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Posted: 5/16/2019 10:11:46 PM EDT
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Anyone got a non facebook link to the video from inside the warehouse? |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 10:12:01 PM EDT
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Seemed like it. How many people, trucks, and equipment normally get sent out for a mil plane crash? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cs0WoiXUAAAynMq.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Big response for a U-2? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cs0WoiXUAAAynMq.jpg |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 10:17:26 PM EDT
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Me too, I get a blank page due to trackers blocked. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone got a non facebook link to the video from inside the warehouse? 
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Posted: 5/16/2019 10:18:44 PM EDT
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I forgot to finish my story above... Of the eight of us working at the end of the runway that day, six froze from shock of watching the crash. They were like zombies and wouldn't respond to anything. My buddy Lou and I ran out to see if we could get the pilot out because he couldn't lift off the canopy - too heavy. We grabbed a 150lb Halon extinguisher and we ran dragging it with us. We figured we'd be able to hold off the fire until the fire department showed up. Unfortunately, it got stuck in the muddy field between the de-arm area and the crash site, so we left the extinguisher and kept running to the plane. We thought maybe we'd be able to help him lift the canopy off. As soon as we got to the plane, the pilot, Capt Dave W., LIFTED the canopy off and threw it to the right side of the plane, which was on fire (actually, just the wing). We grabbed him since he was at chest height and in a daze and drug him to a ditch to watch the plane until the fire dept., showed up a few minutes later. They sprayed foam on everything, including us. Base commander said we never actually rescued him so he said "thanks" and see you later, not that we wanted anything...I just didn't want to watch him burn to death. The 496th was much more grateful. To this day I still have a lithograph signed by all the squadron's pilots, including new call sign "CRASH". For the rest of my tour in Germany, I was always welcome at their bar to drink for free. I met up with Captain Dave W., a few months later while we were TDY at Zaragosa, Spain, and he hooked me up with a Viper ride. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 10:19:00 PM EDT
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only one way an F-16 crashes into a building and does not get engulfed in a fireball and that if there isnt any fuel in it.
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Posted: 5/16/2019 10:20:59 PM EDT
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only one way an F-16 crashes into a building and does not get engulfed in a fireball and that if there isnt any fuel in it. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 10:21:35 PM EDT
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only one way an F-16 crashes into a building and does not get engulfed in a fireball and that if there isnt any fuel in it. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 10:31:27 PM EDT
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only one way an F-16 crashes into a building and does not get engulfed in a fireball and that if there isnt any fuel in it. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 10:32:28 PM EDT
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I love the engineers at Martin-Baker. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 10:32:29 PM EDT
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Mmm, hydrazine in an enclosed building. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 10:35:42 PM EDT
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How does a plane not get fueled? I mean it seems like an important part of getting one ready to fly. Don't they have a fuel gauge of sorts and shouldn't the pilot have looked at it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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only one way an F-16 crashes into a building and does not get engulfed in a fireball and that if there isnt any fuel in it. 
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Posted: 5/16/2019 10:44:37 PM EDT
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It's not impossible that the pilot simply flew so long that he ran it out of gas. With Bitching Betty yelling "BINGO. FUEL. BINGO. FUEL" almost continuously the whole time, that does seem rather improbable, though.
I'd also be super surprised if it had any fuel still in it given the lack of fire. I'm sure that flying an F-16 out of gas and dropping it into a warehouse is a really bad career move. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 10:44:41 PM EDT
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How does a plane not get fueled? I mean it seems like an important part of getting one ready to fly. Don't they have a fuel gauge of sorts and shouldn't the pilot have looked at it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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only one way an F-16 crashes into a building and does not get engulfed in a fireball and that if there isnt any fuel in it. And damn it, I can't find a gif from Top Gun where Maveric taps the fuel gauge in his F-14. 
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Posted: 5/16/2019 10:45:14 PM EDT
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That is a damn good point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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only one way an F-16 crashes into a building and does not get engulfed in a fireball and that if there isnt any fuel in it. At the end of a flight the jets remaining fuel load will be in the fuselage integrals where leakage from crash damage is less likely in comparison to wings and externals. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 10:46:47 PM EDT
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I would think it would take more than a few people fucking up for thus to happen. But humans are humans so... |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 10:47:20 PM EDT
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Well... thank God I didn't have to go to Perris today.
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Posted: 5/16/2019 10:51:58 PM EDT
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I thought this happened on take off but it sounds like it was on landing. That explains my fuel confusion.
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Posted: 5/16/2019 10:52:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/16/2019 10:56:57 PM EDT
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I thought this happened on take off but it sounds like it was on landing. That explains my fuel confusion. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 10:58:35 PM EDT
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Says he punched out after reporting a hydraulic failure while attempting an emergency landing. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:00:41 PM EDT
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Says he punched out after reporting a hydraulic failure while attempting an emergency landing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I thought this happened on take off but it sounds like it was on landing. That explains my fuel confusion. No hydraulics or no hydraulics due to no engine powering the hydraulics?
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:01:46 PM EDT
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Missed that as well. No hydraulics or no hydraulics due to no engine powering the hydraulics? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I thought this happened on take off but it sounds like it was on landing. That explains my fuel confusion. No hydraulics or no hydraulics due to no engine powering the hydraulics? |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:03:08 PM EDT
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I don't know shit about the F16. Would the emergency power not still power hydraulics? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I thought this happened on take off but it sounds like it was on landing. That explains my fuel confusion. No hydraulics or no hydraulics due to no engine powering the hydraulics?
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:03:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:06:11 PM EDT
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I don't know shit about the F16. Would the emergency power not still power hydraulics? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I thought this happened on take off but it sounds like it was on landing. That explains my fuel confusion. No hydraulics or no hydraulics due to no engine powering the hydraulics? |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:06:50 PM EDT
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That dashcam video showed a very SLOW impact speed. The audio tended to indicate that the video was played at normal speed, too.
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:08:05 PM EDT
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That dashcam video showed a very SLOW impact speed. The audio tended to indicate that the video was played at normal speed, too. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:09:53 PM EDT
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I'm guessing it needs to make power to run the hydraulic pumps. How long from realizing you are out if fuel, to getting the hydrazine going is the question. Turning final or in the overhead, I don't know if they can make the switch that quick. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I thought this happened on take off but it sounds like it was on landing. That explains my fuel confusion. No hydraulics or no hydraulics due to no engine powering the hydraulics? |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:10:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Eh. There are a lot of variables. But if the above were the case... One would think there was plenty of potential for ignition from all the electrical wiring involved in the crash both in the building and the aircraft among many, many other things. You can see in the pictures in the warehouse that there was a lot of black smoke, but one would assume that the broken water main that is dumping hundreds of gallons of water on the aircraft may have put the fire out... And that it was not a fuel fed fire due to the fact that a fuel fed fire would only be spread by water. https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/a7ef4c21-25e1-46cf-95c0-c083afc2ec2f.png But that is all speculation. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:11:16 PM EDT
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As said earlier in the thread it would. But I would assume that the EPU would not come on automatically. He may have been too low to get it up and running in time for it to be useful. But what do I know. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:11:50 PM EDT
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 VIDEO: F-16 goes down moments before it crashes into building | ABC7 |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:13:19 PM EDT
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 F-16 Fighter Jet Crashes Into Riverside Warehouse |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:15:37 PM EDT
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Man I would have thought emergency power would come on automatically. In my industry, emergency systems are automatic Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As said earlier in the thread it would. But I would assume that the EPU would not come on automatically. He may have been too low to get it up and running in time for it to be useful. But what do I know.
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:18:11 PM EDT
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I'm sure someone here can answer that question. A lot of things on aircraft are not automatic. You don't always want things happening on their own when you're thousands of feet off the ground. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:19:30 PM EDT
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A crew chief would never fuck up! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wouldn't be the first time an F-16 crashed because of fuel starvation. No fire? I'm not saying it's devoid of fuel...but... |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:22:37 PM EDT
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I know there at least one F16 pilot here. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:23:17 PM EDT
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I know there at least one F16 pilot here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm sure someone here can answer that question. A lot of things on aircraft are not automatic. You don't always want things happening on their own when you're thousands of feet off the ground. ETA: That system is checked as part of the launch procedures. However, it’s only checked with bleed air as using H70 would suck for us on the ground. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:23:47 PM EDT
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I was about 0.75 miles from the runway, about 1.25 miles from the crash when it happened. The cops, fire trucks, and ambulances all rushed there and then in a bit came back as the military took over. The F-16s sortie out here from LAX while on Combat Air Patrol for the west coast. I imagine that was an interesting flight. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:25:30 PM EDT
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It would be in "norm" in the air. It's automatic. ETA: That system is checked as part of the launch procedures. However, it's only checked with bleed air as using H70 would suck for us on the ground. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:26:46 PM EDT
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I'm sure someone here can answer that question. A lot of things on aircraft are not automatic. You don't always want things happening on their own when you're thousands of feet off the ground. If loss of hydraulic pressure is due to an issue other than pressure generation (such as a hydraulic line rupture) the supplemental hydraulic pressure generated by the EPU could be ineffective. The -16 does have two hydraulic systems with some redundancy for control surfaces. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:27:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:28:11 PM EDT
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Is March anywhere near where Norton Air Force Base used to be?
I remember going to an airshow at Norton around 1968 or so. Or maybe it was just an open house deal. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:28:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The -16 EPU will automatically turn on to supplement or supply electrical power and hydraulic pressure as needed. It can also be manually turned on. If loss of hydraulic pressure is due to an issue other than pressure generation (such as a hydraulic line rupture) the supplemental hydraulic pressure generated by the EPU could be ineffective. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:29:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:30:57 PM EDT
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The -16 EPU will automatically turn on to supplement or supply electrical power and hydraulic pressure as needed. It can also be manually turned on. If loss of hydraulic pressure is due to an issue other than pressure generation (such as a hydraulic line rupture) the supplemental hydraulic pressure generated by the EPU could be ineffective. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm sure someone here can answer that question. A lot of things on aircraft are not automatic. You don't always want things happening on their own when you're thousands of feet off the ground. If loss of hydraulic pressure is due to an issue other than pressure generation (such as a hydraulic line rupture) the supplemental hydraulic pressure generated by the EPU could be ineffective. I understand if you can't answer, but I would assume that the 16 has redundant hydraulic systems. Is it from one single oil source or does it have separate tanks for the independent systems? |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:31:33 PM EDT
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Do you know how many I-215s there are? There's one or two in CA, there's one in Vegas, and there's one in Salt Lake. I commute I-215 in Salt Lake every day of the world. Well, except weekends. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My girlfriend watched it happen in person. She called from the 215 to tell me about it. There's one or two in CA, there's one in Vegas, and there's one in Salt Lake. I commute I-215 in Salt Lake every day of the world. Well, except weekends. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:31:59 PM EDT
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In the norm position does it start automatically? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It would be in "norm" in the air. It's automatic. ETA: That system is checked as part of the launch procedures. However, it's only checked with bleed air as using H70 would suck for us on the ground. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:33:12 PM EDT
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Depending on the situation, yes. |
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:46:39 PM EDT
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Yes, full suit with SCBA. Fireman's boots. We rotate as needed for air or heat/exhaustion etc. Even after securing the AC and the fuel container cleanup can take days or longer. Even contaminated dirt or porous structure sometimes has to be removed. If the suits leak, the poor bastards get hosed naked with fire hoses. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 5/16/2019 11:49:49 PM EDT
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Damn dude I forgot about that one. It was at the Sutter Buttes IIRC? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Big response for a U-2? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cs0WoiXUAAAynMq.jpg |
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