It’s still wrong on its face. Unless crossing the shortest path to state land, they have no business being on private property without written authorization from the owner.

The worst petty tyrants have always been wardens, everywhere I’ve been, everyone I’ve met, everyone that’s mentioned them, the story is consistent. The TV shows about their asshattery are very tame compared to the horror stories, and even the ones I’ve met. Think Rod Farva, only with near unlimited authority, and no one there to check his goddamn ego.

Even the local deputies hate dealing with them, and those guys are real easy to get along with.

The open fields thing gets interesting when you have an island with a wall around it.  Is that publicly accessible?  Would one have a reasonable expectation of privacy on a private island?  I had FWC come by the other day, and they seemed confused when I told them to go away.

I think that wardens should have to get warrants to come on private property like any LE.

But for you people complaining about the "king's game", I have a question.


I have 50 acres I'm moving to in CO.
I've seen herds of 30 - 40 elk grazing on my land.

Are you saying under your system I can just shoot them all because while they're on my property, they're my elk?

Please explain how we'd have elk next year under your wildlife management program.

That’s sad. Very sad. I feel for them, I really do.

I was given a ticket for not having a life vest in a kayak, not a large river just a lazy float kind of place. You don't have to have a PFD on just in the kayak somewhere. How that helps if you fall out I don't know.

Anyways the whole time this guys is writing me the ticket probably 30 or so people float by on tubes drinking beer. Do they need life vests? Did all of them get tickets? Nope.

Stupid laws and stupid enforcement, thankfully I was able to donate $150 via the ticket to the state for that one. Maybe it can go to something useful for the fish cops like another new jet boat for chasing all of the dangerous people in kayaks.

In Texas, the game wardens can enter your house, without a warrant, to search your refrigerators, freezers and other storage areas in search of illegal game.

The answer to this problem is indeed a private island and a wall.

Since SCOTUS says the 4A applies to curtilage, you simply expand your curtilage.

I always find it funny just how many people in thousands of cop threads over the years STILL get it all wrong.

In a more perfect world.

Commercial poachers should all be hanged.

Subsistence poachers with kids to feed is another story...case by case.

imo

However we do not live in a more perfect world.

I'm guessing that because that is a treaty (has an "international" facet invovled) it allows fish po-po to skirt the 4th? From what i know (little), treaties can be constitionally binding?  

That is the warning pro 2A orgs were talking about in regard to that international small arms treaty that our domestic commies are always desiring for the US to ratify.

Especially since the deer reproduce the same number of deer killed each year.

My problem is they go without any suspicion, they just assume you are guilty as fuck and come in.

My dad and I are eating dinner one night on private property in his travel trailer. We're kind of down in a bottom next to a river, you can't really see us unless you flew a helicopter over. Dad says he here's someone out there running around in the field with a 4 wheeler. So he jumps on our gator to drive up and see what's going on. He runs into the game warden in the middle of the pasture at night, 400 yards from the gate to get in the property.

Doesn't call or notify anyone, no suspicion of anything except he's looking for hunting camps, driving out in the fields at 8 o'clock at night.

Yeah, fuck that shit. Open fields doctrine is wrong.

My only interaction was as a teen and i was fishing without a licence. Bootleg beer bought by us then minors was the real motivation for that fish outing on the lake.  

That warden was a sneaky fucker. Only one boat on the lake that night. It passed around the bend, way out of sight, like a quarter mile. My brother and i were pretty shitfaced and fishing was interfering with beer drinking, so we'd already left the rods up in the woods. Our buddy Randy was still hard at, wading with his rod in the water.

Thirty minutes after we saw that boat pass an authoritative voice sounds from woods behind us: "You boys have fishing licences?" Lil Bro and i were kind of spooked by the fire, but Randy froze like a statue. "Ploop" went his rod in the water. The rod had been pointed out at the lake and Randy hoped the warden had not seen it. Nope. "Son, please fish up that rod out of the water or I'll tack on a littering  citation, too."

Luckily, he never saw our rods and did not appear to give two shits that three obviously underage teens were drinking beer. Guess he was tired after his long 1/4 mile sneak-stalk through dark woods to bust us. That dude was dedicated, i give him that.

From my fuzzy memory or case law....

4th amend somehow only protects the curtilege of your property...your yard. If you own land, even if you have posted no trespassing, somehow it's okay for law enforcement to ignore this and walk your property. That case had something to do with someone growing the mary jane on his land.


As far as questioning someone, there is a difference between a stop based on authority and a casual conversation (custodial vs non custodial). If the wardens are coming to your front door and asking you if they can speak with you then it is probably because they ain't got sh*t and want you to make some admissions. If they are going to detain you and ask questions then then you get your miranda warnings.

Food for thought. And if the fed bois ever show up you should really keep your mouth shut and record yourself telling them to get off your property, you got nothing to say to them. I could be a witness to a bank robbery and I would not speak with them to even give a witness statement. They are liable to see you voted for trump and arrest you for saying it was around 2:05 pm when it was actually 2:01pm.

Kinda like how you got it wrong in the Amir Locke thread?

Where, exactly, do you people come up with this crap? Let me guess, your uncle's cousin's wife's neighbor knew a reserve deputy who seent it?

I ain't got any use for them. They won't do shit to stop immigrants from going out and shooting anything they see during hunting season but will climb over a mountain of pussy just to fuck my hunt up

Loaded question.

Both things can be true:

You can make what you're implying illegal.

You can also demand Law Enforcement respect the 4th Amendment and obtain a warrant to search the property.


It's not either or.

That is hilarious, but my favorite is the one with "Nice Underwear" on it.

I believe most states have boating safety laws that allow them to conduct "safety equipment" checks....i.e. life preservers and fire extinguishers.  Oh, hey!  You smell like you've been drinking!

Lots of PC/RS/WTF up and down the coast between now and Labor Day.
I invite anyone interested to NOT pull your vessel over when FWC throws on the lights. If you're in the right place you might get to meet some Coasties too.

Yep, WI really sucks in this respect.  It doesn't help that every Warden I ever met was a class A prick.

I had a warden tell me once "if I knew you had ducks in your freezer, I could walk right into your house to look in your freezer and make sure you don't have over the limit and the courts would uphold it".

Once I got pulled over after passing a game warden going 90 in a 50 zone. I was dumbfounded to get off with a warning. He made it clear he had full authority to ticket me for speeding however.

Tag in truck, not on you...fined for not having tag.
Cocaine in truck, not on you...

That requires paying a lawyer more than the fine. It is similar to the traffic court scam.

To be fair, they probably don't have to hear that very often.

It was decades ago while I was a Reserve Deputy Sheriff in Michigan, but the DNR / game wardens had all the LE powers of a State Police officer plus more due to wildlife conservation laws.

Ain't that the truth.

I'm a normal, middle class, law abiding, working American guy.  I don't do drugs, I vote, I show up for Jury Duty.

I was literally forced off the road in my pickup by two Game Wardens in central WI back around 2002 or so.  They were driving an unmarked LE fleet style Dodge Charger with red and blues in the grill.  I had my brother and a friend of ours in the truck and a fresh killed deer we had just finished tagging, laying on the tailgate.  I was pulling out of a dirt driveway onto a county road and turning right.  They were coming from the direction I was headed.  I was just finishing my turn onto the roadway when they came across the centerline at me.  I went to the right into the ditch to avoid a collision.  They followed the move and went nose to nose with me right there in the ditch, then jumped out in Woodland BDU pants, pistol belt, t shirts and jackets.  They never asked me for my license, they just went right to the back of my truck to look at the properly tagged deer laying on the tailgate.  They looked at the name on the tag and said "which one of you is this?"  I responded, "that depends, who exactly are you and do you have some ID?"

"Wisconsin DNR" the older guy said and did the badge flip thing.  The big strapping young kid with the shaved head said nothing the entire time.  I got the feeling that maybe he was an MP on loan from Fort McCoy which is very near this location.  

Then they demanded we remove our rifles out of the truck and uncase them to see if they were loaded or not.  

I got out my 110FP tactical complete with 10x40 on heavy duty rings and a Harris bipod.  No shit, the fucking warden says "what are you shooting at with that?  Do you need a rifle like that for deer hunting?"  I just told him "I'm not shooting at a deer, I'm shooting at a 1" circle on the deer".  

They didn't find anything wrong and so after looking in the magwell of each rifle, they just walked back to their car, backed out into the road, and took off without even a "thank you" or a "have a nice day", or a "sorry to have bothered you", not even an acknowledgement of any kind.  

So yeah............"BATFE's retarded step brother" lololol.  

Since it's the King's deer, I wish the king would reimburse me for damage to a car when one jumped (literrally in the path of my oncoming vehicle).

That is some chickenshit baloney right there but I'm not surprised.

I forgot another good story - I was 13 and my friend was 15.  We had just walked back in from one of our strolls down the nearby county road with our BB guns where we generally would plink at signs, cans, and an occasional crow or blackbird.

So we are standing there in the driveway, and a government Ford Fairmont pulls up and stops.  Uniformed fish cop gets out and starts yelling immediately.  "What kind of rifles are those????"  "They are BB guns".  

"That's illegal for you to be out here shooting!!!!  It's the day before deer hunting!!!!!  You can't shoot ANYTHING the day before deer hunting!!!!  If those were real rifles I would be confiscating them!!!!  Get your asses in your house with those and don't let me catch you outside with them today again!!!!!!!"

You're upset about them not being able to violate people's constitutional rights?

Natural resource officers pretty much have the highest authority in states. County, state, and federal enforcement they have

By far my favorite nickname.

Jesus, this is too easy.  I agree with you, but your case is weaksauce.  

"Officer, was the corn in plain view on the ground where the defendent was hunting?"
"Yes your honor".

"Guilty of the charge of hunting over bait".

It doesn't matter who put it there, what matters is A) Where you hunting, and B) Was the bait there.

Oh really?

TX Code Title 2 Section 12.102(d) disagrees

(d)  Nothing in this section authorizes a game warden or other peace officer commissioned by the department to conduct a search otherwise authorized by this section:

(1)  in a person's residence or temporary residence;  or

(2)  on a publicly maintained road or way that is:

(A)  improved, designed, or ordinarily used for vehicular traffic;

(B)  open to the public;  and

(C)  distinguishable from a shoulder, berm, or other area not intended for vehicular traffic.

And I find it not funny, how, in a thread full of stories about law abiding fellow gun owners getting corruptly shafted by cops, you can't find a shred of sympathy for any of them and instead just show up to belittle them.

Well, if 92% of them weren't absolute, unadulterated bullshit, it might be easier.

that.

I was once stopped while hunting so the officer could check my magazine capacity, and I had to show him the actual hunting regulations and explain them to him before he finally gave up.

They should be the ones required to have a fishing license.

Read it for yourself . . . Texas Statutes/Parks & Wildlife Code/Title 2/Chapter 12/Section 12.1106.

Buddy of mine sent the repair bill to DNR when he hit a deer...went as far as he thought it did.

You should double-check Section 12.102

CAN YOU TELL THEM TO GET THE FUCK OFF OF YOUR PROPERTY ???

Most of our hunting laws and regulations were designed to make a subsistence lifestyle completely untenable as part of the great urbanization and conservation push. It was all done with the intention of driving rural people off their lands. Ironically the indian exemption shows they knew exactly what they were doing and knew they were outright banning a subsistence rural life.

The area around my camp is a historical record of those two great pushes. A bunch of hill country that has just the remnants of what it used to be before all the land went either to the state or to large lumber companies. They used a multi prong approach to drive people out of the places they didn't want them and to the places they did want them. High taxes and tax breaks for the companies and larger farms combined with using "conservation" laws to literally drive people off their lands and have lumber companies be able to buy them cheap. It turned into camps when the government turned on the lumber companies in the late 70s early 80s.

This type of thing is why we'll never be able to stop the great reset. It would take people leaning things like exactly how they did things in the past and that if they could drive people from their lands that had no running water, no electricity, no central heat and before conservation laws could live off the land they can much more easily do it today.

Remember they didn't ban suppressors because they were worried about movie type assassins, they banned them because they were afraid people would be able to shoot animals without the king's men knowing. They were afraid suppressors would slightly slow down their great agendas that just also happened to help make them and their friends richer and everyone else got fucked.

Perhaps your state has its own laws that suspend your rights but I doubt it.  

I read your link and nowhere did I see that it was referencing seizing property that they suspect is contraband that is inside ones home.

Baiting?  Must be one of those stupid states.  My buddy in IL and has to plant actual plants in order to bait the deer.  I guess he can't use a feeder.  

I wonder if they'd still cite you if you put a big sign under the feeder that says "No Deer Allowed?

Who said that he old guy had a license?

  He wasn’t hunting.  

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