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Huh, some interesting finds.
Paratrooper units, active protection systems, submarine launched ballistic missiles. |
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Quoted: I don't recall this item back in the Cold War era Attached File https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/5AA8FE2A-071B-4724-B95F-CBB5DA565C9F_jpe-1944772.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/882D802D-89D0-4818-AF75-6513FF0CB438_jpe-1944773.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/41F76426-3E41-4195-B9EB-F0E68725D601_jpe-1944777.JPG View Quote |
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Quoted: Yep. SVD was doing work, while the US was dicking around trying to find a decent M14 scope mount. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: SDM concept is another one that springs to mind. SVD was doing work, while the US was dicking around trying to find a decent M14 scope mount. AR concept has seemed to come full circle too in some aspects. RPD (M-16 with bipod/ SAW) has been replaced by RPK (M27) albeit decades later. I do suspect that has more to do with evolution of optics capabilities more than anything else. |
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Quoted: https://www.heinzhistorycenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/1.-HHC-Tommy-gun-2011.127.63-17.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I don't recall this item back in the Cold War era https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/5000CB05-78E7-43CF-B675-EA0638E700D7_jpe-1944771.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/5AA8FE2A-071B-4724-B95F-CBB5DA565C9F_jpe-1944772.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/882D802D-89D0-4818-AF75-6513FF0CB438_jpe-1944773.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/41F76426-3E41-4195-B9EB-F0E68725D601_jpe-1944777.JPG https://www.heinzhistorycenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/1.-HHC-Tommy-gun-2011.127.63-17.jpg Attached File |
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Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/103813/5FD51D8B-A271-426B-A508-BD54636950EC_jpe-1945426.JPG View Quote Wow 400-2000m sights? Nowhere near realistic. |
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Quoted: Huh, some interesting finds. Paratrooper units, active protection systems, submarine launched ballistic missiles. View Quote Airborne forces were first proposed as a concept by Ben Franklin, shortly after the invention of the balloon. The first serious proposal and planning for their use in wartime was made by US and UK Officers during WWI. They planned on dropping US forces behind German trenches to force them to negotiate, but didn't actually do it. The first actual organization to create dedicated airborne forces and test them in training was the Italian Army. The Soviets just went into the concept hard early on and developed doctrine to modernize it for WWII. |
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I could have sworn I read that the Russians were working on GPS right before the collapses in 1991 and we stole/ borrowed the research and rolled it out first. It's late so I could be confused about something else.
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Quoted: The optical IRST system used in Mig-29's and Sukhois is just now being adopted by the west. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/German_MIG-29_Nose.jpg The west is also moving towards an area denial strategy the soviet used for land based air defense. We can no long guarantee numerical or tactical air superiority in theaters like the SCS. View Quote The IRST kinda sucked for years. It worked but it was limited in applications. The AA11 was one of the first off boresight A2A missiles. It had a smallish warhead but worked well before we had our 9X. |
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The Marines considered buying a case of extra small condoms for the commissary but decided it would last for decades in the warhorse.
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they should adopt that thermobaric rpg round along with with the rpg
Maybe that PKM. or the chopped and channeled RPD. Attached File |
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View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Those are called lattice fins, and are also used on Flacon 9. Yes, they are a Soviet invention, but not specifically for "supersonic" (although they work well in that regime as well). Quoted: GPS predates GLONASS by quite a bit. By 3 years, not a lot. But neither GPS nor GLONASS are copies of each other, since other systems existed before them in both countries. Both had satellite navigation constellations through the 1960s. At least the concept of satellite navigation wasn't invented by neither GPS nor GLONASS. Quoted: The T-62 had a smoothbore cannon before we adopted such a design. It also had the world's first operational APFSDS round, which is why it had a smoothbore cannon. |
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Quoted: That was more of a tie, the USSR and USA both adopted German scientists in early 45. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Quoted: Fedorov Avtomat 1915 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Avtomat_M1916_Fedorov_noBG.jpg/1200px-Avtomat_M1916_Fedorov_noBG.jpg View Quote A total of 262,000 Chauchats were manufactured between December 1915 and November 1918. Its design dates back to 1907. Only 3200 Fedorovs were made and its origonal design dates to 1913. Honestly tho i think we're getting into the weeds. Both are really old and showed up very close to eachother time wise. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I don't recall this item back in the Cold War era https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/5000CB05-78E7-43CF-B675-EA0638E700D7_jpe-1944771.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/5AA8FE2A-071B-4724-B95F-CBB5DA565C9F_jpe-1944772.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/882D802D-89D0-4818-AF75-6513FF0CB438_jpe-1944773.JPG Laughs in Thompson. |
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Quoted: Yes, I think the MiG-29 was the first fighter to have that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Didn't they invent the helmet-mounted missile targeting system for fighters? F-4J Phantom was the first fixed wing with one it was called VTAS. |
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Quoted: By 3 years, not a lot. But neither GPS nor GLONASS are copies of each other, since other systems existed before them in both countries. Both had satellite navigation constellations through the 1960s. At least the concept of satellite navigation wasn't invented by neither GPS nor GLONASS. View Quote If you want to count Transit/Parus, we launched the first Transit in the late 50s, Soviets launched the first Parus in the early 70s. |
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Back in the 80’s army, we were issued a chemical decon kit that we were told was directly copied from a soviet kit. I can’t remember the nomenclature, but it included popsicle sticks that you were supposed to use to scrape the nerve gas off your skin. Also some charcoal pad iirc.
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Quoted: Airborne forces were first proposed as a concept by Ben Franklin, shortly after the invention of the balloon. The first serious proposal and planning for their use in wartime was made by US and UK Officers during WWI. They planned on dropping US forces behind German trenches to force them to negotiate, but didn't actually do it. The first actual organization to create dedicated airborne forces and test them in training was the Italian Army. The Soviets just went into the concept hard early on and developed doctrine to modernize it for WWII. View Quote |
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Quoted: Stoner speaking to Kalashnikov told him they switched to 30 rounders because the soviets had them. Kalashnikov told Stoner they switched to 5.45 because of the 5.56. Wasn’t happy about it either View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Stole from Germans. Stoner speaking to Kalashnikov told him they switched to 30 rounders because the soviets had them. Kalashnikov told Stoner they switched to 5.45 because of the 5.56. Wasn’t happy about it either Germans had them first. |
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Quoted: As someone posted earlier they had the first orbital satellite. The US didn't have much interest in putting anything into orbit until Sputnik. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Some radar and space program stuff Haha nooooo. As someone posted earlier they had the first orbital satellite. The US didn't have much interest in putting anything into orbit until Sputnik. The U.S. Earth satellite program began in 1954 as a joint U.S. Army and U.S. Navy proposal, called Project Orbiter, to put a scientific satellite into orbit during the International Geophysical Year (IGY). |
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Quoted: I may not be remembering correctly, but Have Blue stealth was based off of a Soviet mathematicians works View Quote Yes it was, though the actual work was on calculating the radar signature of an object (airplane), rather than how to manipulate that shape to achieve a desired radar signature. The Soviets had not used the work for any stealth development of their own. |
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Quoted: The U.S. Earth satellite program began in 1954 as a joint U.S. Army and U.S. Navy proposal, called Project Orbiter, to put a scientific satellite into orbit during the International Geophysical Year (IGY). View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Some radar and space program stuff Haha nooooo. As someone posted earlier they had the first orbital satellite. The US didn't have much interest in putting anything into orbit until Sputnik. The U.S. Earth satellite program began in 1954 as a joint U.S. Army and U.S. Navy proposal, called Project Orbiter, to put a scientific satellite into orbit during the International Geophysical Year (IGY). And they got beat into orbit by a country that couldn't even build a decent refrigerator so I don't think there was much national interest or the US would have been first. I am not entirely sure how to interpret the terms 'adopt' and 'invented' but the Soviets did it first before the US had the capability so I think it counts or at the very least should be a notable mention. |
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Quoted: Yes. We literally copied some of their mobile bridging equipment during the Cold War. In more modern terms, we had RPG-7s produced in US under contract for FMA. View Quote But the RPG-7 wasn't an "invention" so much as a development - after all, it was the 7th model of a handheld anti-tank rocket launcher, with the RPG-2 being the first model actually fielded by the Soviets. The Bazooka was the first, though the Soviet RPG series was a definite refinement, being much quicker and easier to load. |
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The MiG-25 layout -> F-15
AK-47-> M-249 SAW bolt carrier assembly Gridfin missile fins The YAK-141 and engine ->F-35B and engine design The BMP series infantry fighting concept predates the Bradley. The USMC has went back to magazine fed automatic rifle (M27) in the fire team whereas as the Russians never did. |
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The current M9 bayonet - I believe - is a copy of the Russian AK bayonet with specific features going back to 1951. The Russians had the basic design with the AKM bayonet with the wire cutting blade/scabbard combination and sawback on their AK bayonets 60 years ago.
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Quoted: Back in the 80’s army, we were issued a chemical decon kit that we were told was directly copied from a soviet kit. I can’t remember the nomenclature, but it included popsicle sticks that you were supposed to use to scrape the nerve gas off your skin. Also some charcoal pad iirc. View Quote True. The U.S. Army dismantled the Chemical Corps branch after the signing of some treaties in the mid-1960s. When the Israelis found so much, and such a variety of Warsaw Pact NBC gear among the captured/destroyed troops and units of the Egyptian Army, during the 6 Day War, they shared it with the U.S.. The finding were a shock. U.S. officials were convinced that the Warsaw Pact was seriously prepared for war in an NBC environment. The U.S. Army immediately made improved copies of the Warsaw Pact detection and mitigation gear. It also re-activated the Chemical Corps branch, which would be a challenge, because the last officer was commissioned in that branch in 1965. In late 1973/early 1974, there was an entire class of second lieutenants enrolled in the Ordnance Branch Officer Basic Course. They came to the classroom one Wednesday and their instructors told them there would be no classes the resto of the week. The entire class was being re-branched to the Chemical Corps. They were to go to the Clothing Sales store, which had just received a batch of Chemical Corps branch insignia, buy the insignia and have it on their collars when they reported on Monday for the first day of the new Chemical Corps Officer Basic Course. |
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Quoted: But the RPG-7 wasn't an "invention" so much as a development - after all, it was the 7th model of a handheld anti-tank rocket launcher, with the RPG-2 being the first model actually fielded by the Soviets. The Bazooka was the first, though the Soviet RPG series was a definite refinement, being much quicker and easier to load. View Quote Even though everyone calls the RPG-7 a rocket propelled grenade, the projectile isn't even rocket propelled. And the RPG-2 was a soviet copy of a German weapon. |
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Quoted: Even though everyone calls the RPG-7 a rocket propelled grenade, the projectile isn't even rocket propelled. And the RPG-2 was a soviet copy of a German weapon. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Even though everyone calls the RPG-7 a rocket propelled grenade, the projectile isn't even rocket propelled. And the RPG-2 was a soviet copy of a German weapon. RPG isn't in English. In Russian it is an acronym which means hand-held anti-tank grenade-thrower. Quoted: If you want to count Transit/Parus, we launched the first Transit in the late 50s, Soviets launched the first Parus in the early 70s. They had a system prior to Parus; Tsiklon from 1967. But the point is that neither GPS nor GLONASS were the first, anyway. |
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Quoted: The current M9 bayonet - I believe - is a copy of the Russian AK bayonet with specific features going back to 1951. The Russians had the basic design with the AKM bayonet with the wire cutting blade/scabbard combination and sawback on their AK bayonets 60 years ago. View Quote The features of the M9 (stainless steel blade, wire cutting scabbard, and sawback) were all copied from the AKM bayonet (1959) but not the design itself. Eickhorn (Germany) makes a much better bayonet, which also copies the features of the AKM bayonet (including insulating the user's hand for cutting electrified wire, which the M9 doesn't do), and they did it earlier (1969?) than Phrobis (which is the private US firm who developed the M9 bayonet) in the early to mid-1980s. The USMC actually adopted Eickhorn's Bayonet 2000 (like Canada did) after concluding that infantrymen do not need a wire cutting scabbard (which strengthens the blade by omitting the peg hole for it) and therefore having Eickhorn remove that feature, but ended up adopting/fielding the OKC 3S bayonet because of the huge fit the US knife industry pitched about "adopting a foreign design" and "muh contract monies". I think the 2 above reasons are why the US doesn't get the best stuff (when we end up not getting it). If we invent it here then we're good. (Because then a domestic firm gets the big contract money, and it's all about the money.) Edit: Eickhorn and the Dutch firm NWM jointly developed their KCB-70 bayonet for use with the Stoner 63 weapons system (and later Eickhorn adapted/offered it for pretty much everything). http://worldbayonets.com/Library/Articles/eickhorn_kcb_70_article.pdf |
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Quoted: I recall our rank structure had French influence. The French had a bit of influence on our military back to revolutionary era. I guess my WW1 knowledge is lacking View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: The French had VFGs in WW1, and we had them soon after http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/US_Chauchat.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Campbell_Thompson.jpg I recall our rank structure had French influence. The French had a bit of influence on our military back to revolutionary era. I guess my WW1 knowledge is lacking There are other WW1 guns (and probably even some from earlier) with VFGs, I just can't think of them at the moment. |
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Quoted: Armor related ones I can think of offhand. They may not have been the pioneers but certainly ones that put them into general use. 1. Reactive armor such as Kontact 1 and 5. We adapted eventually with Blazer, TUSK 1/2. 2. Passive defense systems such as bar armor, laser sensors, and applique. We adapted eventually with TUSK 1/2 and for the sensor thing with the Boomerang (not a laser sensor though). 3. Active protection systems such as Drodz and Arena. We are finally getting this online with the Trophy system. 4. Passive defense systems such as bar armor and Shtora. We have used the bar armor concept since Mid AFG time frame for bar armor and possibly the Desert Storm era for the Shtora via the USMC MCD. Not a huge success evidently. 5. Auto loaders. We later eventually used them on MGS. View Quote |
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Quoted: And they got beat into orbit by a country that couldn't even build a decent refrigerator so I don't think there was much national interest or the US would have been first. I am not entirely sure how to interpret the terms 'adopt' and 'invented' but the Soviets did it first before the US had the capability so I think it counts or at the very least should be a notable mention. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Some radar and space program stuff Haha nooooo. As someone posted earlier they had the first orbital satellite. The US didn't have much interest in putting anything into orbit until Sputnik. The U.S. Earth satellite program began in 1954 as a joint U.S. Army and U.S. Navy proposal, called Project Orbiter, to put a scientific satellite into orbit during the International Geophysical Year (IGY). And they got beat into orbit by a country that couldn't even build a decent refrigerator so I don't think there was much national interest or the US would have been first. I am not entirely sure how to interpret the terms 'adopt' and 'invented' but the Soviets did it first before the US had the capability so I think it counts or at the very least should be a notable mention. Attached File On 29 July 1955, U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower announced through his press secretary that, during the International Geophysical Year (IGY), the United States would launch an artificial satellite. Four days later, Leonid Sedov, a leading Soviet physicist, announced that they too would launch an artificial satellite. On 8 August, the Politburo of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union approved the proposal to create an artificial satellite. |
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