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Posted: 12/14/2015 1:51:54 PM EDT
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Owned pg 2
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Posted: 12/14/2015 1:54:02 PM EDT
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For anyone who is curious:
The statute: 49 U.S. Code § 46317 - Criminal penalty for pilots operating in air transportation without an airman’s certificate (a)General Criminal Penalty.—An individual shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned for not more than 3 years, or both, if that individual—
(1) knowingly and willfully serves or attempts to serve in any capacity as an airman operating an aircraft in air transportation without an airman’s certificate authorizing the individual to serve in that capacity; or (2) knowingly and willfully employs for service or uses in any capacity as an airman to operate an aircraft in air transportation an individual who does not have an airman’s certificate authorizing the individual to serve in that capacity. 49 U.S. Code § 40102 - Definitions ...
(5) “air transportation” means foreign air transportation, interstate air transportation, or the transportation of mail by aircraft. (6) “aircraft” means any contrivance invented, used, or designed to navigate, or fly in, the air. ... (8) “airman” means an individual— (A) in command, or as pilot, mechanic, or member of the crew, who navigates aircraft when under way; (B) except to the extent the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration may provide otherwise for individuals employed outside the United States, who is directly in charge of inspecting, maintaining, overhauling, or repairing aircraft, aircraft engines, propellers, or appliances; or (C) who serves as an aircraft dispatcher or air traffic control-tower operator. The FAA's Q&A: Q: What is the penalty for failing to register?
A: Failure to register an aircraft may result in regulatory and criminal sanctions. The FAA may assess civil penalties up to $27,500. Criminal penalties include fines of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment for up to three years. Q: Will an operator be required to have proof of registration while operating the UAS? A: Yes. You will be required to have your FAA registration certificate in your possession when operating your unmanned aircraft. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 1:54:18 PM EDT
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What a giant heaping pile of horseshit.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 1:56:10 PM EDT
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.55 lbs is a lot smaller than I was expecting. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 1:57:30 PM EDT
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While I found it interesting, I really didn't care enough to spend money on this kind of thing before(aside from one bad experience with a dirt cheap foam fixed wing RTF kit), but this makes me want to build huge noisy drones with flashing lights and noise makers to fly around unregistered.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 1:57:47 PM EDT
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What a giant heaping pile of horseshit. They will prob new a new wing of the FAA to handle all this. More government lackies to support. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 1:58:13 PM EDT
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From their FAQ:
Q. I am a citizen of a foreign country who lives in the United States. How do I know if I can register a drone with the FAA? A. Federal law allows an individual citizen of another country who has been lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States under the regulations of the Department of Homeland Security to register an aircraft, including a drone, with the FAA. Illegal immigrants cant register them, liberals gonna be pissed! Q. How do I prove I am registered? A. A certificate of registration will be available to download and will be sent to your email address at the time of registration. When operating your UAS you must be able to present the certificate in either print or electronic format if asked for proof of registration. Great, so now the FAA can ramp check you at the model airplane field. 
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Posted: 12/14/2015 1:58:26 PM EDT
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more little taxes
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Posted: 12/14/2015 1:59:36 PM EDT
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Land of the free...  ....some many restrictions may do apply.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 1:59:51 PM EDT
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from the FAQ Q: What is the penalty for failing to register? A: Failure to register an aircraft may result in regulatory and criminal sanctions. The FAA may assess civil penalties up to $27,500. Criminal penalties include fines of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment for up to three years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone know what the penalties are? from the FAQ Q: What is the penalty for failing to register? A: Failure to register an aircraft may result in regulatory and criminal sanctions. The FAA may assess civil penalties up to $27,500. Criminal penalties include fines of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment for up to three years. Wtf?! |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:00:55 PM EDT
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Compliance rate will be about the same as for GMRS radios.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:01:09 PM EDT
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Yeah...just more government getting out of hand.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:01:12 PM EDT
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Guess i should cut mine in two with a torch for the children and common sense and all that
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:02:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems like this should be the motto of our .gov http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah202/FLYNHGHR2001/image.jpg1_zpso70vtlhn.jpg  Serving the flying community since 2015. If you like your airspace, you can keep your airspace. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:03:16 PM EDT
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I can see the compliance rate for this being close to zero. For what is out there now, yes. Future sales? Dunno, they were talking registration at the time of purchase. Preban unregistered drones.
Its gonna be funny watching people getting ramped at the model airplane field. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:04:16 PM EDT
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Anyone know what the penalties are? They take away your pilots license! |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:04:58 PM EDT
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Wtf?! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone know what the penalties are? from the FAQ Q: What is the penalty for failing to register? A: Failure to register an aircraft may result in regulatory and criminal sanctions. The FAA may assess civil penalties up to $27,500. Criminal penalties include fines of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment for up to three years. Wtf?! Timmy is going to have to break open his piggy bank |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:05:29 PM EDT
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Ba....ha....ha...haha...ha.........ha.......
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:07:29 PM EDT
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No
Just fucking no |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:07:41 PM EDT
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Honestly, I'm surprised it took them this long. Seriously.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:07:58 PM EDT
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Lol, I'll comply with this as much as I do with dog licenses and health insurance mandates. Fuck them.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:12:19 PM EDT
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Now parents will have to tell their kids why their house was raided for containing unregistered flying toys. Show me your registration, kid! 
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:12:36 PM EDT
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"Owners of any other UAS purchased for use as a model aircraft after December 21, 2015 must register before the first flight outdoors."
I wonder how many people are going to become felons on Christmas morning? That's one hell of a Christmas gift. Thanks FED GOV! |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:14:16 PM EDT
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dang, I was going to fly mine around the local international airport
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:14:32 PM EDT
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The FAA estimates that in calendar year 2014, 200,000 small unmanned aircraft were operated in the NAS in model aircraft operations. During this period, the FAA received 238 reports of potentially unsafe UAS operations.
In order to implement the new streamlined, web-based system described in this IFR, the FAA will incur costs to develop, implement, and maintain the system. Small UAS operators will require time to register and mark their aircraft, and that time has a cost. The total of government and registrant resource cost for small unmanned aircraft registration and marking under this new system is $56 million ($46 million present value at 7 percent) through 2020. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:14:52 PM EDT
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Lol, I'll comply with this as much as I do with dog licenses and health insurance mandates. Fuck them. To my knowledge neither of those are felony offenses. A more appropriate analogy could possibly be manufacturing an illegal machine gun or willful tax evasion. Think about that for a moment. Flying a toy in your backyard without registration could wind up seeing that person fined and imprisoned on a similar level with a person who manufactures an illegal machine gun. This will be used as a tool to crush people . |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:14:52 PM EDT
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"Owners of any other UAS purchased for use as a model aircraft after December 21, 2015 must register before the first flight outdoors." I wonder how many people are going to become felons on Christmas morning? That's one hell of a Christmas gift. Thanks FED GOV! Seriously. 1 million 10yr olds will be breaking the law. You know mandatory licensing and insurance will be coming very very soon. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:15:31 PM EDT
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"Owners of any other UAS purchased for use as a model aircraft after December 21, 2015 must register before the first flight outdoors." I wonder how many people are going to become felons on Christmas morning? That's one hell of a Christmas gift. Thanks FED GOV! Fly a toy and lose your guns... Toys are serious business... |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:15:56 PM EDT
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.55 lbs is a lot smaller than I was expecting. I think an average Trex 450 with battery exceeds that weight. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:16:24 PM EDT
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The FAA estimates that in calendar year 2014, 200,000 small unmanned aircraft were operated in the NAS in model aircraft operations. During this period, the FAA received 238 reports of potentially unsafe UAS operations.
In order to implement the new streamlined, web-based system described in this IFR, the FAA will incur costs to develop, implement, and maintain the system. Small UAS operators will require time to register and mark their aircraft, and that time has a cost. The total of government and registrant resource cost for small unmanned aircraft registration and marking under this new system is $56 million ($46 million present value at 7 percent) through 2020. That means it's going to end up costing $5 billion The registration website alone will cost $2 billion |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:16:30 PM EDT
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So this applies to ALL R/C aircraft or just "drones" (quadcopters)? I mean come on they sell the damn things at grocery stores now.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:16:45 PM EDT
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Piss up a rope. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:17:17 PM EDT
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So if I build a scale model Minuteman III, does that mean all the independent reentry vehicles have to be registered too?
Off to call the FAA! 
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:17:44 PM EDT
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So this applies to ALL R/C aircraft or just "drones" (quadcopters)? I mean come on they sell the damn things at grocery stores now. All. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:18:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So this applies to ALL R/C aircraft or just "drones" (quadcopters)? I mean come on they sell the damn things at grocery stores now. It applies to ALL R/C aircraft. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:19:50 PM EDT
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The FAA estimates that in calendar year 2014, 200,000 small unmanned aircraft were operated in the NAS in model aircraft operations. During this period, the FAA received 238 reports of potentially unsafe UAS operations.
In order to implement the new streamlined, web-based system described in this IFR, the FAA will incur costs to develop, implement, and maintain the system. Small UAS operators will require time to register and mark their aircraft, and that time has a cost. The total of government and registrant resource cost for small unmanned aircraft registration and marking under this new system is $56 million ($46 million present value at 7 percent) through 2020. $56 million and they contracted it out: Q. Who can see the data that I can enter? A. The FAA will be able to see the data that you enter. The FAA is using a contractor to maintain the website and database, and that contractor also will be able to see the data that you enter. Like the FAA, the contractor is required to comply with strict legal requirements to protect the confidentiality of the personal data you provide. Under certain circumstances, law enforcement officers might also be able to see the data. So a contractor will have all the info you have to give, but hey there's strict legal requirements! |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:20:23 PM EDT
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Unbelievable. I've been flying RC for decades. This is beyond ridiculous. I'll probably quit before I "register" a damn thing. So pissed...
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:21:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:23:02 PM EDT
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In before newly made felon teens say fuck it and shoot the shit out of the local FAA office.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:23:21 PM EDT
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And if I build my own, never register it, and only fly it responsibly and never cause any problems... how are they going to know?
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:25:26 PM EDT
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So this applies to ALL R/C aircraft or just "drones" (quadcopters)? I mean come on they sell the damn things at grocery stores now. Waiting to see which jackwagon in Congress will make statements like these. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. "They are available in grocery stores. We must close the grocery store loophole." "“If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States, for an outright ban, picking up every one of them, Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here.” |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:25:37 PM EDT
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So if I build a scale model Minuteman III, does that mean all the independent reentry vehicles have to be registered too? Off to call the FAA! 
Wait, so does that make model rockets missiles now?
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:26:54 PM EDT
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They did this to scanner owners in the 1990s (thaks Newt Gingrich). If I tune between 870 - 890 MHz I'm instantly committing a felony even though analog phone operation ceased about a decade ago.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:28:28 PM EDT
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$56 million and they contracted it out: Q. Who can see the data that I can enter? A. The FAA will be able to see the data that you enter. The FAA is using a contractor to maintain the website and database, and that contractor also will be able to see the data that you enter. Like the FAA, the contractor is required to comply with strict legal requirements to protect the confidentiality of the personal data you provide. Under certain circumstances, law enforcement officers might also be able to see the data. So a Chinese contractor will have all the info you have to give, but hey there's strict legal requirements! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The FAA estimates that in calendar year 2014, 200,000 small unmanned aircraft were operated in the NAS in model aircraft operations. During this period, the FAA received 238 reports of potentially unsafe UAS operations.
In order to implement the new streamlined, web-based system described in this IFR, the FAA will incur costs to develop, implement, and maintain the system. Small UAS operators will require time to register and mark their aircraft, and that time has a cost. The total of government and registrant resource cost for small unmanned aircraft registration and marking under this new system is $56 million ($46 million present value at 7 percent) through 2020. $56 million and they contracted it out: Q. Who can see the data that I can enter? A. The FAA will be able to see the data that you enter. The FAA is using a contractor to maintain the website and database, and that contractor also will be able to see the data that you enter. Like the FAA, the contractor is required to comply with strict legal requirements to protect the confidentiality of the personal data you provide. Under certain circumstances, law enforcement officers might also be able to see the data. So a Chinese contractor will have all the info you have to give, but hey there's strict legal requirements! FIFY |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:29:06 PM EDT
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So... The FAA... That has NO Art 1 Sec 8 power to exist in the first place... Is now rewriting major statutes absent even unConstitutional legislation passed by Congress? And requiring a fee/tax on top of it?
Yeah... I'll comply with that... In about... Never. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:29:26 PM EDT
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So if I build a scale model Minuteman III, does that mean all the independent reentry vehicles have to be registered too? Off to call the FAA! Send a letter.....
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:29:50 PM EDT
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And if I build my own, never register it, and only fly it responsibly and never cause any problems... how are they going to know? The same way they and every other agency enforce our draconian laws: wait until you pop up on their radar and then strike. Maybe your neighbor is mad your dog pissed on their lawn and they report you. Maybe they investigate you for a crime you had nothing to do with and they see this by chance. Maybe you post a video on face book or pictures of your brand new X and sitting in the background is something some bureaucrat sees in between porn viewing sessions and investigates. On and on it goes. That's what makes these laws so brilliant and terrifying: they can't get everyone but they can absolutely destroy us should the right people take an interest. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:31:01 PM EDT
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It might be worth the risk of SSS vs paying the fine, for this "crime"
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:32:37 PM EDT
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LOL, I fly on private property, eat a dick FAA
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Posted: 12/14/2015 2:35:01 PM EDT
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