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Posted: 6/5/2014 6:59:54 PM EST
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Thread needs more beauty, such as a Grey Guns modified longslide P7 http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c119/Grayguns/GGI%20parts%20and%20stuff/P7M8detail.jpg Carry on I'm going to need to see more pictures of this gun or I won't be able to sleep tonight. Is it yours? |
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Posted: 6/5/2014 8:08:32 PM EST
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So what does it do that my Glocks don't already? Eject to the right instead if in your face or to the left. |
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Posted: 6/5/2014 8:20:29 PM EST
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That's what all the ugly chicks say. "But, my personality!!!"  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I love how a lot of people are bitching about the looks. It's a fucking weapon damn it. That's what all the ugly chicks say. "But, my personality!!!" The P7 is the most attractive striker, but the sexiest plastic is the MP Pro longslide. |
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Posted: 6/5/2014 9:17:46 PM EST
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Well this will be joining my 2 P2000s, P30 and P30L in the safe...
I still need to get a USP, USP Compact, USP Match, USP Expert, etc... My USC to UMP conversion will like this companion. 
ETA: I have 15 P30 mags as it is. 
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Posted: 6/5/2014 9:25:39 PM EST
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Hey look, a $700 rip off the size of a Glock 17 with 2 rounds less. Worth it.
ETA: saw someone say it was $719, then $650. Which one? |
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Posted: 6/5/2014 9:31:31 PM EST
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Like the Luger, or Browning's first few patents, which were striker-fired with either fixed or rotating barrels? http://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/browning-rotating.jpg http://unblinkingeye.com/Guns/1900FNB/JPs1900FNS.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pistols are meant to have external hammers. The way god intended. http://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/browning-rotating.jpg http://unblinkingeye.com/Guns/1900FNB/JPs1900FNS.jpg Then he realized it was sacrilege. |
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Posted: 6/5/2014 9:32:11 PM EST
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Bigger in every dimension than a G19 and only holds 15? Fuck the G19. http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/3944022/haters-gonna-hate-o.gif 
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Posted: 6/5/2014 9:40:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryI will just buy the $300 version 
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Posted: 6/6/2014 8:12:10 PM EST
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http://www.arsenalfirearms.com/products/strike-pistol-system
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Posted: 6/6/2014 8:17:16 PM EST
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The P7 is the most attractive striker, but the sexiest plastic is the MP Pro longslide. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I love how a lot of people are bitching about the looks. It's a fucking weapon damn it. That's what all the ugly chicks say. "But, my personality!!!" The P7 is the most attractive striker, but the sexiest plastic is the MP Pro longslide. I prefer the hk usp longslide myself...  " />
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Posted: 6/6/2014 8:23:57 PM EST
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I prefer the hk usp longslide myself... http://<a href=http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc417/tim151515/image_zpsf2819766.jpg</a>" /> <a href="http://s1210.photobucket.com/user/tim151515/media/imagejpg1_zps13707684.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc417/tim151515/imagejpg1_zps13707684.jpg</a> It looks very mk23ish IMO Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I love how a lot of people are bitching about the looks. It's a fucking weapon damn it. That's what all the ugly chicks say. "But, my personality!!!" The P7 is the most attractive striker, but the sexiest plastic is the MP Pro longslide. I prefer the hk usp longslide myself... http://<a href=http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc417/tim151515/image_zpsf2819766.jpg</a>" /> <a href="http://s1210.photobucket.com/user/tim151515/media/imagejpg1_zps13707684.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc417/tim151515/imagejpg1_zps13707684.jpg</a> It looks very mk23ish IMO Wow. That's nice! Never seen that variant before.
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Posted: 6/7/2014 5:18:32 AM EST
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I prefer the hk usp longslide myself... http://<a href=http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc417/tim151515/image_zpsf2819766.jpg</a>" /> <a href="http://s1210.photobucket.com/user/tim151515/media/imagejpg1_zps13707684.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc417/tim151515/imagejpg1_zps13707684.jpg</a> It looks very mk23ish IMO Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I love how a lot of people are bitching about the looks. It's a fucking weapon damn it. That's what all the ugly chicks say. "But, my personality!!!" The P7 is the most attractive striker, but the sexiest plastic is the MP Pro longslide. I prefer the hk usp longslide myself... http://<a href=http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc417/tim151515/image_zpsf2819766.jpg</a>" /> <a href="http://s1210.photobucket.com/user/tim151515/media/imagejpg1_zps13707684.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc417/tim151515/imagejpg1_zps13707684.jpg</a> It looks very mk23ish IMO Fucking huge. No thanks. |
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Posted: 6/7/2014 6:03:21 AM EST
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Posted: 6/7/2014 7:52:01 AM EST
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Hey look, a $700 rip off the size of a Glock 17 with 2 rounds less. Worth it. ETA: saw someone say it was $719, then $650. Which one? You do realize Glock didn't invent the idea of a polymer-framed, striker-fired pistol, right? H&K did. |
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Posted: 6/7/2014 7:53:04 AM EST
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You do realize Glock didn't invent the idea of a polymer-framed, striker-fired pistol, right? H&K did. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hey look, a $700 rip off the size of a Glock 17 with 2 rounds less. Worth it. ETA: saw someone say it was $719, then $650. Which one? You do realize Glock didn't invent the idea of a polymer-framed, striker-fired pistol, right? H&K did. And it sucked. Until Glock came around and made it not suck. |
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Posted: 6/7/2014 11:30:56 AM EST
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And it sucked. Until Glock came around and made it not suck. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hey look, a $700 rip off the size of a Glock 17 with 2 rounds less. Worth it. ETA: saw someone say it was $719, then $650. Which one? You do realize Glock didn't invent the idea of a polymer-0 framed, striker-fired pistol, right? H&K did. And it sucked. Until Glock came around and made it not suck. You mean suck slightly less. |
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Posted: 6/7/2014 1:35:17 PM EST
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Hey look, a $700 rip off the size of a Glock 17 with 2 rounds less. Worth it. ETA: saw someone say it was $719, then $650. Which one? Both. MSRP and average retail price is a bit different. Business, and all that... |
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Posted: 6/7/2014 1:35:55 PM EST
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Oh, and I had plans for a gen 4 glock 19. I'll be ordering one of these as soon as I can.
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Posted: 6/7/2014 1:36:28 PM EST
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Oh my fuck I didn't even notice I hit post 10k.
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Posted: 6/7/2014 5:42:49 PM EST
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Eject to the right instead of in your face or to the left. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So what does it do that my Glocks don't already? Eject to the right instead of in your face or to the left. +1 When I get to hold if it gives me the warm fuzzy I will buy!!!! |
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Posted: 6/7/2014 7:11:27 PM EST
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Fucking huge. No thanks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I love how a lot of people are bitching about the looks. It's a fucking weapon damn it. That's what all the ugly chicks say. "But, my personality!!!" The P7 is the most attractive striker, but the sexiest plastic is the MP Pro longslide. I prefer the hk usp longslide myself... http://<a href=http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc417/tim151515/image_zpsf2819766.jpg</a>" /> <a href="http://s1210.photobucket.com/user/tim151515/media/imagejpg1_zps13707684.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc417/tim151515/imagejpg1_zps13707684.jpg</a> It looks very mk23ish IMO Fucking huge. No thanks. It's actually not as big as it looks in pictures. Profile wise it nearly identical to my 5" 1911, and the grip is nearly identical to a Glock 17...except that it has, at least IMO, a better grip angle and texturing which makes it feel smaller than that. |
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Posted: 6/7/2014 10:14:48 PM EST
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Cross Creek Guns is advertising the VP9 for $599 shipped on HKPro.
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Posted: 6/7/2014 10:19:16 PM EST
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They want to sell a pistol in quantities to LE agencies? Just imagine being an LE instructor and having to teach 25 students how to get a proper grip while still avoiding all the bling on the side of that pistol. There's a reason Glock is the agency choice and this thing sure isn't going to make a dent in that. Their pistols work, but there is definitely something to be said for keeping shit simple. It's not a bling contest. |
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Posted: 6/7/2014 11:18:34 PM EST
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You mean suck slightly less. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hey look, a $700 rip off the size of a Glock 17 with 2 rounds less. Worth it. ETA: saw someone say it was $719, then $650. Which one? You do realize Glock didn't invent the idea of a polymer-0 framed, striker-fired pistol, right? H&K did. And it sucked. Until Glock came around and made it not suck. You mean suck slightly less. Yeah ok dude |
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Posted: 6/7/2014 11:19:56 PM EST
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Cross Creek Guns is advertising the VP9 for $599 shipped on HKPro. Lol poor Glock owners can't afford that. |
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Posted: 6/7/2014 11:24:02 PM EST
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The Walther PPQ already exists.
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Posted: 6/7/2014 11:29:18 PM EST
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Lol poor Glock owners can't afford that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cross Creek Guns is advertising the VP9 for $599 shipped on HKPro. Lol poor Glock owners can't afford that. Who cares what Glock owners can or can't do? |
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Posted: 6/7/2014 11:31:20 PM EST
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$719  something doesn't smell rightI knew HK would give me a reason not to buy it. |
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Posted: 6/7/2014 11:32:14 PM EST
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Who cares what Glock owners can or can't do? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cross Creek Guns is advertising the VP9 for $599 shipped on HKPro. Lol poor Glock owners can't afford that. Who cares what Glock owners can or can't do? HK owners always do |
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Posted: 6/7/2014 11:33:05 PM EST
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HK owners always do 
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Posted: 6/7/2014 11:33:05 PM EST
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Fools you all need more Sig Sauers in your life.
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Posted: 6/7/2014 11:33:36 PM EST
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I knew HK would give me a reason not to buy it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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$719 something doesn't smell rightI knew HK would give me a reason not to buy it. Already advertised at $599 shipped. |
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Posted: 6/7/2014 11:49:48 PM EST
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Fools you all need more Sig Sauers in your life. Yeah I need more diamond plate and rainbow guns 
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Posted: 6/7/2014 11:58:26 PM EST
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As a dealer, I'm actually pretty excited about this.
Despite all the bitching and pissing and moaning, for no reason other than "We don't like anything we don't already masturbate to every night", this pistol is going to sell like hotcakes. Every day a huge percentage of the customers I see coming in the door are basically new to shooting. They either don't own a gun, or their only firearms are one or two older cheap pistols or rifles, and they know they want to do better. Typically I steer new shooters into a full sized 9mm, and with pricing being what it is, typically that means a Glock 17/19, M&P9, SR9, P250, or maybe even an FNS/FNX-9. Say what you will, but over the years I've sold thousands of handguns, and the one pistol that virtually every customer finds comfortable is the P30. It's basically unheard of for someone to pick it up and find it uncomfortable. It boggles my mind that H&K's ergonomics sucked so badly for so many years, and then they somehow managed to hit one out of the park. Except then the customer reads the price tag, and balks at spending $900 on their first pistol. If I can sell someone a $600 H&K 9mm that has the ergonomics of a P30, but only costs $100 more than a Glock, that's a huge possibility for sales. People will eat it up all day long. As it stands, the 17/19 and the M&P9 are the only polymer $500-ish pistols that I truly can count on to make any random customer happy. $600 is a reasonable price tag for something that has better features and just as popular of a brand name. Unless the trigger sucks massively for some bizarre reason, H&K will sell a shitload of these to the civilian market. Whether they can compete on agency pricing is a different matter altogether, but ultimately they've got to gain market acceptance first before agencies will really look at them. |
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Posted: 6/8/2014 12:08:29 AM EST
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As a dealer, I'm actually pretty excited about this. Despite all the bitching and pissing and moaning, for no reason other than "We don't like anything we don't already masturbate to every night", this pistol is going to sell like hotcakes. Every day a huge percentage of the customers I see coming in the door are basically new to shooting. They either don't own a gun, or their only firearms are one or two older cheap pistols or rifles, and they know they want to do better. Typically I steer new shooters into a full sized 9mm, and with pricing being what it is, typically that means a Glock 17/19, M&P9, SR9, P250, or maybe even an FNS/FNX-9. Say what you will, but over the years I've sold thousands of handguns, and the one pistol that virtually every customer finds comfortable is the P30. It's basically unheard of for someone to pick it up and find it uncomfortable. It boggles my mind that H&K's ergonomics sucked so badly for so many years, and then they somehow managed to hit one out of the park. Except then the customer reads the price tag, and balks at spending $900 on their first pistol. If I can sell someone a $600 H&K 9mm that has the ergonomics of a P30, but only costs $100 more than a Glock, that's a huge possibility for sales. People will eat it up all day long. As it stands, the 17/19 and the M&P9 are the only polymer $500-ish pistols that I truly can count on to make any random customer happy. $600 is a reasonable price tag for something that has better features and just as popular of a brand name. Unless the trigger sucks massively for some bizarre reason, H&K will sell a shitload of these to the civilian market. Whether they can compete on agency pricing is a different matter altogether, but ultimately they've got to gain market acceptance first before agencies will really look at them. No it won't. It will sell to all of the HK nerds at first. Who will immediately proclaim it to be the bestest german swiss watch mercedes benz beluga caviar dom perignon of striker fired guns ever made. Everyone else will walk in and either say "who the fuck is HK? I'll take a S&W" or "cool a cheap HK, How much are spare mags? I need at least six. Oh $65, make that three mags, oh when do you think you'll have them in stock?" So basically, it will be P30 redux, but cheaper. Because that is what it is. A cheaper P30 for the untermenschen. |
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Posted: 6/8/2014 12:09:00 AM EST
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Fools you all need more Sig Sauers in your life. Yeah I need more diamond plate and rainbow guns I won't judge you. That is the power of Sig we don't judge other gun owners unlike you glock and HKers. |
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Posted: 6/8/2014 12:14:00 AM EST
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I won't judge you. That is the power of Sig we don't judge other gun owners unlike you glock and HKers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fools you all need more Sig Sauers in your life. Yeah I need more diamond plate and rainbow guns I won't judge you. That is the power of Sig we don't judge other gun owners unlike you glock and HKers. Ok thanks
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Posted: 6/8/2014 12:15:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok thanks Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fools you all need more Sig Sauers in your life. Yeah I need more diamond plate and rainbow guns I won't judge you. That is the power of Sig we don't judge other gun owners unlike you glock and HKers. Ok thanks You aren't cool unless you've got a SIG P230303 XTREME TACTICAL TRIBAL EDITION |
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Posted: 6/8/2014 12:15:53 AM EST
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As a dealer, I'm actually pretty excited about this. Despite all the bitching and pissing and moaning, for no reason other than "We don't like anything we don't already masturbate to every night", this pistol is going to sell like hotcakes. Every day a huge percentage of the customers I see coming in the door are basically new to shooting. They either don't own a gun, or their only firearms are one or two older cheap pistols or rifles, and they know they want to do better. Typically I steer new shooters into a full sized 9mm, and with pricing being what it is, typically that means a Glock 17/19, M&P9, SR9, P250, or maybe even an FNS/FNX-9. Say what you will, but over the years I've sold thousands of handguns, and the one pistol that virtually every customer finds comfortable is the P30. It's basically unheard of for someone to pick it up and find it uncomfortable. It boggles my mind that H&K's ergonomics sucked so badly for so many years, and then they somehow managed to hit one out of the park. Except then the customer reads the price tag, and balks at spending $900 on their first pistol. If I can sell someone a $600 H&K 9mm that has the ergonomics of a P30, but only costs $100 more than a Glock, that's a huge possibility for sales. People will eat it up all day long. As it stands, the 17/19 and the M&P9 are the only polymer $500-ish pistols that I truly can count on to make any random customer happy. $600 is a reasonable price tag for something that has better features and just as popular of a brand name. Unless the trigger sucks massively for some bizarre reason, H&K will sell a shitload of these to the civilian market. Whether they can compete on agency pricing is a different matter altogether, but ultimately they've got to gain market acceptance first before agencies will really look at them. It'll be interesting if it sells so well that the price increases at the dealer level for it. I remember when the HS2000 (XD) sold for $250 before Springfield stamped their name on it. Glocks used to be $400 all day long. Name recognition kicks the price up considerably. The Glocks I see at dealer tables these days is at the $550-$600 range. XDs and M&Ps are close to that as well. If there was an HK next to it at $625-$650, that'd be huge. But if you watch HKs long enough, one thing you notice is that some dealers LIKE to jack the price up on them. It's like it's a sales tactic of shock and awe. "You can't afford this $1000 used HK USP compact? Well, why don't you check out this $700 M&P? Or this $450 Sigma." I've had that happen to me several times, actually. I don't know how those stores are still in business. I suspect that online the VP9 will be able to be had for $599, but I'm betting most stores will try to keep the price in the $700 range just because the HK name will still sell at that price and supply of these pistols might end up being somewhat limited if HK Germany doesn't meet the demand. We'll see! It might also fall flat on its face and there is no demand whatsoever. HK hate is still very strong. |
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Posted: 6/8/2014 12:17:54 AM EST
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Nice, the trigger travel listed is shorter than that listed for a Glock 19 and I love my Glock 19.
Trigger pull weight listed is also nice, which is all good to see from HK who have had triggers that I have not cared for in the past. I guess my concern would be the bore axis. Walthers have a high bore axis and to me it doesn't do much to mitigate muzzle flip. This HK looks like the bore axis might be a little high as well, but I'd sure love to hold one and see for myself. HK is a very good company. I'd like to see them do this striker fired pistol |
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Posted: 6/8/2014 12:19:03 AM EST
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No it won't. It will sell to all of the HK nerds at first. Who will immediately proclaim it to be the bestest german swiss watch mercedes benz beluga caviar dom perignon of striker fired guns ever made. Everyone else will walk in and either say "who the fuck is HK? I'll take a S&W" or "cool a cheap HK, How much are spare mags? I need at least six. Oh $65, make that three mags, oh when do you think you'll have them in stock?" So basically, it will be P30 redux, but cheaper. Because that is what it is. A cheaper P30 for the untermenschen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a dealer, I'm actually pretty excited about this. Despite all the bitching and pissing and moaning, for no reason other than "We don't like anything we don't already masturbate to every night", this pistol is going to sell like hotcakes. Every day a huge percentage of the customers I see coming in the door are basically new to shooting. They either don't own a gun, or their only firearms are one or two older cheap pistols or rifles, and they know they want to do better. Typically I steer new shooters into a full sized 9mm, and with pricing being what it is, typically that means a Glock 17/19, M&P9, SR9, P250, or maybe even an FNS/FNX-9. Say what you will, but over the years I've sold thousands of handguns, and the one pistol that virtually every customer finds comfortable is the P30. It's basically unheard of for someone to pick it up and find it uncomfortable. It boggles my mind that H&K's ergonomics sucked so badly for so many years, and then they somehow managed to hit one out of the park. Except then the customer reads the price tag, and balks at spending $900 on their first pistol. If I can sell someone a $600 H&K 9mm that has the ergonomics of a P30, but only costs $100 more than a Glock, that's a huge possibility for sales. People will eat it up all day long. As it stands, the 17/19 and the M&P9 are the only polymer $500-ish pistols that I truly can count on to make any random customer happy. $600 is a reasonable price tag for something that has better features and just as popular of a brand name. Unless the trigger sucks massively for some bizarre reason, H&K will sell a shitload of these to the civilian market. Whether they can compete on agency pricing is a different matter altogether, but ultimately they've got to gain market acceptance first before agencies will really look at them. No it won't. It will sell to all of the HK nerds at first. Who will immediately proclaim it to be the bestest german swiss watch mercedes benz beluga caviar dom perignon of striker fired guns ever made. Everyone else will walk in and either say "who the fuck is HK? I'll take a S&W" or "cool a cheap HK, How much are spare mags? I need at least six. Oh $65, make that three mags, oh when do you think you'll have them in stock?" So basically, it will be P30 redux, but cheaper. Because that is what it is. A cheaper P30 for the untermenschen. You increased your post count again. Congratulations. |
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Posted: 6/8/2014 12:19:32 AM EST
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Posted: 6/8/2014 12:19:43 AM EST
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No it won't. It will sell to all of the HK nerds at first. Who will immediately proclaim it to be the bestest german swiss watch mercedes benz beluga caviar dom perignon of striker fired guns ever made. Everyone else will walk in and either say "who the fuck is HK? I'll take a S&W" or "cool a cheap HK, How much are spare mags? I need at least six. Oh $65, make that three mags, oh when do you think you'll have them in stock?" So basically, it will be P30 redux, but cheaper. Because that is what it is. A cheaper P30 for the untermenschen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a dealer, I'm actually pretty excited about this. Despite all the bitching and pissing and moaning, for no reason other than "We don't like anything we don't already masturbate to every night", this pistol is going to sell like hotcakes. Every day a huge percentage of the customers I see coming in the door are basically new to shooting. They either don't own a gun, or their only firearms are one or two older cheap pistols or rifles, and they know they want to do better. Typically I steer new shooters into a full sized 9mm, and with pricing being what it is, typically that means a Glock 17/19, M&P9, SR9, P250, or maybe even an FNS/FNX-9. Say what you will, but over the years I've sold thousands of handguns, and the one pistol that virtually every customer finds comfortable is the P30. It's basically unheard of for someone to pick it up and find it uncomfortable. It boggles my mind that H&K's ergonomics sucked so badly for so many years, and then they somehow managed to hit one out of the park. Except then the customer reads the price tag, and balks at spending $900 on their first pistol. If I can sell someone a $600 H&K 9mm that has the ergonomics of a P30, but only costs $100 more than a Glock, that's a huge possibility for sales. People will eat it up all day long. As it stands, the 17/19 and the M&P9 are the only polymer $500-ish pistols that I truly can count on to make any random customer happy. $600 is a reasonable price tag for something that has better features and just as popular of a brand name. Unless the trigger sucks massively for some bizarre reason, H&K will sell a shitload of these to the civilian market. Whether they can compete on agency pricing is a different matter altogether, but ultimately they've got to gain market acceptance first before agencies will really look at them. No it won't. It will sell to all of the HK nerds at first. Who will immediately proclaim it to be the bestest german swiss watch mercedes benz beluga caviar dom perignon of striker fired guns ever made. Everyone else will walk in and either say "who the fuck is HK? I'll take a S&W" or "cool a cheap HK, How much are spare mags? I need at least six. Oh $65, make that three mags, oh when do you think you'll have them in stock?" So basically, it will be P30 redux, but cheaper. Because that is what it is. A cheaper P30 for the untermenschen. Do you know how many first-time buyers also want spare mags? Answer: none. They don't know what to do with the second one in the box anyways. You upsell them on cleaning supplies, a holster, range ammo, defensive ammo, ear and eye pro, and a range bag. Extra magazines aren't on the list for most gun owners outside of cases like the Shield, XDS, and 26/27 where the factory supplied magazines aren't extended for a full grip. Not an issue on a full-size pistol. I've sold literally millions of dollars of firearms at retail, personally, and I know what will sell. The internet fanboi contingent represents about 5% of sales, at best, for a full-service gun store. The guys pissing and moaning at HKPro aren't coming into my store to buy their next USP, they're ordering it from an online vendor or buying used off of a trade forum. Out of 100 customers, maybe 1 or 2 might actually know what the term "bore axis" refers to, and they probably don't give a damn in the first place. Figure out a way to make a Glock more ergonomic, however, and combine that with a brand name that has considerably higher regard amongst even novice shooters, and sell it at a price just barely a notch above a Glock or S&W, and you've got a serious contender for market share over the next few years. |
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Posted: 6/8/2014 12:20:06 AM EST
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As a dealer, I'm actually pretty excited about this. Despite all the bitching and pissing and moaning, for no reason other than "We don't like anything we don't already masturbate to every night", this pistol is going to sell like hotcakes. Every day a huge percentage of the customers I see coming in the door are basically new to shooting. They either don't own a gun, or their only firearms are one or two older cheap pistols or rifles, and they know they want to do better. Typically I steer new shooters into a full sized 9mm, and with pricing being what it is, typically that means a Glock 17/19, M&P9, SR9, P250, or maybe even an FNS/FNX-9. Say what you will, but over the years I've sold thousands of handguns, and the one pistol that virtually every customer finds comfortable is the P30. It's basically unheard of for someone to pick it up and find it uncomfortable. It boggles my mind that H&K's ergonomics sucked so badly for so many years, and then they somehow managed to hit one out of the park. Except then the customer reads the price tag, and balks at spending $900 on their first pistol. If I can sell someone a $600 H&K 9mm that has the ergonomics of a P30, but only costs $100 more than a Glock, that's a huge possibility for sales. People will eat it up all day long. As it stands, the 17/19 and the M&P9 are the only polymer $500-ish pistols that I truly can count on to make any random customer happy. $600 is a reasonable price tag for something that has better features and just as popular of a brand name. Unless the trigger sucks massively for some bizarre reason, H&K will sell a shitload of these to the civilian market. Whether they can compete on agency pricing is a different matter altogether, but ultimately they've got to gain market acceptance first before agencies will really look at them. No it won't. It will sell to all of the HK nerds at first. Who will immediately proclaim it to be the bestest german swiss watch mercedes benz beluga caviar dom perignon of striker fired guns ever made. Everyone else will walk in and either say "who the fuck is HK? I'll take a S&W" or "cool a cheap HK, How much are spare mags? I need at least six. Oh $65, make that three mags, oh when do you think you'll have them in stock?" So basically, it will be P30 redux, but cheaper. Because that is what it is. A cheaper P30 for the untermenschen. You increased your post count again. Congratulations.
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Posted: 6/8/2014 12:22:21 AM EST
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Do you know how many first-time buyers also want spare mags? Answer: none. They don't know what to do with the second one in the box anyways. You upsell them on cleaning supplies, a holster, range ammo, defensive ammo, ear and eye pro, and a range bag. Extra magazines aren't on the list for most gun owners outside of cases like the Shield, XDS, and 26/27 where the factory supplied magazines aren't extended for a full grip. Not an issue on a full-size pistol. I've sold literally millions of dollars of firearms at retail, personally, and I know what will sell. The internet fanboi contingent represents about 5% of sales, at best, for a full-service gun store. The guys pissing and moaning at HKPro aren't coming into my store to buy their next USP, they're ordering it from an online vendor or buying used off of a trade forum. Out of 100 customers, maybe 1 or 2 might actually know what the term "bore axis" refers to, and they probably don't give a damn in the first place. Figure out a way to make a Glock more ergonomic, however, and combine that with a brand name that has considerably higher regard amongst even novice shooters, and sell it at a price just barely a notch above a Glock or S&W, and you've got a serious contender for market share over the next few years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a dealer, I'm actually pretty excited about this. Despite all the bitching and pissing and moaning, for no reason other than "We don't like anything we don't already masturbate to every night", this pistol is going to sell like hotcakes. Every day a huge percentage of the customers I see coming in the door are basically new to shooting. They either don't own a gun, or their only firearms are one or two older cheap pistols or rifles, and they know they want to do better. Typically I steer new shooters into a full sized 9mm, and with pricing being what it is, typically that means a Glock 17/19, M&P9, SR9, P250, or maybe even an FNS/FNX-9. Say what you will, but over the years I've sold thousands of handguns, and the one pistol that virtually every customer finds comfortable is the P30. It's basically unheard of for someone to pick it up and find it uncomfortable. It boggles my mind that H&K's ergonomics sucked so badly for so many years, and then they somehow managed to hit one out of the park. Except then the customer reads the price tag, and balks at spending $900 on their first pistol. If I can sell someone a $600 H&K 9mm that has the ergonomics of a P30, but only costs $100 more than a Glock, that's a huge possibility for sales. People will eat it up all day long. As it stands, the 17/19 and the M&P9 are the only polymer $500-ish pistols that I truly can count on to make any random customer happy. $600 is a reasonable price tag for something that has better features and just as popular of a brand name. Unless the trigger sucks massively for some bizarre reason, H&K will sell a shitload of these to the civilian market. Whether they can compete on agency pricing is a different matter altogether, but ultimately they've got to gain market acceptance first before agencies will really look at them. No it won't. It will sell to all of the HK nerds at first. Who will immediately proclaim it to be the bestest german swiss watch mercedes benz beluga caviar dom perignon of striker fired guns ever made. Everyone else will walk in and either say "who the fuck is HK? I'll take a S&W" or "cool a cheap HK, How much are spare mags? I need at least six. Oh $65, make that three mags, oh when do you think you'll have them in stock?" So basically, it will be P30 redux, but cheaper. Because that is what it is. A cheaper P30 for the untermenschen. Do you know how many first-time buyers also want spare mags? Answer: none. They don't know what to do with the second one in the box anyways. You upsell them on cleaning supplies, a holster, range ammo, defensive ammo, ear and eye pro, and a range bag. Extra magazines aren't on the list for most gun owners outside of cases like the Shield, XDS, and 26/27 where the factory supplied magazines aren't extended for a full grip. Not an issue on a full-size pistol. I've sold literally millions of dollars of firearms at retail, personally, and I know what will sell. The internet fanboi contingent represents about 5% of sales, at best, for a full-service gun store. The guys pissing and moaning at HKPro aren't coming into my store to buy their next USP, they're ordering it from an online vendor or buying used off of a trade forum. Out of 100 customers, maybe 1 or 2 might actually know what the term "bore axis" refers to, and they probably don't give a damn in the first place. Figure out a way to make a Glock more ergonomic, however, and combine that with a brand name that has considerably higher regard amongst even novice shooters, and sell it at a price just barely a notch above a Glock or S&W, and you've got a serious contender for market share over the next few years. most buyers buy whatever feels "best" in their hand while languidly waving it at the wall, and meets their pricing considerations. the P30 does indeed "feel" good, but that means shit while you are firing it. Most people don't know what Hk is. Which is kind of sad considering that their "brand" is pretty much all they have going for them. |
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Posted: 6/8/2014 12:22:38 AM EST
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Do you know how many first-time buyers also want spare mags? Answer: none. They don't know what to do with the second one in the box anyways. You upsell them on cleaning supplies, a holster, range ammo, defensive ammo, ear and eye pro, and a range bag. Extra magazines aren't on the list for most gun owners outside of cases like the Shield, XDS, and 26/27 where the factory supplied magazines aren't extended for a full grip. Not an issue on a full-size pistol. I've sold literally millions of dollars of firearms at retail, personally, and I know what will sell. The internet fanboi contingent represents about 5% of sales, at best, for a full-service gun store. The guys pissing and moaning at HKPro aren't coming into my store to buy their next USP, they're ordering it from an online vendor or buying used off of a trade forum. Out of 100 customers, maybe 1 or 2 might actually know what the term "bore axis" refers to, and they probably don't give a damn in the first place. Figure out a way to make a Glock more ergonomic, however, and combine that with a brand name that has considerably higher regard amongst even novice shooters, and sell it at a price just barely a notch above a Glock or S&W, and you've got a serious contender for market share over the next few years. Thank you for your well reasoned replies. But I don't think he'll be reading that much. He's already got his mind made up. That much is clear. |
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Posted: 6/8/2014 12:27:42 AM EST
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Thank you for your well reasoned replies. But I don't think he'll be reading that much. He's already got his mind made up. That much is clear. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you know how many first-time buyers also want spare mags? Answer: none. They don't know what to do with the second one in the box anyways. You upsell them on cleaning supplies, a holster, range ammo, defensive ammo, ear and eye pro, and a range bag. Extra magazines aren't on the list for most gun owners outside of cases like the Shield, XDS, and 26/27 where the factory supplied magazines aren't extended for a full grip. Not an issue on a full-size pistol. I've sold literally millions of dollars of firearms at retail, personally, and I know what will sell. The internet fanboi contingent represents about 5% of sales, at best, for a full-service gun store. The guys pissing and moaning at HKPro aren't coming into my store to buy their next USP, they're ordering it from an online vendor or buying used off of a trade forum. Out of 100 customers, maybe 1 or 2 might actually know what the term "bore axis" refers to, and they probably don't give a damn in the first place. Figure out a way to make a Glock more ergonomic, however, and combine that with a brand name that has considerably higher regard amongst even novice shooters, and sell it at a price just barely a notch above a Glock or S&W, and you've got a serious contender for market share over the next few years. Thank you for your well reasoned replies. But I don't think he'll be reading that much. He's already got his mind made up. That much is clear. 1. I read it. 2. What do you care? Are you taking this personally? |
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Posted: 6/8/2014 12:30:15 AM EST
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No it won't. It will sell to all of the HK nerds at first. Who will immediately proclaim it to be the bestest german swiss watch mercedes benz beluga caviar dom perignon of striker fired guns ever made. Everyone else will walk in and either say "who the fuck is HK? I'll take a S&W" or "cool a cheap HK, How much are spare mags? I need at least six. Oh $65, make that three mags, oh when do you think you'll have them in stock?" So basically, it will be P30 redux, but cheaper. Because that is what it is. A cheaper P30 for the untermenschen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a dealer, I'm actually pretty excited about this. Despite all the bitching and pissing and moaning, for no reason other than "We don't like anything we don't already masturbate to every night", this pistol is going to sell like hotcakes. Every day a huge percentage of the customers I see coming in the door are basically new to shooting. They either don't own a gun, or their only firearms are one or two older cheap pistols or rifles, and they know they want to do better. Typically I steer new shooters into a full sized 9mm, and with pricing being what it is, typically that means a Glock 17/19, M&P9, SR9, P250, or maybe even an FNS/FNX-9. Say what you will, but over the years I've sold thousands of handguns, and the one pistol that virtually every customer finds comfortable is the P30. It's basically unheard of for someone to pick it up and find it uncomfortable. It boggles my mind that H&K's ergonomics sucked so badly for so many years, and then they somehow managed to hit one out of the park. Except then the customer reads the price tag, and balks at spending $900 on their first pistol. If I can sell someone a $600 H&K 9mm that has the ergonomics of a P30, but only costs $100 more than a Glock, that's a huge possibility for sales. People will eat it up all day long. As it stands, the 17/19 and the M&P9 are the only polymer $500-ish pistols that I truly can count on to make any random customer happy. $600 is a reasonable price tag for something that has better features and just as popular of a brand name. Unless the trigger sucks massively for some bizarre reason, H&K will sell a shitload of these to the civilian market. Whether they can compete on agency pricing is a different matter altogether, but ultimately they've got to gain market acceptance first before agencies will really look at them. No it won't. It will sell to all of the HK nerds at first. Who will immediately proclaim it to be the bestest german swiss watch mercedes benz beluga caviar dom perignon of striker fired guns ever made. Everyone else will walk in and either say "who the fuck is HK? I'll take a S&W" or "cool a cheap HK, How much are spare mags? I need at least six. Oh $65, make that three mags, oh when do you think you'll have them in stock?" So basically, it will be P30 redux, but cheaper. Because that is what it is. A cheaper P30 for the untermenschen. Mags are like $50 and always in stock. Granted they are a bit more expensive than glock mags, but you're comparing apples to oranges there. |
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Posted: 6/8/2014 12:32:32 AM EST
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Do you know how many first-time buyers also want spare mags? Answer: none. They don't know what to do with the second one in the box anyways. You upsell them on cleaning supplies, a holster, range ammo, defensive ammo, ear and eye pro, and a range bag. Extra magazines aren't on the list for most gun owners outside of cases like the Shield, XDS, and 26/27 where the factory supplied magazines aren't extended for a full grip. Not an issue on a full-size pistol. I've sold literally millions of dollars of firearms at retail, personally, and I know what will sell. The internet fanboi contingent represents about 5% of sales, at best, for a full-service gun store. The guys pissing and moaning at HKPro aren't coming into my store to buy their next USP, they're ordering it from an online vendor or buying used off of a trade forum. Out of 100 customers, maybe 1 or 2 might actually know what the term "bore axis" refers to, and they probably don't give a damn in the first place. Figure out a way to make a Glock more ergonomic, however, and combine that with a brand name that has considerably higher regard amongst even novice shooters, and sell it at a price just barely a notch above a Glock or S&W, and you've got a serious contender for market share over the next few years. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a dealer, I'm actually pretty excited about this. Despite all the bitching and pissing and moaning, for no reason other than "We don't like anything we don't already masturbate to every night", this pistol is going to sell like hotcakes. Every day a huge percentage of the customers I see coming in the door are basically new to shooting. They either don't own a gun, or their only firearms are one or two older cheap pistols or rifles, and they know they want to do better. Typically I steer new shooters into a full sized 9mm, and with pricing being what it is, typically that means a Glock 17/19, M&P9, SR9, P250, or maybe even an FNS/FNX-9. Say what you will, but over the years I've sold thousands of handguns, and the one pistol that virtually every customer finds comfortable is the P30. It's basically unheard of for someone to pick it up and find it uncomfortable. It boggles my mind that H&K's ergonomics sucked so badly for so many years, and then they somehow managed to hit one out of the park. Except then the customer reads the price tag, and balks at spending $900 on their first pistol. If I can sell someone a $600 H&K 9mm that has the ergonomics of a P30, but only costs $100 more than a Glock, that's a huge possibility for sales. People will eat it up all day long. As it stands, the 17/19 and the M&P9 are the only polymer $500-ish pistols that I truly can count on to make any random customer happy. $600 is a reasonable price tag for something that has better features and just as popular of a brand name. Unless the trigger sucks massively for some bizarre reason, H&K will sell a shitload of these to the civilian market. Whether they can compete on agency pricing is a different matter altogether, but ultimately they've got to gain market acceptance first before agencies will really look at them. No it won't. It will sell to all of the HK nerds at first. Who will immediately proclaim it to be the bestest german swiss watch mercedes benz beluga caviar dom perignon of striker fired guns ever made. Everyone else will walk in and either say "who the fuck is HK? I'll take a S&W" or "cool a cheap HK, How much are spare mags? I need at least six. Oh $65, make that three mags, oh when do you think you'll have them in stock?" So basically, it will be P30 redux, but cheaper. Because that is what it is. A cheaper P30 for the untermenschen. Do you know how many first-time buyers also want spare mags? Answer: none. They don't know what to do with the second one in the box anyways. You upsell them on cleaning supplies, a holster, range ammo, defensive ammo, ear and eye pro, and a range bag. Extra magazines aren't on the list for most gun owners outside of cases like the Shield, XDS, and 26/27 where the factory supplied magazines aren't extended for a full grip. Not an issue on a full-size pistol. I've sold literally millions of dollars of firearms at retail, personally, and I know what will sell. The internet fanboi contingent represents about 5% of sales, at best, for a full-service gun store. The guys pissing and moaning at HKPro aren't coming into my store to buy their next USP, they're ordering it from an online vendor or buying used off of a trade forum. Out of 100 customers, maybe 1 or 2 might actually know what the term "bore axis" refers to, and they probably don't give a damn in the first place. Figure out a way to make a Glock more ergonomic, however, and combine that with a brand name that has considerably higher regard amongst even novice shooters, and sell it at a price just barely a notch above a Glock or S&W, and you've got a serious contender for market share over the next few years. I agree on everything you've said. I can't wait to get some in stock. |
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Posted: 6/8/2014 12:33:01 AM EST
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Mags are like $50 and always in stock. Granted they are a bit more expensive than glock mags, but you're comparing apples to oranges there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a dealer, I'm actually pretty excited about this. Despite all the bitching and pissing and moaning, for no reason other than "We don't like anything we don't already masturbate to every night", this pistol is going to sell like hotcakes. Every day a huge percentage of the customers I see coming in the door are basically new to shooting. They either don't own a gun, or their only firearms are one or two older cheap pistols or rifles, and they know they want to do better. Typically I steer new shooters into a full sized 9mm, and with pricing being what it is, typically that means a Glock 17/19, M&P9, SR9, P250, or maybe even an FNS/FNX-9. Say what you will, but over the years I've sold thousands of handguns, and the one pistol that virtually every customer finds comfortable is the P30. It's basically unheard of for someone to pick it up and find it uncomfortable. It boggles my mind that H&K's ergonomics sucked so badly for so many years, and then they somehow managed to hit one out of the park. Except then the customer reads the price tag, and balks at spending $900 on their first pistol. If I can sell someone a $600 H&K 9mm that has the ergonomics of a P30, but only costs $100 more than a Glock, that's a huge possibility for sales. People will eat it up all day long. As it stands, the 17/19 and the M&P9 are the only polymer $500-ish pistols that I truly can count on to make any random customer happy. $600 is a reasonable price tag for something that has better features and just as popular of a brand name. Unless the trigger sucks massively for some bizarre reason, H&K will sell a shitload of these to the civilian market. Whether they can compete on agency pricing is a different matter altogether, but ultimately they've got to gain market acceptance first before agencies will really look at them. No it won't. It will sell to all of the HK nerds at first. Who will immediately proclaim it to be the bestest german swiss watch mercedes benz beluga caviar dom perignon of striker fired guns ever made. Everyone else will walk in and either say "who the fuck is HK? I'll take a S&W" or "cool a cheap HK, How much are spare mags? I need at least six. Oh $65, make that three mags, oh when do you think you'll have them in stock?" So basically, it will be P30 redux, but cheaper. Because that is what it is. A cheaper P30 for the untermenschen. Mags are like $50 and always in stock. Granted they are a bit more expensive than glock mags, but you're comparing apples to oranges there. I'm comparing apples to an overcomplicated apple. Maybe if you are into fruit analogies, a watermelon to one of those weird watermelons in japan they grow in a box so it come out square. It's the mercedes benz of watermelons really. If buy regular watermelons you can't afford this one. Pure german engineering excellence in plastic.
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