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Posted: 7/21/2022 2:59:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: BTW, is there any confirmation one way or another? The Police Chief's correction stated that the shooter was neutralized in 15 seconds based on the security camera timestamps, but that doesn't necessarily mean Eli engaged and fired all 10 shots within those 15 seconds of the AS beginning to shoot. Unless there's confirmation to the contrary, it's far more likely that 15 seconds is the time period from the AS's first shot to HIS last shot, not Eli's last shot. IIRC, it was mentioned that Eli first engaged the shooter from 40 yards, bracing himself against a column to fire his initial shot(s?), then continued firing as he approached the AS. I'm guessing 15 seconds was when Eli's initial hits stopped the Active part of the shooting (or dropped the AS, or made him drop the rifle?). They said it appeared his first shots made hits on the bg, and appear to have neutralized him, so 15 seconds from him starting shooting to the first returned fire. |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 3:00:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This confuses me. Where are his lungs? Weren't they blown out of the body? I figured exiting organs would leave a bigger pool of blood. https://iili.io/wrQ4iN.jpg this picture would make a grand Christmas card |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 3:03:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not surprising. Look at the amount of people here bewildered that someone can hit a target at 50yds with a handgun  Subdivison folks & their indoor ranges is the only explanation. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: BTW, is there any confirmation one way or another? The Police Chief's correction stated that the shooter was neutralized in 15 seconds based on the security camera timestamps, but that doesn't necessarily mean Eli engaged and fired all 10 shots within those 15 seconds of the AS beginning to shoot. Unless there's confirmation to the contrary, it's far more likely that 15 seconds is the time period from the AS's first shot to HIS last shot, not Eli's last shot. IIRC, it was mentioned that Eli first engaged the shooter from 40 yards, bracing himself against a column to fire his initial shot(s?), then continued firing as he approached the AS. I'm guessing 15 seconds was when Eli's initial hits stopped the Active part of the shooting (or dropped the AS, or made him drop the rifle?). Do you realize how slow 1.5 second splits are in an actual shooting? No way in hell he shot 1.5 second splits and hit the guy 8 times. Whole engagement was 15 seconds and he mag dumped this nerd into oblivion. I love how everyone on this forum is doubting Eli on just about everything that has come out, the distance and now even his split times lol. What’s next you’re going to doubt that he hit him with 8 rounds as that’s not fathomable because you can’t hit paper at 15 yards. Not surprising. Look at the amount of people here bewildered that someone can hit a target at 50yds with a handgun Subdivison folks & their indoor ranges is the only explanation. There was the Austin cop that took out an attempted shooter in downtown a few years ago at something like 100 yards, and he made a first shot hit/kill with a .40 cal. |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 3:05:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think a lot of folks are incorrectly making the assumption he fired 10 rounds from the column. He may in fact have only fired 3 striking the target only one time before he closed the distance and fully neutralized the threat. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: BTW, is there any confirmation one way or another? The Police Chief's correction stated that the shooter was neutralized in 15 seconds based on the security camera timestamps, but that doesn't necessarily mean Eli engaged and fired all 10 shots within those 15 seconds of the AS beginning to shoot. Unless there's confirmation to the contrary, it's far more likely that 15 seconds is the time period from the AS's first shot to HIS last shot, not Eli's last shot. IIRC, it was mentioned that Eli first engaged the shooter from 40 yards, bracing himself against a column to fire his initial shot(s?), then continued firing as he approached the AS. I'm guessing 15 seconds was when Eli's initial hits stopped the Active part of the shooting (or dropped the AS, or made him drop the rifle?). I think a lot of folks are incorrectly making the assumption he fired 10 rounds from the column. He may in fact have only fired 3 striking the target only one time before he closed the distance and fully neutralized the threat. One of the articles mentioned that the AS attempted to retreat back to the restroom after Eli engaged him (before expiring right outside the restroom), and other articles (and a police statement) mention Eli advancing on the AS while directing people behind him to run for cover). The photo is blurry as crap, but there look to be at least 17-18 casings around the corpse. No idea where the AS was standing when he first began shooting, or where the AS was standing when Eli first engaged him. Folks who are familiar with the mall, said that they think Eli was probably using a column offscreen on the right side of the pic that shows the food court and restrooms at the far end (which would be about the 40 yards reported). |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 3:05:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have all the Glock 9mm's  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just shoot 40 yards with what you have.... I have all the Glock 9mm's You'll do fine with the Eli drill. |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 3:06:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There was the Austin cop that took out an attempted shooter in downtown a few years ago at something like 100 yards, and he made a first shot hit/kill with a .40 cal. Forgot about that. If I remember correctly, the guy was walking down the street randomly firing an AK at store fronts. I think it was like 130 yards or so. |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 3:09:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He is a young guy that hasn’t been embittered by life yet. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Something I haven't seen much about directly is that given the distance Eli and his girlfriend could have easily simply fled. Eli engaged. Many times I've seen people say they would simply flee rather than take any shot at all. Eli is a marvel in more ways than his shooting skills. He is a young guy that hasn’t been embittered by life yet. So what you are saying is that the system hasn't beaten him up yet? |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 3:11:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or exposed to based GD. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He is a young guy that hasn’t been embittered by life yet. Or exposed to based GD.  FIFY |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 3:16:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Got this in an email from a friend from his friend. Take it for what you will. Quote HistoryQuoted: Got this in an email from a friend from his friend. Take it for what you will. Got some info from a Simon Properties guy who has watched the Greenwood mall active shooter attack video footage. He doesn't think about the details like we do, but I confirmed a few things thru him. The distance at which Eli Dickens fired was 43 yards, according to the computerized AI video system there in the mall. The system is accurate to within ten feet. Eli was up out of his chair within seconds and engaged with the shooter. Eli fired from around the side of a flat-topped, squared-sided trash bin next to a floor-to-ceiling column or pillar there inside the building. He was shooting from what we'd refer to as a "strong-side barricade" position. Using the side of the bin to stabilize his grip and weapon. The guy told me it looked more like he was crouched there as opposed to kneeling. It appears Eli made a kill shot with the first round he fired based on the suspect's reaction. His second round was a hit also. The active shooter simply wilted after being shot and showed no interest in doing anything other than getting back into the men's restroom door. The active shooter never fired at Eli, never even swung his gun toward him. It appears that he wasn't expecting anyone else to have a gun. After the active shooter collapsed, he kept moving, and Eli continued to fire until the target's movements halted. Eli hit with 8 of the 10 shots he fired. It was a blessing that the active shooter collapsed so quickly. It's always easier to hit a stationary target. There appear to have been bystanders running between Eli and the active shooter as Eli was firing. The bystanders were running for the nearby exit door. Eli was so focused on stopping the threat that he came close to hitting some of the fleeing bystanders, but luck was with him. I don't understand people running toward or past people who are armed and shooting at someone. But people do strange things when they're under stress. This part is in no way confirmed, but another security guy at the Greenwood mall said the empty casings from Eli's pistol were marked with Federal Cartridge headstamps. I find it interesting that the active shooter was psychologically out of the fight pretty much immediately upon being shot. That's largely been the case with active shooter incidents since we've been keeping stats on them in the 1990's. Except, of course, for the ones involving militarized terrorists, like the Inland Empire (California) attack in 2012. I'm thinking of the active shooters involving suspects who are video-gaming incel civilians like the recent ones in Highland Park and Buffalo. Here's a hand-drawn diagram of the shooting from the guy at Simon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/257939/1658342400944blob_jpg-2460807.JPG Interesting. Thanks! I wonder if we'll EVER get any kind of confirmation of these details, one way or another, but they definitely sound plausible. As for panicked folks in the line of fire; panicked folks aren't thinking. Once the flight instinct has taken over, all they think of is "RUN!". It's also why there are usually quite a few collateral injuries from when people panic and run in any kind of incident. |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 3:18:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There was the Austin cop that took out an attempted shooter in downtown a few years ago at something like 100 yards, and he made a first shot hit/kill with a .40 cal. You left out the best part, officer was horseback, and he took the shot mounted. |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 3:20:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They said it appeared his first shots made hits on the bg, and appear to have neutralized him, so 15 seconds from him starting shooting to the first returned fire. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: BTW, is there any confirmation one way or another? The Police Chief's correction stated that the shooter was neutralized in 15 seconds based on the security camera timestamps, but that doesn't necessarily mean Eli engaged and fired all 10 shots within those 15 seconds of the AS beginning to shoot. Unless there's confirmation to the contrary, it's far more likely that 15 seconds is the time period from the AS's first shot to HIS last shot, not Eli's last shot. IIRC, it was mentioned that Eli first engaged the shooter from 40 yards, bracing himself against a column to fire his initial shot(s?), then continued firing as he approached the AS. I'm guessing 15 seconds was when Eli's initial hits stopped the Active part of the shooting (or dropped the AS, or made him drop the rifle?). They said it appeared his first shots made hits on the bg, and appear to have neutralized him, so 15 seconds from him starting shooting to the first returned fire. Thanks. That was what I was wondering, but all the reports are SO vaguely/ambiguously worded. It just seems like journalists nowadays are REALLY shitty at their jobs (look at the abundance of poorly written/edited articles linked on GD all the time, where folks go, "I read that 3 times and I'm STILL not sure what the article is trying to say"). |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 3:35:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You left out the best part, officer was horseback, and he took the shot mounted. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There was the Austin cop that took out an attempted shooter in downtown a few years ago at something like 100 yards, and he made a first shot hit/kill with a .40 cal. You left out the best part, officer was horseback, and he took the shot mounted. I recall the officer was holding the rains and shot offhand from a standing position, but I’m OAF, so I could be wrong. |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 5:04:27 PM EDT
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Contest from a local range, Dicken challenge: 8/10 in an IPSC target in 15 seconds from 35 yards (longest distance at the range)
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Posted: 7/21/2022 5:06:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It would.. but I'd anticipate them doubling down. At best, they'll just leave the policy in place as is, knowing it really does absolutely nothing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wouldn't it be nice if they changed their stance on firearms in their establishment. It would.. but I'd anticipate them doubling down. At best, they'll just leave the policy in place as is, knowing it really does absolutely nothing. |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 5:07:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: May already have been mentioned but does that sign at his feet say DEAD? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This confuses me. Where are his lungs? Weren't they blown out of the body? I figured exiting organs would leave a bigger pool of blood. https://iili.io/wrQ4iN.jpg May already have been mentioned but does that sign at his feet say DEAD? It does. |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 5:10:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Contest from a local range, Dicken challenge: 8/10 in an IPSC target in 15 seconds from 35 yards (longest distance at the range) https://ecp.yusercontent.com/mail?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmcusercontent.com%2F80737421f5b63e595c3be12fd%2Fimages%2F44ad9c48-1c73-a974-3ef8-074dfee5f4ed.jpg&t=1658429297&ymreqid=8d4e0bbb-bbfa-c51c-1cee-0104cc018700&sig=lYvgKV9DHI668ykNYKuuLw--~D Unsupported? They should fix the rules. You start out sitting there eating your cookie. Then somebody fires a starter's pistol and you can get up and brace yourself on a trashcan to do the challenge. |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 5:11:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some are saying Glock, some said Hellcat. Still not sure. To a lot of people every pistol is a Glock, and every rifle is an AR15 or AK47. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not 100% but saw a G19 with irons mentioned a few times. Some are saying Glock, some said Hellcat. Still not sure. To a lot of people every pistol is a Glock, and every rifle is an AR15 or AK47. |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 5:23:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Got this in an email from a friend from his friend. Take it for what you will. Quote HistoryQuoted: Got this in an email from a friend from his friend. Take it for what you will. Got some info from a Simon Properties guy who has watched the Greenwood mall active shooter attack video footage. He doesn't think about the details like we do, but I confirmed a few things thru him. The distance at which Eli Dickens fired was 43 yards, according to the computerized AI video system there in the mall. The system is accurate to within ten feet. Eli was up out of his chair within seconds and engaged with the shooter. Eli fired from around the side of a flat-topped, squared-sided trash bin next to a floor-to-ceiling column or pillar there inside the building. He was shooting from what we'd refer to as a "strong-side barricade" position. Using the side of the bin to stabilize his grip and weapon. The guy told me it looked more like he was crouched there as opposed to kneeling. It appears Eli made a kill shot with the first round he fired based on the suspect's reaction. His second round was a hit also. The active shooter simply wilted after being shot and showed no interest in doing anything other than getting back into the men's restroom door. The active shooter never fired at Eli, never even swung his gun toward him. It appears that he wasn't expecting anyone else to have a gun. After the active shooter collapsed, he kept moving, and Eli continued to fire until the target's movements halted. Eli hit with 8 of the 10 shots he fired. It was a blessing that the active shooter collapsed so quickly. It's always easier to hit a stationary target. There appear to have been bystanders running between Eli and the active shooter as Eli was firing. The bystanders were running for the nearby exit door. Eli was so focused on stopping the threat that he came close to hitting some of the fleeing bystanders, but luck was with him. I don't understand people running toward or past people who are armed and shooting at someone. But people do strange things when they're under stress. This part is in no way confirmed, but another security guy at the Greenwood mall said the empty casings from Eli's pistol were marked with Federal Cartridge headstamps. I find it interesting that the active shooter was psychologically out of the fight pretty much immediately upon being shot. That's largely been the case with active shooter incidents since we've been keeping stats on them in the 1990's. Except, of course, for the ones involving militarized terrorists, like the Inland Empire (California) attack in 2012. I'm thinking of the active shooters involving suspects who are video-gaming incel civilians like the recent ones in Highland Park and Buffalo. Here's a hand-drawn diagram of the shooting from the guy at Simon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/257939/1658342400944blob_jpg-2460807.JPG Thing is, while this was going on in the middle of the gas station parking lot, ten feet from the pumps, people were still pumping gas like nothing was happening. The cops had to physically restrain a woman who was about to cross between them and the loony to get to the pay phone. No particular hurry, completely relaxed, between a guy waving a giant Bowie knife and a dozen guys aiming firearms at him. It's like her brain wasn't processing the incident. Hell, everyone in my shop was at the front window watching. I had to shoo them back in case the cops with handguns opened up. |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 5:39:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There was the Austin cop that took out an attempted shooter in downtown a few years ago at something like 100 yards, and he made a first shot hit/kill with a .40 cal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: BTW, is there any confirmation one way or another? The Police Chief's correction stated that the shooter was neutralized in 15 seconds based on the security camera timestamps, but that doesn't necessarily mean Eli engaged and fired all 10 shots within those 15 seconds of the AS beginning to shoot. Unless there's confirmation to the contrary, it's far more likely that 15 seconds is the time period from the AS's first shot to HIS last shot, not Eli's last shot. IIRC, it was mentioned that Eli first engaged the shooter from 40 yards, bracing himself against a column to fire his initial shot(s?), then continued firing as he approached the AS. I'm guessing 15 seconds was when Eli's initial hits stopped the Active part of the shooting (or dropped the AS, or made him drop the rifle?). Do you realize how slow 1.5 second splits are in an actual shooting? No way in hell he shot 1.5 second splits and hit the guy 8 times. Whole engagement was 15 seconds and he mag dumped this nerd into oblivion. I love how everyone on this forum is doubting Eli on just about everything that has come out, the distance and now even his split times lol. What’s next you’re going to doubt that he hit him with 8 rounds as that’s not fathomable because you can’t hit paper at 15 yards. Not surprising. Look at the amount of people here bewildered that someone can hit a target at 50yds with a handgun Subdivison folks & their indoor ranges is the only explanation. There was the Austin cop that took out an attempted shooter in downtown a few years ago at something like 100 yards, and he made a first shot hit/kill with a .40 cal. If I recall correctly. one of the escaped NY prisoners from Dannemora was shot by a NY State Trooper running through a field. The trooper was a firearms instructor and hit the guy twice using a Glock .45 from quite a distance. |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 5:53:48 PM EDT
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I happened to try the shot. Rapid fire with my carry gun (glock) braced against a pole...
 
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Posted: 7/21/2022 6:12:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I happened to try the shot. Rapid fire with my carry gun (glock) braced against a pole... https://i.postimg.cc/gkLHKzSn/65190-A1-C-A0-BE-4-AA2-BAE0-40-A9-A944-CA59.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/kMpy86y0/B19895AB-818C-4CBE-BCF6-4FBB5ABA74C8.jpg 
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Posted: 7/21/2022 6:57:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I happened to try the shot. Rapid fire with my carry gun (glock) braced against a pole... https://i.postimg.cc/gkLHKzSn/65190-A1-C-A0-BE-4-AA2-BAE0-40-A9-A944-CA59.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/kMpy86y0/B19895AB-818C-4CBE-BCF6-4FBB5ABA74C8.jpg Nice shooting, Dick(en). 
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Posted: 7/21/2022 7:06:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unsupported? They should fix the rules. You start out sitting there eating your cookie. Then somebody fires a starter's pistol and you can get up and brace yourself on a trashcan to do the challenge. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Contest from a local range, Dicken challenge: 8/10 in an IPSC target in 15 seconds from 35 yards (longest distance at the range) https://ecp.yusercontent.com/mail?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmcusercontent.com%2F80737421f5b63e595c3be12fd%2Fimages%2F44ad9c48-1c73-a974-3ef8-074dfee5f4ed.jpg&t=1658429297&ymreqid=8d4e0bbb-bbfa-c51c-1cee-0104cc018700&sig=lYvgKV9DHI668ykNYKuuLw--~D Unsupported? They should fix the rules. You start out sitting there eating your cookie. Then somebody fires a starter's pistol and you can get up and brace yourself on a trashcan to do the challenge. So there I was in the shower eating a cookie... |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 7:25:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryDibs on the chick on the left. She was probably hot 10 years ago a little on Midcaps size scale now.
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Posted: 7/21/2022 8:01:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One of the neutralizing shots may have turned off the pump. It does. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This confuses me. Where are his lungs? Weren't they blown out of the body? I figured exiting organs would leave a bigger pool of blood. https://iili.io/wrQ4iN.jpg May already have been mentioned but does that sign at his feet say DEAD? It does. Or he may have taken one to the back of the head.. |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 10:20:01 PM EDT
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One of the downsides to this is that you know the next shooter will be armored up. Then there are going to be calls for that
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Posted: 7/21/2022 11:48:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One of the downsides to this is that you know the next shooter will be armored up. Then there are going to be calls for that Buffalo shooter was. |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 8:34:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unsupported? They should fix the rules. You start out sitting there Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Contest from a local range, Dicken challenge: 8/10 in an IPSC target in 15 seconds from 35 yards (longest distance at the range) https://ecp.yusercontent.com/mail?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmcusercontent.com%2F80737421f5b63e595c3be12fd%2Fimages%2F44ad9c48-1c73-a974-3ef8-074dfee5f4ed.jpg&t=1658429297&ymreqid=8d4e0bbb-bbfa-c51c-1cee-0104cc018700&sig=lYvgKV9DHI668ykNYKuuLw--~D Unsupported? They should fix the rules. You start out sitting there FIFY  I kid. 
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Posted: 7/22/2022 8:45:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One of the downsides to this is that you know the next shooter will be armored up. Then there are going to be calls for that With Eli's accuracy? Even 1 out of 10 in the brain pan would have sufficed. |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 8:50:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cops apparently identified it as a Glock. The only place I've seen Hellcat mentioned was the meme early on about the CIA handler crying that his asset got yeeted by a babyfaced autist with a Hellcat. The Hellcat was probably used for added humor because it's a shit tier pistol. *looks at EDC Hellcat on desk*  Attached FileI actually took it out yesterday and pushed it out to 25 yards unsupported to see what would happen. Turns out I need more practice
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Posted: 7/22/2022 8:53:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I happened to try the shot. Rapid fire with my carry gun (glock) braced against a pole... https://i.postimg.cc/gkLHKzSn/65190-A1-C-A0-BE-4-AA2-BAE0-40-A9-A944-CA59.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/kMpy86y0/B19895AB-818C-4CBE-BCF6-4FBB5ABA74C8.jpg Noice! |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 9:01:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dibs on the chick on the left. She was probably hot 10 years ago a little on Midcaps size scale now. Quote HistoryQuoted: She would do just fine in the present tense! The one on the right is a Midcap Moose. |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 9:04:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One of the downsides to this is that you know the next shooter will be armored up. Then there are going to be calls for that There's a drill for dealing with that. Might be best to assume armor and run the drill. |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 9:05:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There was the Austin cop that took out an attempted shooter in downtown a few years ago at something like 100 yards, and he made a first shot hit/kill with a .40 cal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: BTW, is there any confirmation one way or another? The Police Chief's correction stated that the shooter was neutralized in 15 seconds based on the security camera timestamps, but that doesn't necessarily mean Eli engaged and fired all 10 shots within those 15 seconds of the AS beginning to shoot. Unless there's confirmation to the contrary, it's far more likely that 15 seconds is the time period from the AS's first shot to HIS last shot, not Eli's last shot. IIRC, it was mentioned that Eli first engaged the shooter from 40 yards, bracing himself against a column to fire his initial shot(s?), then continued firing as he approached the AS. I'm guessing 15 seconds was when Eli's initial hits stopped the Active part of the shooting (or dropped the AS, or made him drop the rifle?). Do you realize how slow 1.5 second splits are in an actual shooting? No way in hell he shot 1.5 second splits and hit the guy 8 times. Whole engagement was 15 seconds and he mag dumped this nerd into oblivion. I love how everyone on this forum is doubting Eli on just about everything that has come out, the distance and now even his split times lol. What’s next you’re going to doubt that he hit him with 8 rounds as that’s not fathomable because you can’t hit paper at 15 yards. Not surprising. Look at the amount of people here bewildered that someone can hit a target at 50yds with a handgun Subdivison folks & their indoor ranges is the only explanation. There was the Austin cop that took out an attempted shooter in downtown a few years ago at something like 100 yards, and he made a first shot hit/kill with a .40 cal. An M&P no less 
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Posted: 7/22/2022 9:14:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I happened to try the shot. Rapid fire with my carry gun (glock) braced against a pole... https://i.postimg.cc/gkLHKzSn/65190-A1-C-A0-BE-4-AA2-BAE0-40-A9-A944-CA59.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/kMpy86y0/B19895AB-818C-4CBE-BCF6-4FBB5ABA74C8.jpg Now we need an ELI challenge coin |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 9:24:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: An M&P no less I forget the details of the story, but it seems like it was a decade ago. Some good guy took out a bad guy from some distance like 80yd with a revolver shot, braced off the hood of his truck. I remember seeing the interview with him on the youtube but its been forever ago. |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 9:38:50 AM EDT
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https://www.wthr.com/article/news/special-reports/greenwood-mall-mass-shooting/armed-citizen-was-not-the-only-one-with-a-gun-at-the-greenwood-park-mall-shooting-the-first-victim-killed-had-one-too-indiana-elisjsha-dicken/531-e5f3c8db-8f58-4c62-b8b0-acaab48ec4d1.
Armed citizen was not the only person with a gun at the Greenwood Park Mall shooting. The first victim killed had one, too |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 9:41:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Has this been posted? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/179056/8129517C-181E-4435-A093-AC1047952669_jpe-2460137.JPG The top rifle is a generic setup on basic AR15s out of the box so obviously they'd be the same. The bottom one isn't even the same, other than the same position of the foregrip and eotech. |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 9:46:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I forget the details of the story, but it seems like it was a decade ago. Some good guy took out a bad guy from some distance like 80yd with a revolver shot, braced off the hood of his truck. I remember seeing the interview with him on the youtube but its been forever ago. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: An M&P no less I forget the details of the story, but it seems like it was a decade ago. Some good guy took out a bad guy from some distance like 80yd with a revolver shot, braced off the hood of his truck. I remember seeing the interview with him on the youtube but its been forever ago. .357, IIRC |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 9:48:31 AM EDT
[#40]
A few years ago, I took an advanced handgun class from @1911SFOREVER where he had us do a drill. We started at about the 20yd mark and moved back 10 yds each round-robin level. If you got 2 of 3, you moved to the next round. Me and one other guy made it to about 120yds. I was shooting a 5" Springfield XD in .45. It was hilarious to pull the trigger and hear the bang then twiddling thumbs until the "tink" against the plate was heard.
Mall Samaritan did well assessing the situation, moving to act, getting into position, and putting the first rounds on target at the 15 second mark. Cutting short a mass murder spree is one of the big wins for concealed constitutional carry. Laws working as designed are exceedingly rare. |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 10:01:54 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I recall the officer was holding the rains and shot offhand from a standing position, but I’m OAF, so I could be wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: There was the Austin cop that took out an attempted shooter in downtown a few years ago at something like 100 yards, and he made a first shot hit/kill with a .40 cal. You left out the best part, officer was horseback, and he took the shot mounted. I recall the officer was holding the rains and shot offhand from a standing position, but I’m OAF, so I could be wrong. How have I never heard (or maybe forgotten) this story? |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 10:03:49 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How have I never heard (or maybe forgotten) this story? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There was the Austin cop that took out an attempted shooter in downtown a few years ago at something like 100 yards, and he made a first shot hit/kill with a .40 cal. You left out the best part, officer was horseback, and he took the shot mounted. I recall the officer was holding the rains and shot offhand from a standing position, but I’m OAF, so I could be wrong. How have I never heard (or maybe forgotten) this story? It was a big deal here at the time. https://www.foxnews.com/us/austin-cops-sure-shot-stopped-crazed-gunman |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 10:09:01 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How have I never heard (or maybe forgotten) this story? Here's a refresher: https://www.foxnews.com/us/austin-cops-sure-shot-stopped-crazed-gunman ETA: DAMN, beat me to it. |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 10:12:26 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.wthr.com/article/news/special-reports/greenwood-mall-mass-shooting/armed-citizen-was-not-the-only-one-with-a-gun-at-the-greenwood-park-mall-shooting-the-first-victim-killed-had-one-too-indiana-elisjsha-dicken/531-e5f3c8db-8f58-4c62-b8b0-acaab48ec4d1. Armed citizen was not the only person with a gun at the Greenwood Park Mall shooting. The first victim killed had one, too Defense in depth is what the Second Amendment is all about. |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 10:57:06 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: .357, IIRC Vic Stacy.  Shooter who aided officer gives his account of Peach House RV Park incident |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 11:20:07 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryI fukkin' love that guy, no homo. He stepped past a loaded and scoped AR to grab his Python. |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 11:23:09 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I forget the details of the story, but it seems like it was a decade ago. Some good guy took out a bad guy from some distance like 80yd with a revolver shot, braced off the hood of his truck. I remember seeing the interview with him on the youtube but its been forever ago. That may have been the Draw Mohamad event in Garland, Texas. |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 12:13:51 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How have I never heard (or maybe forgotten) this story? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There was the Austin cop that took out an attempted shooter in downtown a few years ago at something like 100 yards, and he made a first shot hit/kill with a .40 cal. You left out the best part, officer was horseback, and he took the shot mounted. I recall the officer was holding the rains and shot offhand from a standing position, but I'm OAF, so I could be wrong. How have I never heard (or maybe forgotten) this story? Fox News story "Holding the reins of two horses with one hand, Austin Police Sgt. Adam Johnson raised his service pistol and fired a bullseye into the target some 312 feet away." @Bohr_Adam Edited to add I misse this was already posted |
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Posted: 7/22/2022 12:18:13 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I happened to try the shot. Rapid fire with my carry gun (glock) braced against a pole... https://i.postimg.cc/gkLHKzSn/65190-A1-C-A0-BE-4-AA2-BAE0-40-A9-A944-CA59.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/kMpy86y0/B19895AB-818C-4CBE-BCF6-4FBB5ABA74C8.jpg I'm gonna try that. Good shooting too! 
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Posted: 7/22/2022 1:23:05 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a drill for dealing with that. Might be best to assume armor and run the drill. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: One of the downsides to this is that you know the next shooter will be armored up. Then there are going to be calls for that There's a drill for dealing with that. Might be best to assume armor and run the drill. Yup. Moz 2.0. 2 to the pelvis, 1 to the head. Began practicing that one regularly, after the OH bar district shooter (IIRC, he had soft armor?). Even so, I don't know that it would've saved the security guard in Buffalo (from the speed of the encounter, high chance of both being taken out), but it might've saved the other folks from the shooter continuing his spree. |
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