/2022 11:26:59 PM EDT
[#19]
I bought a Bronco Badlands Sasquatch for sticker. I was a day 1 order and got the price in writing.
When I went to pick it up, there were 2 sets of people were there trying to buy it. The dealer told them if I didnt take it, the price was $15k over sticker, which they were willing to pay. Fucking crazy times. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 12:13:20 AM EDT
[#20]
unless you absolutely need to buy a vehicle, now is not the best time to do so
simple as |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 12:25:10 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just make them factory show rooms. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I do have to ask, honest question: how does this work? How do you test drive a vehicle if there is not one or several to drive at a dealer? Just make them factory show rooms. With all the models… makes sense, and what I was considering after I hit submit on that post. A much smaller footprint, with just several examples of the vehicles but no acres of inventory. …Because test drives are mandatory, even now. I’ve had vehicles I wanted that were instantly disqualified when I sat in them and drove them. Even features … I test drove a newer Cherokee (than my ‘17) and it had lane keep assist… F that crap. I drive straight lines but often dodge potholes so I move BOOP about the BOOPBOOP lane on BOOPBOOPBOOOPBOOOP occasion. 
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Posted: 1/22/2022 1:13:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's where I'm moving to. Close on my house 2/8. I like the area. Already found Dave's gun shop. 7 minutes from my house. Welcome to the neighborhood! The folks at Daves are great people and treat me well! I live close the Honey Hole Winery, so about the same distance |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 1:24:44 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No one’s owes you a truck at any price. You aren’t entitled to any consumer product. There is no such thing as price gouging. Y’all need to grow up and stop being socialists. That’s much nicer than what I was gonna say. But same point. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 1:34:00 AM EDT
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New light-vehicle sales totaled 14.93 million units in 2021, up 3.1% from 2020’s 14.47 million. December 2021’s SAAR totaled just
12.44 million units, down 23.7% from December 2020. Since the summer, light-vehicle sales have been held back by limited inventory caused primarily by the ongoing global semiconductor microchip shortage’s impact on new-vehicle production. Otherwise, sales would likely have topped 17 million units for the year. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 1:38:59 AM EDT
[#25]
I can tell you from first hand experience, the market is just plain nuts. I've been shopping a Ford F250 Super Duty. I've been lurking around on the Ford Super Duty forums and I can tell you that things will only get worse. Go to Fords site and do an inventory search for your area on the vehicle you want and look at the window sticker. If it's got a green sticker, it's a custom build for a customer and already spoken for. Everything has a green window sticker except for stripped down fleet vehicles. As far as I can tell, in all reality, Ford is becoming backed up by 9 months to a year at it's current rate. Trucks literally trickle into dealers.
Inflation is a bitch, and our supply chain is a cluster. Crazy times! I feel so damn old because I keep saying to my wife that "I never thought I'd live to see this". |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 1:42:10 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I bought a Bronco Badlands Sasquatch for sticker. I was a day 1 order and got the price in writing. When I went to pick it up, there were 2 sets of people were there trying to buy it. The dealer told them if I didnt take it, the price was $15k over sticker, which they were willing to pay. Fucking crazy times. Geez....be clear. Did you pay sticker or $15,000 over sticker? |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 1:44:53 AM EDT
[#27]
I just put a brand new factory engine in my 2015 Silverado with 200,000 miles on it because of the availability of new ones and the +sticker price they are asking.
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Posted: 1/22/2022 1:46:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree that have said screw it, let’s be pigs. I disagree that they have done the long term math vs just going for the short term. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 50% markups make up for a lot of pissed off customers as oppossed to truding along at 5% mark ups. If your normal net margins are 5% and you are able to jack prices by 50% when the market conditions allow it and increase your net margins to ~55%, you can bring forward an entire decade's worth of profit into one year. I know it sounds terrible but who cares if your customers are pissed off at that point? Never mind the fact that a good portion of customers will forget and a good portion of your customers will have never experienced it in the first place because of normal turnover. I completely understand where these auto dealers or in past times Cheaper Than Dirt are coming from no matter how bad of a taste it leaves in my mouth. It's always good to think about the long game but don't forget to get while the getting is good either. It's often the case that people more often care about what you can do for them today than what you did for them a year ago. Not in everything, but certainly in some areas. I have commercial customers where I've held the line for years as a matter of helping a long time customer but when the shoe is on the other foot and I need some help on pricing it's "So sorry about your bad luck, can't do anything for you". Loyalty is good in business but it's not indefinite either. They can’t pull a decades of profit into a year because they don’t have the volume to do so. When the volume comes back, A ton of people are going to go to dealerships that did not piss them off instead. They are taking a short term view of- Let’s ass rape whoever we can whenever we can now- And in the same way I have never bought anything from CTD again, I will never buy from them. I don't know how much profit they can pull in to the current year. I just used the example for illustrative purposes because I think it's lost on people the degree to which small increases in price can result in much larger increases in profit on a percentage basis. Keeping it super simple once against for illustrative purposes: If an item costs you $1.00 and you sell it for $1.05 then your profit is $0.05 If you suddenly get in a position of unusual market power and can raise the price to $1.25 then your price only went up 19% but your profit went up 400%. I'm just trying to illustrate the phenomenon going on here. These dealers don't care how mad you are. It sounds like they are making a killing and it wouldn't shock me if it more than makes up for several years of negative goodwill with customers. In this thread people are acting like these dealers don't know how bad they are screwing themselves in the future but I disagree. I think they know it, have done the math, and said screw it, let's be pigs. I agree that have said screw it, let’s be pigs. I disagree that they have done the long term math vs just going for the short term. I think its a mistake to presume people who do something for a living to be fools at it. Cheaper Than Dirt still exists in 2022. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 1:47:20 AM EDT
[#29]
Dealerships are what they are but people are their own worst enemy. It’s like milk in a southern snow storm stupid.
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Posted: 1/22/2022 1:50:51 AM EDT
[#30]
Also, if you want a Ford vehicle at 4% under invoice, check out Horsham Ford in PA. You'll be waiting a long while, but you'll get a great price and they require no deposit, so there is no risk to you. It's what I did. If I don't buy it at that price, they'll happily sell it to someone else. win-win. They get a larger allocation in the future, and you get a good price.
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Posted: 1/22/2022 1:51:46 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: More info on the cost increases? Is it for everything (steel, parts, etc) or just specific items? Are most suppliers locked into a fixed price contract for X amount of time, or X number of parts? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I guess if people stop driving cars that could happen. Choppers are a luxury item. Regular cars and trucks are appliances that wear out. Just wait for the price increases that are coming. Suppliers are getting hammered with huge cost increases that have not been passed to the OEMs yet. More info on the cost increases? Is it for everything (steel, parts, etc) or just specific items? Are most suppliers locked into a fixed price contract for X amount of time, or X number of parts? Materials and labor across the board. I am an automotive supplier and we do have long term contracts but we do have exceptions in those contracts for materials. But even without that, when push comes to shove, suppliers will break those contracts if necessary to survive and OEMs WILL pay at the end of the day because defunct suppliers dont ship parts. I have a major customer I'm going through this with right now. I gave them my 2022 prices and if they don't like it they can find someone else...oh wait they can't because getting a new supplier up and running on scores of programs takes years presuming you can find anyone with capacity in the first place. I canr continue if I can't put through cost increases on labor and material. It's just not possible. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 1:54:49 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No one’s owes you a truck at any price. You aren’t entitled to any consumer product. There is no such thing as price gouging. Y’all need to grow up and stop being socialists. I’m not being a communist. Not a single fucktard at the dealership designed, improved, assembled, built, tested, certified, etc. those vehicles. They have a legal and political stranglehold on the cars coming out of the car companies factories. Not a single dime of what the dealership makes flings into more HP, a sweeter sport foe the peak of the torque curve, better brakes, better mpg, better transmission, etc. I’ll be happy to pay the factory exactly what they charge the dealer for a car I order. I’ll be happy to pay the factory a non - discount price due to demand, shortage, increased costs on their part, etc. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 2:14:45 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m not being a communist. Not a single fucktard at the dealership designed, improved, assembled, built, tested, certified, etc. those vehicles. They have a legal and political stranglehold on the cars coming out of the car companies factories. Not a single dime of what the dealership makes flings into more HP, a sweeter sport foe the peak of the torque curve, better brakes, better mpg, better transmission, etc. I’ll be happy to pay the factory exactly what they charge the dealer for a car I order. I’ll be happy to pay the factory a non - discount price due to demand, shortage, increased costs on their part, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No one’s owes you a truck at any price. You aren’t entitled to any consumer product. There is no such thing as price gouging. Y’all need to grow up and stop being socialists. I’m not being a communist. Not a single fucktard at the dealership designed, improved, assembled, built, tested, certified, etc. those vehicles. They have a legal and political stranglehold on the cars coming out of the car companies factories. Not a single dime of what the dealership makes flings into more HP, a sweeter sport foe the peak of the torque curve, better brakes, better mpg, better transmission, etc. I’ll be happy to pay the factory exactly what they charge the dealer for a car I order. I’ll be happy to pay the factory a non - discount price due to demand, shortage, increased costs on their part, etc. Where is this same feigned outrage at your local grocery store, Walmart, sporting goods store, or online ammo retailer? "I'm not being a communist."   Attached File |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 2:25:12 AM EDT
[#34]
Consumers are out of control.
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Posted: 1/22/2022 2:29:07 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m not being a communist. Not a single fucktard at the dealership designed, improved, assembled, built, tested, certified, etc. those vehicles. They have a legal and political stranglehold on the cars coming out of the car companies factories. Not a single dime of what the dealership makes flings into more HP, a sweeter sport foe the peak of the torque curve, better brakes, better mpg, better transmission, etc. I’ll be happy to pay the factory exactly what they charge the dealer for a car I order. I’ll be happy to pay the factory a non - discount price due to demand, shortage, increased costs on their part, etc. The truth of the matter is that the manufacturers do not want to sell cars directly to the public. Period. Ford, GM, Toyota et al want to sell cars to the dealerships, and have the dealership as a buffer between them and the public. It has nothing to do with dealerships having a stranglehold on the manufacturers If anything, as a dealer you're at the whim of the manufacturer, and your dealer rep. Dealerships also handle parts and service. Warranty work. Do you really think that manufacturers are also going to want to service your vehicle? They don't want to do that. Everyone hates the car dealer. Been that way since the Model T. I'm glad I'm retired and never have to deal with the average American new car buyer again. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 4:02:36 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where is this same feigned outrage at your local grocery store, Walmart, sporting goods store, or online ammo retailer? "I'm not being a communist." /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/Jennifer-Lawrence-ok-thumbs-up_zps5c0357b9_GIF-103.gif Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: No one’s owes you a truck at any price. You aren’t entitled to any consumer product. There is no such thing as price gouging. Y’all need to grow up and stop being socialists. I’m not being a communist. Not a single fucktard at the dealership designed, improved, assembled, built, tested, certified, etc. those vehicles. They have a legal and political stranglehold on the cars coming out of the car companies factories. Not a single dime of what the dealership makes flings into more HP, a sweeter sport foe the peak of the torque curve, better brakes, better mpg, better transmission, etc. I’ll be happy to pay the factory exactly what they charge the dealer for a car I order. I’ll be happy to pay the factory a non - discount price due to demand, shortage, increased costs on their part, etc. Where is this same feigned outrage at your local grocery store, Walmart, sporting goods store, or online ammo retailer? "I'm not being a communist." /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/Jennifer-Lawrence-ok-thumbs-up_zps5c0357b9_GIF-103.gif I can hop in my car and buy all sorts of jams, jellies, dairy products, eggs, poultry, pork, beef, honey, vegetables, etc. locally straight from the source. I can order all sorts of sporting goods, ammo, etc. straight from the source. I can not go to a car factory and grab what I want or order one straight to my house. I do not have to go to an official Remington dealer, Winchester dealer, etc. to buy ammo. A political, legal system is in place protecting dealers from buyers keeping them from purchasing straight from the maker. Exactly the kind of shit communists do. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 4:09:06 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, I believe that personal transportation is essential. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You think new vehicles are essential? Yes, I believe that personal transportation is essential. I haven't owned a vehicle in years and I'm doing just fine. Always get a kick out of these threads. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 4:14:32 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I haven't owned a vehicle in years and I'm doing just fine. Always get a kick out of these threads. I spotted a poor |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 4:52:47 AM EDT
[#39]
If the democrats have their way - it will not matter. Sorry, your social credit score is not high enough to own a new vehicle. Take the bus you lousy Nazi republican.
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Posted: 1/22/2022 6:42:52 AM EDT
[#40]
Dealership close to me has/had a TRX with a $50k markup….sticker was 150k lol
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Posted: 1/22/2022 7:42:56 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: With all the models… makes sense, and what I was considering after I hit submit on that post. A much smaller footprint, with just several examples of the vehicles but no acres of inventory. …Because test drives are mandatory, even now. I’ve had vehicles I wanted that were instantly disqualified when I sat in them and drove them. Even features … I test drove a newer Cherokee (than my ‘17) and it had lane keep assist… F that crap. I drive straight lines but often dodge potholes so I move BOOP about the BOOPBOOP lane on BOOPBOOPBOOOPBOOOP occasion. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I do have to ask, honest question: how does this work? How do you test drive a vehicle if there is not one or several to drive at a dealer? Just make them factory show rooms. With all the models… makes sense, and what I was considering after I hit submit on that post. A much smaller footprint, with just several examples of the vehicles but no acres of inventory. …Because test drives are mandatory, even now. I’ve had vehicles I wanted that were instantly disqualified when I sat in them and drove them. Even features … I test drove a newer Cherokee (than my ‘17) and it had lane keep assist… F that crap. I drive straight lines but often dodge potholes so I move BOOP about the BOOPBOOP lane on BOOPBOOPBOOOPBOOOP occasion. Granted, up until recently I've only bought used, but I don't think I've ever test driven a vehicle. I bought a few at auction down south, drove down and got them. My current truck I called the dealership because they had the size and trim level I wanted and told them I would pick it up in two days. My test drive was the 3 hour drive home. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 8:11:40 AM EDT
[#42]
I was in the market for a new car
Jokes on them. I can keep the mant. going on my honda and just wait them out a few years 
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Posted: 1/22/2022 8:14:49 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol Jeep dealer by my house has a lot full of $65k plus Wranglers with cheap lift kits, 35s and 37s on stock axles and cheap bumpers. Some are absurdly priced. I have more $$ in my axles than I paid for my Wrangler. They do the same thing here. Add cheap lifts and "upgrade" packages the equivalent of true coat then jack up the prices. I always buy base trims. Especially wranglers. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 8:38:21 AM EDT
[#44]
Buying fleet vehicles has been really crappy, and we end up with sort of what we can get and not always what we want .
Transit vans, tough to find. I just got 3 of them and I need 6 Peterbilts took me a year to get, they are getting bodies on them now Ended up with a couple of Chevy express vans with utility bodies on them, and a couple of pickups with camper shells |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 9:02:42 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was in the market for a new car Jokes on them. I can keep the mant. going on my honda and just wait them out a few years You're lucky. I have to find a vehicle and I'm stuck paying nosebleed rices for a used suv. What I've seen: 1) dealerships absolutely will not sell inventory to other dealers. They're offering $5k over sticker, but dealers with inventory won't sell because the market is hot and they fear losing future allocation. 2) you can get better financing on a new vehicle, but thats only if you can find a new vehicle. Toyota is selling 2022 4runners, but you'll wait 3-5 months to get the one you ordered. 3) used Nissan and domestic sedans are elevated in price, but much more reasonable than trucks/suvs. Jeep grand Cherokees are fairly relatively reasonable in price. 4) Any 4runner 2015 or newer is bringing in stupid money. You can find a "deal" as long as you're ok with 140k+ miles on the odometer (or something beat to hell). 5) full size trucks? Good luck. I talked to a guy at the dealership who drove 650 miles just to buy a truck. He said he'd been looking for months. 6) you can forget haggling over price. 7) it's possible to save a little cash if you're ok with buying a used car, unseen in person, from carmax, vroom, or carvana. But you won't save much ($1k or so) relative to the risk of buying a used car unseen. 8) Because I have to buy a vehicle now, used car prices will plummet this coming Monday at 3:30pm (when I pick up my used 4runner). Wait until Tuesday morning and get what you want at normal prices. You're welcome. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 9:12:09 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m not being a communist. Not a single fucktard at the dealership designed, improved, assembled, built, tested, certified, etc. those vehicles. They have a legal and political stranglehold on the cars coming out of the car companies factories. Not a single dime of what the dealership makes flings into more HP, a sweeter sport foe the peak of the torque curve, better brakes, better mpg, better transmission, etc. I’ll be happy to pay the factory exactly what they charge the dealer for a car I order. I’ll be happy to pay the factory a non - discount price due to demand, shortage, increased costs on their part, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No one’s owes you a truck at any price. You aren’t entitled to any consumer product. There is no such thing as price gouging. Y’all need to grow up and stop being socialists. I’m not being a communist. Not a single fucktard at the dealership designed, improved, assembled, built, tested, certified, etc. those vehicles. They have a legal and political stranglehold on the cars coming out of the car companies factories. Not a single dime of what the dealership makes flings into more HP, a sweeter sport foe the peak of the torque curve, better brakes, better mpg, better transmission, etc. I’ll be happy to pay the factory exactly what they charge the dealer for a car I order. I’ll be happy to pay the factory a non - discount price due to demand, shortage, increased costs on their part, etc. So then go buy a Tesla and stop bitching. If Ford wants to sell through dealers that's their prerogative. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 9:47:36 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So then go buy a Tesla and stop bitching. If Ford wants to sell through dealers that's their prerogative. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: No one’s owes you a truck at any price. You aren’t entitled to any consumer product. There is no such thing as price gouging. Y’all need to grow up and stop being socialists. I’m not being a communist. Not a single fucktard at the dealership designed, improved, assembled, built, tested, certified, etc. those vehicles. They have a legal and political stranglehold on the cars coming out of the car companies factories. Not a single dime of what the dealership makes flings into more HP, a sweeter sport foe the peak of the torque curve, better brakes, better mpg, better transmission, etc. I’ll be happy to pay the factory exactly what they charge the dealer for a car I order. I’ll be happy to pay the factory a non - discount price due to demand, shortage, increased costs on their part, etc. So then go buy a Tesla and stop bitching. If Ford wants to sell through dealers that's their prerogative. But Ford is forced to sell to dealers, and then on to you. What I'd want is just the option to order my own. Yes, I'd have to wait, but I'm ok with that. I bet a majority of consumers would still purchase from a dealer to have that immediate gratification. But if I'm placing a specific order for a future car anyway, why do I have to pay dealer markup and deal with their BS? |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 9:57:13 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dealers are just the middleman…..we need to move away from the antiquated setup of needing to go through one and have direct order and deliver from manufacturers. They can have service centers instead. You basically described a dealership..... Plus you will need places to test drive, look at and figure out what you want to buy and to finance you, and take your trade in......  Dealers aren't going anywhere.....  Trust me, Dealers are wanting the prices to drop. Most dealers are not selling the volume they usually do and making less money over all in this Inflated market. Plus new vehicle dealers, for the most part, aren't getting the manufacturer incentives they usually do. (As in selling x amount of Taco's in Q1 and get a extra $750 per Taco from the manufacturer as a bonus). Consumers are driving the price, not the Dealers. There is more demand for vehicles than ones available right now. Most dealers have units sold before they hit the lot. That is not the dealers fault. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 10:01:22 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Granted, up until recently I've only bought used, but I don't think I've ever test driven a vehicle. I bought a few at auction down south, drove down and got them. My current truck I called the dealership because they had the size and trim level I wanted and told them I would pick it up in two days. My test drive was the 3 hour drive home. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I do have to ask, honest question: how does this work? How do you test drive a vehicle if there is not one or several to drive at a dealer? Just make them factory show rooms. With all the models… makes sense, and what I was considering after I hit submit on that post. A much smaller footprint, with just several examples of the vehicles but no acres of inventory. …Because test drives are mandatory, even now. I’ve had vehicles I wanted that were instantly disqualified when I sat in them and drove them. Even features … I test drove a newer Cherokee (than my ‘17) and it had lane keep assist… F that crap. I drive straight lines but often dodge potholes so I move BOOP about the BOOPBOOP lane on BOOPBOOPBOOOPBOOOP occasion. Granted, up until recently I've only bought used, but I don't think I've ever test driven a vehicle. I bought a few at auction down south, drove down and got them. My current truck I called the dealership because they had the size and trim level I wanted and told them I would pick it up in two days. My test drive was the 3 hour drive home. Yow, glad it worked out for you... that's a lot of faith that you'll fit in the vehicle well and like it for however long you plan on keeping it. Like I said before, I've test driven vehicles that - from a design standpoint - I really wanted and liked the look of, but then once I sat in it, it was and instant "nope". No legroom/narrow footwell, too low to the ground, you name it. |
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Posted: 1/22/2022 10:14:36 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yow, glad it worked out for you... that's a lot of faith that you'll fit in the vehicle well and like it for however long you plan on keeping it. Like I said before, I've test driven vehicles that - from a design standpoint - I really wanted and liked the look of, but then once I sat in it, it was and instant "nope". No legroom/narrow footwell, too low to the ground, you name it. I have that exact same fear. Every time I've bought a new vehicle I've always started with a sizable list of potentials, many of which look perfect on paper... but the second I sat in them or test drove them they became instantly disqualified, usually due to quirks or issues you can't notice unless you are physically sitting in and driving the vehicle. I've been haunting Carmax and Carvana searching for the same four or five models every other week, and I've seen what appear to be a few tolerable deals come and go... but I just can't bring myself to "buy" a car sight unseen without a test drive. And of course all the used stuff I was looking at are all two states away. Our local Carmax / Carvana lots look like Crazy Dave's Discount Clapout Emporium. |
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