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Posted: 12/12/2021 10:24:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Other cartridges do better for cheaper Hell were there any production rifles other the M1 carbines/clones chambered in it? I only know of a handful of pistols Marlin Model 62 Levermatic, offered in two chamberings; .30 carbine and .256 Winchester Magnum. They talked about adding .357 (which might have actually sold enough to justify keeping it in production), but to the best of my knowledge, never made any. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 10:27:27 AM EDT
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It would definitely NOT be a hot seller. At all.
I can't really think of much reason for it to exist, either. However, if it's something that you think you want, building one wouldn't be insurmountable. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 10:27:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/139707/IMG-0260-258303.jpg My Grandfather, pride of the 94th, somewhere in Europe '44/'45 with his M1 carbine. Gramps on the left. His best buddy, James Madison Chase, AKA Calhoon, from Rensselaer New York on the right. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A .30 carbine that weighs 2 pounds more than an M1 carbine. It will sell like something that sells poorly. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/139707/IMG-0260-258303.jpg My Grandfather, pride of the 94th, somewhere in Europe '44/'45 with his M1 carbine. Gramps on the left. His best buddy, James Madison Chase, AKA Calhoon, from Rensselaer New York on the right. Gramps told me he was originally issued an M1 Garand. As an ammunition and pioneers guy in the headquarters company hauling shit plus a big ass rifle didn't light his fire. When the chance to get the M1 carbine came around he jumped at it simply from a "not having to haul as much shit" perspective. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 10:38:10 AM EDT
[#4]
I think Olympic arms made a .30 carbine AR that took the m1carbine mags
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Posted: 12/12/2021 10:52:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only a hobbist would do this. It would be a money losing endeavor for any company to attempt something this. Think about R&D and profits/sales analysis. If I ran a gun manufacturing co. and someone comes to me with this idea he would be fired on the spot. Also, there are AR 9mm and 300 blackout so it would make a .30 Carbine AR pointless after R&D. You sound like the management at Colt. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 11:15:00 AM EDT
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Personally, I think a decent quality new production M1 Carbine that's USGI spec would be a better seller than a AR chambered in .30 Carbine.
The Auto Ordnance and "New Inland" suffer from QC issues, and the Fulton Armory models run $2000 bucks because their custom built. Bring a USGI spec Carbine out in the $1200-1400 dollar range and it would sell better than a AR chambered in the caliber. Anyone thinks I'm nuts just look at Springfield Armory and the SA-35. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 11:16:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You sound like the management at Colt. So, OP, what's the highest you've bid on an old Olympic in .30 Carbine on Gunbroker so far? |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 11:17:21 AM EDT
[#8]
Cuz .300 blackout
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Posted: 12/12/2021 11:18:34 AM EDT
[#9]
Why don't they make an AR in .30-40 Krag?
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Posted: 12/12/2021 11:21:13 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 30 Carbine is an excellent cartridge. In a M1 carbine I think it is fine. But it is very limited in the grand scheme of things. Basically there is no ammo available and even in normal times there is very little available. Add into that there is no variety available. I will be contrarian…I want an M1 carbine in .300 blackout…with better mags. ;) |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 11:21:17 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why don't they make an AR in .30-40 Krag? 
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Posted: 12/12/2021 11:22:44 AM EDT
[#12]
I’d much rather just shoot my m1 carbine, I don’t think anyone would buy that dopey thing you are proposing.
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Posted: 12/12/2021 11:23:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At this time, you'd be happier running a 300BO I'm surprised it took this long for this obvious fact to surface. The AR15 with a barrel change to 300BO gets you 30-cal with more velocity, more energy, and the same magazines available everywhere. While I think the 30-cal carbine is an awesome, fun, rifle, it loses to the 300BO in nearly every category if you stuff the old cartridge in an AR platform. The cool thing about the old carbine is the gun itself. The caliber is just relatively decent. Not pissing on the 30-cal carbine...just not going to be "all that" in an AR. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 11:27:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Personally, I think a decent quality new production M1 Carbine that's USGI spec would be a better seller than a AR chambered in .30 Carbine. The Auto Ordnance and "New Inland" suffer from QC issues, and the Fulton Armory models run $2000 bucks because their custom built. Bring a USGI spec Carbine out in the $1200-1400 dollar range and it would sell better than a AR chambered in the caliber. Anyone thinks I'm nuts just look at Springfield Armory and the SA-35. Quote HistoryQuoted: Personally, I think a decent quality new production M1 Carbine that's USGI spec would be a better seller than a AR chambered in .30 Carbine. The Auto Ordnance and "New Inland" suffer from QC issues, and the Fulton Armory models run $2000 bucks because their custom built. Bring a USGI spec Carbine out in the $1200-1400 dollar range and it would sell better than a AR chambered in the caliber. Anyone thinks I'm nuts just look at Springfield Armory and the SA-35. Lol. Fulton Armory ARE GI spec, down to the forged receivers. That's what it costs to build carbines to the original spec today, which hasn't been done since the 40's. Auto Ordnance & Inland suffer from more than QC issues - they fucked up the length of the bolt: http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_kahr.html The dimensions of various parts used by Auto-Ordnance are not the same as their GI counterparts. Their carbines lack most of the finish machining required by the specifications that produced the original carbines during WWII. Some surplus GI parts may appear to fit and operate properly but may not work during actual firing. If you replace the Auto-Ordnance bolt with a surplus GI bolt or any bolt other than those made for Auto-Ordnance or the current Inland Manufacturing for your safety and the safety of others be sure to have the headspace checked. The bolts used by Auto-Ordnance are slightly longer than the original GI bolts. The dimensions of the bolt lugs are not the same as those of a surplus GI bolt. A new Inland or Kahr's Auto Ordnance carbine is like buying a late Universal - looks similar to a US carbine, but takes proprietary parts. Bolts and stocks are not GI dimensioned. For the money, get a GI beater & upgrade over time, an early Universal or Plainfield & replace parts w/ GI over time, etc. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 11:33:21 AM EDT
[#15]
Why hasn’t anyone made a revolver that shoots 556?
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Posted: 12/12/2021 11:38:28 AM EDT
[#16]
I want a Lewis Gun in .30-30.
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Posted: 12/12/2021 11:40:51 AM EDT
[#17]
I love the .30 carbine cartridge, and I'd like to have a semiauto pistol (that's not an AMT) to shoot it. I'd also like a DA revolver that's not a Taurus...
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Posted: 12/12/2021 11:43:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, yes they did. And like everyone else, they learned M1 Carbine mags are fragile little fuckers. Like I said, they were designed and constructed as single use consumables. Two teeny dimples is all there is to hold the weight of the mag and 30 cartridges. One good whack and you'll get all kinds of ftf jams. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 11:50:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why hasn’t anyone made a revolver that shoots 556? Taurus did. Not clear if they ever imported them, though. High-pressure bottle-necked cartridges in revolvers tend to have extraction issues. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 11:52:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. Fulton Armory ARE GI spec, down to the forged receivers. That's what it costs to build carbines to the original spec today, which hasn't been done since the 40's. Auto Ordnance & Inland suffer from more than QC issues - they fucked up the length of the bolt: http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_kahr.html A new Inland or Kahr's Auto Ordnance carbine is like buying a late Universal - looks similar to a US carbine, but takes proprietary parts. Bolts and stocks are not GI dimensioned. For the money, get a GI beater & upgrade over time, an early Universal or Plainfield & replace parts w/ GI over time, etc. Don't take this the wrong way but I know Fulton Armory M1 Carbines as well as anyone here (I own 2). You don't walk into a gun shop and just buy one, you have to order one from FA. They don't keep a quantity on hand to fill that order, each rifle is built as it's ordered. That adds to the cost per Carbine. If someone were to dedicate modern production methods to making one (CNC machining the receivers as Fulton does, but on a larger scale than they do now) the costs could be brought down from that $2K price point. I bought my 1st FA production Carbine in 2018, it's serial number is under 1200. My 2nd I bought this year has a serial number in the 1700 range. That means in 4 years Fulton only produced 500 Carbines. That's not "mass production" IMO. As I said, if someone were to use modern production methods they could bring the cost down making larger production runs than Fulton does |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 12:00:18 PM EDT
[#21]
It actually has already been made
Fort Ellis made one some years ago , I know someone who has one |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 12:08:56 PM EDT
[#22]
You could download 110gr 300 blackout 1900fps to match 30 carbine if you really wanted to. But why would you want to lose 400pfs for 30 carbine equivalent?
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Posted: 12/12/2021 12:09:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want a Lewis Gun in .30-30.  That would legitimately be cool as fuck. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 12:19:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why not an optics ready, double stack Luger? |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 12:23:02 PM EDT
[#25]
I still want a hopper fed 12ga mini-gun.
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Posted: 12/12/2021 12:36:51 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In a M1 carbine I think it is fine. But it is very limited in the grand scheme of things. Basically there is no ammo available and even in normal times there is very little available. Add into that there is no variety available. I will be contrarian…I want an M1 carbine in .300 blackout…with better mags. ;) Ruger makes it. Calls it a Mini-30 |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 1:14:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/5ddc336bfd9db244c913783d-460.gif That would legitimately be cool as fuck. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I want a Lewis Gun in .30-30. That would legitimately be cool as fuck. Wouldn't it be tho.  When Elmer asks you what caliber you shoot, you could honestly say, "Turdy-Turdy". Then watch him melt down in horror when you uncrated the Lewis. 
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Posted: 12/12/2021 1:48:48 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I always wanted a mp5 in 30 Glock longslide in 30 would be the coolest glock ever made How's about in 7.62x39 for less than $1,200 with arfcom discount? https://atlanticfirearms.com/ptr-32-pistol I'm with the "M1 carbine is best .30" crowd. By the time you get there in an AR, it wouldn't be cheap. Dad carried an M1 carbine in Korea and bought one at a hardware store around 1990 for $200. (Nice Inland) He gave it to me about 15 years ago. Wouldn't change a thing. In a world where a Glock is $600, decent revolver is $900, $1,200 for an M1 carbine is not outrageous. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 2:05:20 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't take this the wrong way but I know Fulton Armory M1 Carbines as well as anyone here (I own 2). You don't walk into a gun shop and just buy one, you have to order one from FA. They don't keep a quantity on hand to fill that order, each rifle is built as it's ordered. That adds to the cost per Carbine. If someone were to dedicate modern production methods to making one (CNC machining the receivers as Fulton does, but on a larger scale than they do now) the costs could be brought down from that $2K price point. I bought my 1st FA production Carbine in 2018, it's serial number is under 1200. My 2nd I bought this year has a serial number in the 1700 range. That means in 4 years Fulton only produced 500 Carbines. That's not "mass production" IMO. As I said, if someone were to use modern production methods they could bring the cost down making larger production runs than Fulton does Sure. But there's not a large market for forged receiver GI spec M1 carbines when there's 6 million GI carbines already on the market. Folks buying the Fulton are buying their guns to shoot, to better preserve their GI collection. Average joe, if he wants a GI spec carbine, he buys a GI carbine and replaces parts as needed. Once orginal GI guns exceed Fulton's current price and demand goes up for a GI spec carbine, then you might see GI spec mass production. Given current inflation driving up wages, the only way you'd see a new production GI spec carbine for less than the originals would be foreign produced, Turkey, Brazil, or suchlike. China could do it but we're not allowed to import it. The Kahr Auto-Ordnance/Inland guns would be perfect early Universal/Plainfield replacements if they had got their dimensions correct from the get go. It's inexcusable to have screwed that up. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 2:15:38 PM EDT
[#30]
Because .30 Carbine ammo already doesn't sell, even though there are millions in gun owner's hands. It is a round that makes sense only in view of the rifle it was designed for. Otherwise launching what is effectively a .30 Magnum out of a rifle doesn't leaves a lot to be desired.
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Posted: 12/12/2021 2:15:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure. But there's not a large market for forged receiver GI spec M1 carbines when there's 6 million GI carbines already on the market. Folks buying the Fulton are buying their guns to shoot, to better preserve their GI collection. Average joe, if he wants a GI spec carbine, he buys a GI carbine and replaces parts as needed. Once orginal GI guns exceed Fulton's current price and demand goes up for a GI spec carbine, then you might see GI spec mass production. Given current inflation driving up wages, the only way you'd see a new production GI spec carbine for less than the originals would be foreign produced, Turkey, Brazil, or suchlike. China could do it but we're not allowed to import it. The Kahr Auto-Ordnance/Inland guns would be perfect early Universal/Plainfield replacements if they had got their dimensions correct from the get go. It's inexcusable to have screwed that up. Thing is there isn't 6 million USGI M1 carbines on the market 2021. I doubt that 1/2 survived this long and most of those are in safes around the US. As for USGI Carbines equaling what Fulton charges for theirs, I suggest you ask some of the people who bought the last run of Italian returns that Midway sold off. The "best" grades sold for about the same as a new production Fulton sells for. And the Midway returns (2000 guns IIRR) sold out in 1 morning. If 2000 guns can sell out in 1 day I would say there is enough demand that new production Carbines could warrant production in quantities higher than Fulton is able to produce. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 2:38:47 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ruger makes it. Calls it a Mini-30 Lol, good point. I wasn’t even thinking of that. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 2:42:22 PM EDT
[#33]
I cant imagine a more pointless firearm.
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Posted: 12/12/2021 2:46:02 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thing is there isn't 6 million USGI M1 carbines on the market 2021. I doubt that 1/2 survived this long and most of those are in safes around the US. As for USGI Carbines equaling what Fulton charges for theirs, I suggest you ask some of the people who bought the last run of Italian returns that Midway sold off. The "best" grades sold for about the same as a new production Fulton sells for. And the Midway returns (2000 guns IIRR) sold out in 1 morning. If 2000 guns can sell out in 1 day I would say there is enough demand that new production Carbines could warrant production in quantities higher than Fulton is able to produce. Start a GoFund me for start up money, then sell enough stock so you can start mass production. You'll make a mint! Just consider that the track record for longevity of companies solely producing commercial carbines for their income is not real good. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 3:06:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's called .350 legend and actually works Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I want one in the venerable .357 magnum 125 gr Remington load. No other cartridge, including the .50 BMG has the same manstopping track record. It's called .350 legend and actually works A 160 grain bullet at 2300 FPS would most certainly do the job well. Even the 125 Remington load doesn't reach anywhere close to 2300 FPS. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 5:16:46 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Start a GoFund me for start up money, then sell enough stock so you can start mass production. You'll make a mint! Just consider that the track record for longevity of companies solely producing commercial carbines for their income is not real good. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Thing is there isn't 6 million USGI M1 carbines on the market 2021. I doubt that 1/2 survived this long and most of those are in safes around the US. As for USGI Carbines equaling what Fulton charges for theirs, I suggest you ask some of the people who bought the last run of Italian returns that Midway sold off. The "best" grades sold for about the same as a new production Fulton sells for. And the Midway returns (2000 guns IIRR) sold out in 1 morning. If 2000 guns can sell out in 1 day I would say there is enough demand that new production Carbines could warrant production in quantities higher than Fulton is able to produce. Start a GoFund me for start up money, then sell enough stock so you can start mass production. You'll make a mint! Just consider that the track record for longevity of companies solely producing commercial carbines for their income is not real good. Their income wasn't good at the time because they had to compete with cheap surplus USGI Carbines. That was then, this is now. The supply of USGI Carbines has gotten to the point where a stash found in a goat shed in Ethiopia sold out at prices higher than CMP's did when in stock . As too starting my own company, I doubt I ever have too. I'm betting your also one of those who thought Springfield Armory was wasting their time making a modern production Hi Power. We know how that's working out for them now. As to a modern production USGI spec Carbine, Springfield Armory came close in 1997-2001 http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_springfield.html I could see someone like them doing it. The reason they didn't at that time was again the same reason companies like Plainfield and Iver Johnson failed, the supply of surplus USGI Carbines 1997-2001 was enough to met demand at that time. That supply is gone unless the largest supply left is ever released to the US market (the Korean have a estimated 50-100.000) and those are barred from import |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 5:27:30 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A 160 grain bullet at 2300 FPS would most certainly do the job well. Even the 125 Remington load doesn't reach anywhere close to 2300 FPS. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I want one in the venerable .357 magnum 125 gr Remington load. No other cartridge, including the .50 BMG has the same manstopping track record. It's called .350 legend and actually works A 160 grain bullet at 2300 FPS would most certainly do the job well. Even the 125 Remington load doesn't reach anywhere close to 2300 FPS. It's close out of a rifle. @Derek45 |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 5:30:10 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well we've been around a while. I wanted one of those very badly. If memory serves, it was right about the time that Barrett was talking about importing the Tavor. 
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Posted: 12/12/2021 5:35:07 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: People still buy .40 S&W. Sooo....  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: .30 carbine AR15 that takes M1 Carbine magazines. I think it would be a hot seller People still buy .40 S&W. Sooo.... I bet 90% of those who do only do so because they already have guns chambered for it
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Posted: 12/12/2021 5:50:33 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Their income wasn't good at the time because they had to compete with cheap surplus USGI Carbines. That was then, this is now. The supply of USGI Carbines has gotten to the point where a stash found in a goat shed in Ethiopia sold out at prices higher than CMP's did when in stock . As too starting my own company, I doubt I ever have too. I'm betting your also one of those who thought Springfield Armory was wasting their time making a modern production Hi Power. We know how that's working out for them now. As to a modern production USGI spec Carbine, Springfield Armory came close in 1997-2001 http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_springfield.html I could see someone like them doing it. The reason they didn't at that time was again the same reason companies like Plainfield and Iver Johnson failed, the supply of surplus USGI Carbines 1997-2001 was enough to met demand at that time. That supply is gone unless the largest supply left is ever released to the US market (the Korean have a estimated 50-100.000) and those are barred from import Quote HistoryQuoted: Their income wasn't good at the time because they had to compete with cheap surplus USGI Carbines. That was then, this is now. The supply of USGI Carbines has gotten to the point where a stash found in a goat shed in Ethiopia sold out at prices higher than CMP's did when in stock . As too starting my own company, I doubt I ever have too. I'm betting your also one of those who thought Springfield Armory was wasting their time making a modern production Hi Power. We know how that's working out for them now. As to a modern production USGI spec Carbine, Springfield Armory came close in 1997-2001 http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_springfield.html I could see someone like them doing it. The reason they didn't at that time was again the same reason companies like Plainfield and Iver Johnson failed, the supply of surplus USGI Carbines 1997-2001 was enough to met demand at that time. That supply is gone unless the largest supply left is ever released to the US market (the Korean have a estimated 50-100.000) and those are barred from import Why would you think that? I'm just amused by ARFCOM's sudden lack of outrage about the Illinois lobbying deal when Springfield introduced a product they want. From your link: The reason for not proceeding with the carbines is believed to have been the retail prices needed to cover the overhead cost and still earn a profit would not be well received by buyers. When GI guns & commercial carbines were cheap, they were utility guns. AKs & ARs have replaced the carbine as a cheap utility gun. So, the GI carbines are now collectible, and the carbine design prevents it from being made cheaply to compete w/ the AR & AK - so no cheap utility gun market segment. What's left is shooters for the carbine collector - who by definition is relatively well heeled. Which Fulton covers nicely. Kahr & Inland have the cheaper remaining commercial carbine market covered, albeit I'd rather have an early Universal or Plainfield than a new Kahr or Inland. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 6:51:50 PM EDT
[#41]
Wonder if a ruger PC9 could be made to work with 30 carbine?
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Posted: 12/12/2021 7:04:58 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/139707/IMG-0260-258303.jpg My Grandfather, pride of the 94th, somewhere in Europe '44/'45 with his M1 carbine. Gramps on the left. His best buddy, James Madison Chase, AKA Calhoon, from Rensselaer New York on the right. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A .30 carbine that weighs 2 pounds more than an M1 carbine. It will sell like something that sells poorly. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/139707/IMG-0260-258303.jpg My Grandfather, pride of the 94th, somewhere in Europe '44/'45 with his M1 carbine. Gramps on the left. His best buddy, James Madison Chase, AKA Calhoon, from Rensselaer New York on the right. Awesome picture. I bought an M1 Carbine when I was at Ft Sill in the early 80.'s. Ammo was $10 for a 50 round box. And it was everywhere. I shot that thing so much....I didn't realize it was supposed to be inaccurate, I shot a ton of prairie dogs with it LOL...sometimes lobbing them in. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 7:11:39 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's close out of a rifle. @Derek45 @brachiosaur this ? ( for the record, I don't think a 30carbine AR15 would sell)  
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Posted: 12/12/2021 7:26:08 PM EDT
[#44]
?? Any idea how those 125's hold up?
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Posted: 12/12/2021 7:30:17 PM EDT
[#45]
 demo of 30 carbine ar-15 |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 7:49:44 PM EDT
[#46]
I would be more interested in a M1 Carbine in 5.7 x 28mm.
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Posted: 12/12/2021 7:56:39 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Their income wasn't good at the time because they had to compete with cheap surplus USGI Carbines. That was then, this is now. The supply of USGI Carbines has gotten to the point where a stash found in a goat shed in Ethiopia sold out at prices higher than CMP's did when in stock . As too starting my own company, I doubt I ever have too. I'm betting your also one of those who thought Springfield Armory was wasting their time making a modern production Hi Power. We know how that's working out for them now. As to a modern production USGI spec Carbine, Springfield Armory came close in 1997-2001 http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_springfield.html I could see someone like them doing it. The reason they didn't at that time was again the same reason companies like Plainfield and Iver Johnson failed, the supply of surplus USGI Carbines 1997-2001 was enough to met demand at that time. That supply is gone unless the largest supply left is ever released to the US market (the Korean have a estimated 50-100.000) and those are barred from import Isn't the solution as simple as you calling Fulton Armory and ordering 100,000 rifles? You negotiate a lower priced based on volume and you handle the warehouse and logistics of keeping them in stock at retail stores. They can increase production with your firm order because you have proven the demand by placing the order. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 7:56:47 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ?? Any idea how those 125's hold up? no, but I imagine an XTP or similar, designed for 1200-1600fps expansion would grenade like a varmit bullet at 2300fps Make make a good coyote round, . . . . but when I coyote hunt I use a flatter shooting .223 or 6.x |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 9:13:31 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wonder if a ruger PC9 could be made to work with 30 carbine? No. Straight blowback & .30 Carbine don't mix. |
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Posted: 12/12/2021 10:47:02 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because 30 Carbine round SUCKS ASS!  1 1/4" 14 ga. steel at 100 yds. I'm not seeing much "SUCKS ASS" there. |
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