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Posted: 12/14/2015 3:34:07 PM EDT
[#1]
All I have is a Syma X5C. I think it weighs more than .55lbs.
I'll get right on that, Uncle .gov. 
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Posted: 12/14/2015 3:35:08 PM EDT
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Are they over .55 lbs? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I suspect the large styrofoam gliders will need to be registered now.  Are they over .55 lbs? Most of them are quite a bit more. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 3:35:47 PM EDT
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In before radio controlled objects weigh less than 5lbs or more than 50lbs
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Posted: 12/14/2015 3:37:28 PM EDT
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The real question is.... Will people's accounts be locked for saying they "did not comply"?  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I can see the compliance rate for this being close to zero. The real question is.... Will people's accounts be locked for saying they "did not comply"? Aimless is probably moist already. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 3:39:56 PM EDT
[#5]
Hilarious.
The R/C flyers can cripple the system in a week. There are only so many Tail Numbers... An N-Number can be in any of these formats One to five numbers (N12345) One to four numbers followed by one letter (N1234Z) One to three numbers followed by two letters (N123AZ) N-Numbers do not have A zero (0) as the first number The letters "I" or "O" Register everything you have. Now. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 3:40:03 PM EDT
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Pretty much. The author of that book went through alot of shit just trying to be a small commercial farmer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Pretty much. The author of that book went through alot of shit just trying to be a small commercial farmer. See my sig line. I've been to Salatin's place and filled a huge cooler with pork and chicken from his farm. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 3:42:31 PM EDT
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I have an RC car that can get airborn off a ramp. I may need to register that. You should. Post pics. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 3:42:47 PM EDT
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Way to go .gov. Assholes. FPNI |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 3:43:38 PM EDT
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I can see the compliance rate for this being close to zero. The consequence will be that 10 year olds become desensitized to ignoring the law even more so than they are now. I have mixed feelings about that. 
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Posted: 12/14/2015 3:48:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The real question is.... Will people's accounts be locked for saying they "did not comply"? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I can see the compliance rate for this being close to zero. The real question is.... Will people's accounts be locked for saying they "did not comply"? Didn't you know protesting the government is patriotic? Why do you hate freedom and patriotism? |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 3:49:25 PM EDT
[#11]
Sweet! I have a pre-ban quad copter!
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Posted: 12/14/2015 3:50:22 PM EDT
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LOL, I fly on private property, eat a dick FAA That's like saying I only shoot my unregistered suppressed machinegun on private property so eat dick ATF! |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 3:55:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/14/2015 3:56:05 PM EDT
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In before radio controlled objects weigh less than 5lbs or more than 50lbs You fail at reading comprehension. The registration doesn't apply for systems under .5 lbs, which are virtually worthless outdoors. There is a separate registration requirement for systems over 55 lbs. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 3:58:12 PM EDT
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Hilarious. The R/C flyers can cripple the system in a week. There are only so many Tail Numbers... An N-Number can be in any of these formats One to five numbers (N12345) One to four numbers followed by one letter (N1234Z) One to three numbers followed by two letters (N123AZ) N-Numbers do not have A zero (0) as the first number The letters "I" or "O" Register everything you have. Now. Registration is not for each individual aircraft but for owners instead. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 3:59:41 PM EDT
[#16]
They can suck my short fat white dick. I aint registering shit.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:00:45 PM EDT
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They can suck my short fat white dick. I aint registering shit. 
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:02:39 PM EDT
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OH YEAH SMELL THAT FREEDOM BABY
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:04:51 PM EDT
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Will no comply. The FAA already got bitch slapped for trying to regulate non-commercial RC aircraft. It's out of their jurisdiction. Cite of referenced "bitch slap"? |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:05:26 PM EDT
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As I said in the other thread this sports are so "acceptable". Anything beyond sitting on your couch drooling like a moron watching more morons throw a ball around like primates is suspicious. It's especially suspicious if it involves learning or specialized knowledge in anything involving mechanics and electronics. Pretty much this. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:08:44 PM EDT
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Pretty much this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As I said in the other thread this sports are so "acceptable". Anything beyond sitting on your couch drooling like a moron watching more morons throw a ball around like primates is suspicious. It's especially suspicious if it involves learning or specialized knowledge in anything involving mechanics and electronics. Pretty much this. Supposed to have read "This is why sports are so acceptable..." |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:08:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cite of referenced "bitch slap"? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Will no comply. The FAA already got bitch slapped for trying to regulate non-commercial RC aircraft. It's out of their jurisdiction. Cite of referenced "bitch slap"? Id like to know about the bitch slap, but there is this... (a) IN GENERAL.—Notwithstanding any other provision of law relating to the incorporation of unmanned aircraft systems into Federal Aviation Administration plans and policies, including this subtitle, the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration may not promulgate any rule or regulation regarding a model aircraft, or an aircraft being developed as a model aircraft, if— (1) the aircraft is flown strictly for hobby or recreational use; (2) the aircraft is operated in accordance with a community-based set of safety guidelines and within the programming of a nationwide community-based organization; (3) the aircraft is limited to not more than 55 pounds unless otherwise certified through a design, construction, inspection, flight test, and operational safety program administered by a community-based organization; (4) the aircraft is operated in a manner that does not interfere with and gives way to any manned aircraft; and (5) when flown within 5 miles of an airport, the operator of the aircraft provides the airport operator and the airport air traffic control tower (when an air traffic facility is located at the airport) with prior notice of the operation (model aircraft operators flying from a permanent location within 5 miles of an airport should establish a mutually-agreed upon operating procedure with the airport operator and the airport air traffic control tower (when an air traffic facility is located at the airport)). (b) STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION.—Nothing in this section shall be construed to limit the authority of the Administrator to pursue enforcement action against persons operating model aircraft who endanger the safety of the national airspace system. (c) MODEL AIRCRAFT DEFINED.—In this section, the term ‘‘model aircraft’’ means an unmanned aircraft that is— (1) capable of sustained flight in the atmosphere; VerDate Mar 15 2010 03:52 Feb 04, 2012 Jkt 072595 PO 00000 Frm 00072 Fmt 6659 Sfmt 6603 E:\HR\OC\HR381.XXX HR381 pwalker on DSK7TPTVN1PROD with REPORTS 69 (2) flown within visual line of sight of the person operating the aircraft; and (3) flown for hobby or recreational purposes. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:09:26 PM EDT
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Supposed to have read "This is why sports are so acceptable..." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As I said in the other thread this sports are so "acceptable". Anything beyond sitting on your couch drooling like a moron watching more morons throw a ball around like primates is suspicious. It's especially suspicious if it involves learning or specialized knowledge in anything involving mechanics and electronics. Pretty much this. Supposed to have read "This is why sports are so acceptable..." No worries, the message came through 
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:11:14 PM EDT
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I'm just into RC rock crawlers, but this makes me want to get a drone and fly it around unregistered.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:12:38 PM EDT
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Id like to know about the bitch slap, but there is this... SEC. 336. SPECIAL RULE FOR MODEL AIRCRAFT.(a) IN GENERAL.—Notwithstanding any other provision of lawrelating to the incorporation of unmanned aircraft systems into FederalAviation Administration plans and policies, including this subtitle,the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration maynot promulgate any rule or regulation regarding a model aircraft,or an aircraft being developed as a model aircraft, if—(1) the aircraft is flown strictly for hobby or recreationaluse;(2) the aircraft is operated in accordance with a community-basedset of safety guidelines and within the programmingof a nationwide community-based organization;(3) the aircraft is limited to not more than 55 pounds unlessotherwise certified through a design, construction, inspection,flight test, and operational safety program administeredby a community-based organization;(4) the aircraft is operated in a manner that does not interferewith and gives way to any manned aircraft; and(5) when flown within 5 miles of an airport, the operatorof the aircraft provides the airport operator and the airport airtraffic control tower (when an air traffic facility is located atthe airport) with prior notice of the operation (model aircraftoperators flying from a permanent location within 5 miles of anairport should establish a mutually-agreed upon operating procedurewith the airport operator and the airport air traffic controltower (when an air traffic facility is located at the airport)).(b) STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION.—Nothing in this section shallbe construed to limit the authority of the Administrator to pursueenforcement action against persons operating model aircraft who endangerthe safety of the national airspace system.(c) MODEL AIRCRAFT DEFINED.—In this section, the term ‘‘modelaircraft’’ means an unmanned aircraft that is—(1) capable of sustained flight in the atmosphere;VerDate Mar 15 2010 03:52 Feb 04, 2012 Jkt 072595 PO 00000 Frm 00072 Fmt 6659 Sfmt 6603 E:\HR\OC\HR381.XXX HR381pwalker on DSK7TPTVN1PROD with REPORTS69(2) flown within visual line of sight of the person operatingthe aircraft; and(3) flown for hobby or recreational purposes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Will no comply. The FAA already got bitch slapped for trying to regulate non-commercial RC aircraft. It's out of their jurisdiction. Cite of referenced "bitch slap"? Id like to know about the bitch slap, but there is this... SEC. 336. SPECIAL RULE FOR MODEL AIRCRAFT.(a) IN GENERAL.—Notwithstanding any other provision of lawrelating to the incorporation of unmanned aircraft systems into FederalAviation Administration plans and policies, including this subtitle,the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration maynot promulgate any rule or regulation regarding a model aircraft,or an aircraft being developed as a model aircraft, if—(1) the aircraft is flown strictly for hobby or recreationaluse;(2) the aircraft is operated in accordance with a community-basedset of safety guidelines and within the programmingof a nationwide community-based organization;(3) the aircraft is limited to not more than 55 pounds unlessotherwise certified through a design, construction, inspection,flight test, and operational safety program administeredby a community-based organization;(4) the aircraft is operated in a manner that does not interferewith and gives way to any manned aircraft; and(5) when flown within 5 miles of an airport, the operatorof the aircraft provides the airport operator and the airport airtraffic control tower (when an air traffic facility is located atthe airport) with prior notice of the operation (model aircraftoperators flying from a permanent location within 5 miles of anairport should establish a mutually-agreed upon operating procedurewith the airport operator and the airport air traffic controltower (when an air traffic facility is located at the airport)).(b) STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION.—Nothing in this section shallbe construed to limit the authority of the Administrator to pursueenforcement action against persons operating model aircraft who endangerthe safety of the national airspace system.(c) MODEL AIRCRAFT DEFINED.—In this section, the term ‘‘modelaircraft’’ means an unmanned aircraft that is—(1) capable of sustained flight in the atmosphere;VerDate Mar 15 2010 03:52 Feb 04, 2012 Jkt 072595 PO 00000 Frm 00072 Fmt 6659 Sfmt 6603 E:\HR\OC\HR381.XXX HR381pwalker on DSK7TPTVN1PROD with REPORTS69(2) flown within visual line of sight of the person operatingthe aircraft; and(3) flown for hobby or recreational purposes. Which has now been superseded. And the part I bolded is rather limiting anyway. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:15:15 PM EDT
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Q. Do I have to register a paper airplane, or a toy balloon or Frisbee?
A. No. Even if these things could be considered "drones" or "unmanned aircraft" and met the minimum weight threshold of 250 gm/0.55 lb., the registration rules also require that they be a part of an "unmanned aircraft system." An "unmanned aircraft system" includes the communication links and components that control the small unmanned aircraft along with all of the other elements needed to safely operate the drone. Paper airplanes, toy balloons, Frisbees, and similar items are not connected to such control system. Did someone type that with a straight face? |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:17:21 PM EDT
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Fuck that shit.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:21:08 PM EDT
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Registration is not for each individual aircraft but for owners instead. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hilarious. The R/C flyers can cripple the system in a week. There are only so many Tail Numbers... An N-Number can be in any of these formats One to five numbers (N12345) One to four numbers followed by one letter (N1234Z) One to three numbers followed by two letters (N123AZ) N-Numbers do not have A zero (0) as the first number The letters "I" or "O" Register everything you have. Now. Registration is not for each individual aircraft but for owners instead. And not going to be N numbers. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:21:53 PM EDT
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You know why this happened right! A few idiots caused problems with real aircraft, or spying on people and potentially causing harm to a person. They got lawyers involved, government stuck its nose in everyone elses business and now we got this.
These few idiots have caused ALL aircraft to be registered, not just the proposed drones as originally thought. I wonder how they intend to educate people on flying safely......oh thats right they don't. This is the job of the AMA, when you become a member. Registration is nothing more than feel goodism by the anti-hobbyists. I dont belong to AMA, and used to fly on private property when it wasnt a big deal. I live within Luke Air Force Base flight path, I suspect many of you don't live that close to an airport or AFB, I have had to seek permission to fly aircraft before, most of the time was okay. The one time it was not they were conducting sorties in the area I was flying in, and said NO. See page 31 of the pdf Table 4 says its not $5 each it says you the owner are registering yourself, apply for a number blah blah blah. page 39 says it also include model rockets https://www.faa.gov/uas/publications/media/RTFARCFinalReport_11-21-15.pdf RILA, Horizon Hobby, and many individual commenters supported registration prior to operation. They stated that this approach would make it possible to capture the many UAS that are purchased as gifts, from foreign web sites, or sold privately and those that are constructed by the operator. page 82  Know who you are supporting here, Horizon hobby supported registration. Thank the industry too.
read page 104, some of the commenters are complete fucking retards. I went thru and read some of the comments, it emulates some of the stupid that gets posted on GD, what would one expect. Clarification/Request for Information:
Commenters also responded to the issue of a registration fee and how the fee should be collected based on questions posed in the Clarification/Request for Information. Of the commenters that supported a registration fee, the majority stated that the fee should be nominal and suggested between $1 and $40. Other commenters suggested fees as high as $250 for hobbyists and $1,000 for commercial users.
The FAA may also use administrative action or legal enforcement action to gain compliance. Failure to register an aircraft can result in civil penalties up to $27,500. Criminal penalties for failure to register can include fines of up to $250,000 under 18 U.S.C. 3571 and/or imprisonment up to 3 years. 49 U.S.C. 46306 page 182-184 Read the 211 page document. You'll see how they came up with everyone registers for all Aircraft activities, commenters be damned, they help add some shit. 250grams = 8 ounces and some change. That aint much. Ive inquired about additional required information, because I fly, I dont want to be charged a fine and a felony or prison time which would cause a loss of my rights for flying a toy and taking the armchair commando tough guy talk about not complying. Internet tough guys.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:22:06 PM EDT
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Hilarious. The R/C flyers can cripple the system in a week. There are only so many Tail Numbers... An N-Number can be in any of these formats One to five numbers (N12345) One to four numbers followed by one letter (N1234Z) One to three numbers followed by two letters (N123AZ) N-Numbers do not have A zero (0) as the first number The letters "I" or "O" Register everything you have. Now. What was the tail number of that FBI plane circling San Bernadino during the shooting??? You know, just for curiosity sake. I mean hell, think of all the scale kits out there that had the numbers of actual full size planes on them... Damn counterfeits flying around with cloned registration numbers... |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:22:25 PM EDT
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Did someone type that with a straight face? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Q. Do I have to register a paper airplane, or a toy balloon or Frisbee?
A. No. Even if these things could be considered "drones" or "unmanned aircraft" and met the minimum weight threshold of 250 gm/0.55 lb., the registration rules also require that they be a part of an "unmanned aircraft system." An "unmanned aircraft system" includes the communication links and components that control the small unmanned aircraft along with all of the other elements needed to safely operate the drone. Paper airplanes, toy balloons, Frisbees, and similar items are not connected to such control system. Did someone type that with a straight face? no but I am sure some dumb fuck answered it with a straight face. Just following orders. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:23:02 PM EDT
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Fuck them. Next time I see my congressional rep I am going to ask him if he voted on this horseshit. I know he didn't. Anything they can throw you in jail for he should have to vote on. Taxation without representation. Fuck off FAA, come and get me.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:23:24 PM EDT
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Did someone type that with a straight face? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Q. Do I have to register a paper airplane, or a toy balloon or Frisbee?
A. No. Even if these things could be considered "drones" or "unmanned aircraft" and met the minimum weight threshold of 250 gm/0.55 lb., the registration rules also require that they be a part of an "unmanned aircraft system." An "unmanned aircraft system" includes the communication links and components that control the small unmanned aircraft along with all of the other elements needed to safely operate the drone. Paper airplanes, toy balloons, Frisbees, and similar items are not connected to such control system. Did someone type that with a straight face? The FAA really hasn't figured out this whole consumer electronics thing. Somebody somewhere is going to figure out a guidance system for Frisbee golf.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:32:00 PM EDT
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Fuck them. Next time I see my congressional rep I am going to ask him if he voted on this horseshit. I know he didn't. Anything they can throw you in jail for he should have to vote on. Taxation without representation. Fuck off FAA, come and get me. There was nothing to vote on. It was rule by regulatory fiat....again. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:33:35 PM EDT
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Might as well register a homing pigeon.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:36:27 PM EDT
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meh
pic of what I fly...think it's like 450 grams or so with battery 
Edit: another one 
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:41:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:41:42 PM EDT
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whatever
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:44:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:45:42 PM EDT
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I'm thinking I'm going to buy a parakeet and register the parakeet with the FAA to my dog. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:51:06 PM EDT
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So... The FAA... That has NO Art 1 Sec 8 power to exist in the first place... Is now rewriting major statutes absent even unConstitutional legislation passed by Congress? And requiring a fee/tax on top of it? Yeah... I'll comply with that... In about... Never. They, unlike many other organizations, do have a prima facie interstate commerce argument. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:51:32 PM EDT
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Gotta love the 4th branch of the government. Agencies - minimal oversight, minimal transparency, ability to disregard public commentary, and Byzantine appeals processes for citizens who may be unfairly treated.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:51:46 PM EDT
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I think some of you guys are missing the upside to all of this. I'm a recognized pilot now! Chicks dig pilots! No, they do not. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:54:19 PM EDT
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Did someone type that with a straight face? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Q. Do I have to register a paper airplane, or a toy balloon or Frisbee?
A. No. Even if these things could be considered "drones" or "unmanned aircraft" and met the minimum weight threshold of 250 gm/0.55 lb., the registration rules also require that they be a part of an "unmanned aircraft system." An "unmanned aircraft system" includes the communication links and components that control the small unmanned aircraft along with all of the other elements needed to safely operate the drone. Paper airplanes, toy balloons, Frisbees, and similar items are not connected to such control system. Did someone type that with a straight face? The FAA is basically an unarmed ATF. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:54:40 PM EDT
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What about 80% drone builds, do we have to register those?
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Posted: 12/14/2015 4:58:03 PM EDT
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So... The FAA... That has NO Art 1 Sec 8 power to exist in the first place... Is now rewriting major statutes absent even unConstitutional legislation passed by Congress? And requiring a fee/tax on top of it? Yeah... I'll comply with that... In about... Never. They, unlike many other organizations, do have a prima facie interstate commerce argument. I don't know the FARs, but have they always been able to claim jurisdiction over all uncontrolled airspace below 500'? The now superseded regulation makes some reference to being able to sustain flight as a defining characteristic. Under that rule, none of my RC helicopters would qualify when flown by my ape-like grace.
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Posted: 12/14/2015 5:00:32 PM EDT
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So... The FAA... That has NO Art 1 Sec 8 power to exist in the first place... Is now rewriting major statutes absent even unConstitutional legislation passed by Congress? And requiring a fee/tax on top of it? Yeah... I'll comply with that... In about... Never. They, unlike many other organizations, do have a prima facie interstate commerce argument. Not everything they set their gaze upon is interstate commerce, however. Merely owning something is not commerce, much less interstate commerce. But yeah, Wickard v Filburn. Logically speaking, unless someone is paying me to fly something through the air and across State lines, no flying interstate commerce has occurred. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 5:04:29 PM EDT
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So frisbees and paper planes don't require registration because there is no direct control link to a person but a model rocket does require registration because.....?
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Posted: 12/14/2015 5:09:40 PM EDT
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Land of the free my ass.
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