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Link Posted: 2/11/2018 11:10:38 AM EST
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Has nothing to do with money. If it was, why would there be panels looking into overprescription of opioids?

The positive feelings and joy we experience doing activities we like is regulated by the opioid receptors. The delta opioid receptors regulate feelings, and mu opioid regulates rewards (source) Start messing with these, and your whole life goes downhill.

Glad its getting banned, f that shit.
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Translation: Fuck freedom and fuck Indonesian tree leaves, I'd rather see people overdosing on pharmaceutical opioid narcotics and dropping dead from benzodiazepine withdrawal. These are drugs that have been "studied" and approved by the same corporate-bureaucratic cartel that profits billions from the opioid crisis and happily watches Americans die to line their wallet. ALL drugs are bad, except for the drugs that big pharma sells. And I prefer to let them tell me what to think. People who need "drugs" to function because of daily agony and pain are losers who should have no quality of life. In fact, they should just suffer or die. Veterans included.



If you hate people like me and our herb... then you come kick my door in and take my Kratom, yourself. Why send cops... you're a grown man, make it happen on your own.

That's some passive aggressive liberal shit right there. Backstabbing legislation is how they get rid of gun owners. You're gonna support a ban, turn your fellow citizen in to a criminal and sic the full weight of Government on them for having a preference YOU don't like. If it's that fucking urgent, why not be a hero yourself? Come and take my freedom- I dare ya.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 11:18:25 AM EST
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Link Posted: 2/11/2018 11:21:54 AM EST
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LOL in pharmaceutical Company
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 11:33:21 AM EST
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Link Posted: 2/11/2018 11:37:50 AM EST
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Simple, it's the current boogeyman in a long, long list.  In general terms, people can't or won't accept responsibility for their own actions or the actions of their loved ones* and feel the need to blame someone else.  They complain about how something needs to be done and so your politicians pick it up as an issue to get them public attention, ergo votes.  Do you really think most congressmen genuinely care if people are overdosing?

You're really a ray of sunshine and a bastion of freedom.  

* There is actually more at work here than a simple weakness but you refused to accept that in another thread so why bother addressing it here.
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The problem is the stuff overrides the natural motivation/reward system and people get addicted to it. Its not about accepting responsibility for their actions, the drug overrides all that. Its like a virus, once it gets inside you, its processes are underway and beyond your control. Autoreceptors downregulate the number or receptors and their effect, so not only does it take more to get high, but the normal everyday things people do to enjoy themselves have less pleasure. Its not just that, its everything has less pleasure because the system is downregulated due to exogenous intake

Its one issue. Yet the pro druggies live and die by it, doubling down on rhetoric saying one doesn't believe in freedom if they're against their one issue.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 11:43:57 AM EST
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The Goldilocks syndrome is plain to see hear. Only the drugs I use but not the ones you use are the ones that the federal government, with absolutely no power to do so legally, should regulate to the point of destroying your life over.

I live in a town full of Mormons (great people BTY) who are not supposed to/do not drink coffee or caffeinated drinks, alcohol, or smoke. Compared to towns just ten miles away there are few coffee and cigarette shops and no bars. That's super as the marketplace is doing that, not the government. The Mormon church doesn't like caffeine, alcohol, or tobacco but hasn't used the boot of the government on my neck saying I can't enjoy a Coke. Like liberals who don't like black pistol gripped guns with detachable magazines actually passed laws forbidding them in clear, hit-me-over-the-head violation of "shall not be infringed", just like in some states you have to pay a tax to buy a shorter barrel than people like, to own or use a safety device that suppresses the amount of noise the firearm produces, or having a firearm that doesn't require you to twitch your finger each and every single time you want to shoot a bullet. How stupid huh?

When a free thinker gets their head out-of-their-ass and starts to actually think about what's going on around them ... stop and smell then jack booted roses ... they become enlightened to the state of the oppression of the federal government in "the land of the free". They clutch and hold tightly in their hands what few  freedoms that government hasn't taxed, regulated, controlled, or completely outlawed. Others with greed and envy wish that they had that one or two freedoms like they have over there. No. F' no. How about releasing the governments boots from our necks for awhile and seeing just what the F happens?

With great freedom comes great responsibility ... with great government control comes citizens without any common sense or cares. Bigger government means smaller citizens.

"Give me Liberty or give me Death" was one of the Founding Father's battle cries ... not any longer. "Give me free homes, food, education, phones, healthcare; and keep me from dangerous drugs, guns, and other things" is the cry of the socialist now.
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Excellent and insightful post. Thank you, sir.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 11:46:06 AM EST
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Link Posted: 2/11/2018 11:51:33 AM EST
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Translation: Fuck freedom and fuck Indonesian tree leaves, I'd rather see people overdosing on pharmaceutical opioid narcotics and dropping dead from benzodiazepine withdrawal. These are drugs that have been "studied" and approved by the same corporate-bureaucratic cartel that profits billions from the opioid crisis and happily watches Americans die to line their wallet. ALL drugs are bad, except for the drugs that big pharma sells. And I prefer to let them tell me what to think. People who need "drugs" to function because of daily agony and pain are losers who should have no quality of life. In fact, they should just suffer or die. Veterans included.



If you hate people like me and our herb... then you come kick my door in and take my Kratom, yourself. Why send cops... you're a grown man, make it happen on your own.

That's some passive aggressive liberal shit right there. Backstabbing legislation is how they get rid of gun owners. You're gonna support a ban, turn your fellow citizen in to a criminal and sic the full weight of Government on them for having a preference YOU don't like. If it's that fucking urgent, why not be a hero yourself? Come and take my freedom- I dare ya.
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I don't even know where to begin. You've made so many incorrect assumptions and wild guesses that its futile to refute each point. You've got your mind made up about me, who is only looking out for people. You think I'm some evil freedom grabber, when all I want is the best quality of life for everyone. People don't realize how bad these drugs are. I've taken a couple of college level courses on this, and its scary to think people just pop these mu receptor agonists without knowing how much they affect their lives.

I suggest looking into the lymbic and reward system, maybe your views on this would change.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 11:52:08 AM EST
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Link Posted: 2/11/2018 11:53:12 AM EST
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It acts as a stimulant but is an "opioid"!!??
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Depends on the individuals brain chemistry.  Some people get down on opiates, some people get up on them.  At least that has been what I have observed.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 11:56:00 AM EST
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The problem is the stuff overrides the natural motivation/reward system and people get addicted to it. Its not about accepting responsibility for their actions, the drug overrides all that. Its like a virus, once it gets inside you, its processes are underway and beyond your control. Autoreceptors downregulate the number or receptors and their effect, so not only does it take more to get high, but the normal everyday things people do to enjoy themselves have less pleasure. Its not just that, its everything has less pleasure because the system is downregulated due to exogenous intake

Its one issue. Yet the pro druggies live and die by it, doubling down on rhetoric saying one doesn't believe in freedom if they're against their one issue.
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The contents of this post are so incredibly inapplicable to the topic of Kratom that you should be ashamed. But you aren't even informed enough to know when you should feel shame.

If you want to debate neuroscience with big words in a territory that is obviously unfamiliar to you, then pepper your angus and wait till I get off this phone and back to my keyboard. I'll be looking forward to your paragraphs of copy/pasted Wikipedia material.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:00:16 PM EST
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With great freedom liberty comes great responsibility ... with great government control comes citizens without any common sense or cares. Bigger government means smaller citizens.

"Give me Liberty or give me Death" was one of the Founding Father's battle cries ... not any longer. "Give me free homes, food, education, phones, healthcare; and keep me from dangerous drugs, guns, and other things" is the cry of the socialist now.
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FIFY  Good post!
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:05:02 PM EST
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So the .gov bans kratom, then in falls into the black channels, then it gets cut with fent, then it kills everybody.

If I can figure that out, I'm sure they did to.  Which leads to the next statement...That is what they intend

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Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:17:27 PM EST
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I suggest you walk a mile in the shoes of someone who suffers chronic pain.

Pain that wakes you up in the middle of the night screaming out loud in pain, tears pouring from your eyes, until you take yet another kidney, liver, and personality killing narcotic. Struggling for hours tossing and turning to find sleep. Raging uncontrollably against the people closest to you to the point where you lose all common sense, pushing everyone away except for those hold on to the memory of you pre-injury/pre-medication. Suffer pain so intense that you can't lay down, walk, sit, have sex, or drive to work without taking the prescribed poisons. Pain so intense that you stop hearing, tasting, smelling, or feeling anything else around you ... drugs so strong that you walk through life as a shell of your former self. The pain doesn't register but at some level another part of the brain knows it's there and you rage inside because of it.

Hell just writing about the way I felt for so many years has my blood pressure elevated and my nerves going causing my hands to tremble again.

If Kratom brings some joy into someone's life and ruins others who are you to claim the power to stop them?
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You have no idea. I broke my nose when I was 12 and ever since then I've had terrible sinus issues. Last 10 years, I can't sleep more than 3 hours at a time, as I wake up and my nose is completely stuffed up, my left eye hurts, I can barely focus my eyes and it takes 2-3 hours for the inflammation to come down so I go to sleep again. Diarrhea, eye pain, migraines, dizzy, sweat profusely, can't read/double vision, extreme tiredness and generally feel like crap for half the day, every day. Doc has had a lot of theories over the years, diabetes was one of them, but now thinks its some autoimmune disease. They got me on antihistamines and flonase which don't work, and told me to take pain pills, which I refuse. They want to go up there and hog it out with a scope from what they found on the CT scan but I don't want that. I don't think I'll live to 60, done enough research on cancer to know that's where this whole thing is headed. So please don't lecture me on pain. My left eye hurts right now as I type.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 12:36:13 PM EST
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F'ing quoting myself.

I had an accident aboard ship the morning of December 31, 1999 while on duty. I was running the duty section of the USS Abraham Lincoln as we were running our reactors to provide power back into the grid for critical loads should Y2K be real. One slip on the second step of the ladder running down the starboard side of MMR2 and I changed my life. On the way down the 25-30 feet of ladder the toes of my right foot caught one of the chain stanchions and pulled my toes back hyperextending the muscles deep inside my calf ... 1, 2, 3 and finally about 80% of the muscle tissues tore loose ending up in a large gumball size knot inside my calf and a lifetime of pain.

The Navy and later the VA gave me a prescription for little blue pills with 30 mg of relief in them. I was addicted to them for some six to eight years ... those who have been here long enough were here for those years.
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That's awful, so sorry that happened to you. Sounds like hell
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 2:28:21 PM EST
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Do you honestly want your children to be doing kratom?
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Do you honestly want your children to be doing kratom?
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Do you want the Federal government to share in the responsibility of raising your children?
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The Goldilocks syndrome is plain to see hear. Only the drugs I use but not the ones you use are the ones that the federal government, with absolutely no power to do so legally, should regulate to the point of destroying your life over.

I live in a town full of Mormons (great people BTY) who are not supposed to/do not drink coffee or caffeinated drinks, alcohol, or smoke. Compared to towns just ten miles away there are few coffee and cigarette shops and no bars. That's super as the marketplace is doing that, not the government. The Mormon church doesn't like caffeine, alcohol, or tobacco but hasn't used the boot of the government on my neck saying I can't enjoy a Coke. Like liberals who don't like black pistol gripped guns with detachable magazines actually passed laws forbidding them in clear, hit-me-over-the-head violation of "shall not be infringed", just like in some states you have to pay a tax to buy a shorter barrel than people like, to own or use a safety device that suppresses the amount of noise the firearm produces, or having a firearm that doesn't require you to twitch your finger each and every single time you want to shoot a bullet. How stupid huh?

When a free thinker gets their head out-of-their-ass and starts to actually think about what's going on around them ... stop and smell then jack booted roses ... they become enlightened to the state of the oppression of the federal government in "the land of the free". They clutch and hold tightly in their hands what few  freedoms that government hasn't taxed, regulated, controlled, or completely outlawed. Others with greed and envy wish that they had that one or two freedoms like they have over there. No. F' no. How about releasing the governments boots from our necks for awhile and seeing just what the F happens?

With great freedom comes great responsibility ... with great government control comes citizens without any common sense or cares. Bigger government means smaller citizens.

"Give me Liberty or give me Death" was one of the Founding Father's battle cries ... not any longer. "Give me free homes, food, education, phones, healthcare; and keep me from dangerous drugs, guns, and other things" is the cry of the socialist now.
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Nailed it.

And I took pretty much the same path of philosophy of government.  I realized a long time ago that while I agree with conservative's on some issues, we differ greatly on the role of the government.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 3:32:10 PM EST
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The Goldilocks syndrome is plain to see hear. Only the drugs I use but not the ones you use are the ones that the federal government, with absolutely no power to do so legally, should regulate to the point of destroying your life over.

I live in a town full of Mormons (great people BTY) who are not supposed to/do not drink coffee or caffeinated drinks, alcohol, or smoke. Compared to towns just ten miles away there are few coffee and cigarette shops and no bars. That's super as the marketplace is doing that, not the government. The Mormon church doesn't like caffeine, alcohol, or tobacco but hasn't used the boot of the government on my neck saying I can't enjoy a Coke. Like liberals who don't like black pistol gripped guns with detachable magazines actually passed laws forbidding them in clear, hit-me-over-the-head violation of "shall not be infringed", just like in some states you have to pay a tax to buy a shorter barrel than people like, to own or use a safety device that suppresses the amount of noise the firearm produces, or having a firearm that doesn't require you to twitch your finger each and every single time you want to shoot a bullet. How stupid huh?

When a free thinker gets their head out-of-their-ass and starts to actually think about what's going on around them ... stop and smell then jack booted roses ... they become enlightened to the state of the oppression of the federal government in "the land of the free". They clutch and hold tightly in their hands what few  freedoms that government hasn't taxed, regulated, controlled, or completely outlawed. Others with greed and envy wish that they had that one or two freedoms like they have over there. No. F' no. How about releasing the governments boots from our necks for awhile and seeing just what the F happens?

With great freedom comes great responsibility ... with great government control comes citizens without any common sense or cares. Bigger government means smaller citizens.

"Give me Liberty or give me Death" was one of the Founding Father's battle cries ... not any longer. "Give me free homes, food, education, phones, healthcare; and keep me from dangerous drugs, guns, and other things" is the cry of the socialist now.
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The Goldilocks syndrome is plain to see hear. Only the drugs I use but not the ones you use are the ones that the federal government, with absolutely no power to do so legally, should regulate to the point of destroying your life over.

I live in a town full of Mormons (great people BTY) who are not supposed to/do not drink coffee or caffeinated drinks, alcohol, or smoke. Compared to towns just ten miles away there are few coffee and cigarette shops and no bars. That's super as the marketplace is doing that, not the government. The Mormon church doesn't like caffeine, alcohol, or tobacco but hasn't used the boot of the government on my neck saying I can't enjoy a Coke. Like liberals who don't like black pistol gripped guns with detachable magazines actually passed laws forbidding them in clear, hit-me-over-the-head violation of "shall not be infringed", just like in some states you have to pay a tax to buy a shorter barrel than people like, to own or use a safety device that suppresses the amount of noise the firearm produces, or having a firearm that doesn't require you to twitch your finger each and every single time you want to shoot a bullet. How stupid huh?

When a free thinker gets their head out-of-their-ass and starts to actually think about what's going on around them ... stop and smell then jack booted roses ... they become enlightened to the state of the oppression of the federal government in "the land of the free". They clutch and hold tightly in their hands what few  freedoms that government hasn't taxed, regulated, controlled, or completely outlawed. Others with greed and envy wish that they had that one or two freedoms like they have over there. No. F' no. How about releasing the governments boots from our necks for awhile and seeing just what the F happens?

With great freedom comes great responsibility ... with great government control comes citizens without any common sense or cares. Bigger government means smaller citizens.

"Give me Liberty or give me Death" was one of the Founding Father's battle cries ... not any longer. "Give me free homes, food, education, phones, healthcare; and keep me from dangerous drugs, guns, and other things" is the cry of the socialist now.
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I suggest you walk a mile in the shoes of someone who suffers chronic pain.

Pain that wakes you up in the middle of the night screaming out loud in pain, tears pouring from your eyes, until you take yet another kidney, liver, and personality killing narcotic. Struggling for hours tossing and turning to find sleep. Raging uncontrollably against the people closest to you to the point where you lose all common sense, pushing everyone away except for those hold on to the memory of you pre-injury/pre-medication. Suffer pain so intense that you can't lay down, walk, sit, have sex, or drive to work without taking the prescribed poisons. Pain so intense that you stop hearing, tasting, smelling, or feeling anything else around you ... drugs so strong that you walk through life as a shell of your former self. The pain doesn't register but at some level another part of the brain knows it's there and you rage inside because of it.

Hell just writing about the way I felt for so many years has my blood pressure elevated and my nerves going causing my hands to tremble again.

If Kratom brings some joy into someone's life and ruins others who are you to claim the power to stop them?
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Thanks
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I'm going to go way out on a limb here and guess the scientific research involved in this study was funded by big pharma. They are not really a big fan of competition.  Especially unregulated competition.

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whoa, whoa, whoa, that is a really long limb. You could fall from that limb and get suicided.  
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 5:00:53 PM EST
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I don't even know where to begin. You've made so many incorrect assumptions and wild guesses that its futile to refute each point. You've got your mind made up about me, who is only looking out for people. You think I'm some evil freedom grabber, when all I want is the best quality of life for everyone. People don't realize how bad these drugs are. I've taken a couple of college level courses on this, and its scary to think people just pop these mu receptor agonists without knowing how much they affect their lives.

I suggest looking into the lymbic and reward system, maybe your views on this would change.
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
C.S. Lewis
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The Goldilocks syndrome is plain to see hear. Only the drugs I use but not the ones you use are the ones that the federal government, with absolutely no power to do so legally, should regulate to the point of destroying your life over.

I live in a town full of Mormons (great people BTY) who are not supposed to/do not drink coffee or caffeinated drinks, alcohol, or smoke. Compared to towns just ten miles away there are few coffee and cigarette shops and no bars. That's super as the marketplace is doing that, not the government. The Mormon church doesn't like caffeine, alcohol, or tobacco but hasn't used the boot of the government on my neck saying I can't enjoy a Coke. Like liberals who don't like black pistol gripped guns with detachable magazines actually passed laws forbidding them in clear, hit-me-over-the-head violation of "shall not be infringed", just like in some states you have to pay a tax to buy a shorter barrel than people like, to own or use a safety device that suppresses the amount of noise the firearm produces, or having a firearm that doesn't require you to twitch your finger each and every single time you want to shoot a bullet. How stupid huh?

When a free thinker gets their head out-of-their-ass and starts to actually think about what's going on around them ... stop and smell then jack booted roses ... they become enlightened to the state of the oppression of the federal government in "the land of the free". They clutch and hold tightly in their hands what few  freedoms that government hasn't taxed, regulated, controlled, or completely outlawed. Others with greed and envy wish that they had that one or two freedoms like they have over there. No. F' no. How about releasing the governments boots from our necks for awhile and seeing just what the F happens?

With great freedom comes great responsibility ... with great government control comes citizens without any common sense or cares. Bigger government means smaller citizens.

"Give me Liberty or give me Death" was one of the Founding Father's battle cries ... not any longer. "Give me free homes, food, education, phones, healthcare; and keep me from dangerous drugs, guns, and other things" is the cry of the socialist now.
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The Goldilocks syndrome is plain to see hear. Only the drugs I use but not the ones you use are the ones that the federal government, with absolutely no power to do so legally, should regulate to the point of destroying your life over.

I live in a town full of Mormons (great people BTY) who are not supposed to/do not drink coffee or caffeinated drinks, alcohol, or smoke. Compared to towns just ten miles away there are few coffee and cigarette shops and no bars. That's super as the marketplace is doing that, not the government. The Mormon church doesn't like caffeine, alcohol, or tobacco but hasn't used the boot of the government on my neck saying I can't enjoy a Coke. Like liberals who don't like black pistol gripped guns with detachable magazines actually passed laws forbidding them in clear, hit-me-over-the-head violation of "shall not be infringed", just like in some states you have to pay a tax to buy a shorter barrel than people like, to own or use a safety device that suppresses the amount of noise the firearm produces, or having a firearm that doesn't require you to twitch your finger each and every single time you want to shoot a bullet. How stupid huh?

When a free thinker gets their head out-of-their-ass and starts to actually think about what's going on around them ... stop and smell then jack booted roses ... they become enlightened to the state of the oppression of the federal government in "the land of the free". They clutch and hold tightly in their hands what few  freedoms that government hasn't taxed, regulated, controlled, or completely outlawed. Others with greed and envy wish that they had that one or two freedoms like they have over there. No. F' no. How about releasing the governments boots from our necks for awhile and seeing just what the F happens?

With great freedom comes great responsibility ... with great government control comes citizens without any common sense or cares. Bigger government means smaller citizens.

"Give me Liberty or give me Death" was one of the Founding Father's battle cries ... not any longer. "Give me free homes, food, education, phones, healthcare; and keep me from dangerous drugs, guns, and other things" is the cry of the socialist now.
Very well Stated
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The problem is the stuff overrides the natural motivation/reward system and people get addicted to it. Its not about accepting responsibility for their actions, the drug overrides all that. Its like a virus, once it gets inside you, its processes are underway and beyond your control. Autoreceptors downregulate the number or receptors and their effect, so not only does it take more to get high, but the normal everyday things people do to enjoy themselves have less pleasure. Its not just that, its everything has less pleasure because the system is downregulated due to exogenous intake

Its one issue. Yet the pro druggies live and die by it, doubling down on rhetoric saying one doesn't believe in freedom if they're against their one issue.
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Simple, it's the current boogeyman in a long, long list.  In general terms, people can't or won't accept responsibility for their own actions or the actions of their loved ones* and feel the need to blame someone else.  They complain about how something needs to be done and so your politicians pick it up as an issue to get them public attention, ergo votes.  Do you really think most congressmen genuinely care if people are overdosing?

You're really a ray of sunshine and a bastion of freedom.  

* There is actually more at work here than a simple weakness but you refused to accept that in another thread so why bother addressing it here.
The problem is the stuff overrides the natural motivation/reward system and people get addicted to it. Its not about accepting responsibility for their actions, the drug overrides all that. Its like a virus, once it gets inside you, its processes are underway and beyond your control. Autoreceptors downregulate the number or receptors and their effect, so not only does it take more to get high, but the normal everyday things people do to enjoy themselves have less pleasure. Its not just that, its everything has less pleasure because the system is downregulated due to exogenous intake

Its one issue. Yet the pro druggies live and die by it, doubling down on rhetoric saying one doesn't believe in freedom if they're against their one issue.
Same with sugar and porn.  You are railing for making those illegal also...right?
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44 deaths due to kratom

Lets not mention how many deaths due to: over the counter meds, energy drinks, Tide Pods, etc..

This whole world is fucking stupid.
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just bought a quarter kilo last week, I knew i should of bought a full kilo.
order processing delay due to fda statement.

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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Nailed it.   And CS Lewis was a devout Christian.
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The Goldilocks syndrome is plain to see hear. Only the drugs I use but not the ones you use are the ones that the federal government, with absolutely no power to do so legally, should regulate to the point of destroying your life over.

I live in a town full of Mormons (great people BTY) who are not supposed to/do not drink coffee or caffeinated drinks, alcohol, or smoke. Compared to towns just ten miles away there are few coffee and cigarette shops and no bars. That's super as the marketplace is doing that, not the government. The Mormon church doesn't like caffeine, alcohol, or tobacco but hasn't used the boot of the government on my neck saying I can't enjoy a Coke. Like liberals who don't like black pistol gripped guns with detachable magazines actually passed laws forbidding them in clear, hit-me-over-the-head violation of "shall not be infringed", just like in some states you have to pay a tax to buy a shorter barrel than people like, to own or use a safety device that suppresses the amount of noise the firearm produces, or having a firearm that doesn't require you to twitch your finger each and every single time you want to shoot a bullet. How stupid huh?

When a free thinker gets their head out-of-their-ass and starts to actually think about what's going on around them ... stop and smell then jack booted roses ... they become enlightened to the state of the oppression of the federal government in "the land of the free". They clutch and hold tightly in their hands what few  freedoms that government hasn't taxed, regulated, controlled, or completely outlawed. Others with greed and envy wish that they had that one or two freedoms like they have over there. No. F' no. How about releasing the governments boots from our necks for awhile and seeing just what the F happens?

With great freedom comes great responsibility ... with great government control comes citizens without any common sense or cares. Bigger government means smaller citizens.

"Give me Liberty or give me Death" was one of the Founding Father's battle cries ... not any longer. "Give me free homes, food, education, phones, healthcare; and keep me from dangerous drugs, guns, and other things" is the cry of the socialist now.
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The Goldilocks syndrome is plain to see hear. Only the drugs I use but not the ones you use are the ones that the federal government, with absolutely no power to do so legally, should regulate to the point of destroying your life over.

I live in a town full of Mormons (great people BTY) who are not supposed to/do not drink coffee or caffeinated drinks, alcohol, or smoke. Compared to towns just ten miles away there are few coffee and cigarette shops and no bars. That's super as the marketplace is doing that, not the government. The Mormon church doesn't like caffeine, alcohol, or tobacco but hasn't used the boot of the government on my neck saying I can't enjoy a Coke. Like liberals who don't like black pistol gripped guns with detachable magazines actually passed laws forbidding them in clear, hit-me-over-the-head violation of "shall not be infringed", just like in some states you have to pay a tax to buy a shorter barrel than people like, to own or use a safety device that suppresses the amount of noise the firearm produces, or having a firearm that doesn't require you to twitch your finger each and every single time you want to shoot a bullet. How stupid huh?

When a free thinker gets their head out-of-their-ass and starts to actually think about what's going on around them ... stop and smell then jack booted roses ... they become enlightened to the state of the oppression of the federal government in "the land of the free". They clutch and hold tightly in their hands what few  freedoms that government hasn't taxed, regulated, controlled, or completely outlawed. Others with greed and envy wish that they had that one or two freedoms like they have over there. No. F' no. How about releasing the governments boots from our necks for awhile and seeing just what the F happens?

With great freedom comes great responsibility ... with great government control comes citizens without any common sense or cares. Bigger government means smaller citizens.

"Give me Liberty or give me Death" was one of the Founding Father's battle cries ... not any longer. "Give me free homes, food, education, phones, healthcare; and keep me from dangerous drugs, guns, and other things" is the cry of the socialist now.
This needs quoted again.
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Do you honestly want your children to be doing kratom?
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Not sure if sarcastic, or serious.
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Pretty sure it was sarcasm.  I tried to come up with a response and concluded it couldn't have been real.
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The problem is the stuff overrides the natural motivation/reward system and people get addicted to it. Its not about accepting responsibility for their actions, the drug overrides all that. Its like a virus, once it gets inside you, its processes are underway and beyond your control. Autoreceptors downregulate the number or receptors and their effect, so not only does it take more to get high, but the normal everyday things people do to enjoy themselves have less pleasure. Its not just that, its everything has less pleasure because the system is downregulated due to exogenous intake

Its one issue. Yet the pro druggies live and die by it, doubling down on rhetoric saying one doesn't believe in freedom if they're against their one issue.
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And those who know what's best for us....must rise and save us from ourselves...

Freedom is inherently dangerous and may have things in it that you may not like or might be harmful(Tobbaco/booze/Krantom/etc). I am no fan of drug addiction, however, those who want to do drugs will do them, no matter what laws you push on people. In high school, it was easier to get weed than booze or cigs...how did those laws work out?

You cannot legislate the choices people make. Social engineering does not work, hands down.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 7:31:57 PM EST
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44 deaths due to kratom

Lets not mention how many deaths due to: over the counter meds, energy drinks, Tide Pods, etc..

This whole world is fucking stupid.
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I'm pretty sure your statement is incorrect.  I read it that 44 people who died had Kratom in their system.  I understood that none of them died as a direct result of taking Kratom and there were usually several other drugs involved besides Kratom.  Some were suicides.

Which makes your last statement even more correct.
Link Posted: 2/13/2018 9:46:53 PM EST
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Nancy Knoebel’s 27-year-old son began using kratom after he stopped taking medication to treat his heroin addiction. He was having withdrawal symptoms, so he turned to the herbal remedy. Within a few months, Knoebel’s son was dead from what a medical examiner determined were the “toxic effects” of kratom.

“If kratom hadn’t killed him, he’d be alive and sober,” Knoebel said. “It was like someone ran a red light and killed him.”
Reading the article, she's obviously not able to come to terms with his death and is looking to lay blame.  Decent enough article though, it does seem to present points on both sides even if it leans more heavily on the emotional side of "oh my God, save the children".
Link Posted: 2/13/2018 10:21:56 PM EST
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^ I think the drug companies want control of this and they are using the govt to make it happen. It could be worth a lot of money. Nothing more complicate than that.
Link Posted: 2/13/2018 10:38:57 PM EST
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And just like that, a new product is available on the black market with all of the problems that causes.
Link Posted: 2/14/2018 12:00:51 AM EST
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And those who know what's best for us....must rise and save us from ourselves...

Freedom is inherently dangerous and may have things in it that you may not like or might be harmful(Tobbaco/booze/Krantom/etc). I am no fan of drug addiction, however, those who want to do drugs will do them, no matter what laws you push on people. In high school, it was easier to get weed than booze or cigs...how did those laws work out?

You cannot legislate the choices people make. Social engineering does not work, hands down.
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The problem is the stuff overrides the natural motivation/reward system and people get addicted to it. Its not about accepting responsibility for their actions, the drug overrides all that. Its like a virus, once it gets inside you, its processes are underway and beyond your control. Autoreceptors downregulate the number or receptors and their effect, so not only does it take more to get high, but the normal everyday things people do to enjoy themselves have less pleasure. Its not just that, its everything has less pleasure because the system is downregulated due to exogenous intake

Its one issue. Yet the pro druggies live and die by it, doubling down on rhetoric saying one doesn't believe in freedom if they're against their one issue.
And those who know what's best for us....must rise and save us from ourselves...

Freedom is inherently dangerous and may have things in it that you may not like or might be harmful(Tobbaco/booze/Krantom/etc). I am no fan of drug addiction, however, those who want to do drugs will do them, no matter what laws you push on people. In high school, it was easier to get weed than booze or cigs...how did those laws work out?

You cannot legislate the choices people make. Social engineering does not work, hands down.
^ It never fails, they come on a gun board and make the same arguements liberals use to justify banning guns and destroying society. And they are incapable of seeing the irony. The WOD is as big gov, swamp creature as it gets.  Despite having a nice republican face to it. Its unfortunate for the conservatives who really want to save society from the ills of addiction, that it just cant work the way they want it to. It just creates a bigger problem than it purports to solve.
Link Posted: 2/14/2018 12:02:07 AM EST
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Why are there so many liberty haters in here???? Blows my mind

"Hurr durr...good fuck that shit!!!! Ban it!!!!"

For those that are cheering on Kratom being banned....why?
Link Posted: 2/14/2018 12:24:09 AM EST
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Oh, so it might help some people and cut into big Pharma's revenue?

Quick, regulate it!
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Fixed it. After being prescribed narcotics for Chronic pain for 18+ years, I found kratom and used it as a safer, natural alternative that allowed me to live a mostly normal life without being addicted to drugs or required to see a physician monthly in order to function. Compared to prescription medications the side effects of kratom are minimal and it's all natural.

They say we're in an opioid epidemic and then they take away the last safe, natural alternative to narcotics that we have left for serious pain by classifying it as an opioid. Our Grandparents grew up with opium in a bottle in their bathroom but we can't be trusted with a much milder, unrefined pain killer. They began clinical trials on synthetic versions of this a few years back. I guess they are getting ready to market it.

Land of the free huh?
Link Posted: 2/14/2018 12:27:47 AM EST
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Makes me fucking pissed.

Add anger to pain that will never end...let some nancyboys wave their finger in your face, tell you what a bad person you are for using Kratom.

I hope they suffer the same thing, one day. Wouldn't wish this pain on anybody but those who wish it on me. Or wish that I was addicted to pharmaceutical-grade narcotics, instead.

What kind of cuckold that likes to watch his wife get railed by third world immigrants wishes his fellow patriot to have less freedom, less ability to function for his family, less pain?

Try waking up in tears and agony at 3 in the morning, sobbing so loud that it also wakes up your toddler kid sleeping next to you. Try explaining that to him.

Or try feeling yourself go over the edge of pharmaceutical addiction- knowing that you have to choose between pain and the kind of addiction that snowballs in to heroin use, no in-between.

Now imagine finding the cure to pain and pharmaceutical addiction, in a harmless fucking tree leaf. Now try to imagine someone taking it away from you because they "know better."

Try to fathom those same persons calling themselves "American."

They aren't. Kratom is fucking tea. Steal it from the American people, tax it to death...wait, you've heard that story before- right?
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PA Botanicals.  We've been getting it from there for years.
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Anyone know where to get some of this kratom?
Asking for a friend...
PA Botanicals.  We've been getting it from there for years.
That's where I got mine from.
Link Posted: 2/14/2018 5:51:41 AM EST
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Ban PLANTS!!

For the children.
Link Posted: 2/14/2018 11:13:46 AM EST
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"Hurr durr...good fuck that shit!!!! Ban it!!!!"

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I was indifferent toward kratom until I met some of its users.
Link Posted: 2/14/2018 11:15:41 AM EST
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Is this where Sessions has been?
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Are you saying  they are mostly pieces of shit? Because I'm sure there are pieces of shit who use kratom to get high, especially considering where it is frequently sold. Those pieces of shit probably also use caffeine, nicotine, and alcohol.
I'll bet the kind of kratom users who take it for pain are just average working people, they would never bring it up. You would never know.
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