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Posted: 2/27/2024 10:37:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In Kerbal, I just make the landing legs double extra wide. Works like a charm. I just do my best to aim for the flat parts and hope things work out 
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Posted: 2/27/2024 10:37:34 AM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't know it fell over. Nor do I really care, but it is a little interesting that it did fall over. The excellence that was once this great country, has been abandoned for wokeism and diversity, after all, diversity is our strength, strength to do what is the question. I am sure the company that designed and launched this unmanned probe that didn't land in a usable attitude on the surface of the moon had solid diversity stats for it's employees and management. A company must have it's priorities in order, so it has that going for it. It likely would have landed fine if someone had pulled the arming pin on the LIDAR prior to launch. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 10:40:04 AM EST
[#3]
Just design the next one to land sideways. Problem solved.
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Posted: 2/27/2024 10:41:03 AM EST
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It likely would have landed fine if someone had pulled the arming pin on the LIDAR prior to launch. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I didn't know it fell over. Nor do I really care, but it is a little interesting that it did fall over. The excellence that was once this great country, has been abandoned for wokeism and diversity, after all, diversity is our strength, strength to do what is the question. I am sure the company that designed and launched this unmanned probe that didn't land in a usable attitude on the surface of the moon had solid diversity stats for it's employees and management. A company must have it's priorities in order, so it has that going for it. It likely would have landed fine if someone had pulled the arming pin on the LIDAR prior to launch. I'm sure the conversation at IM was something like this  Office Space - Mundane Detail |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 10:48:14 AM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It likely would have landed fine if someone had pulled the arming pin on the LIDAR prior to launch.  |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 10:48:22 AM EST
[#6]
Seems like you'd build a "lander" with a low CG.
Maybe have a gyroscope inside with enough mass to maintain orientation. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 10:53:36 AM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just design the next one to land sideways. Problem solved. I actually did that for a Minmus lander in KSP. Hardest part was not getting disoriented by the Navball while rotating it back up for liftoff
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Posted: 2/27/2024 10:59:03 AM EST
[#8]
NASA should hire all the geniuses in this thread to make a lander.
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Posted: 2/27/2024 11:00:55 AM EST
[#9]
What I heard was the landing LIDAR was switched off when doing the final tests before launch due to the danger the laser has on human eyes. It was forgotten to be switched back on before flight. Why that critical detail was overlooked I'm sure is being discussed with a few ass chewings.
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Posted: 2/27/2024 11:02:20 AM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Based on every country’s results with unmanned craft, it’s abundantly clear: 1. Humans are needed to actually land with a success rate above 20 percent 2. We never landed in the 60’s and we just can’t figure out how to. How could you possibly conclude humans land better if you think they’ve never actually done it? |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 11:07:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most modern engineers are extremely bad at predicting potential issues, and those who are get treated poorly because they're just "negative Nancies who don't have faith in the team." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What kind of engineer doesn't plan for every potential issue? It tipped over? Fire everyone working on that project. Most modern engineers are extremely bad at predicting potential issues, and those who are get treated poorly because they're just "negative Nancies who don't have faith in the team." *Sensibly chuckles in Space Shuttle booster O-ring temperature sensitivity* |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 11:10:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s my thoughts. Something that bites into the ground with enough shock absorption to prevent damage. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Shoulda been designed with a wider stance and lower center of gravity, maybe. And off-road casters. That’s my thoughts. Something that bites into the ground with enough shock absorption to prevent damage. Something that bites into the ground is what you DON'T want. The big challenge is to arrest horizontal movement completely before touchdown. If you have any horizontal movement, and a foot bites into the ground, the lander tips. You need to have it landing perfectly straight down. To guard against that, the way to handle this would be to have each foot be smooth and bowl shaped so it will slide if the touchdown isn't exactly perfect, and just make sure to touch down in an area without any large protuberances such as rocks or fissures. Feet like that would give you a safety margin in case you didn't nail the straight down landing. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 11:12:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: NASA should hire all the geniuses in this thread to make a lander. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 11:15:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So does this company have the right connections to stay afloat and keep trying? I might buy a couple hundred shares if the price dips back to $2-3 and they'll be funded for more missions They have two more missions planned this year that have likely been funded by NASA. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 11:18:24 AM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Any Rocket surgeons who sold their stock Friday who worked there before the public announcement are going to learn what the SEC is. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In this thread the rocket surgeons with massive stock market knowledge and experience will tell us what when wrong. Any Rocket surgeons who sold their stock Friday who worked there before the public announcement are going to learn what the SEC is. ...but politicians with that same insider info are GTG. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 11:22:12 AM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They have two more missions planned this year that have likely been funded by NASA. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So does this company have the right connections to stay afloat and keep trying? I might buy a couple hundred shares if the price dips back to $2-3 and they'll be funded for more missions They have two more missions planned this year that have likely been funded by NASA. I appreciated the Columbia clothing sponsorship and large logo on the lander. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 11:27:40 AM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL... I don't know what to say. You BOTH included a manual disable for the laser AND did not checklist it or triple check it. So US private enterprise is now 0 for 2 on lunar landings. Hmmm. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 11:28:55 AM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It likely would have landed fine if someone had pulled the arming pin on the LIDAR prior to launch. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I didn't know it fell over. Nor do I really care, but it is a little interesting that it did fall over. The excellence that was once this great country, has been abandoned for wokeism and diversity, after all, diversity is our strength, strength to do what is the question. I am sure the company that designed and launched this unmanned probe that didn't land in a usable attitude on the surface of the moon had solid diversity stats for it's employees and management. A company must have it's priorities in order, so it has that going for it. It likely would have landed fine if someone had pulled the arming pin on the LIDAR prior to launch. And that step was probably ( at least should have been ) on a pre-launch checklist which somebody failed to do. Incompetence by definition. If a frog had wings he wouldn’t bump his ass all the time. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 11:33:21 AM EST
[#19]
How do we have a thread about stock prices with no fucking link to the stock price?
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/LUNR |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 11:34:00 AM EST
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I worked for the company that built the actuators that opened the "petals" on the Sririt and Oppotunity Mars Rovers. One of them ended up landing on its side and the actuator was able to flip it right side up by opening the one door.
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Posted: 2/27/2024 11:35:11 AM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So US private enterprise is now 0 for 2 on lunar landings. Hmmm. This is proof why we need socialism so badly in the government needs to take care of everything. At least that's what I hear on the liberal sites glad to see that this website is making the change. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 11:42:16 AM EST
[#22]
Shit, we do this all day in kerbal.
Suicide burn ftw :D And we mostly land upright. Mostly. And the realize we staged the parachutes instead of the ascent stage. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 11:48:44 AM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: NASA should hire all the geniuses in this thread to make a lander. I love these responses. It's not possible for a layperson to comment on failures in a complex system, failures that are evidenced by the externally visible results, without being able to personally build a competing system. So when a plane's door explodes off the side because the proper nuts are not secured you can't comment on that nor criticize it unless you can personally build an aircraft. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 11:53:05 AM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Shit, we do this all day in kerbal. Suicide burn ftw :D And we mostly land upright. Mostly. And the realize we staged the parachutes instead of the ascent stage. Must be nice to actually remember to add parachutes to the capsule. I bet you remember solar panels on all your vessels, too Eta: like I said in the Japan thread, the lander falling over is not a deal-breaker. Just gotta orient it so it's facing uphill and let 'er rip  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 11:57:22 AM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I love these responses. It's not possible for a layperson to comment on failures in a complex system, failures that are evidenced by the externally visible results, without being able to personally build a competing system. So when a plane's door explodes off the side because the proper nuts are not secured you can't comment on that nor criticize it unless you can personally build an aircraft. One of the things that I've debated on doing for my YouTube channel is challenging your everyday laypersons to do these complicated or technically challenging things and then putting tens of thousands of dollars on the line for the their success. I feel like so many people's egos are incredibly large that many would agree to compete because of how boastful they are online. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 12:04:31 PM EST
[#26]
How hard would it be to make an R2D2 that could right itself?
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Posted: 2/27/2024 12:05:40 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What is your weight budget for self righting equipment? You don't understand the weight sensitivity of space vehicles launched from the surface of Earth. Same with ultra fancy shock absorption. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So in all of their "what if" scenarios, up righting itself wasn't modeled in? What is your weight budget for self righting equipment? You don't understand the weight sensitivity of space vehicles launched from the surface of Earth. Same with ultra fancy shock absorption. It's still a failed mission when it tips over. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 12:07:05 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One of the things that I've debated on doing for my YouTube channel is challenging your everyday laypersons to do these complicated or technically challenging things and then putting tens of thousands of dollars on the line for the their success. I feel like so many people's egos are incredibly large that many would agree to compete because of how boastful they are online. Sure, there is plenty of that and I don't doubt you'd have takers and lots who's tune changes when it's time to hold the screwdriver. The "My dog could do it better" types. That's not the same as being justifiably critical of sending up years of work and hundreds of millions of dollars with a switch flipped off that should certainly have been checked and inspected (and double checked if you like success) in a final 'go' checklist. I will not at all claim to be able to build lunar landers. Shit, I've been at building a hobby robot for over a decade. Doesn't mean I can't notice "hey... that was kinda a serious oversight there". https://youtu.be/wynBeg7BYr0?t=360 Interesting that had they not been trying to gather information about the fact that the orbit was not as expected they would not have even known the LIDAR interlock was a problem till it was needed in landing and likely would have failed even harder. Lesson here might be that you want more telemetry on your critical systems. If they had a day or two to come up with a work-around they might have done better than what you can whip up in 120 minutes, or better yet... not launched knowing the the system was locked out. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 12:07:30 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: NASA should hire all the geniuses in this thread to make a lander. Sometimes it's the little things. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 12:10:58 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can’t wait until Elon send up for shits and giggles and sticks the landing on the first try Hope so, but Starship for moon sure has some small legs and a very large L/D ratio 
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Posted: 2/27/2024 12:13:39 PM EST
[#31]
Another interesting glitch occurred with the low gain antennas that are able to see Earth.
The 'puter detects a system failure (weak signal?), and switches the antennas too quickly to establish a solid data link. I would attempt to disable that feature so either both antennas are available every second, or could be manually selected. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 12:45:34 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Odysseus had to take an extra orbit to give controllers time to make a perfect landing near the Moon’s south pole due to a laser-guided range finder in-flight malfunction. The laser safety switch, which can only be disabled manually, was not unlocked by company engineers before launch, which resulted in the malfunction being discovered hours before landing. According to Hansen, the company is still investigating whether an ad-libbed navigation solution used by a NASA-supplied experimental system on the lander caused the spacecraft to land sideways. As stated by the company, Odysseus encountered uneven ground on the lunar surface and tipped over, apparently propped up on a boulder. As a result, its solar panels received less sunlight and its antennae were pointed towards the surface of the moon, which caused some communications to be blocked. The laser safety switch was really on “safe”?. Huh, you’d think they’d have a checklist for that sort of thing. I guarantee you the engineer(s) in charge of the pre flight checks, is a THC enthusiast. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 12:46:24 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Moon cat tipped it. I don’t know why I laughed so hard at this, but I did. 
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Posted: 2/27/2024 12:46:32 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's still a failed mission when it tips over. The ceo says it’s resting, on its side. The side with the sculptures. The payload that had tipped sideways contains an art piece comprising miniature stainless steel sculptures by artist Jeff Koons, Intuitive Machines said, adding that the rest of the payloads are expected to carry out their scientific objectives. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 12:47:25 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hope so, but Starship for moon sure has some small legs and a very large L/D ratio https://www.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Lunar-Starship-Artemis-SpaceX-render-2-edit-c-2048x1152.jpg It’s got quite a bit of girth to it as well.
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Posted: 2/27/2024 12:47:41 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: $125m for this lander. Apollo was closer to 3% of our gdp ($250+ billion) Space tech is hard, especially when you don't have an infinite budget. Nasa has not sent a lander since the 60s and still haven't. This was not a nasa project. They now have some more photos from the landing, it stayed upright for about 35 seconds but still fell over. You have to kill all momentum before you land, and they had lateral movement of just 2-3mph which was enough to tip it over. Furthermore, the psople who watch TV and say this is a failure are doing the same as those who watch TV and spout off that guns are the #1 cause of problems in the world... Trash in trash out. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 12:51:30 PM EST
[#37]
They need to send one of those Boston Dynamics robot with AI and a solar charger to keep itself going with the sole purpose of running around the moon fixing all the shit we send there.
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Posted: 2/27/2024 12:56:29 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One of the things that I've debated on doing for my YouTube channel is challenging your everyday laypersons to do these complicated or technically challenging things and then putting tens of thousands of dollars on the line for the their success. I feel like so many people's egos are incredibly large that many would agree to compete because of how boastful they are online. I look forward to your $10,000 challenge of turning a $40 stock into a $5 stock. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 12:59:09 PM EST
[#39]
it's a start, a company that dumb and runs off 99% hype and tax dollars, doesn't deserve to still exist and operate in the open market
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Posted: 2/27/2024 1:04:12 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't know it fell over. Nor do I really care, but it is a little interesting that it did fall over. The excellence that was once this great country, has been abandoned for wokeism and diversity, after all, diversity is our strength, strength to do what is the question. I am sure the company that designed and launched this unmanned probe that didn't land in a usable attitude on the surface of the moon had solid diversity stats for it's employees and management. A company must have it's priorities in order, so it has that going for it. It’s generally agreed that the NASA of the 1960s was filled with some of the best and brightest folks America and the world had to offer. They still had failures, some of which were comically bad. Look up the “angry alligator “ from Gemini. A primary mission objective failed because contractor A wouldn’t let contractor B’s engineer on the pad to make sure contractor B’s shroud was installed correctly. Doing anything on the moon is hard. This team achieved a soft landing with data returned on a small budget, using a degree of automation not previously demonstrated. It’s impressive despite the lack of perfection. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 1:08:29 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I look forward to your $10,000 challenge of turning a $40 stock into a $5 stock. One of the challenges I'm for certain doing is for all of the day trading and Forex gurus putting up $50,000 that my portfolio will make more than theirs does over the course of 3 months. Beyond that I also was thinking about challenging some of these people with 10 grand and cash each to see if they could shoot down a fpv drone carrying a Flash Bang grenade. A lot of people in one of the threads today seem to think that they can hit an fpv drone with a 12 gauge shotgun |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 1:10:07 PM EST
[#42]
 Moonwalkers Official Trailer #1 (2015) - Rupert Grint, Ron Perlman Movie HD |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 1:11:51 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What kind of engineer doesn't plan for every potential issue? It tipped over? Fire everyone working on that project. Even most battle bots have self righting mechanisms. Sounds like this craft was less advanced than Witch Doctor |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 1:12:27 PM EST
[#44]
Lol at mooncell boomers thinking they watched something significant 55 years ago
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Posted: 2/27/2024 1:14:11 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s got quite a bit of girth to it as well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hope so, but Starship for moon sure has some small legs and a very large L/D ratio https://www.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Lunar-Starship-Artemis-SpaceX-render-2-edit-c-2048x1152.jpg It’s got quite a bit of girth to it as well. I'm sure all the ladies would agree |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 1:14:50 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: *Sensibly chuckles in Space Shuttle booster O-ring temperature sensitivity* 
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Posted: 2/27/2024 1:17:04 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol at mooncell boomers thinking they watched something significant 55 years ago |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 1:17:17 PM EST
[#48]
I done stupider things...
I just bought some of their stock. They have more launches planned. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 1:19:50 PM EST
[#49]
Scott Manley on youtube has a good overview and explanation of the budgeting and what happened.
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Posted: 2/27/2024 1:21:26 PM EST
[#50]
Needs more dowels and ping pong balls
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