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Posted: 6/4/2020 8:48:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While I do get to pick the trim, I don't think I'll take a company vehicle seriously off roading.  But I've been told by my boss (my dad) that I'm getting a new bronco when they come out to replace my F150. Because he loves broncos. Whatever, free truck. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Don’t you hate it when adulting gets in the way of fun Longer wheelbase = More fun. While I do get to pick the trim, I don't think I'll take a company vehicle seriously off roading. But I've been told by my boss (my dad) that I'm getting a new bronco when they come out to replace my F150. Because he loves broncos. Whatever, free truck. I thought you had your heart set on a F-250 Tremor? Or, are you buying the F-250 while the company is buying the Bronco? |
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Posted: 6/4/2020 8:49:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think they’re a place to tie limb risers. Pretty handy if so. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What are those weird little accent pieces on the front of the hood? Why are there holes in them? Are they removeable?  https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/bronc-1583933252.jpg?resize=768:* ETA I had the displeasure to rent one of these the last time I was in Hawaii. Those bubbled out lights on each corner were annoying a F.  Giant blind spots.https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/2013_Nissan_Juke_Tekna_1.6.jpg/1200px-2013_Nissan_Juke_Tekna_1.6.jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_88V-ip23gTg/SjGQiVKpm6I/AAAAAAAAAfQ/dE_izn7aat0/s400/horse-blinders.jpg I think they’re a place to tie limb risers. Pretty handy if so. They're multi-purpose tie downs. I think the examples I've heard discussed are long cargo on the roof like canoes. |
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Posted: 6/4/2020 8:52:05 PM EDT
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How does it compare to the Rubicon?
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Posted: 6/4/2020 8:56:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When is the dividend coming back? I doubt we will see another dividend this year. Hopefully next but who knows. |
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Posted: 6/4/2020 8:58:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How does it compare to the Rubicon? I’d wait for the raptor version to answer that one. I would guess lockers F&R, factory lift, larger tires, probably lower diff gearing. Still IFS though, so it’ll never be a direct competitor. |
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Posted: 6/4/2020 9:22:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think they’re a place to tie limb risers. Pretty handy if so. That was my thought. Something to make the overland set happy, lol. |
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Posted: 6/4/2020 11:17:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That was my thought. Something to make the overland set happy, lol. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think they’re a place to tie limb risers. Pretty handy if so. That was my thought. Something to make the overland set happy, lol. I used limb risers long before the O word entered the common vernacular. They aren’t much use in open terrain but in heavy forest the antenna/light/windshield you save just might be your own.
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Posted: 6/4/2020 11:18:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d wait for the raptor version to answer that one. I would guess lockers F&R, factory lift, larger tires, probably lower diff gearing. Still IFS though, so it’ll never be a direct competitor. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How does it compare to the Rubicon? I’d wait for the raptor version to answer that one. I would guess lockers F&R, factory lift, larger tires, probably lower diff gearing. Still IFS though, so it’ll never be a direct competitor. I’ll keep my rubicon. |
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Posted: 6/4/2020 11:37:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought you had your heart set on a F-250 Tremor? Or, are you buying the F-250 while the company is buying the Bronco? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Don’t you hate it when adulting gets in the way of fun Longer wheelbase = More fun. While I do get to pick the trim, I don't think I'll take a company vehicle seriously off roading. But I've been told by my boss (my dad) that I'm getting a new bronco when they come out to replace my F150. Because he loves broncos. Whatever, free truck. I thought you had your heart set on a F-250 Tremor? Or, are you buying the F-250 while the company is buying the Bronco? F350 is personal. Bronco will be company. I always have both for tax reasons. Also different uses. My personal truck only gets 5000-8000 miles a year on it and I use it for *my business* of farming and light excavating / ground clearing. The tremor is really tempting. But I think I need the 11,500lb gvw kit on a SRW. I kinda wanna go dually. But it will have to live outside. Company truck totes my ass around for work. And sits all weekend. 20-25k miles a year. |
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Posted: 6/5/2020 5:39:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I used limb risers long before the O word entered the common vernacular. They aren’t much use in open terrain but in heavy forest the antenna/light/windshield you save just might be your own. I can definitely see the utility, but the only people I've seen run them in the U.S. looked like they were trying to clone some commonwealth bush rig for trips to the dog park. |
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Posted: 6/5/2020 8:24:34 AM EDT
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Quoted: How does it compare to the Rubicon? Well, currently you can buy a rubicon.... |
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Posted: 6/5/2020 6:33:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, currently you can buy a rubicon.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How does it compare to the Rubicon? Well, currently you can buy a rubicon.... 
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Posted: 6/7/2020 12:15:16 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/7/2020 7:00:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI wish they would not have kept cutting away from going over the larger rock obstacles like the ledges in the creek toward the end of the video. Those were legitimate off-roading. Also, did it seem like the driver side back door was dented in? |
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Posted: 6/7/2020 7:17:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d wait for the raptor version to answer that one. I would guess lockers F&R, factory lift, larger tires, probably lower diff gearing. Still IFS though, so it’ll never be a direct competitor. The new Bronco will never have a front locker. |
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Posted: 6/7/2020 7:33:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The new Bronco will never have a front locker. Maybe not but you can see all 4 wheels spinning in the video. |
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Posted: 6/7/2020 9:25:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The new Bronco will never have a front locker. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’d wait for the raptor version to answer that one. I would guess lockers F&R, factory lift, larger tires, probably lower diff gearing. Still IFS though, so it’ll never be a direct competitor. The new Bronco will never have a front locker. You think IFS vehicles can’t have front lockers or something? 
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Posted: 6/7/2020 11:33:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You think IFS vehicles can’t have front lockers or something? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I’d wait for the raptor version to answer that one. I would guess lockers F&R, factory lift, larger tires, probably lower diff gearing. Still IFS though, so it’ll never be a direct competitor. The new Bronco will never have a front locker. You think IFS vehicles can’t have front lockers or something? Like I said earlier in the thread, I don't think you will see an IFS locker offered by Ford. This might be one that could be fitted, depending on how the Bronco is spec'd: https://www.stage3motorsports.com/RD219-2019-2020-Ford-Ranger-ARB-Air-Locker-Locking-Front-Differential-IFS-29-Spline.html ...however, not everyone thinks they are such a good idea: https://www.fourwheeler.com/how-to/transmission-drivetrain/131-0606-front-locking-differentials/ |
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Posted: 6/7/2020 11:37:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like I said earlier in the thread, I don't think you will see an IFS locker offered by Ford. This might be one that could be fitted, depending on how the Bronco is spec'd: https://www.stage3motorsports.com/RD219-2019-2020-Ford-Ranger-ARB-Air-Locker-Locking-Front-Differential-IFS-29-Spline.html ...however, not everyone thinks they are such a good idea: https://www.fourwheeler.com/how-to/transmission-drivetrain/131-0606-front-locking-differentials/ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I’d wait for the raptor version to answer that one. I would guess lockers F&R, factory lift, larger tires, probably lower diff gearing. Still IFS though, so it’ll never be a direct competitor. The new Bronco will never have a front locker. You think IFS vehicles can’t have front lockers or something? Like I said earlier in the thread, I don't think you will see an IFS locker offered by Ford. This might be one that could be fitted, depending on how the Bronco is spec'd: https://www.stage3motorsports.com/RD219-2019-2020-Ford-Ranger-ARB-Air-Locker-Locking-Front-Differential-IFS-29-Spline.html ...however, not everyone thinks they are such a good idea: https://www.fourwheeler.com/how-to/transmission-drivetrain/131-0606-front-locking-differentials/ I agree it’s not a given that ford will offer it, they may offer a Torsen LSD, or nothing and just stick with open front diff. The electronic traction control modes are garbage, using differential braking to rob torque to pseudo “lock” an open diff is a shitty alternative to a true locker or even an LSD. |
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Posted: 6/7/2020 11:48:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryGood to know that it will go through a mud puddle. 
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Posted: 6/7/2020 11:56:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree it’s not a given that ford will offer it, they may offer a Torsen LSD, or nothing and just stick with open front diff. The electronic traction control modes are garbage, using differential braking to rob torque to pseudo “lock” an open diff is a shitty alternative to a true locker or even an LSD. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I’d wait for the raptor version to answer that one. I would guess lockers F&R, factory lift, larger tires, probably lower diff gearing. Still IFS though, so it’ll never be a direct competitor. The new Bronco will never have a front locker. You think IFS vehicles can’t have front lockers or something? Like I said earlier in the thread, I don't think you will see an IFS locker offered by Ford. This might be one that could be fitted, depending on how the Bronco is spec'd: https://www.stage3motorsports.com/RD219-2019-2020-Ford-Ranger-ARB-Air-Locker-Locking-Front-Differential-IFS-29-Spline.html ...however, not everyone thinks they are such a good idea: https://www.fourwheeler.com/how-to/transmission-drivetrain/131-0606-front-locking-differentials/ I agree it’s not a given that ford will offer it, they may offer a Torsen LSD, or nothing and just stick with open front diff. The electronic traction control modes are garbage, using differential braking to rob torque to pseudo “lock” an open diff is a shitty alternative to a true locker or even an LSD. Let's hope for at least some kind of LSD on the front. I had high hopes that Ford was really going to go after the Wrangler, and initially I thought that would include off-road capability. I love my Wrangler, but I want to see competition to improve the breed. AFAIK, nobody outside of Ford has gotten their hands on a new Bronco to really see what they can do, so maybe t will be really good. (hoping) |
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Posted: 6/7/2020 12:33:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let's hope for at least some kind of LSD on the front. I had high hopes that Ford was really going to go after the Wrangler, and initially I thought that would include off-road capability. I love my Wrangler, but I want to see competition to improve the breed. AFAIK, nobody outside of Ford has gotten their hands on a new Bronco to really see what they can do, so maybe t will be really good. (hoping) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I’d wait for the raptor version to answer that one. I would guess lockers F&R, factory lift, larger tires, probably lower diff gearing. Still IFS though, so it’ll never be a direct competitor. The new Bronco will never have a front locker. You think IFS vehicles can’t have front lockers or something? Like I said earlier in the thread, I don't think you will see an IFS locker offered by Ford. This might be one that could be fitted, depending on how the Bronco is spec'd: https://www.stage3motorsports.com/RD219-2019-2020-Ford-Ranger-ARB-Air-Locker-Locking-Front-Differential-IFS-29-Spline.html ...however, not everyone thinks they are such a good idea: https://www.fourwheeler.com/how-to/transmission-drivetrain/131-0606-front-locking-differentials/ I agree it’s not a given that ford will offer it, they may offer a Torsen LSD, or nothing and just stick with open front diff. The electronic traction control modes are garbage, using differential braking to rob torque to pseudo “lock” an open diff is a shitty alternative to a true locker or even an LSD. Let's hope for at least some kind of LSD on the front. I had high hopes that Ford was really going to go after the Wrangler, and initially I thought that would include off-road capability. I love my Wrangler, but I want to see competition to improve the breed. AFAIK, nobody outside of Ford has gotten their hands on a new Bronco to really see what they can do, so maybe t will be really good. (hoping) I would be surprised to see any locker or lsd up front until they offer a “Raptor” version, maybe a rear locker only in an FX4 trim, same as the ranger. |
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Posted: 6/7/2020 1:14:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would be surprised to see any locker or lsd up front until they offer a “Raptor” version, maybe a rear locker only in an FX4 trim, same as the ranger. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I’d wait for the raptor version to answer that one. I would guess lockers F&R, factory lift, larger tires, probably lower diff gearing. Still IFS though, so it’ll never be a direct competitor. The new Bronco will never have a front locker. You think IFS vehicles can’t have front lockers or something? Like I said earlier in the thread, I don't think you will see an IFS locker offered by Ford. This might be one that could be fitted, depending on how the Bronco is spec'd: https://www.stage3motorsports.com/RD219-2019-2020-Ford-Ranger-ARB-Air-Locker-Locking-Front-Differential-IFS-29-Spline.html ...however, not everyone thinks they are such a good idea: https://www.fourwheeler.com/how-to/transmission-drivetrain/131-0606-front-locking-differentials/ I agree it’s not a given that ford will offer it, they may offer a Torsen LSD, or nothing and just stick with open front diff. The electronic traction control modes are garbage, using differential braking to rob torque to pseudo “lock” an open diff is a shitty alternative to a true locker or even an LSD. Let's hope for at least some kind of LSD on the front. I had high hopes that Ford was really going to go after the Wrangler, and initially I thought that would include off-road capability. I love my Wrangler, but I want to see competition to improve the breed. AFAIK, nobody outside of Ford has gotten their hands on a new Bronco to really see what they can do, so maybe t will be really good. (hoping) I would be surprised to see any locker or lsd up front until they offer a “Raptor” version, maybe a rear locker only in an FX4 trim, same as the ranger. That sounds kind of contradictory to me. The Raptor is kind of a high speed desert runner type of vehicle designed for open spaces and trails. Lockers are something I associate more with lower speed crawling type situations. |
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Posted: 6/7/2020 1:16:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would be surprised to see any locker or lsd up front until they offer a “Raptor” version, maybe a rear locker only in an FX4 trim, same as the ranger. I don't follow Ford closely enough to have any sense of how they arrange their trim levels, so you may well be right. Does Ford usually release all trims of a new model at one time? Or, might they release only, say, a base trim and a fancy/luxury trim, and not release an off-road trim until a year or two later? Consider that the Jeep Wrangler only offers lockers and electronically disconnecting swaybars on their top trim - the Rubicon. Sometimes, they'll have a special edition where you can get a rear locker, but AFAIK never both front and rear. A lot of people don't care and want to build their own. More power to them, but OEM with a factory warranty is attractive to a lot of people. |
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Posted: 6/7/2020 1:25:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That sounds kind of contradictory to me. The Raptor is kind of a high speed desert runner type of vehicle designed for open spaces and trails. Lockers are something I associate more with lower speed crawling type situations. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I’d wait for the raptor version to answer that one. I would guess lockers F&R, factory lift, larger tires, probably lower diff gearing. Still IFS though, so it’ll never be a direct competitor. The new Bronco will never have a front locker. You think IFS vehicles can’t have front lockers or something? Like I said earlier in the thread, I don't think you will see an IFS locker offered by Ford. This might be one that could be fitted, depending on how the Bronco is spec'd: https://www.stage3motorsports.com/RD219-2019-2020-Ford-Ranger-ARB-Air-Locker-Locking-Front-Differential-IFS-29-Spline.html ...however, not everyone thinks they are such a good idea: https://www.fourwheeler.com/how-to/transmission-drivetrain/131-0606-front-locking-differentials/ I agree it’s not a given that ford will offer it, they may offer a Torsen LSD, or nothing and just stick with open front diff. The electronic traction control modes are garbage, using differential braking to rob torque to pseudo “lock” an open diff is a shitty alternative to a true locker or even an LSD. Let's hope for at least some kind of LSD on the front. I had high hopes that Ford was really going to go after the Wrangler, and initially I thought that would include off-road capability. I love my Wrangler, but I want to see competition to improve the breed. AFAIK, nobody outside of Ford has gotten their hands on a new Bronco to really see what they can do, so maybe t will be really good. (hoping) I would be surprised to see any locker or lsd up front until they offer a “Raptor” version, maybe a rear locker only in an FX4 trim, same as the ranger. That sounds kind of contradictory to me. The Raptor is kind of a high speed desert runner type of vehicle designed for open spaces and trails. Lockers are something I associate more with lower speed crawling type situations. Trophy trucks run spools in the rear and a variation of an LSD up front. Yes the raptor is a wannabe “prerunner” styled truck, but it’s their most expensive and capable model, akin to the rubicon trim in the wrangler. The ranger raptor does run a rear locker (overseas) but an open front diff, I’d expect the same from the bronco. The large tires, increased suspension travel and lower gearing would be nice even with an open front diff. Lockers aren’t only for crawling, they are good for any traction limited situation, sand, mud, etc. |
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Posted: 6/7/2020 1:36:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: F350 is personal. Bronco will be company. I always have both for tax reasons. Also different uses. My personal truck only gets 5000-8000 miles a year on it and I use it for *my business* of farming and light excavating / ground clearing. The tremor is really tempting. But I think I need the 11,500lb gvw kit on a SRW. I kinda wanna go dually. But it will have to live outside. Company truck totes my ass around for work. And sits all weekend. 20-25k miles a year. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Don’t you hate it when adulting gets in the way of fun Longer wheelbase = More fun. While I do get to pick the trim, I don't think I'll take a company vehicle seriously off roading. But I've been told by my boss (my dad) that I'm getting a new bronco when they come out to replace my F150. Because he loves broncos. Whatever, free truck. I thought you had your heart set on a F-250 Tremor? Or, are you buying the F-250 while the company is buying the Bronco? F350 is personal. Bronco will be company. I always have both for tax reasons. Also different uses. My personal truck only gets 5000-8000 miles a year on it and I use it for *my business* of farming and light excavating / ground clearing. The tremor is really tempting. But I think I need the 11,500lb gvw kit on a SRW. I kinda wanna go dually. But it will have to live outside. Company truck totes my ass around for work. And sits all weekend. 20-25k miles a year. Carli suspension and your own wheel/tire combo going to tow better and be better off road. |
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Posted: 6/7/2020 1:57:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trophy trucks run spools in the rear and a variation of an LSD up front. Yes the raptor is a wannabe “prerunner” styled truck, but it’s their most expensive and capable model, akin to the rubicon trim in the wrangler. The ranger raptor does run a rear locker (overseas) but an open front diff, I’d expect the same from the bronco. The large tires, increased suspension travel and lower gearing would be nice even with an open front diff. Lockers aren’t only for crawling, they are good for any traction limited situation, sand, mud, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I’d wait for the raptor version to answer that one. I would guess lockers F&R, factory lift, larger tires, probably lower diff gearing. Still IFS though, so it’ll never be a direct competitor. The new Bronco will never have a front locker. You think IFS vehicles can’t have front lockers or something? Like I said earlier in the thread, I don't think you will see an IFS locker offered by Ford. This might be one that could be fitted, depending on how the Bronco is spec'd: https://www.stage3motorsports.com/RD219-2019-2020-Ford-Ranger-ARB-Air-Locker-Locking-Front-Differential-IFS-29-Spline.html ...however, not everyone thinks they are such a good idea: https://www.fourwheeler.com/how-to/transmission-drivetrain/131-0606-front-locking-differentials/ I agree it’s not a given that ford will offer it, they may offer a Torsen LSD, or nothing and just stick with open front diff. The electronic traction control modes are garbage, using differential braking to rob torque to pseudo “lock” an open diff is a shitty alternative to a true locker or even an LSD. Let's hope for at least some kind of LSD on the front. I had high hopes that Ford was really going to go after the Wrangler, and initially I thought that would include off-road capability. I love my Wrangler, but I want to see competition to improve the breed. AFAIK, nobody outside of Ford has gotten their hands on a new Bronco to really see what they can do, so maybe t will be really good. (hoping) I would be surprised to see any locker or lsd up front until they offer a “Raptor” version, maybe a rear locker only in an FX4 trim, same as the ranger. That sounds kind of contradictory to me. The Raptor is kind of a high speed desert runner type of vehicle designed for open spaces and trails. Lockers are something I associate more with lower speed crawling type situations. Trophy trucks run spools in the rear and a variation of an LSD up front. Yes the raptor is a wannabe “prerunner” styled truck, but it’s their most expensive and capable model, akin to the rubicon trim in the wrangler. The ranger raptor does run a rear locker (overseas) but an open front diff, I’d expect the same from the bronco. The large tires, increased suspension travel and lower gearing would be nice even with an open front diff. Lockers aren’t only for crawling, they are good for any traction limited situation, sand, mud, etc. Damn near every kind of racing runs lockers or spools in the rear even a lot of drag cars. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 11:26:20 AM EDT
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TFL got their hands on some big leaks.
Here's the 7 speed manual with a crawler gear:  Here are controls for a sway bar disconnect as well as rear and FRONT lockers:  IFS is confirmed as is the 2.3L EB. TFL got their dicks slapped for publishing this... "*UPDATE 6/11/2020: Since we posted this story, Ford has disinvited TFL from the upcoming reveal events for the Bronco and F-150. As a result, we will not be covering those models as we originally intended, but do have another update coming very soon, so stay tuned!" More photos and details at the link: https://www.tflcar.com/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-more-manual-details/ |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 11:30:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: TFL got their hands on some big leaks. Here's the 7 speed manual with a crawler gear: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-manual-transmission-7-speed-1024x924.jpg Here are controls for a sway bar disconnect as well as rear and FRONT lockers: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/bronco-switches-1024x634.jpg IFS is confirmed as is the 2.3L EB. TFL got their dicks slapped for publishing this... "*UPDATE 6/11/2020: Since we posted this story, Ford has disinvited TFL from the upcoming reveal events for the Bronco and F-150. As a result, we will not be covering those models as we originally intended, but do have another update coming very soon, so stay tuned!" More photos and details at the link: https://www.tflcar.com/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-more-manual-details/ Aaaaaand that's the end of the 4Runner. ETA: Toyota is absolutely capable of designing the 6th gen to compete with this, but they won't. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 11:31:18 AM EDT
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Follow 2021Bronco_ on instagram for all of the updates on the 2021 Bronco my son and I are building. It will be ready for the September Gambler 500 in Tennessee
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Posted: 6/11/2020 11:43:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aaaaaand that's the end of the 4Runner. ETA: Toyota is absolutely capable of designing the 6th gen to compete with this, but they won't. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: TFL got their hands on some big leaks. Here's the 7 speed manual with a crawler gear: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-manual-transmission-7-speed-1024x924.jpg Here are controls for a sway bar disconnect as well as rear and FRONT lockers: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/bronco-switches-1024x634.jpg IFS is confirmed as is the 2.3L EB. TFL got their dicks slapped for publishing this... "*UPDATE 6/11/2020: Since we posted this story, Ford has disinvited TFL from the upcoming reveal events for the Bronco and F-150. As a result, we will not be covering those models as we originally intended, but do have another update coming very soon, so stay tuned!" More photos and details at the link: https://www.tflcar.com/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-more-manual-details/ Aaaaaand that's the end of the 4Runner. ETA: Toyota is absolutely capable of designing the 6th gen to compete with this, but they won't. This thing gonna steal alot of Jeep thunder as well . Im sure this was Fords plan all along . |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 11:47:10 AM EDT
[#32]
Wanted to like it, but that front end is horrible.
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Posted: 6/11/2020 11:50:05 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Aaaaaand that's the end of the 4Runner. ETA: Toyota is absolutely capable of designing the 6th gen to compete with this, but they won't. Why would they? They’re still getting insane money for an outdated design. TC |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 12:00:48 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Aaaaaand that's the end of the 4Runner. ETA: Toyota is absolutely capable of designing the 6th gen to compete with this, but they won't. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: TFL got their hands on some big leaks. Here's the 7 speed manual with a crawler gear: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-manual-transmission-7-speed-1024x924.jpg Here are controls for a sway bar disconnect as well as rear and FRONT lockers: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/bronco-switches-1024x634.jpg IFS is confirmed as is the 2.3L EB. TFL got their dicks slapped for publishing this... "*UPDATE 6/11/2020: Since we posted this story, Ford has disinvited TFL from the upcoming reveal events for the Bronco and F-150. As a result, we will not be covering those models as we originally intended, but do have another update coming very soon, so stay tuned!" More photos and details at the link: https://www.tflcar.com/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-more-manual-details/ Aaaaaand that's the end of the 4Runner. ETA: Toyota is absolutely capable of designing the 6th gen to compete with this, but they won't. I'm not sure I'd go that far. The 4Runner enjoys a reputation for being a very high quality and reliable vehicle, and it doesn't have the massive capability drawbacks its pickup truck siblings have compared to their competitors. The biggest question for the next gen 4Runner is what will be under the hood. The existing engine won't be carried over. The Tacoma's drivetrain isn't very popular and would likely be even worse in the 4Runner, but I'm not sure I see it getting the 3.5L turbo that's rumored/planned for the Tundra. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 12:08:16 PM EDT
[#35]
.... Gotta admit, I really want one now.
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Posted: 6/11/2020 12:08:30 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryThat's gotta be a great way to spend the day; driving a protoype Bronco into every off-road obstacle & situation available to see what happens, try to break stuff, try to stick it in the mud. Great day!! Cool vid. For me, the Gladiator offers just a bit more utility with the open bed. Realistically, I traded off a Tacoma for the FJ because I wasn't using the open bed and wanted a fully enclosed cargo area and seating. Good to see the Bronco return. Always liked them, very handy durable vehicles that had so much utility value in so many situations. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 12:12:39 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: TFL got their hands on some big leaks. Here's the 7 speed manual with a crawler gear: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-manual-transmission-7-speed-1024x924.jpg Here are controls for a sway bar disconnect as well as rear and FRONT lockers: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/bronco-switches-1024x634.jpg IFS is confirmed as is the 2.3L EB. TFL got their dicks slapped for publishing this... "*UPDATE 6/11/2020: Since we posted this story, Ford has disinvited TFL from the upcoming reveal events for the Bronco and F-150. As a result, we will not be covering those models as we originally intended, but do have another update coming very soon, so stay tuned!" More photos and details at the link: https://www.tflcar.com/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-more-manual-details/ Daaaamn! If that’s all true these bastards might finally get my miserly self to buy my first new vehicle. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 12:15:17 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought you had your heart set on a F-250 Tremor? Or, are you buying the F-250 while the company is buying the Bronco? the 250 is a much better write off. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 12:16:49 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: the 250 is a much better write off. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I thought you had your heart set on a F-250 Tremor? Or, are you buying the F-250 while the company is buying the Bronco? the 250 is a much better write off. The company has more than enough write offs. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 12:25:12 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: TFL got their hands on some big leaks. Here's the 7 speed manual with a crawler gear: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-manual-transmission-7-speed-1024x924.jpg Here are controls for a sway bar disconnect as well as rear and FRONT lockers: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/bronco-switches-1024x634.jpg IFS is confirmed as is the 2.3L EB. TFL got their dicks slapped for publishing this... "*UPDATE 6/11/2020: Since we posted this story, Ford has disinvited TFL from the upcoming reveal events for the Bronco and F-150. As a result, we will not be covering those models as we originally intended, but do have another update coming very soon, so stay tuned!" More photos and details at the link: https://www.tflcar.com/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-more-manual-details/ That just made me mildly hard. This is coming from a jeep guy. If this stuff proves to be true jeep is gonna have a competitor. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 12:26:01 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree it’s not a given that ford will offer it, they may offer a Torsen LSD, or nothing and just stick with open front diff. The electronic traction control modes are garbage, using differential braking to rob torque to pseudo “lock” an open diff is a shitty alternative to a true locker or even an LSD. While I would agree that a locker is better, I have been nothing but impressed with the ATRAC traction control in my 4Runner. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 12:29:05 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure I'd go that far. The 4Runner enjoys a reputation for being a very high quality and reliable vehicle, and it doesn't have the massive capability drawbacks its pickup truck siblings have compared to their competitors. The biggest question for the next gen 4Runner is what will be under the hood. The existing engine won't be carried over. The Tacoma's drivetrain isn't very popular and would likely be even worse in the 4Runner, but I'm not sure I see it getting the 3.5L turbo that's rumored/planned for the Tundra. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: TFL got their hands on some big leaks. Here's the 7 speed manual with a crawler gear: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-manual-transmission-7-speed-1024x924.jpg Here are controls for a sway bar disconnect as well as rear and FRONT lockers: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/bronco-switches-1024x634.jpg IFS is confirmed as is the 2.3L EB. TFL got their dicks slapped for publishing this... "*UPDATE 6/11/2020: Since we posted this story, Ford has disinvited TFL from the upcoming reveal events for the Bronco and F-150. As a result, we will not be covering those models as we originally intended, but do have another update coming very soon, so stay tuned!" More photos and details at the link: https://www.tflcar.com/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-more-manual-details/ Aaaaaand that's the end of the 4Runner. ETA: Toyota is absolutely capable of designing the 6th gen to compete with this, but they won't. I'm not sure I'd go that far. The 4Runner enjoys a reputation for being a very high quality and reliable vehicle, and it doesn't have the massive capability drawbacks its pickup truck siblings have compared to their competitors. The biggest question for the next gen 4Runner is what will be under the hood. The existing engine won't be carried over. The Tacoma's drivetrain isn't very popular and would likely be even worse in the 4Runner, but I'm not sure I see it getting the 3.5L turbo that's rumored/planned for the Tundra. I guess I just don't see where it fits in the market now. Hardcore off-roaders almost always went for a Jeep anyway, now they'll have the new Bronco as a legitimate alternative instead of looking to the 4Runner. The guys chasing Instagram clicks are gonna snatch up the Bronco no matter what since it's now the new-hotness. All the die-hard Toyota fans probably already bought theirs over the last 10 years and with the lack of updates there's no real reason for them to buy new ones. When they designed the 3rd Gen Tacoma they phoned it in because they knew it had no viable competition and people would buy it just because it was a Toyota. They probably could have gotten away with doing that with the 6th Gen 4Runner until Ford decided to build a proper Bronco. ETA: I love my 2015 4Runner, but if I could afford it I would absolutely look into trading it for a new Bronco. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 12:33:47 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Aaaaaand that's the end of the 4Runner. ETA: Toyota is absolutely capable of designing the 6th gen to compete with this, but they won't. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: TFL got their hands on some big leaks. Here's the 7 speed manual with a crawler gear: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-manual-transmission-7-speed-1024x924.jpg Here are controls for a sway bar disconnect as well as rear and FRONT lockers: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/bronco-switches-1024x634.jpg IFS is confirmed as is the 2.3L EB. TFL got their dicks slapped for publishing this... "*UPDATE 6/11/2020: Since we posted this story, Ford has disinvited TFL from the upcoming reveal events for the Bronco and F-150. As a result, we will not be covering those models as we originally intended, but do have another update coming very soon, so stay tuned!" More photos and details at the link: https://www.tflcar.com/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-more-manual-details/ Aaaaaand that's the end of the 4Runner. ETA: Toyota is absolutely capable of designing the 6th gen to compete with this, but they won't. Good, maybe I'll be able to get a fucking 4Runner under $40k. The thing is so basic is straight retarded they sell so high. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 12:40:24 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: TFL got their hands on some big leaks. Here's the 7 speed manual with a crawler gear: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-manual-transmission-7-speed-1024x924.jpg Here are controls for a sway bar disconnect as well as rear and FRONT lockers: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/bronco-switches-1024x634.jpg IFS is confirmed as is the 2.3L EB. TFL got their dicks slapped for publishing this... "*UPDATE 6/11/2020: Since we posted this story, Ford has disinvited TFL from the upcoming reveal events for the Bronco and F-150. As a result, we will not be covering those models as we originally intended, but do have another update coming very soon, so stay tuned!" More photos and details at the link: https://www.tflcar.com/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-more-manual-details/  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 12:41:28 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess I just don't see where it fits in the market now. Hardcore off-roaders almost always went for a Jeep anyway, now they'll have the new Bronco as a legitimate alternative instead of looking to the 4Runner. The guys chasing Instagram clicks are gonna snatch up the Bronco no matter what since it's now the new-hotness. All the die-hard Toyota fans probably already bought theirs over the last 10 years and with the lack of updates there's no real reason for them to buy new ones. When they designed the 3rd Gen Tacoma they phoned it in because they knew it had no viable competition and people would buy it just because it was a Toyota. They probably could have gotten away with doing that with the 6th Gen 4Runner until Ford decided to build a proper Bronco. ETA: I love my 2015 4Runner, but if I could afford it I would absolutely look into trading it for a new Bronco. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: TFL got their hands on some big leaks. Here's the 7 speed manual with a crawler gear: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-manual-transmission-7-speed-1024x924.jpg Here are controls for a sway bar disconnect as well as rear and FRONT lockers: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/bronco-switches-1024x634.jpg IFS is confirmed as is the 2.3L EB. TFL got their dicks slapped for publishing this... "*UPDATE 6/11/2020: Since we posted this story, Ford has disinvited TFL from the upcoming reveal events for the Bronco and F-150. As a result, we will not be covering those models as we originally intended, but do have another update coming very soon, so stay tuned!" More photos and details at the link: https://www.tflcar.com/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-more-manual-details/ Aaaaaand that's the end of the 4Runner. ETA: Toyota is absolutely capable of designing the 6th gen to compete with this, but they won't. I'm not sure I'd go that far. The 4Runner enjoys a reputation for being a very high quality and reliable vehicle, and it doesn't have the massive capability drawbacks its pickup truck siblings have compared to their competitors. The biggest question for the next gen 4Runner is what will be under the hood. The existing engine won't be carried over. The Tacoma's drivetrain isn't very popular and would likely be even worse in the 4Runner, but I'm not sure I see it getting the 3.5L turbo that's rumored/planned for the Tundra. I guess I just don't see where it fits in the market now. Hardcore off-roaders almost always went for a Jeep anyway, now they'll have the new Bronco as a legitimate alternative instead of looking to the 4Runner. The guys chasing Instagram clicks are gonna snatch up the Bronco no matter what since it's now the new-hotness. All the die-hard Toyota fans probably already bought theirs over the last 10 years and with the lack of updates there's no real reason for them to buy new ones. When they designed the 3rd Gen Tacoma they phoned it in because they knew it had no viable competition and people would buy it just because it was a Toyota. They probably could have gotten away with doing that with the 6th Gen 4Runner until Ford decided to build a proper Bronco. ETA: I love my 2015 4Runner, but if I could afford it I would absolutely look into trading it for a new Bronco. The Tacoma is good context for this conversation. The 3rd gen Tacoma launched on the wrong foot, the drivetrain is unpopular, and it lags most of the segment in both capabilities and features. Despite all of that, it's still by far the best selling vehicle in that segment, and it's probably still the safest bet. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 1:22:46 PM EDT
[#46]
I watched TFL's video so you don't have to. It's probably not worth watching all 18 minutes unless you're that bored.
The biggest technical tidbit I saw in the video that we haven't covered is that at least one trim gets tires that are 305/70R17s. That calculates to roughly 34" in diameter and 12" wide with 8.4" of sidewall. The other point of note is that the Bronco appears to be getting the same infotainment and HVAC stack we've seen leaked for the 14th gen F-150. The Bronco picture is dark and grainy, so here's the F-150: 
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Posted: 6/11/2020 1:32:43 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: TFL got their hands on some big leaks. Here's the 7 speed manual with a crawler gear: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-manual-transmission-7-speed-1024x924.jpg Here are controls for a sway bar disconnect as well as rear and FRONT lockers: https://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/bronco-switches-1024x634.jpg IFS is confirmed as is the 2.3L EB. TFL got their dicks slapped for publishing this... "*UPDATE 6/11/2020: Since we posted this story, Ford has disinvited TFL from the upcoming reveal events for the Bronco and F-150. As a result, we will not be covering those models as we originally intended, but do have another update coming very soon, so stay tuned!" More photos and details at the link: https://www.tflcar.com/2020/06/2021-ford-bronco-more-manual-details/ I've been on the fence since the start but now I want one. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 1:34:32 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wanted to like it, but that front end is horrible. Not the greatest but better than Toyota's catfish with Down's syndrome grille. I'll be slapping an aftermarket bumper and grille guard on it anyway. |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 1:38:47 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I watched TFL's video so you don't have to. It's probably not worth watching all 18 minutes unless you're that bored. The biggest technical tidbit I saw in the video that we haven't covered is that at least one trim gets tires that are 305/70R17s. That calculates to roughly 34" in diameter and 12" wide with 8.4" of sidewall. The other point of note is that the Bronco appears to be getting the same infotainment and HVAC stack we've seen leaked for the 14th gen F-150. The Bronco picture is dark and grainy, so here's the F-150: https://the-drive-3.imgix.net/https%3A%2F%2Fapi.thedrive.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F04%2FFord-Interior-Spy-Shot-Hero-1.jpg%3Fquality%3D85?w=1440&auto=compress%2Cformat&ixlib=js-1.4.1&s=445dc7f1849505fbfd548ca076d147c2 That's one of the two things I wish I'd have gotten when I bought mine in '11. The other is 4WD. Next time, though..... |
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Posted: 6/11/2020 2:05:29 PM EDT
[#50]
I have to admit, I have loved all the "but IFS" and "jeeps can get front lockers". If these leaks are true, Ford has really come through on this thing. I get that some may not like the looks, but it appears Ford may be doing a good job of melding 4x4 capability with modern tech. That will be a big winner.
I would make a comment about price, but it really wont matter. Ppl are lining up to buy $40-50k jeeps, so as long as this thing doesnt crush past that, price wont matter. |
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