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Posted: 11/11/2019 7:24:01 PM EST

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I saw American Graffiti for the first time a few weeks ago - it was good. I saw Star Wars in 1977. So there's that.

Empire Strikes Back was Irvin Kershner. Why didn't Lucas helm that?
Return of the Jedi = Ewoks = Lucas.

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I think Lucas realized he had too much on his plate to direct ESB. He asked Kershner, who had been his teacher, to direct. Kershner didn’t feel up to it, but did a great job as it turned out.

Posted: 11/11/2019 7:30:04 PM EST

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I think Lucas realized he had too much on his plate to direct ESB. He asked Kershner, who had been his teacher, to direct. Kershner didn’t feel up to it, but did a great job as it turned out.

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He had a nervous breakdown from directing Star Wars - it nearly killed him - so he didn't direct the next two. Why he decided to direct the Prequels, I don't know. Hubris?

Posted: 11/11/2019 7:30:52 PM EST

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Absolutely this.

JJ Abrams has the chance to revitalize both Star Trek AND Star Wars, but turned both into utterly mediocre comic book crap.

How he isn’t considered the ultimate evil in the Nerd Universe is beyond me.

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The only good entry in the new Star Wars universe is Rogue One. Every other movie has been abject and utter garbage. They should stop milking this dead cow and move on already.

Absolutely this.

JJ Abrams has the chance to revitalize both Star Trek AND Star Wars, but turned both into utterly mediocre comic book crap.

How he isn’t considered the ultimate evil in the Nerd Universe is beyond me.

Agree on that they turned a good thing into mediocrity.

No on that the cow is dead.

I will watch the Mandalorian. If it shits the bed, then I will honestly be able to say I gave Disney a fair shake.

Posted: 11/11/2019 7:32:14 PM EST

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He will almost certainly make it worse.

Posted: 11/11/2019 7:35:26 PM EST

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LOL @ the whole think.

All these leaks are just live testing the prospective plots, to see which one will lose them the least money.

I liked Solo, and Rogue Squad wasn't bad, maybe even borderline good. The Mandalorian might even be good.

But the main story arc is total trash, they tried redoing to originals with a few minor plot changes and more SJW BS and just utterly tossed the whole thing in the trash.

Good.

Maybe Hollyweird will try picking up a book next time.

It's not like there isn't over a 100 years worth of good, modern novels to chose from. They deserve what they get.

Remake this, remake that, remake it with a wiffle ball bat.

They could randomly pick any John Ringo, Larry Correia, Tam Kratman, etc, etc, book and make billions, but no...

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Undying Mercenaries, Expeditionary Force, Destinies Crucible, Omega Force...

If we are tossing out ideas, and all...

Posted: 11/11/2019 7:57:56 PM EST

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I want that done to John McClane in the first Die Hard!

Posted: 11/11/2019 8:07:58 PM EST

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The only good entry in the new Star Wars universe is Rogue One. Every other movie has been abject and utter garbage. They should stop milking this dead cow and move on already.

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Solo was good, I guess that was technically a flashback

Posted: 11/11/2019 8:12:51 PM EST

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What needs to happen...Star Wars characters from pre-Disney fuckary warp to meet and fight the faggoty SJW Star Wars characters. Start timeline again after every shitty character is dead. I picture Ren getting assfucked by a lightsaber from Luke and the chic getting her head ripped off by pre-vegetarian Chewbacca who then drinks out of her skull.

Posted: 11/11/2019 8:19:25 PM EST

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Rise of Skywalker Test Screening - Sources Confirm Sources Are Wrong (According To Sources)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYtUJ8B9Fo0

Posted: 11/11/2019 8:19:58 PM EST

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They need to start fresh and make a series of movies from the old republic era

Like a KOTOR movie

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One movie? Try a whole new trilogy!

The Mandalorian wars are ripe for a proper, full-length action movie following Revan, Malak, and Meetra, ending with the destruction of Malachor V. You could practically make this a Michael Bay movie.

A second would follow the amnesiac Revan through KOTOR 1, through the "Jedi Civil War," as it is later referred to.

Finally, the Chris Avellone masterpiece, KOTOR 2, following Meetra's return from the outer rim, and subsequent adventure.

Posted: 11/11/2019 9:06:24 PM EST

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"This makes Attack of the Clones look like Citizen Kane."

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I like this line from the comments:

"Oh, I'm afraid the boycott will be quite operational when the film arrives."

Posted: 11/11/2019 10:21:39 PM EST

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Want to see Rey on the toilet for two hours?

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Posted: 11/11/2019 10:27:33 PM EST

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Force awakens killed star wars, my kids used to be huge fans but could now care less

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This.

Posted: 11/11/2019 10:33:10 PM EST

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I’ve said this before but I went and recently rewatched Clones and the other two. I thought they were better than I remember they were when I first watched. But then I think they only seems that way because the new stuff was such flaming garbage.

Posted: 11/11/2019 10:35:38 PM EST

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I’ve said this before but I went and recently rewatched Clones and the other two. I thought they were better than I remember they were when I first watched. But then I think they only seems that way because the new stuff was such flaming garbage.

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I think they're a whole lot better than people give them credit for. Attack of the Clones is my favorite of the series.

Posted: 11/11/2019 10:39:22 PM EST

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TFA was not a bad film to build a base off of. How it got this sideways since boggles the mind. How do you buy a multi-billion franchise and start making movies with NO PLAN.

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Corporate America has a short attention span when it comes to realizing a return on investment. I see it all the time with big companies buying small companies (think IBM) only to crater the acquisition within a few years because “we had to get something to market...”

Posted: 11/11/2019 10:40:54 PM EST

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Rogue One and Solo proves good movies can be made when you leave the SJW bullshit behind and focus on good stories.

Posted: 11/11/2019 10:42:16 PM EST

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I've heard six versions...

Posted: 11/11/2019 10:42:52 PM EST

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Rogue One and Solo proves good movies can be made when you leave the SJW bullshit behind and focus on good stories.

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Haven't seen Solo. I don't ever plan on watching it. But before TLJ I did see Rogue One. That is the best Star Wars movie that Disney has made.

Posted: 11/11/2019 10:51:23 PM EST

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Rogue One was only good because of the space battle at the end and the Vader rampage.

Up until that point I had no idea what I was watching until I saw X-Wings and Y-Wings taking off from Yavin 4 and the Rebel fleet dropping from hyperspace. Those were really well done and hit a key nostalgia trigger for 1970s/1980s fans. However, without it, Rogue One was booooooooooooooooooooooooooooring trash.

Posted: 11/11/2019 10:53:56 PM EST

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Rogue One was only good because of the space battle at the end and the Vader rampage.

Up until that point I had no idea what I was watching until I saw X-Wings and Y-Wings taking off from Yavin 4 and the Rebel fleet dropping from hyperspace. Those were really well done and hit a key nostalgia trigger for 1970s/1980s fans. However, without it, Rogue One was booooooooooooooooooooooooooooring trash.

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I agree it was a slow starter. After the first Death Star blast I thought it was all goodness.

Posted: 11/11/2019 10:54:39 PM EST

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Haven't seen Solo. I don't ever plan on watching it. But before TLJ I did see Rogue One. That is the best Star Wars movie that Disney has made.

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Over to you but I think Solo is worth a look.

Posted: 11/11/2019 10:57:53 PM EST

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If it’s that bad drop it, refilm and run it next Christmas.

Posted: 11/11/2019 10:59:33 PM EST

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As many others have already said, they’ve already destroyed the fucking franchise. The last two have been such shit, I’ve decided to sit this one out.

Not only is the SJW shit thrown in my face, but the movies just don’t make any sense. Rey being a woman has nothing to do with not liking it. But the fact that she kicks the shit out of everyone she comes in contact with. So much for a lifetime of trading to become a Jedi.

Posted: 11/11/2019 11:13:22 PM EST

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Want to see Rey on the toilet for two hours? That's a cut of the movie.

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Posted: 11/11/2019 11:18:39 PM EST

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As many others have already said, they’ve already destroyed the fucking franchise. The last two have been such shit, I’ve decided to sit this one out.

Not only is the SJW shit thrown in my face, but the movies just don’t make any sense. Rey being a woman has nothing to do with not liking it. But the fact that she kicks the shit out of everyone she comes in contact with. So much for a lifetime of trading to become a Jedi.

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Exactly.

The sexism card is bullshit anyway but even more so in Star Wars because nobody batted an eye at Carrie Fisher. Her character was a natural fit in a great story vs the giraffe neck admiral and fat Asian girl - obvious add one for diversity.

Posted: 11/11/2019 11:21:59 PM EST

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Absolutely this.

JJ Abrams has the chance to revitalize both Star Trek AND Star Wars, but turned both into utterly mediocre comic book crap.

How he isn’t considered the ultimate evil in the Nerd Universe is beyond me.

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The only good entry in the new Star Wars universe is Rogue One. Every other movie has been abject and utter garbage. They should stop milking this dead cow and move on already.

Absolutely this.

JJ Abrams has the chance to revitalize both Star Trek AND Star Wars, but turned both into utterly mediocre comic book crap.

How he isn’t considered the ultimate evil in the Nerd Universe is beyond me.

You know the adage, “One doesn’t have to outrun the bear, one only needs to outrun the slowest person in the group?” JJ outran Rian Johnson.

Rian dropped the hottest, slimiest turn on the chest of Star Wars with TLJ. He wrote and directed a movie better described as “Star Wats.”

People promptly forgot about JJ’s lack of talent, until these rumors started swirling.

ETA: It says something that Iger is likely pissed. Rumors have it he hasn’t been happy with LucasFilm’s handling of Star Wars to date. Many billions were left uncollected due to shit storytelling.

Posted: 11/11/2019 11:24:10 PM EST

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Hollywood is dead. The Marvel movies were the last breath of a dying beast. Now, even they are dead. It died suddenly, but predictably. It is a culture filled with idiots.

The old entertainment geniuses are dead, dying, or retired. Now, half-assed idiots who think they need to make a statement, are churning out cringe-worthy idiocy, hoping that the brain dead consumers will mercy-watch their moronic, rehashed, hackneyed tripe. The truth is, they probably will, but deep down, even the most delusional among them know that they can't possibly hold a candle to those who came before them.

They take drugs, surround themselves with vapid sycophants, and appear on ridiculous tv shows that market their wealth and fame, as if that is a substitute for actual talent.

Those of us who lived through the glory days of film and television know that much of what is being shat upon the big and little screen is laughably bad.

Posted: 11/11/2019 11:28:31 PM EST

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Over to you but I think Solo is worth a look.

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Haven't seen Solo. I don't ever plan on watching it. But before TLJ I did see Rogue One. That is the best Star Wars movie that Disney has made.

Over to you but I think Solo is worth a look.

Yeah, Solo wasn't horrible and I wanted to see it because Han was the most interesting character from the originals, so I felt like it was something I should at least attempt to watch. The SJW was kept to a tolerable minimum. The actor did a pretty fair job. It was unfairly maligned because people were SO pissed at the previous film that they wanted to take it out on Disney, regardless of whatever merits Solo may have had.

Posted: 11/11/2019 11:31:22 PM EST

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Those of us who lived through the glory days of film and television know that much of what is being shat upon the big and little screen is laughably bad.

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true, though there is some damn good indie stuff on youtube.

Posted: 11/11/2019 11:33:57 PM EST

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As long as Skywalker rises and women are in power...

Posted: 11/11/2019 11:34:00 PM EST

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Indie (or at least small studios) is where it's at for music, video games and now movies.

How things change

Posted: 11/11/2019 11:38:51 PM EST

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Hollywood is dead. The Marvel movies were the last breath of a dying beast. Now, even they are dead. It died suddenly, but predictably. It is a culture filled with idiots.

The old entertainment geniuses are dead, dying, or retired. Now, half-assed idiots who think they need to make a statement, are churning out cringe-worthy idiocy, hoping that the brain dead consumers will mercy-watch their moronic, rehashed, hackneyed tripe. The truth is, they probably will, but deep down, even the most delusional among them know that they can't possibly hold a candle to those who came before them.

They take drugs, surround themselves with vapid sycophants, and appear on ridiculous tv shows that market their wealth and fame, as if that is a substitute for actual talent.

Those of us who lived through the glory days of film and television know that much of what is being shat upon the big and little screen is laughably bad.

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Now THIS is boomer posting.

People have been saying this type of shit for generations.

Posted: 11/11/2019 11:39:14 PM EST

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I thought they did a decent job with "Solo."

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Yes

I almost didn't watch it after the complete abomination that was VIII.

But it was free on the plane.

Solo I liked more than Rogue One, which was good.

Posted: 11/11/2019 11:43:10 PM EST

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Hollywood is dead. The Marvel movies were the last breath of a dying beast. Now, even they are dead. It died suddenly, but predictably. It is a culture filled with idiots.

The old entertainment geniuses are dead, dying, or retired. Now, half-assed idiots who think they need to make a statement, are churning out cringe-worthy idiocy, hoping that the brain dead consumers will mercy-watch their moronic, rehashed, hackneyed tripe. The truth is, they probably will, but deep down, even the most delusional among them know that they can't possibly hold a candle to those who came before them.

They take drugs, surround themselves with vapid sycophants, and appear on ridiculous tv shows that market their wealth and fame, as if that is a substitute for actual talent.

Those of us who lived through the glory days of film and television know that much of what is being shat upon the big and little screen is laughably bad.

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Hollywood has always been a sink of degeneracy, but at least the filmmakers of yesteryear had a fair amount of talent to build on.

Now we have worthless cucks like Rian Johnson who are being hired primarily because they are tractable, controllable, and totally subject to the narrative. They are being handed franchises which are too valuable to fail, given their corporate marching orders, and told to play it safe because the aging creative geniuses crapped out a winning formula 30 years ago and we can't stray too far from that recipe. Let the chained monkeys turn the crank and make some sausage.

The result is a predictably unsatisfying chain of turds, gold-plated with CGI and huge budgets. They invariably fail because the writers and directors have no feel for real characters in relatable situations displaying relatable emotions. When there are motivations, they are always thin and hackneyed cliches hastily spray-painted with nostalgia. When there are achievements, they are built on "because I said so" rather than any sacrifice, failures, or pain. No victory is meaningful or ever in question.

Each reboot or rehash is seemingly an even more pitiful, derivative, degenerate cliche of something that worked once, five iterations and two or three decades ago, and their deeply unsatisfying efforts spawn further, even weaker attempts a few years down the line.

Occasionally a Chris Nolan is brought in and sets a high water mark heretofore undreamt-of, but that's rare enough.

Posted: 11/11/2019 11:47:49 PM EST

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Consider how Disney threw 30+ years of Expand Universe lore in the trash can and replaced it with shit from a sewer, if I were Lucas I would tell them to fuck off. The check has already been cashed after all.

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Be realistic... there was good shit there, but there was epic tons of bullshit. It was a shitshow.

Posted: 11/12/2019 12:32:42 AM EST

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Be realistic... there was good shit there, but there was epic tons of bullshit. It was a shitshow.

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Consider how Disney threw 30+ years of Expand Universe lore in the trash can and replaced it with shit from a sewer, if I were Lucas I would tell them to fuck off. The check has already been cashed after all.

Be realistic... there was good shit there, but there was epic tons of bullshit. It was a shitshow.

LucasArts kept a VERY tight rein on stories published in the EU, the various authors didn't have a lot of freedom in what they wrote, from what I've been told (reportedly from one of the most prominent EU writers, telling David Weber he made a good decision in TURNING DOWN an opportunity to write in the EU earlier in his writing career).

Posted: 11/12/2019 12:48:46 AM EST

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The only good entry in the new Star Wars universe is Rogue One. Every other movie has been abject and utter garbage. They should stop milking this dead cow and move on already.

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This, though I'm curious how they think they can unfuck it and turn out something they believe will at least break even at the box office.

Posted: 11/12/2019 1:02:02 AM EST

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Solo was good

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Posted: 11/12/2019 1:05:28 AM EST

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Haven't seen Solo. I don't ever plan on watching it. But before TLJ I did see Rogue One. That is the best Star Wars movie that Disney has made.

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Rogue One and Solo proves good movies can be made when you leave the SJW bullshit behind and focus on good stories.

Haven't seen Solo. I don't ever plan on watching it. But before TLJ I did see Rogue One. That is the best Star Wars movie that Disney has made.

I would give Solo a try. It wasn’t great or anything, but it was good.

Posted: 11/12/2019 1:07:42 AM EST

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Did he tell them to go fuck themselves?

Or hit them up for a few hundred million extra?

Posted: 11/12/2019 1:26:03 AM EST

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You want to solve this temporarily?

In the final credits of the upcoming movie, Harrison Ford as Solo wakes up in the shower with Carrie Fisher’s voice in the background, a la Dallas.

That troll of everyone ALMOST would make up for the last two - and expected third - pile of shit.

Posted: 11/12/2019 1:52:00 AM EST

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They just need to get the top 10 contributors from the Starwars subreddit to write one. It will blow the ass out of anything Hollywood could come up with.

Also apparently it needs more trannies and strong lesbians with purple hair. Audiences didn’t learn enough in the last one

Posted: 11/12/2019 2:26:48 AM EST

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Video of Lucas after the screening...

Posted: 11/12/2019 2:29:15 AM EST

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Thank god for Martin Scorsese, Nolan, and Tarantino. Phillips looks to be turning over a new leaf now also.

Posted: 11/12/2019 2:31:26 AM EST

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Hollywood has always been a sink of degeneracy, but at least the filmmakers of yesteryear had a fair amount of talent to build on.

Now we have worthless cucks like Rian Johnson who are being hired primarily because they are tractable, controllable, and totally subject to the narrative. They are being handed franchises which are too valuable to fail, given their corporate marching orders, and told to play it safe because the aging creative geniuses crapped out a winning formula 30 years ago and we can't stray too far from that recipe. Let the chained monkeys turn the crank and make some sausage.

The result is a predictably unsatisfying chain of turds, gold-plated with CGI and huge budgets. They invariably fail because the writers and directors have no feel for real characters in relatable situations displaying relatable emotions. When there are motivations, they are always thin and hackneyed cliches hastily spray-painted with nostalgia. When there are achievements, they are built on "because I said so" rather than any sacrifice, failures, or pain. No victory is meaningful or ever in question.

Each reboot or rehash is seemingly an even more pitiful, derivative, degenerate cliche of something that worked once, five iterations and two or three decades ago, and their deeply unsatisfying efforts spawn further, even weaker attempts a few years down the line.

Occasionally a Chris Nolan is brought in and sets a high water mark heretofore undreamt-of, but that's rare enough.

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There still are a few good ones out there. Todd Phillips - Joker director, he also directed The Hangover, Limitless and Old School. Alexander Payne - Election, About Schmidt, Sideways. Guillermo del Toro The Shape of Water, The Strain, Pacific Rim, Hellboy 1+2, Mimic. Denis Villeneuve - Sicario, Blade Runner 2049, Arrival and we'll see if Dune 2020 turns out good.

Posted: 11/12/2019 2:34:39 AM EST

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Maybe Luke Skywalker can team up with the female Terminator. That could work.

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Sure as fuck nobody gonna team up with the Wookie 007

Posted: 11/12/2019 2:37:29 AM EST

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I think the movie will be shit, but I doubt the rumors about 3 endings, Lucas coming in and saving it and this test audience are even remotely true.

The simple truth is they would not be able to release anything in December, if they were reworking the ending. The animators, actors and crew simply don't have enough hours in the day to do something like that.

But rest assured, it will suck ass. And if they somehow bring the Emperor back as stated in the OP, they really fucked it good.

Posted: 11/12/2019 2:39:00 AM EST

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Just watched the Mandalorian, it was ok. It has potential.

I pretend that 7-9 don't exist, I don't understand how they could kill Star Wars like they did. Rogue One was so much better than TFA and TLJ. Hopefully someone can right Kathleen Kennedys fuck up.