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Posted: 10/23/2017 3:59:01 PM EST
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I guess there in lies the communication breakdown. I am not advocating lesser quality data encryption for the consumer! I fully support the best data encryption available to the consumer but as someone who isn't tech savvy, I can't help but think apple could create a program or internal software to retrieve the encrypted data for law enforcement upon issuance of a search warrant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you're requiring him to use cryptographically insecure code (backdoors qualify) by law, then yes you are. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:00:28 PM EST
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You support gun confiscation and Chinese identity theft, got it. It's for the children. That's fucked up, but it's understandable for guns. If you build better hardware it doesn't necessarily get shared and if you take away mine, the JBTs can keep theirs. The difference is there's no marginal production cost to math. So where physical conflict is prejudiced towards win/lose and lose/win on a 2x2 cooperate/defect matrix, computing infrastructure is biased towards win/win and lose/lose. Every backdoor you build, you build for China. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:02:18 PM EST
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I guess there in lies the communication breakdown. I am not advocating lesser quality data encryption for the consumer! I fully support the best data encryption available to the consumer but as someone who isn't tech savvy, I can't help but think apple could create a program or internal software to retrieve the encrypted data for law enforcement upon issuance of a search warrant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you're requiring him to use cryptographically insecure code (backdoors qualify) by law, then yes you are. 
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:05:15 PM EST
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You need to educate yourself on this topic |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:08:12 PM EST
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If only they would hire those purple-mohawked hackers...
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:11:12 PM EST
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I guess there in lies the communication breakdown. I am not advocating lesser quality data encryption for the consumer! I fully support the best data encryption available to the consumer but as someone who isn't tech savvy, I can't help but think apple could create a program or internal software to retrieve the encrypted data for law enforcement upon issuance of a search warrant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you're requiring him to use cryptographically insecure code (backdoors qualify) by law, then yes you are. And if Apple does agree to that, it'll make your job harder in the long run. Criminals (and law abiding people like me who really love the 4A) will use open alternatives, that are heavily and independently audited. If you want to look at my personal stuff, you'd better hope I trust it to a big tech company, instead of compiling audited code myself to make DAMN SURE you ain't looking at anything I don't want you to. And again, I'm not even the one you need to worry about. There are unintended consequences to this stuff. You're really just squeezing a balloon. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:12:54 PM EST
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Good.
Fuck the Feds, and the FBI especially. ETA: Especially because Hillary, Pedowood, Epstein, etc. etc. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:14:05 PM EST
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I fully support the best data encryption available to the consumer but as someone who isn't tech savvy, I can't help but think apple could create a program or internal software to retrieve the encrypted data for law enforcement upon issuance of a search warrant. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:16:54 PM EST
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FBI couldn’t access nearly 7K devices because of encryption These the same asswipes that have mandated the cyber security protocols. Financial, banks, tax prep, real estate, all mandated by threat of a big fine or even jail time to comply with device encryption. My firm just spent half it's IT budget on this mess. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:17:14 PM EST
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Good. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:21:04 PM EST
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I don’t care. I’m not into giving up liberty for safety. Were you ok with the idea of gun control after sandy hook? Do it for the children.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I feel like maybe you don't understand. Even with search warrants, not some covert FBI tin foil CRAP, the information is not being able to be retrieved. This isn't some mass conspiracy, these are child molestors taking pics of you or your neighbors kids, these are drug dealers. Many of them have already been charged but the info for further prosecution can't be received........ask me how I know after busting an auto theft ring Not one more inch. 1A, 2A, 4A, 5A, it doesn’t matter. Infringement is infringement. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:23:57 PM EST
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Fuck 'em if they can't hack a crack!
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:24:35 PM EST
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What could make the situation a bit more...interesting...would be to see how the Supreme Court decides the US v. Microsoft case this year regarding customer data stored by Microsoft overseas...
(I'm torn whether I should do the Dr. Evil finger quotes around "overseas") |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:25:37 PM EST
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I guess there in lies the communication breakdown. I am not advocating lesser quality data encryption for the consumer! I fully support the best data encryption available to the consumer but as someone who isn't tech savvy, I can't help but think apple could create a program or internal software to retrieve the encrypted data for law enforcement upon issuance of a search warrant.
Sounds a lot like people who don’t know shit about guns but want “reasonable restrictions” so that the police can keep our streets SAFE |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:28:49 PM EST
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Oh look you're bringing #Pizzagate into yet another thread.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hey FBI, there's a whole nest of Pedos in Hollywood and DC. They're pretty open about it too. Doubt you'd have to do any hackerman stuff to catch them. Go catch those guys and we'll talk. P.S. The answer will still be no you statist fucks. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:37:15 PM EST
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We need to up those numbers.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:41:16 PM EST
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I think of it like my gun safe: Will my Liberty Franklin stop Robert Deniro's character from "The Score"? Nah. Will it keep out the local methhead / criminal teenager for a while? Sure.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Good enough" for probably 99.97 percent of the threat models out there... (Standing by the get flamed by some obscure Linux flavor zealot) The 4 D's of defense. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:45:51 PM EST
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We need to up those numbers. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:50:14 PM EST
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I guess there in lies the communication breakdown. I am not advocating lesser quality data encryption for the consumer! I fully support the best data encryption available to the consumer but as someone who isn't tech savvy, I can't help but think apple could create a program or internal software to retrieve the encrypted data for law enforcement upon issuance of a search warrant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you're requiring him to use cryptographically insecure code (backdoors qualify) by law, then yes you are. 
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:52:26 PM EST
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No ones asking you to give up liberty and now you're just being silly :). |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:52:57 PM EST
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Boo fucking hoo.
8 years of the Obamanation showed that the government is more interested in attacking anyone who opposes the Democrat party than going after people who bomb marathons and shoot up gay bars and Christmas parties. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:57:02 PM EST
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I guess there in lies the communication breakdown. I am not advocating lesser quality data encryption for the consumer! I fully support the best data encryption available to the consumer but as someone who isn't tech savvy, I can't help but think apple could create a program or internal software to retrieve the encrypted data for law enforcement upon issuance of a search warrant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you're requiring him to use cryptographically insecure code (backdoors qualify) by law, then yes you are. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:58:20 PM EST
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I'm leaning towards dislike of this person. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No ones asking you to give up liberty and now you're just being silly :). 
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:59:32 PM EST
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They have it wrong. They can access the devices... they just can't interpret the data on them. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 4:59:47 PM EST
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Boo fucking hoo. 8 years of the Obamanation showed that the government is more interested in attacking anyone who opposes the Democrat party than going after people who bomb marathons and shoot up gay bars and Christmas parties. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 5:00:26 PM EST
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Good.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 5:03:18 PM EST
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My plan to protect my data from super-secret national level methods is to not do anything that super-secret national level methods are used to counter. if you're just a run of the mill thief or bad guy, freedom has costs, and encryption is just one of them. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 5:07:11 PM EST
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What could make the situation a bit more...interesting...would be to see how the Supreme Court decides the US v. Microsoft case this year regarding customer data stored by Microsoft overseas... (I'm torn whether I should do the Dr. Evil finger quotes around "overseas") |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 5:09:36 PM EST
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Lol I also support drones over nudist colonies, fences make good neighbors, never trust a Siamese hooker, and anything Henry Ford |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 5:10:21 PM EST
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DOJ's public preferences in this regard haven't really changed appreciably from W to Obama and now Trump... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Boo fucking hoo. 8 years of the Obamanation showed that the government is more interested in attacking anyone who opposes the Democrat party than going after people who bomb marathons and shoot up gay bars and Christmas parties. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 5:12:23 PM EST
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I guess there in lies the communication breakdown. I am not advocating lesser quality data encryption for the consumer! I fully support the best data encryption available to the consumer but as someone who isn't tech savvy, I can't help but think apple could create a program or internal software to retrieve the encrypted data for law enforcement upon issuance of a search warrant. Programs and exploits that the NSA had were leaked, so do you think law enforcement is going to have any better security than the NSA? |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 5:14:55 PM EST
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DOJ's public preferences in this regard haven't really changed appreciably from W to Obama and now Trump... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Boo fucking hoo. 8 years of the Obamanation showed that the government is more interested in attacking anyone who opposes the Democrat party than going after people who bomb marathons and shoot up gay bars and Christmas parties. 
Did you light a candle for your pga buddy? 
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Posted: 10/23/2017 5:18:43 PM EST
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I am curious on if citizens of this country have 4th amendment rights for information stored overseas in areas not covered under the constitution. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What could make the situation a bit more...interesting...would be to see how the Supreme Court decides the US v. Microsoft case this year regarding customer data stored by Microsoft overseas... (I'm torn whether I should do the Dr. Evil finger quotes around "overseas") |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 5:21:06 PM EST
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I would think the 4th Amendment attaches to the person, and not necessarily where the data is stored. IANAL. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What could make the situation a bit more...interesting...would be to see how the Supreme Court decides the US v. Microsoft case this year regarding customer data stored by Microsoft overseas... (I'm torn whether I should do the Dr. Evil finger quotes around "overseas") We use anonymous reporting servers in Canada for crime tips because the Canadian government refuses to honor defense attorney subpoenas for information on who made the report. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 5:21:48 PM EST
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GOOD.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 5:22:32 PM EST
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The FBI hasn’t been able to retrieve data from more than half of the mobile devices <snip>
In the first 11 months of the fiscal year, federal agents were unable to access the content of more than 6,900 mobile devices, <snip> “To put it mildly, this is a huge, huge problem,” Wray said. “It impacts investigations across the board — narcotics, human trafficking, counterterrorism, counterintelligence, gangs, organized crime, child exploitation.” Tell them to go pound sand. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 5:22:35 PM EST
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FPNI.
Encrypt all the things, trust me. It works better if you can switch your frequent contacts to using encrypted comms as well. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 5:27:13 PM EST
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Oh sure they could probably create something like that, but you are not very bright if you assume that such a program would only be in the hands of law enforcement. Programs and exploits that the NSA had were leaked, so do you think law enforcement is going to have any better security than the NSA? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess there in lies the communication breakdown. I am not advocating lesser quality data encryption for the consumer! I fully support the best data encryption available to the consumer but as someone who isn't tech savvy, I can't help but think apple could create a program or internal software to retrieve the encrypted data for law enforcement upon issuance of a search warrant. Programs and exploits that the NSA had were leaked, so do you think law enforcement is going to have any better security than the NSA? Certainly couldn't be any worse. Accessibility would be a bitch though.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 5:27:22 PM EST
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Good how many truecrypt containers/hidden containers can they access? Gov doesn't need to be able to crack everyone's hidden stuff. Enter your zip code hereedit |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 5:27:44 PM EST
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Might also depend on the country? We use anonymous reporting servers in Canada for crime tips because the Canadian government refuses to honor defense attorney subpoenas for information on who made the report. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What could make the situation a bit more...interesting...would be to see how the Supreme Court decides the US v. Microsoft case this year regarding customer data stored by Microsoft overseas... (I'm torn whether I should do the Dr. Evil finger quotes around "overseas") We use anonymous reporting servers in Canada for crime tips because the Canadian government refuses to honor defense attorney subpoenas for information on who made the report.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 5:28:19 PM EST
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I will ask the computer savvy guys, is truecrypt using a hidden container still safe? Im talking 7.0 and below. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 5:41:00 PM EST
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I guess there in lies the communication breakdown. I am not advocating lesser quality data encryption for the consumer! I fully support the best data encryption available to the consumer but as someone who isn't tech savvy, I can't help but think apple could create a program or internal software to retrieve the encrypted data for law enforcement upon issuance of a search warrant. Is that god damn constitution keeping you awake at night 
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Posted: 10/23/2017 5:46:42 PM EST
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I am curious on if citizens of this country have 4th amendment rights for information stored overseas in areas not covered under the constitution. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What could make the situation a bit more...interesting...would be to see how the Supreme Court decides the US v. Microsoft case this year regarding customer data stored by Microsoft overseas... (I'm torn whether I should do the Dr. Evil finger quotes around "overseas") Leave it to the government to further kill one of the main industries that we are a leader in.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 5:53:56 PM EST
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So you don’t know anything about encryption, but you want to infringe on People’s freedom so that the government can make people safe
Sounds a lot like people who don’t know shit about guns but want “reasonable restrictions” so that the police can keep our streets SAFE Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I guess there in lies the communication breakdown. I am not advocating lesser quality data encryption for the consumer! I fully support the best data encryption available to the consumer but as someone who isn't tech savvy, I can't help but think apple could create a program or internal software to retrieve the encrypted data for law enforcement upon issuance of a search warrant.
Sounds a lot like people who don’t know shit about guns but want “reasonable restrictions” so that the police can keep our streets SAFE |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 5:56:39 PM EST
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I'm not. But I won't be surprised if the USSC decides that your rights only exist while your data is here, even though you are a US person doing business with a US company. Leave it to the government to further kill one of the main industries that we are a leader in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What could make the situation a bit more...interesting...would be to see how the Supreme Court decides the US v. Microsoft case this year regarding customer data stored by Microsoft overseas... (I'm torn whether I should do the Dr. Evil finger quotes around "overseas") Leave it to the government to further kill one of the main industries that we are a leader in. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 6:03:57 PM EST
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I was trying to be nice but yeah, his argument is identical to the "common sense" gun control argument and full of fail. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 6:07:43 PM EST
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The government already has a search warrant for the data in question in this case. Microsoft is trying to not comply with the warrant by saying that the data (of the US person) is currently being stored in a server based oversees (Ireland, if I recall correctly). The government is arguing that the data is still "controlled" by Microsoft (by any reasonable definition of the term) and should be subject to the warrant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What could make the situation a bit more...interesting...would be to see how the Supreme Court decides the US v. Microsoft case this year regarding customer data stored by Microsoft overseas... (I'm torn whether I should do the Dr. Evil finger quotes around "overseas") Leave it to the government to further kill one of the main industries that we are a leader in. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 6:14:17 PM EST
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I'm not. But I won't be surprised if the USSC decides that your rights only exist while your data is here, even though you are a US person doing business with a US company. Leave it to the government to further kill one of the main industries that we are a leader in. ETA: I wonder if correlations exist. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 6:16:58 PM EST
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Cry me a river. They want back doors? You want hacked? Because that's how you get hacked, leaving back doors that can be found and exploited.
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Posted: 10/23/2017 6:40:50 PM EST
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Question: If the government did get it's way and get a public key to all the things, how long would it take for that key to be published on Wikileaks? Days? Months?
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