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Link Posted: 9/17/2019 4:12:33 PM EST
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Anyone who thinks Snowden did the wrong thing is a partner to tyranny and deserves to hang next to those who perpetrated it.
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Link Posted: 9/17/2019 4:15:49 PM EST
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Yeah, Fuck US citizens. Spy on everything.
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And we're off!!!!
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 4:17:10 PM EST
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Looks like someone let too many cats out of the bag.
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 4:17:51 PM EST
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I hope they bankrupt the smarmy traitor.
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I doubt if he has any money other than what he earns in Russia as a speaker.

Hey, IRS will nail him for unpaid taxes.
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 4:18:29 PM EST
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Feel free to try bud.
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Anyone who thinks Snowden did the wrong thing is a partner to tyranny and deserves to hang next to those who perpetrated it.
Feel free to try bud.
Says the guy in a communist state.
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 4:19:15 PM EST
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There won't be any.

The case is open and shut contract law. He signed a document stating he knew he was obligated by law to submit publications for review prior to publication. He chose to break that law on purpose and in public. There's nothing to discover.
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Discovery will be a stone cold bitch here.
There won't be any.

The case is open and shut contract law. He signed a document stating he knew he was obligated by law to submit publications for review prior to publication. He chose to break that law on purpose and in public. There's nothing to discover.
The trial the feds want isn't about a book.
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 4:20:05 PM EST
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And we're off!!!!
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And we're off!!!!
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Link Posted: 9/17/2019 4:20:58 PM EST
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He made a coward's choice and chose treason.
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His choices were:

A) Stay and  get sent to Club Fed: PMITA Acres, and/or possibly get disappeared
Or B) Run to wherever would hide him.

Which would you choose, assuming you have no family?
He made a coward's choice and chose treason.
NSA did that.
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 4:21:05 PM EST
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He broke the law, betrayed his country, and now cowers in hiding in Russia. Anyone who thinks he did right is aiding a traitor. There ya go.
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He broke the law, betrayed his country, and now cowers in hiding in Russia. Anyone who thinks he did right is aiding a traitor. There ya go.
He betrayed the government to serve his country. Unless you can convince people that our government = our country...There ya go.
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 4:25:27 PM EST
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NSA did that.
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Boom.
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 4:40:20 PM EST
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One of the reasons I'm not surprised he fled.  Even if he turns out to be some squeaky clean whistleblower(which is highly doubtful), he has no chance at a fair trial if he ever comes back.

You also know the politicians and bureaucrats that put this plan in place were going to make sure he disappeared if he stuck around.

So much bullshit all around.
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I'd love to see an open and honest trial for this guy.  It will never happen, but it would be nice to actually see the real evidence.
Never going to happen.


Law360 (April 26, 2019,  7:39 PM EDT) -- A California federal judge has dismissed a long-running proposed class action over the National Security Agency's alleged unlawful mass surveillance of millions of Americans, saying the challengers couldn't show any injury and that there was no way to move forward with the case without risking national security.
https://www.law360.com/articles/1153791/national-security-concerns-halt-nsa-dragnet-suit
One of the reasons I'm not surprised he fled.  Even if he turns out to be some squeaky clean whistleblower(which is highly doubtful), he has no chance at a fair trial if he ever comes back.

You also know the politicians and bureaucrats that put this plan in place were going to make sure he disappeared if he stuck around.

So much bullshit all around.
It's not "highly doubtful", it's not what happened.

And you might want to check with William Binney if you think whistleblowers disappear.
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 4:41:10 PM EST
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The trial the feds want isn't about a book.
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Discovery will be a stone cold bitch here.
There won't be any.

The case is open and shut contract law. He signed a document stating he knew he was obligated by law to submit publications for review prior to publication. He chose to break that law on purpose and in public. There's nothing to discover.
The trial the feds want isn't about a book.
That's a criminal trial, he's been indicted for espionage already.  That's not what this is about.
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 4:49:53 PM EST
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Snowden may not be a hero but he did confirm what many here were called crazy for believing.
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 4:55:30 PM EST
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, betrayed his country,
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He betrayed the government
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 4:56:20 PM EST
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It's not "highly doubtful", it's not what happened.

And you might want to check with William Binney if you think whistleblowers disappear.
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They don't always disappear. Depends on how highly placed they are. If you mean to suggest whistleblowers never disappear then I think your argument is specious but I can't prove that anymore than the NSA can credibly allege anything of anyone involved in this case. They destroyed the last shreds of credibility they once had.

It's unfortunate that such talent has to go to waste spying on ones own citizens.
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 5:00:23 PM EST
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Trump should pardon him and watch the swamp go crazy.

Then drop declassify and set fire to all the traitors
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 5:04:07 PM EST
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Heroes get medals, the maggot has a cell waiting for him.
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You think England was ready to hand medals to the founding fathers during the revolutionary war?
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 5:06:28 PM EST
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Sued for breaching the trust placed with him?

The irony about that

Link Posted: 9/17/2019 5:08:34 PM EST
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Actually they do! You owe the gubmint income tax on all income. Doesn't matter if it wasn't made here, and you've lived in East Bumfuckistan for twenty years, you still owe Uncle Sugar his cut.

Two countries do this... Us and Eritrea. We are comparable to a third world shithole in this and many other regards.
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Lol, he'll get his money. Do they think they can control overseas commerce too? I must have missed that one, the "international commerce clause" power hungry .Gov gonna power hungry .Gov
Actually they do! You owe the gubmint income tax on all income. Doesn't matter if it wasn't made here, and you've lived in East Bumfuckistan for twenty years, you still owe Uncle Sugar his cut.

Two countries do this... Us and Eritrea. We are comparable to a third world shithole in this and many other regards.
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Link Posted: 9/17/2019 5:09:16 PM EST
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I hope they bankrupt the smarmy traitor.
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The only traitors are the ones enabling the NSA to spy on the citizenry.
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 5:10:34 PM EST
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The only traitors are the ones enabling the NSA to do this.
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And the people defending the NSA.
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 5:16:35 PM EST
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Two wrongs don't make a right. Be honest, we all knew it was happening before he chose to be a traitor.
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Do you get as salty about the traitor on our $1 bills?
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 5:28:38 PM EST
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If he denounced his citizenship and defected to another country and longer a citizen employed by the us government would that contract be dissolved and not have to abide by the rules of said contract.

I get the IRS can get him for taxes up until he defected/ denounced citizenship

Yes he did have a contact with the us govt. However he didnt release anything till after he defected/denounced citizenship. From my understanding anyway.

So wouldnt he suit be a moot point? And just a show of power since they can't do anything about the book?

Bring on the flames.
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 5:35:31 PM EST
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Snowden may not be a hero but he did confirm what many here were called crazy for believing.
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Actually, no, he made up a bunch of stuff about "monitoring US citizen's email".   What he described was fiction.

There was another program that monitored foreign email, but he had no access to it, and knew very little about it.
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 5:38:10 PM EST
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Anyone who thinks Snowden did the wrong thing is a partner to tyranny and deserves to hang next to those who perpetrated it.
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Nailed it.
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 5:40:00 PM EST
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Yeah, Fuck US citizens. Spy on everything.
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Yeah, Fuck US citizens. Spy on everything.
Well OP is the only person in His state that turned his bumpstock in when his daddy banned them
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 5:40:21 PM EST
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Snowden did A LOT of damage to our guys in the field. Our side lost good men (our own and allies) because of how he did the data dump. He let it go with all the care and discretion of Stalin or Mao...

I am all for exposing the bad. DO NOT put innocents in the line of fire to do it.

Fuck Snowden.
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Well the guy who did it the right way got an FBI swat team pointing MP5s at him while he was taking his morning shower, so there’s that.
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 5:40:47 PM EST
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The agencies that lied to us for decades about violating our rights, even going so far as to lie under oath repeatedly say Snowden is a bad guy and a spy.

Alleged bad guy and spy claims innocence, releases shitloads of data on spying on US citizens illegally others release corraborating data on that as well as extrajudicial killings....

Who to believe...

Too bad we don't have any agencies we can believe in anymore since they have violated our sacred trust.
Honk Honk.
Triple Honk.  Fuck the fed.
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 5:41:54 PM EST
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Lack of self-awareness here, Uncle Sam.

Snowden is an American hero.
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Selling intelligence to foreign enemies is heroic now? Odd.
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 5:42:26 PM EST
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To the Chinese and Russian intelligence services, I'm sure he is.
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Snowden is a hero.
To the Chinese and Russian intelligence services, I'm sure he is.
You sir suck on the teat of propaganda.
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 5:45:19 PM EST
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Lol Federal Government
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 5:46:16 PM EST
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Selling intelligence to foreign enemies is heroic now? Odd.
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Allegedly.

Also, I don't think it was said that he "sold" intel to our enemies.
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 5:47:54 PM EST
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I'm not necessarily disagreeing but what options do you think he had? The abuse by our government that he revealed says a lot as well.

Let's face the fact that our government is illegally surveilling its population what he did is a drop in the bucket by comparison.
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Actually it's stupid, but if you think Uncle Sam is the good guy here than nothing else matters.
Kinda hard to root for the "good guy" who fled to Russia
I'm not necessarily disagreeing but what options do you think he had? The abuse by our government that he revealed says a lot as well.

Let's face the fact that our government is illegally surveilling its population what he did is a drop in the bucket by comparison.
The fact that Snowden is a fucking traitor and the information he revealed showed the government doing wrong things are not two mutually exclusive positions.

Why is this so hard for the dumbasses calling a man (being harbored by Russia in exchange for intelligence) a hero to understand?
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 5:49:09 PM EST
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He coulda have stayed and became chelsey snowden
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 5:49:30 PM EST
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The fact that Snowden is a fucking traitor and the information he revealed showed the government doing wrong things are not two mutually exclusive positions.

Why is this so hard for the dumbasses calling a man (being harbored by Russia in exchange for intelligence) a hero to understand?
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Because there are a lot of people who think the premise is BS. Nobody here wants America to be harmed. Quite the opposite.
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 5:50:11 PM EST
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We should do the extraordinary rendition thing to him and have him stand trial for treason. Followed by a firing squad or rope.
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 5:50:45 PM EST
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Snowden may not be a hero but he did confirm what many here were called crazy for believing.
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Called crazy by the guy who posted just above you. Who now comes in on the side of the government agency who lied to congress under oath.

Shocking.
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 5:51:41 PM EST
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The fact that Snowden is a fucking traitor and the information he revealed showed the government doing wrong things are not two mutually exclusive positions.

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Yet you are here NOT calling the US Gov / Intelligence Community / NSA a Traitor... but you do call Snowden a 'FUCKING TRAITOR'.....
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 6:03:30 PM EST
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They don't always disappear. Depends on how highly placed they are. If you mean to suggest whistleblowers never disappear then I think your argument is specious but I can't prove that anymore than the NSA can credibly allege anything of anyone involved in this case. They destroyed the last shreds of credibility they once had.

It's unfortunate that such talent has to go to waste spying on ones own citizens.
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It's not "highly doubtful", it's not what happened.

And you might want to check with William Binney if you think whistleblowers disappear.
They don't always disappear. Depends on how highly placed they are. If you mean to suggest whistleblowers never disappear then I think your argument is specious but I can't prove that anymore than the NSA can credibly allege anything of anyone involved in this case. They destroyed the last shreds of credibility they once had.

It's unfortunate that such talent has to go to waste spying on ones own citizens.
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 6:05:38 PM EST
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He made a coward's choice and chose treason.
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His choices were:

A) Stay and  get sent to Club Fed: PMITA Acres, and/or possibly get disappeared
Or B) Run to wherever would hide him.

Which would you choose, assuming you have no family?
He made a coward's choice and chose treason.
The .gov chose treason long before snowden exposed it.
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 6:10:44 PM EST
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The .gov chose treason long before snowden exposed it.
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His choices were:

A) Stay and  get sent to Club Fed: PMITA Acres, and/or possibly get disappeared
Or B) Run to wherever would hide him.

Which would you choose, assuming you have no family?
He made a coward's choice and chose treason.
The .gov chose treason long before snowden exposed it.
Boom
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 6:18:27 PM EST
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The .gov chose treason long before snowden exposed it.
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yeah not sure what peoples panties are in a bunch for.
Uncle sam has his finger up your asshole for so long and you get complacent.
Someone mentions it using an uncomfortable method. And now you are mostly upset about the guy letting you know someone was down there.

I think most Americans are a bunch of fudds or mentally boomers. GuBmin Is alWaYs riGhtT

I am sure the founding fathers who were also "traitors" would be proud. Snowbunny may not be a US patriot, but hes about as much of a patriot as the people saying he should be hung.

Its not like anything is really going to get done anyways.
An honest enemy is always better than a friend who lies
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 6:19:25 PM EST
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It's not "highly doubtful", it's not what happened.

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I'd love to see an open and honest trial for this guy.  It will never happen, but it would be nice to actually see the real evidence.
Never going to happen.


Law360 (April 26, 2019,  7:39 PM EDT) -- A California federal judge has dismissed a long-running proposed class action over the National Security Agency's alleged unlawful mass surveillance of millions of Americans, saying the challengers couldn't show any injury and that there was no way to move forward with the case without risking national security.
https://www.law360.com/articles/1153791/national-security-concerns-halt-nsa-dragnet-suit
One of the reasons I'm not surprised he fled.  Even if he turns out to be some squeaky clean whistleblower(which is highly doubtful), he has no chance at a fair trial if he ever comes back.

You also know the politicians and bureaucrats that put this plan in place were going to make sure he disappeared if he stuck around.

So much bullshit all around.
It's not "highly doubtful", it's not what happened.

And you might want to check with William Binney if you think whistleblowers disappear.
Feel free to enlighten me on what happened.  This story has more holes than swiss cheese.  I'm all ears.
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 6:21:55 PM EST
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Feel free to enlighten me on what happened.  This story has more holes than swiss cheese.  I'm all ears.
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I'd love to see an open and honest trial for this guy.  It will never happen, but it would be nice to actually see the real evidence.
Never going to happen.


Law360 (April 26, 2019,  7:39 PM EDT) -- A California federal judge has dismissed a long-running proposed class action over the National Security Agency's alleged unlawful mass surveillance of millions of Americans, saying the challengers couldn't show any injury and that there was no way to move forward with the case without risking national security.
https://www.law360.com/articles/1153791/national-security-concerns-halt-nsa-dragnet-suit
One of the reasons I'm not surprised he fled.  Even if he turns out to be some squeaky clean whistleblower(which is highly doubtful), he has no chance at a fair trial if he ever comes back.

You also know the politicians and bureaucrats that put this plan in place were going to make sure he disappeared if he stuck around.

So much bullshit all around.
It's not "highly doubtful", it's not what happened.

And you might want to check with William Binney if you think whistleblowers disappear.
Feel free to enlighten me on what happened.  This story has more holes than swiss cheese.  I'm all ears.
https://fas.org/irp/congress/2016_rpt/hpsci-snowden.pdf
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 6:25:11 PM EST
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Kinda hard to root for the “good guy” who fled to Russia
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Lesee? He just put his life on the line exposing shenanigans committed by the government he works for. Same corrupt folks have assets on speed dial that can have you disappeared. If self preservation were a concern I might just flee to a place where their grasp is light or nonexist.
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I think this guy is a worthless traitor, however the curious side of me wonders what was so bad that  he chose to throw away his life to expose it?

Either he is a traitorous piece of shit/retarded or he felt the government was doing a disservice to its citizens.

Question is did he hate his country and just chose to betray it due to hate, or did he really think it was worth sacrificing his life to expose what he did.
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I think this guy is a worthless traitor, however the curious side of me wonders what was so bad that  he chose to throw away his life to expose it?

Either he is a traitorous piece of shit/retarded or he felt the government was doing a disservice to its citizens.

Question is did he hate his country and just chose to betray it due to hate, or did he really think it was worth sacrificing his life to expose what he did.
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Read the report...

You've had the shitbag private work for you before, right?  The one that has a problem with everything?  The one that is always sea lawyering their way out of every bit of work?  That was Snowden.  He got butthurt, and he was on borrowed time with his clearance, so he was about to be out of work if he got caught.  That's basically the sum of it.
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Kinda hard to root for the “good guy” who fled to Russia
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Hard? Umm, no, it’s not.
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Read the report...

You've had the shitbag private work for you before, right?  The one that has a problem with everything?  The one that is always sea lawyering their way out of every bit of work?  That was Snowden.  He got butthurt, and he was on borrowed time with his clearance, so he was about to be out of work if he got caught.  That's basically the sum of it.
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Pretty much what I figured, I watched the movie and figured it was just poor Snowden propaganda.
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