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Posted: 3/10/2015 9:26:20 AM EST
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Are you allowed to ridicule, question someone's intelligence, thought process, and grasp of reality while you are working and in uniform? Oh yes. Did it frequently. That's a shocking revelation to hear from you. 
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Posted: 3/10/2015 9:27:01 AM EST
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Brass don't like the word "no"...
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Posted: 3/10/2015 9:29:39 AM EST
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I think it's outrageous that a JBT would fail to show appropriate deference to an upstanding member or our armed forces. That guy puts his life on the line for our country. He's an F'n hero. You're just a thug for The Man.
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Posted: 3/10/2015 9:30:56 AM EST
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Shall I tell you the story of the two Marines that beat up a hooker then set her car on fire? Seems there was a payment dispute.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, there's always "that guy" and a good opportunity to throw this down: <a href="http://s31.photobucket.com/user/familyman357/media/ohyoureinthearmy_zpsa695f369.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c397/familyman357/ohyoureinthearmy_zpsa695f369.jpg</a> Shall I tell you the story of the two Marines that beat up a hooker then set her car on fire? Seems there was a payment dispute. Why did a hooker have a car? |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 9:31:45 AM EST
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He wanted me to arrest people based only on his suspicions no proof of wrong doing, trespass on private property and kick in peoples doors because he believes they are smoking weed. Somebody has a serious Napoleon complex. And a bright future at the DEA
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Posted: 3/10/2015 9:32:44 AM EST
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It's not just army, it's all officers. They are trained to be that way.
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Posted: 3/10/2015 9:32:47 AM EST
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Why did a hooker have a car? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KC-130 FLT ENG:
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Yeah, there's always "that guy" and a good opportunity to throw this down: <a href="http://s31.photobucket.com/user/familyman357/media/ohyoureinthearmy_zpsa695f369.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c397/familyman357/ohyoureinthearmy_zpsa695f369.jpg</a> Shall I tell you the story of the two Marines that beat up a hooker then set her car on fire? Seems there was a payment dispute. Why did a hooker have a car? Not a hooker till they are dead |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 9:33:45 AM EST
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Why did a hooker have a car? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KC-130 FLT ENG:
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Yeah, there's always "that guy" and a good opportunity to throw this down: <a href="http://s31.photobucket.com/user/familyman357/media/ohyoureinthearmy_zpsa695f369.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c397/familyman357/ohyoureinthearmy_zpsa695f369.jpg</a> Shall I tell you the story of the two Marines that beat up a hooker then set her car on fire? Seems there was a payment dispute. Why did a hooker have a car? Strange as it may seem, hookers can be mobile.
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Posted: 3/10/2015 9:34:42 AM EST
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Why did a hooker have a car? For the trunk! |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 9:35:28 AM EST
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Sounds like probable cause to me. Why didn't you get it on? 
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..orders from them. Details? How/what civil rights did he want you to violate? He wanted me to arrest people based only on his suspicions no proof of wrong doing, trespass on private property and kick in peoples doors because he believes they are smoking weed. Sounds like probable cause to me. Why didn't you get it on?
"He was makin' a move. Man I had to get it on!"
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Posted: 3/10/2015 9:36:00 AM EST
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Was this in a personal or LE capacity?
Yeah, sounds about right. There were always a few idiots who thought their collar device meant something outside the front gate
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Posted: 3/10/2015 9:36:31 AM EST
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He wanted me to arrest people based only on his suspicions no proof of wrong doing, trespass on private property and kick in peoples doors because he believes they are smoking weed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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..orders from them. Details? How/what civil rights did he want you to violate? He wanted me to arrest people based only on his suspicions no proof of wrong doing, trespass on private property and kick in peoples doors because he believes they are smoking weed. And what's wrong with that? ATF does it all the time! Lol! Seriously though, good for you and thank you for standing up for what's right! 
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Posted: 3/10/2015 9:36:47 AM EST
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Why did a hooker have a car? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KC-130 FLT ENG:
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Yeah, there's always "that guy" and a good opportunity to throw this down: <a href="http://s31.photobucket.com/user/familyman357/media/ohyoureinthearmy_zpsa695f369.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c397/familyman357/ohyoureinthearmy_zpsa695f369.jpg</a> Shall I tell you the story of the two Marines that beat up a hooker then set her car on fire? Seems there was a payment dispute. Why did a hooker have a car? For the same reason that every pizza joint isn't carry-out.
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Posted: 3/10/2015 9:37:08 AM EST
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Are you allowed to ridicule, question someone's intelligence, thought process, and grasp of reality while you are working and in uniform? Yes. |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 9:38:13 AM EST
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US Supreme Court agrees.
Smell of Marijuana Enough to Allow Warrantless Home Searches? WASHINGTON… Police officers who smell marijuana coming from an apartment can break down the door and burst in if they have reason to believe this evidence might be destroyed, several Supreme Court's justices suggested Wednesday.
In the past, the high court has said police usually cannot enter a home or apartment without a search warrant because of the 4th Amendment's ban on "unreasonable searches and seizures." But the court's conservatives said during arguments in a drug case Wednesday they favored relaxing that rule when police say they have an urgent need to act fast. Police had banged on the apartment door of Hollis King in Lexington, Ky. about 10 p.m. five years ago after they detected the smell of marijuana. They broke in the door when they heard sounds inside and arrested King for marijuana and cocaine possession. Last year, the Kentucky Supreme Court ruled this search unconstitutional, but the justices sounded as though a majority will reverse that ruling. "Everything done here was perfectly lawful," commented Justice Antonin Scalia. Scalia said the police can't go wrong by knocking loudly on the door. "Criminals are stupid," he said, and they often cooperate with police when they are not required to do so. They might open the door and let officers inside, or if not, the police can break in. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sc-dc-0113-court-search-20110112,0,7017935.story |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 9:39:10 AM EST
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Was this in a personal or LE capacity? Yeah, sounds about right. There were always a few idiots who thought their collar device meant something outside the front gate LE |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 9:43:07 AM EST
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And what was the rank of this none-too-constitutionally-educated Soldier?
Probably E1, E2 or E3, at best. At least, I'd hope no higher than that! ETA: Wait a minute . . ! An officer?!?
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Posted: 3/10/2015 9:43:52 AM EST
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I just told him what he wanted me to do violates the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. He was very agitated with me. His mind had shut down to being reasoned with. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Arrest on a hunch? Lol, no. Tresspass private property to investigate said hunch? He needs more than that. Kick in a door based on his known credibility and basis of knowledge? Not unless you have enough to get a warrant and can define some clear exigency. Please tell me you went into detail with him. I just told him what he wanted me to do violates the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. He was very agitated with me. His mind had shut down to being reasoned with. 
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Posted: 3/10/2015 9:51:28 AM EST
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Are you allowed to ridicule, question someone's intelligence, thought process, and grasp of reality while you are working and in uniform? It is judged and graded. When you max out, you become chief. 
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Posted: 3/10/2015 9:51:46 AM EST
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Please Gove details about what you indicated...you said you saw them in the procession of civilian guns...please give details...were they set up doing traffic stops, inspections? Give us a better idea of what they were doing...city, state, activity, types of guns you could I'D...why in your opinion they had them...is this something that has been going on for a while with/without local LEO blessing...details man...
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Posted: 3/10/2015 9:52:10 AM EST
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And what was the rank of this none-too-constitutionally-educated Soldier? Probably E1, E2 or E3, at best. At least, I'd hope no higher than that! ETA: Wait a minute . . ! An officer?!? You are telling me you are surprised?
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Posted: 3/10/2015 9:55:00 AM EST
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Have run into a couple of those, over the years.
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Posted: 3/10/2015 9:56:41 AM EST
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1) Supreme Court says you can knock on druggy's door -- It's not trespassing.
2) If you smell pot coming from the residence or see evidence of use in plain site, you don't need a warrant. Supreme Court Upholds Exigent-Circumstances Search of Apartment that Smelled of Pot http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/supreme_court_upholds_exigent-circumstances_search_of_apartment_that_smelle/ |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 9:56:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Toss him a left handed salute then walk away. |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 9:58:06 AM EST
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That's a shocking revelation to hear from you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you allowed to ridicule, question someone's intelligence, thought process, and grasp of reality while you are working and in uniform? Oh yes. Did it frequently. That's a shocking revelation to hear from you. 
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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:01:21 AM EST
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I just told him what he wanted me to do violates the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. He was very agitated with me. His mind had shut down to being reasoned with. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Arrest on a hunch? Lol, no. Tresspass private property to investigate said hunch? He needs more than that. Kick in a door based on his known credibility and basis of knowledge? Not unless you have enough to get a warrant and can define some clear exigency. Please tell me you went into detail with him. I just told him what he wanted me to do violates the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. He was very agitated with me. His mind had shut down to being reasoned with. Damn. I was interested due to a previous experience with a commander who thought he had the authority to enter an enlisted man's off post home on his own authority, search without consent and confiscate firearms, "because officer". I moved on before it played out, but the enlisted soldier was able to sue him and I recall some criminal charges coming down. Isolated incident, yes, but pertinent. |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:02:51 AM EST
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Are you allowed to ridicule, question someone's intelligence, thought process, and grasp of reality while you are working and in uniform? Oh yes. Did it frequently. That's a shocking revelation to hear from you. My signature line was " I'll bet that really hurt!"
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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:03:29 AM EST
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There must me a glitch in the matrix. I thought I read this thread a couple of days ago. I should have looked at lottery numbers instead. Weird......
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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:03:37 AM EST
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Military Law enforcement and the court system is shady as fuck.
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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:06:35 AM EST
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C'mon you dirty tease, give us more..... There has to be more. |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:11:51 AM EST
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Please Gove details about what you indicated...you said you saw them in the procession of civilian guns...please give details...were they set up doing traffic stops, inspections? Give us a better idea of what they were doing...city, state, activity, types of guns you could I'D...why in your opinion they had them...is this something that has been going on for a while with/without local LEO blessing...details man... After Katrina I worked private security down there for a few months. There was a military checkpoint at I-10 and Chef Menteur Hwy. It was manned by various military groups on different days. On one day when i was going through the military members manning it were wearing woodland BDU's, jump boots and maroon colored berets. The hummers that were parked at this location had iirc 20-30 wood stocked guns leaned up against them. Under neath the over pass was a picnic table. It had several civie long guns leaned up against it. I have no idea how they came into possession of them. I did not know which military group they belonged to till one of our members here posted about his time in New Orleans and the pictures he posted were an exact match for the uniforms I saw that day. Also they were stationed at the airport just down the road from this location. So i'm very confident it was 82nd troops I saw. The other incident I was guarding a power plant in Chalmette. One day a hummer pulled up to our guard post the man in the passenger seat who I believe to be a major and their group was stationed at the NASA Michoud facility down the road from my location. In the back of this hummer was a dozen or more wood stocked firearms. I don't know how they came into possession of these. |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:13:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Military Law enforcement and the court system is shady as fuck. Let me guess, you still think that Judge Advocates only go to Advanced Training but are not real lawyers... |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:15:23 AM EST
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Damn. I was interested due to a previous experience with a commander who thought he had the authority to enter an enlisted man's off post home on his own authority, search without consent and confiscate firearms, "because officer". I moved on before it played out, but the enlisted soldier was able to sue him and I recall some criminal charges coming down. Isolated incident, yes, but pertinent. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just told him what he wanted me to do violates the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. He was very agitated with me. His mind had shut down to being reasoned with. Damn. I was interested due to a previous experience with a commander who thought he had the authority to enter an enlisted man's off post home on his own authority, search without consent and confiscate firearms, "because officer". I moved on before it played out, but the enlisted soldier was able to sue him and I recall some criminal charges coming down. Isolated incident, yes, but pertinent. To be fair, lots of people demand the same out of us but I thought it to be odd for a military officer to make such a demand. |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:15:45 AM EST
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Military Law enforcement and the court system is shady as fuck. He was not an MP. |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:17:04 AM EST
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Fuck that guy What? I always throw on my EOD uniform when I am out clean clothes to wear, you don't!??! 
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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:17:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1) Supreme Court says you can knock on druggy's door -- It's not trespassing. 2) If you smell pot coming from the residence or see evidence of use in plain site, you don't need a warrant. Supreme Court Upholds Exigent-Circumstances Search of Apartment that Smelled of Pot http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/supreme_court_upholds_exigent-circumstances_search_of_apartment_that_smelle/ |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:17:59 AM EST
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That rankles me.
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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:20:51 AM EST
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It's not just army, it's all officers. They are trained to be that way. Not all of us.
I was told by the biggest ass-kissing, cock-slurping, worthess no-qual of a Major that we would be inspecting our off-base Marines' residences and we could expect a visit from him at our homes. I told him that this was his warning to not tresspass on my property, and if I ever found him at my home he would be detained at gunpoint until I decided to call the cops, and it would be a long bad day for him. Also told him that I was going to tell our junior Marines to do the same. The Military is by necessity a socialist orginization, but that shit don't play at my house. |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:20:54 AM EST
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After Katrina I worked private security down there for a few months. There was a military checkpoint at I-10 and Chef Menteur Hwy. It was manned by various military groups on different days. On one day when i was going through the military members manning it were wearing woodland BDU's, jump boots and maroon colored berets. The hummers that were parked at this location had iirc 20-30 wood stocked guns leaned up against them. Under neath the over pass was a picnic table. It had several civie long guns leaned up against it. I have no idea how they came into possession of them. I did not know which military group they belonged to till one of our members here posted about his time in New Orleans and the pictures he posted were an exact match for the uniforms I saw that day. Also they were stationed at the airport just down the road from this location. So i'm very confident it was 82nd troops I saw. The other incident I was guarding a power plant in Chalmette. One day a hummer pulled up to our guard post the man in the passenger seat who I believe to be a major and their group was stationed at the NASA Michoud facility down the road from my location. In the back of this hummer was a dozen or more wood stocked firearms. I don't know how they came into possession of these. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Please Gove details about what you indicated...you said you saw them in the procession of civilian guns...please give details...were they set up doing traffic stops, inspections? Give us a better idea of what they were doing...city, state, activity, types of guns you could I'D...why in your opinion they had them...is this something that has been going on for a while with/without local LEO blessing...details man... After Katrina I worked private security down there for a few months. There was a military checkpoint at I-10 and Chef Menteur Hwy. It was manned by various military groups on different days. On one day when i was going through the military members manning it were wearing woodland BDU's, jump boots and maroon colored berets. The hummers that were parked at this location had iirc 20-30 wood stocked guns leaned up against them. Under neath the over pass was a picnic table. It had several civie long guns leaned up against it. I have no idea how they came into possession of them. I did not know which military group they belonged to till one of our members here posted about his time in New Orleans and the pictures he posted were an exact match for the uniforms I saw that day. Also they were stationed at the airport just down the road from this location. So i'm very confident it was 82nd troops I saw. The other incident I was guarding a power plant in Chalmette. One day a hummer pulled up to our guard post the man in the passenger seat who I believe to be a major and their group was stationed at the NASA Michoud facility down the road from my location. In the back of this hummer was a dozen or more wood stocked firearms. I don't know how they came into possession of these. Never mind, I see you said private security...I was going to ask, if working as LE, why didn't you inquire about them...but I guess as private security, they'd tell you to fuck off.... |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:21:16 AM EST
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Yeah, there's always "that guy" and a good opportunity to throw this down: <a href="http://s31.photobucket.com/user/familyman357/media/ohyoureinthearmy_zpsa695f369.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c397/familyman357/ohyoureinthearmy_zpsa695f369.jpg</a> Shall I tell you the story of the two Marines that beat up a hooker then set her car on fire? Seems there was a payment dispute. Why did a hooker have a car? Mechanized hooker. |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:29:19 AM EST
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When did the below incident occur? Katrina? Recently?
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He wanted me to arrest people based only on his suspicions no proof of wrong doing, trespass on private property and kick in peoples doors because he believes they are smoking weed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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..orders from them. Details? How/what civil rights did he want you to violate? He wanted me to arrest people based only on his suspicions no proof of wrong doing, trespass on private property and kick in peoples doors because he believes they are smoking weed. |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:35:23 AM EST
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Huh? It is among the most heavily regulated court systems imaginable. It has oversight from non-judicial actors (Convening Authority) and later Civilian Courts (Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces, Supreme Court) and on top of all of that oversight, Congress regularly makes changes to both the UCMJ and the way in which military law is practiced. Let me guess, you still think that Judge Advocates only go to Advanced Training but are not real lawyers... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Military Law enforcement and the court system is shady as fuck. Let me guess, you still think that Judge Advocates only go to Advanced Training but are not real lawyers... Let go of the skin in the game that you have. His statement is true. It is worse when you have O4 level Provosts who homestead. They have the system gamed to perfection. In particular, if they homestead overseas. |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:36:43 AM EST
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..orders from them. Details? How/what civil rights did he want you to violate? He wanted me to arrest people based only on his suspicions no proof of wrong doing, trespass on private property and kick in peoples doors because he believes they are smoking weed. A week ago. |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:38:32 AM EST
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You should have just stood there and yelled in his face "YOU WILL STAND DOWN!!!"
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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:39:02 AM EST
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Just mention "Possies come and take us"
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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:41:15 AM EST
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Are you allowed to ridicule, question someone's intelligence, thought process, and grasp of reality while you are working and in uniform? Yes. 
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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:42:28 AM EST
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..orders from them. Details? How/what civil rights did he want you to violate? He wanted me to arrest people based only on his suspicions no proof of wrong doing, trespass on private property and kick in peoples doors because he believes they are smoking weed. Well, to fair... it starts with weed. Next thing you know, they're listening to jazz and hanging out with black musicians. |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:44:20 AM EST
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..orders from them. Details? How/what civil rights did he want you to violate? He wanted me to arrest people based only on his suspicions no proof of wrong doing, trespass on private property and kick in peoples doors because he believes they are smoking weed. This story just keeps getting better! 
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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:47:26 AM EST
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If you answered, I missed it.
Rank? |
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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:48:39 AM EST
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It's not just army, it's all officers. They are trained to be that way. You know how I know you have no idea how officers are trained? |
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