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Posted: 2/22/2012 6:24:39 PM EDT

[#1]

look different from the 1918

Posted: 2/22/2012 6:26:15 PM EDT

[#2]

Slow rifling implies black powder...

The Mauser 1918 is about 5 and 1/2 feet long...

Posted: 2/22/2012 6:26:17 PM EDT

[#3]

It looks like a 1918 Mauser A/T rifle.

Posted: 2/22/2012 6:29:30 PM EDT

[#4]

Needs more Tapco.

Posted: 2/22/2012 6:44:13 PM EDT

[#5]

another pic. for size perspective, my hands are not at all small. I also easily dropped a loaded .50bmg round into the open bolt. Its massive.

Posted: 2/22/2012 6:54:39 PM EDT

[#6]

Tap.tap,tap
Is this thing on?

Posted: 2/22/2012 6:56:12 PM EDT

[#7]

It looks like a Chinese wall defense gun from the 1920s
The Caliber should be about .55 and it is a long bottleneck blackpowder round.
There may also be a plate on the bottom of the stock or fittings to mount the gun on a heavy monopod that was fitted to a socket on the rampart wall.
The cut-out area on the stock right below the rear sight may also serve the function.
Looks in pretty decent shape and not well used.

Posted: 2/22/2012 7:43:25 PM EDT

[#8]

Looking at the trigger guard, springfield style cocking piece, mauser style safety,Lee style locking lug on the bolt, and the fact it has a Krag rear sight, I'd say it's US made.....1920's or 30's.......A one-off "project" or prototype

Posted: 2/22/2012 7:56:10 PM EDT

[#9]

In for answer and out of sheer jealousy of that gun

Posted: 2/22/2012 8:02:24 PM EDT

[#10]

Nice piece, whatever it may be.

Posted: 2/22/2012 8:13:29 PM EDT

[#11]

OMG you stumped the hive.

Posted: 2/22/2012 8:13:54 PM EDT

[#12]

There does appear to be markings in front of the receiver, just to the rear of the hex, from a couple of the pictures. What are they?

Posted: 2/22/2012 8:16:51 PM EDT

[#13]

This is the first time that I have ever, EVER seen this place stumped. EVER!!!!!!

Posted: 2/22/2012 8:21:15 PM EDT

[#14]

If I had that thing i would make it my short term mission in life to shoot it. Find a gunsmith who can do a chamber casting.

Posted: 2/22/2012 8:22:25 PM EDT

[#15]

IMHO, it looks like either a 1-off hand built thing, since it has pretty sharp angles on the bolt and receiver machining, or maybe a sporterized Chinese parapet rifle (the size/caliber and Gew 88 styling on the barrel leans that way).

I'd be that either way, it was worked on heavily by someone in a small shop somewhere, since it has no markings, and relatively crude machining (yes, it has a decent cocking piece, but no front lugs?)

Posted: 2/22/2012 8:24:36 PM EDT

[#16]

I wonder how many people are searching google furiously right now so they can answer like they know what they are talking about.

Posted: 2/22/2012 8:31:50 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:

If I had that thing i would make it my short term mission in life to shoot it. Find a gunsmith who can do a chamber casting.

Id use a vise and a very long string...

Posted: 2/22/2012 8:54:17 PM EDT

[#18]

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Customized Gew 88?

I think this is correct.

My guess too.

Posted: 2/22/2012 9:16:46 PM EDT

[#19]

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Customized Gew 88?

I think this is correct.

My guess too.

Faaaarrrr too large and the receiver shapes and bolt do not remotely match. No possible way it's a Gew 88.

Posted: 2/22/2012 9:37:19 PM EDT

[#20]

No one has noted that the only lockup for the bolt seems to be handle. This is a very weak system and would only handle a black powder cartridge of this size. The gun looks custom made but i am not at all familiar with the chinese wall guns so I can not rule that out. It is definitely not a modified Mauser of any type. The safety is not like any I have seen before. it looks like a Mauser but it is not and is not modified from one. The barrel looks familiar and may be from a Remington model 8 but without the gun in hand I can not say for certain. All in all I believe it is a one off home made custom and this is supported by the rather odd 1950s 60s stock.

Posted: 2/22/2012 9:50:13 PM EDT

[#21]

I have no idea, so I'll just say it looks like a really cool find!

If I had to take a guess I'd wonder if it was a sporterized anti-tank rifle. I just can't see someone building that with the intent of it weighing that much unless it was sporterized from something else. I've never seen any of the old anti-tank rifles up close but maybe a search for pics on the net will show one with a bolt that looks like that.

Only other thought is somewhere on the Afghan-Paki border someone is having a really good laugh right now.

Posted: 2/22/2012 9:56:56 PM EDT

[#22]

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Sporterized WW1 anti-tank gun?

My thought as well.

Concur.

Posted: 2/22/2012 10:04:30 PM EDT

[#23]

Try posting it over at surplusrifleforum, they may have an idea. Cool find!

Posted: 2/22/2012 10:40:38 PM EDT

[#24]

kind of hard to get scale from your pictures, but I'm guessing a .505 Gibbs or something like that. Can you pull the bolt or look in the chamber and get a general idea of how much bottleneck there is?

Posted: 2/22/2012 10:49:19 PM EDT

[#25]

Spanish or some South American Mauser???

Posted: 2/22/2012 11:47:35 PM EDT

[#26]

I agree. I have 2 Gew 88's myself and while it shares the split rear of the receiver it's just way too massive to be an 88.

Quoted:

Quoted:
Customized Gew 88?

I think this is correct.

My guess too.

Faaaarrrr too large and the receiver shapes and bolt do not remotely match. No possible way it's a Gew 88.

Posted: 2/22/2012 11:55:11 PM EDT

[#27]

Tag for outcome

Cool rifle OP

Posted: 2/23/2012 3:27:11 AM EDT

[#28]

Very cool rifle OP

Posted: 2/23/2012 7:14:35 AM EDT

[#29]

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If I had that thing i would make it my short term mission in life to shoot it. Find a gunsmith who can do a chamber casting.

Me too.

Posted: 2/23/2012 7:23:16 AM EDT

[#30]

this is way too custom from anything i have ever seen.

the only way would be to remove the action form the stock to really find out more. it should be pretty easy to do

use brass screwdrivers and take it very slow. you will be fine, we need the proof's in order to decipher what it is.

this is may be a black powder rifle. not enough lugs to make it for nitro. this is a guess.

but the caliber is going to be huge. .50 and above

it is not an AT rifle, the action is wrong. it's not a boys rifle either.

Posted: 2/23/2012 7:31:27 AM EDT

[#31]

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but the caliber is going to be huge. .50 and above

it is not an AT rifle, the action is wrong. it's not a boys rifle either.

Then it looks like it qualifies as a destructive device under the NFA. What does the NFA paperwork say about it? You do have that right?

Posted: 2/23/2012 7:38:36 AM EDT

[#32]

That is a very nice.

Posted: 2/23/2012 7:47:26 AM EDT

[#33]

Tagged for home view!

Posted: 2/23/2012 7:49:38 AM EDT

[#34]

The split bridge reminds me of a Mannlicher action. The safety and bolt remind me of a Mauser. The barrel jacket looks like that of the '88 Commission rifle.

I say it's German in origin. If it was a copy of something (say, Chinese), I don't think anyone would put that kind of work into a custom rifle.

If it was a one-off custom action, I don't believe the tangent style rear sight would have been put on it. This weapon started life as a military contract rifle, IMO.

Posted: 2/23/2012 8:04:29 AM EDT

[#35]

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but the caliber is going to be huge. .50 and above

it is not an AT rifle, the action is wrong. it's not a boys rifle either.

Then it looks like it qualifies as a destructive device under the NFA. What does the NFA paperwork say about it? You do have that right?

IF it's BP it aint a DD. Also, there are weird rules about guns above .50cal. Think 700 nitro express. Those aren't DD's and IIRC, it's because it's for "sporting purposes" I'm sure someone will correct me on that if I'm wrong though.

Posted: 2/23/2012 8:11:23 AM EDT

[#36]

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but the caliber is going to be huge. .50 and above...

Has he posted bore dimensions yet? Big case doesnt mean big bore.

Posted: 2/23/2012 8:24:38 AM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:

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but the caliber is going to be huge. .50 and above

it is not an AT rifle, the action is wrong. it's not a boys rifle either.

Then it looks like it qualifies as a destructive device under the NFA. What does the NFA paperwork say about it? You do have that right?

IF it's BP it aint a DD. Also, there are weird rules about guns above .50cal. Think 700 nitro express. Those aren't DD's and IIRC, it's because it's for "sporting purposes" I'm sure someone will correct me on that if I'm wrong though.

If the cartridge has been giving a sporting purpose exemption it is fine, if blackpowder fine.

Posted: 2/23/2012 12:46:57 PM EDT

[#38]

up , I must know what this thing is!

Posted: 2/23/2012 1:07:47 PM EDT

[#39]

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OMG you stumped the hive.

Neva ben dun befoe.

Posted: 2/23/2012 1:08:49 PM EDT

[#40]

16 ga slug gun, they used them for shooting competitions

Posted: 2/23/2012 1:09:37 PM EDT

[#41]

Slug the bore & chamber casting are going to be the only way to tell.

Posted: 2/23/2012 1:12:19 PM EDT

[#42]

I'm going to lean in the dangerous game rifle direction.

If the rifle is removed from the stock you may find some proof marks.

Posted: 2/23/2012 1:15:21 PM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:

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. . .
but the caliber is going to be huge. .50 and above

it is not an AT rifle, the action is wrong. it's not a boys rifle either.

Then it looks like it qualifies as a destructive device under the NFA. What does the NFA paperwork say about it? You do have that right?

IF it's BP it aint a DD. Also, there are weird rules about guns above .50cal. Think 700 nitro express. Those aren't DD's and IIRC, it's because it's for "sporting purposes" I'm sure someone will correct me on that if I'm wrong though.

No, that is right - the 577 T-Rex, 700 Nitro - etc - are rifled, over .50 and exempt.

But its done on a caliber-by-caliber basis. We have no idea WHAT this thing pictured above is yet - or if it is exempt.

Considering its age though, I doubt our .gov friends are all that worried about it. Just wondering though.

What has the C&R crew found out so far?