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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:18:47 PM EDT
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Trump has faults and he may be the best president since Reagan and maybe better than Reagan but this thread opened my eyes. Thanks, ROLCONs, I'm voting Biden in 2020!
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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:23:44 PM EDT
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Step one: Look for sand in your vagina Step two: Wash sand from your vagina Step three: ???? Step four: Profit |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:25:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barnbwt: A solution and an opinion are different things. My "solution" is we shouldn't vote for gun grabbers, but I can only speak for myself. Voting for lesser, but still gun grabbers only means we'll get more and worse gun grabbers on the ballot. BTW, I'm not single issue, but gun rights are far & away my most effective litmus test for governance. If Trump got serious about undoing the economic & social damage (e.g. "ladies and gentlemen of the United States, we've been had. This madness has to end it destroys us.") I would certainly support him. I still think his background makes this a real possibility and hope he comes around, but it hasn't happened yet. At this point the biggest threat is the deep state who attempted a hostile takeover. They must be defeated, or else they will do it again, harder next time. If Trump loses 2020 they win, and it is probably over. Now, most likely we lose anyway. A 2020 win just keeps us in the game, it isn't victory. Likewise, Trump's 2016 win only kept us in the game, same for his fending off the Russia collusion investigation and the impeachment. We are playing defense, and I don't think we will survive a loss. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:27:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Htown156: Trump has faults and he may be the best president since Reagan and maybe better than Reagan but this thread opened my eyes. Thanks, ROLCONs, I'm voting Biden in 2020! You maybe sarcastic but I am not. When you guys want my vote back let me know. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:28:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sneadhearn: Step one: Look for sand in your vagina Step two: Wash sand from your vagina Step three: have trump replace sand Step four: Profit???? Fixed it for you. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:30:01 PM EDT
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Quoted: He's one of the two. I'm leaning heavily toward traitor. The most recent evidence being his push for this massive spending that is obviously sucking the remaining life out of our country. So is there "non politician" man who based his life around becoming an expert businessman and cash flow expert ignorant to what he is doing? Or is this purposeful? Looking at his eagerness to ban guns, due process later, and red flag support, this is not an isolated incident. Sorry your gal won. No you can't use the excuse that he's just listening to his advisors, this is supposed to be good forte No this is not a single issue (remember the gun bans, red flag support, etc) No, funny tweets do not make him great, nor his angering of liberals. No, his handouts are not any better than Obama's. Just because a small portion is earmarked for businesses, does not make it so. Yes, I would happily consider myself a never Trumper. I'm kind of grossed out by anyone who isn't at this point. What the fuck is left to even remotely like? The "wall"??? Bwahahaha, what a joke.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:30:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: At this point the biggest threat is the deep state who attempted a hostile takeover. They must be defeated, or else they will do it again, harder next time. If Trump loses 2020 they win, and it is probably over. Now, most likely we lose anyway. A 2020 win just keeps us in the game, it isn't victory. Likewise, Trump's 2016 win only kept us in the game, same for his fending off the Russia collusion investigation and the impeachment. We are playing defense, and I don't think we will survive a loss. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By barnbwt: A solution and an opinion are different things. My "solution" is we shouldn't vote for gun grabbers, but I can only speak for myself. Voting for lesser, but still gun grabbers only means we'll get more and worse gun grabbers on the ballot. BTW, I'm not single issue, but gun rights are far & away my most effective litmus test for governance. If Trump got serious about undoing the economic & social damage (e.g. "ladies and gentlemen of the United States, we've been had. This madness has to end it destroys us.") I would certainly support him. I still think his background makes this a real possibility and hope he comes around, but it hasn't happened yet. At this point the biggest threat is the deep state who attempted a hostile takeover. They must be defeated, or else they will do it again, harder next time. If Trump loses 2020 they win, and it is probably over. Now, most likely we lose anyway. A 2020 win just keeps us in the game, it isn't victory. Likewise, Trump's 2016 win only kept us in the game, same for his fending off the Russia collusion investigation and the impeachment. We are playing defense, and I don't think we will survive a loss. And the only way to do that is to give them more power right. We MUST keep expanding the patriot act!!! |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:31:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barnbwt: And since it's not primary season, grooming & drafting suitable candidates for the next primary & writing this ballot off as a loss is also a valid course of action, though it acknowledges defeat/failure, which is really painful for many. Look at what they did to keep Clinton viable and to harm Trump. Look a the depth of it. Look at how they are trying to control information in the big tech companies. This isn't business as usual. Your post seems to be full of normalcy bias. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:33:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clffrdjk: And the only way to do that is to give them more power right. We MUST keep expanding the patriot act!!! I'm all for ending the patriot act, fisa courts, even the fbi. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:35:07 PM EDT
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OP lacks fundamental understanding on how economy works. 36mm unemployed in an economy that is consumer driven is a death knell. There is no choice but to spend out of it. This is many times deeper than the Great Depression, choke off spending and we will cause permanent damage.
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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:35:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Troutman84: Trump is seeing his re-election chances slip away. He is trying to get votes by printing more stimulus money. Not sure which of the two categories that puts him in, though if a democrat were doing the same things Trump is, GD would be preparing for an armed revolt. Also, IBTL. Is he proposing the spending bills? |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:37:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: I'm all for ending the patriot act, fisa courts, even the fbi. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: And the only way to do that is to give them more power right. We MUST keep expanding the patriot act!!! I'm all for ending the patriot act, fisa courts, even the fbi. So am I. Why is the guy that went through the abuses you just listed going to expand the powers of all of them? |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:38:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: At this point the biggest threat is the deep state who attempted a hostile takeover. They must be defeated, or else they will do it again, harder next time. If Trump loses 2020 they win, and it is probably over. Now, most likely we lose anyway. A 2020 win just keeps us in the game, it isn't victory. Likewise, Trump's 2016 win only kept us in the game, same for his fending off the Russia collusion investigation and the impeachment. We are playing defense, and I don't think we will survive a loss. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By barnbwt: A solution and an opinion are different things. My "solution" is we shouldn't vote for gun grabbers, but I can only speak for myself. Voting for lesser, but still gun grabbers only means we'll get more and worse gun grabbers on the ballot. BTW, I'm not single issue, but gun rights are far & away my most effective litmus test for governance. If Trump got serious about undoing the economic & social damage (e.g. "ladies and gentlemen of the United States, we've been had. This madness has to end it destroys us.") I would certainly support him. I still think his background makes this a real possibility and hope he comes around, but it hasn't happened yet. At this point the biggest threat is the deep state who attempted a hostile takeover. They must be defeated, or else they will do it again, harder next time. If Trump loses 2020 they win, and it is probably over. Now, most likely we lose anyway. A 2020 win just keeps us in the game, it isn't victory. Likewise, Trump's 2016 win only kept us in the game, same for his fending off the Russia collusion investigation and the impeachment. We are playing defense, and I don't think we will survive a loss. Many of those disillusioned or upset with Trump fail to see what he represents and who his enemies are in the government. It is very disturbing to see people caught up with bills he signs into law, that would get signed no matter what or who was in office because of the corruption that exist beneath it all. There is something bigger and more scandalous than any bill Trump has signed right in front of us that is an existential threat to the constitution and Bill of rights and only Trump can bring it to light and exterminate it. Threads like this pose as nothing but a distraction. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:45:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clffrdjk: So am I. Why is the guy that went through the abuses you just listed going to expand the powers of all of them? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clffrdjk: Originally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: And the only way to do that is to give them more power right. We MUST keep expanding the patriot act!!! I'm all for ending the patriot act, fisa courts, even the fbi. So am I. Why is the guy that went through the abuses you just listed going to expand the powers of all of them? We haven't seen the end of it yet. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:45:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tsg68: They need Trump to fail because of the strong dislike of his personality. Most of the people I encounter that hate him do so because of his appearance, speech or mannerisms... I call it the “Rodney Dangerfield” syndrome. It’s usually some asshole who thinks “Presidential” is an actual personality type, lol. Obama was “Presidential” and an absolute scum sucking, shitball. Nah, fuck all that. Trump is dumb, who cares. My single biggest issue is the record setting deficit. Trump’s and Obama’s financial recklessness will prove to be the inevitable downfall of America, I believe. Our kid’s generation will pay the price. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:48:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By XxbatraiderxX: Many of those disillusioned or upset with Trump fail to see what he represents and who his enemies are in the government. It is very disturbing to see people caught up with bills he signs into law, that would get signed no matter what or who was in office because of the corruption that exist beneath it all. There is something bigger and more scandalous than any bill Trump has signed right in front of us that is an existential threat to the constitution and Bill of rights and only Trump can bring it to light and exterminate it. Threads like this pose as nothing but a distraction. The Constitution has been mostly sidelined since FDR anyway. The immediate threat is to our understanding of the remaining rule of law within the context of the sidelined Constitution. While our federal government has engaged in massive over-reach, we have remained a functional republic with political power shifting under the control of citizens. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:48:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By XxbatraiderxX: We haven't seen the end of it yet. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By XxbatraiderxX: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: Originally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: And the only way to do that is to give them more power right. We MUST keep expanding the patriot act!!! I'm all for ending the patriot act, fisa courts, even the fbi. So am I. Why is the guy that went through the abuses you just listed going to expand the powers of all of them? We haven't seen the end of it yet. He has already done it how many times? |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:50:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cavgunner: Is he proposing the spending bills? There's this magical thing called a 'veto' that he could use. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:51:28 PM EDT
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Quoted: He's one of the two. I'm leaning heavily toward traitor. The most recent evidence being his push for this massive spending that is obviously sucking the remaining life out of our country. So is there "non politician" man who based his life around becoming an expert businessman and cash flow expert ignorant to what he is doing? Or is this purposeful? Looking at his eagerness to ban guns, due process later, and red flag support, this is not an isolated incident. Sorry your gal won. No you can't use the excuse that he's just listening to his advisors, this is supposed to be good forte No this is not a single issue (remember the gun bans, red flag support, etc) No, funny tweets do not make him great, nor his angering of liberals. No, his handouts are not any better than Obama's. Just because a small portion is earmarked for businesses, does not make it so. Yes, I would happily consider myself a never Trumper. I'm kind of grossed out by anyone who isn't at this point. What the fuck is left to even remotely like? The "wall"??? Bwahahaha, what a joke. #TDS is mental illness. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:51:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clffrdjk: So am I. Why is the guy that went through the abuses you just listed going to expand the powers of all of them? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clffrdjk: Originally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: And the only way to do that is to give them more power right. We MUST keep expanding the patriot act!!! I'm all for ending the patriot act, fisa courts, even the fbi. So am I. Why is the guy that went through the abuses you just listed going to expand the powers of all of them? Any theories Don? |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:51:44 PM EDT
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There's no gold backed money anymore.
Our country is run off of debt. It's all smoke and mirrors man, just numbers on a screen. As long as money is circulating we're fine. 150,000,000,000,000 in debt? Who gives a fuck, as long as the dollars are rolling, that's all that matters. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:52:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cavgunner: Is he proposing the spending bills? If you are trying to tell me Trump doesn’t want more stimulus money, you aren’t paying attention. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:52:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Troutman84: Nah, fuck all that. Trump is dumb, who cares. My single biggest issue is the record setting deficit. Trump’s and Obama’s financial recklessness will prove to be the inevitable downfall of America, I believe. Our kid’s generation will pay the price. An illegal effort to take down a sitting POTUS and seize power is much more significant than the deficit. In fact, if they win I would prefer a large deficit. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:52:28 PM EDT
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Thanks for the thread OP. Reading stuff like this reinforces my belief I'm not the lowest IQ person on the site.
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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:52:41 PM EDT
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Quoted: He's one of the two. I'm leaning heavily toward traitor. The most recent evidence being his push for this massive spending that is obviously sucking the remaining life out of our country. So is there "non politician" man who based his life around becoming an expert businessman and cash flow expert ignorant to what he is doing? Or is this purposeful? Looking at his eagerness to ban guns, due process later, and red flag support, this is not an isolated incident. Sorry your gal won. No you can't use the excuse that he's just listening to his advisors, this is supposed to be good forte No this is not a single issue (remember the gun bans, red flag support, etc) No, funny tweets do not make him great, nor his angering of liberals. No, his handouts are not any better than Obama's. Just because a small portion is earmarked for businesses, does not make it so. Yes, I would happily consider myself a never Trumper. I'm kind of grossed out by anyone who isn't at this point. What the fuck is left to even remotely like? The "wall"??? Bwahahaha, what a joke. President Trump has never been an ideologue. He will not adhere strictly to any party. His views most closely land with republican ideals and conservative ideals. But not even close to 100% for either. So I guess the good certainly outweighs what could have been. And furthermore, I think he is still better than any career politician on either side of the aisle who espouses conservative ideals or I am for the people. When push comes to shove, a politician will land on the side that will keep him power. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:53:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JCoop: This alone makes him a man among men, and worthy of reelection. #TDS is mental illness. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JCoop: Originally Posted By Alnen123: He's one of the two. I'm leaning heavily toward traitor. The most recent evidence being his push for this massive spending that is obviously sucking the remaining life out of our country. So is there "non politician" man who based his life around becoming an expert businessman and cash flow expert ignorant to what he is doing? Or is this purposeful? Looking at his eagerness to ban guns, due process later, and red flag support, this is not an isolated incident. Sorry your gal won. No you can't use the excuse that he's just listening to his advisors, this is supposed to be good forte No this is not a single issue (remember the gun bans, red flag support, etc) No, funny tweets do not make him great, nor his angering of liberals. No, his handouts are not any better than Obama's. Just because a small portion is earmarked for businesses, does not make it so. Yes, I would happily consider myself a never Trumper. I'm kind of grossed out by anyone who isn't at this point. What the fuck is left to even remotely like? The "wall"??? Bwahahaha, what a joke. #TDS is mental illness. Dude you just said fuck your own ideals I want the other guy to be upset. And you think I am mentally ill? |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:54:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: An illegal effort to take down a sitting POTUS and seize power is much more significant than the deficit. In fact, if they win I would prefer a large deficit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By Troutman84: Nah, fuck all that. Trump is dumb, who cares. My single biggest issue is the record setting deficit. Trump’s and Obama’s financial recklessness will prove to be the inevitable downfall of America, I believe. Our kid’s generation will pay the price. An illegal effort to take down a sitting POTUS and seize power is much more significant than the deficit. In fact, if they win I would prefer a large deficit. That's just a silly Q conspiracy. *Sarcasm* |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:55:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: An illegal effort to take down a sitting POTUS and seize power is much more significant than the deficit. In fact, if they win I would prefer a large deficit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By Troutman84: Nah, fuck all that. Trump is dumb, who cares. My single biggest issue is the record setting deficit. Trump’s and Obama’s financial recklessness will prove to be the inevitable downfall of America, I believe. Our kid’s generation will pay the price. An illegal effort to take down a sitting POTUS and seize power is much more significant than the deficit. In fact, if they win I would prefer a large deficit. And once again the response is to give them more power. Do you see the problem here? |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:58:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: An illegal effort to take down a sitting POTUS and seize power is much more significant than the deficit. In fact, if they win I would prefer a large deficit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nah, fuck all that. Trump is dumb, who cares. My single biggest issue is the record setting deficit. Trump's and Obama's financial recklessness will prove to be the inevitable downfall of America, I believe. Our kid's generation will pay the price. An illegal effort to take down a sitting POTUS and seize power is much more significant than the deficit. In fact, if they win I would prefer a large deficit. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:58:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump is seeing his re-election chances slip away. He is trying to get votes by printing more stimulus money. Not sure which of the two categories that puts him in, though if a democrat were doing the same things Trump is, GD would be preparing for an armed revolt. Also, IBTL.   CONFUSED Joe Biden GAFFE “MILLIONS DEAD” “LOST 85,000 Jobs" Millions Lives Lost (Glitchy Joe BACK!) |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 4:59:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: An illegal effort to take down a sitting POTUS and seize power is much more significant than the deficit. In fact, if they win I would prefer a large deficit. I don’t disagree. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:00:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNZ71: And every time a Never Trumper opens their mouth they may as well be Fellating Adam Schiff or Barack Hussein Obama. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNZ71: Originally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By Troutman84: Nah, fuck all that. Trump is dumb, who cares. My single biggest issue is the record setting deficit. Trump's and Obama's financial recklessness will prove to be the inevitable downfall of America, I believe. Our kid's generation will pay the price. An illegal effort to take down a sitting POTUS and seize power is much more significant than the deficit. In fact, if they win I would prefer a large deficit. Lol why does Trump keep extending the patriot act? |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:01:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI understand GD is predicting Trump in a landslide. I am not. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:03:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clffrdjk: Any theories Don? I don't know, I'd prefer he veto it. But no doubt there are political calculations, for example he could have shut down Mueller's investigation but didn't (he would have been impeached if did that), he could have pardoned Flynn and Stone but didn't. The Patriot Act is more of a steady-state or long term concern, vs the more immediate concern of dealing with the deep state coup attempts. The proper way to do it is probably to clean up the existing mess, then clean up the underlying government powers that enable it. Get all the facts of what happened out there, show what they did, then make sure that it can't be done again by reforming the system. I'll put it this way: he has a base of some 40%, while another 40% oppose him at all costs. The other 20% are skeptical. That's not a mandate for major changes, particularly with the media influence, hence he has to be careful what he does. He needs over 50% support getting rid of fisa courts, etc. He needs to make the case and get the support FIRST. Take too big of step too soon, lose everything. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:03:56 PM EDT
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literallygallonsofsemen.OP
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:03:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clffrdjk: He has already done it how many times? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clffrdjk: Originally Posted By XxbatraiderxX: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: Originally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: And the only way to do that is to give them more power right. We MUST keep expanding the patriot act!!! I'm all for ending the patriot act, fisa courts, even the fbi. So am I. Why is the guy that went through the abuses you just listed going to expand the powers of all of them? We haven't seen the end of it yet. He has already done it how many times? Why do you think he does It? Don't tell me he likes being abused and spied on. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:04:32 PM EDT
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Haven't seen one of these in a while.
Covid panic must be dying down. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:06:34 PM EDT
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When I voted in 2016, there were two choices, Trump and Clinton. Will you support Uncle Joe in November? Also, the Supreme Court nominations are kind of important. You have kids? What would you like the future of this country to look like?
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:06:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clffrdjk: Lol why does Trump keep extending the patriot act? See my post above. But consider if Trump vetoed Patriot Act. The Democrats and media would rally for Patriot Act, and his veto would likely become part of the next articles of impeachment. The establishment Republicans would not support him on this. This would be pushed as his gift to Putin. Do you understand how that would unfold? Trump has been careful negotiating this mess. That's why he is still there. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:08:04 PM EDT
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OP.
Enjoy his 2nd term! |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:09:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: I don't know, I'd prefer he veto it. But no doubt there are political calculations, for example he could have shut down Mueller's investigation but didn't (he would have been impeached if did that), he could have pardoned Flynn and Stone but didn't. The Patriot Act is more of a steady-state or long term concern, vs the more immediate concern of dealing with the deep state coup attempts. The proper way to do it is probably to clean up the existing mess, then clean up the underlying government powers that enable it. Get all the facts of what happened out there, show what they did, then make sure that it can't be done again by reforming the system. I'll put it this way: he has a base of some 40%, while another 40% oppose him at all costs. The other 20% are skeptical. That's not a mandate for major changes, particularly with the media influence, hence he has to be careful what he does. He needs over 50% support getting rid of fisa courts, etc. He needs to make the case and get the sup port FIRST. Take too big of step too soon, lose everything. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: Any theories Don? I don't know, I'd prefer he veto it. But no doubt there are political calculations, for example he could have shut down Mueller's investigation but didn't (he would have been impeached if did that), he could have pardoned Flynn and Stone but didn't. The Patriot Act is more of a steady-state or long term concern, vs the more immediate concern of dealing with the deep state coup attempts. The proper way to do it is probably to clean up the existing mess, then clean up the underlying government powers that enable it. Get all the facts of what happened out there, show what they did, then make sure that it can't be done again by reforming the system. I'll put it this way: he has a base of some 40%, while another 40% oppose him at all costs. The other 20% are skeptical. That's not a mandate for major changes, particularly with the media influence, hence he has to be careful what he does. He needs over 50% support getting rid of fisa courts, etc. He needs to make the case and get the sup port FIRST. Take too big of step too soon, lose everything. All he had to do was/is not sign the extension and it is gone. He didn’t need the support of anyone, you know this. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:10:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jay561: I think he is senile. Cant believe his base supports what he's done so far. His base is senile too. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:10:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By XxbatraiderxX: Why do you think he does It? Don't tell me he likes being abused and spied on. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By XxbatraiderxX: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: Originally Posted By XxbatraiderxX: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: Originally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: And the only way to do that is to give them more power right. We MUST keep expanding the patriot act!!! I'm all for ending the patriot act, fisa courts, even the fbi. So am I. Why is the guy that went through the abuses you just listed going to expand the powers of all of them? We haven't seen the end of it yet. He has already done it how many times? Why do you think he does It? Don't tell me he likes being abused and spied on. You are the one that supports him, you tell me. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:11:38 PM EDT
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Lol Never Trumpets trying to pretend like there were ever conservatives to begin with.
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:14:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EarlyRiser: When I voted in 2016, there were two choices, Trump and Clinton. Will you support Uncle Joe in November? Also, the Supreme Court nominations are kind of important. You have kids? What would you like the future of this country to look like? His judges have killed every bill that has come before the Supreme Court that I cared about. Why would I expect things to suddenly change? I will vote out the backstabbing incumbent in the hopes that in 4 years we can do better. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:14:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clffrdjk: All he had to do was/is not sign the extension and it is gone. He didn’t need the support of anyone, you know this. Yes, just as he could have fired Mueller. But he didn't, he played it smart. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:15:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JCoop: This alone makes him a man among men, and worthy of reelection. #TDS is mental illness. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JCoop: Originally Posted By Alnen123: He's one of the two. I'm leaning heavily toward traitor. The most recent evidence being his push for this massive spending that is obviously sucking the remaining life out of our country. So is there "non politician" man who based his life around becoming an expert businessman and cash flow expert ignorant to what he is doing? Or is this purposeful? Looking at his eagerness to ban guns, due process later, and red flag support, this is not an isolated incident. Sorry your gal won. No you can't use the excuse that he's just listening to his advisors, this is supposed to be good forte No this is not a single issue (remember the gun bans, red flag support, etc) No, funny tweets do not make him great, nor his angering of liberals. No, his handouts are not any better than Obama's. Just because a small portion is earmarked for businesses, does not make it so. Yes, I would happily consider myself a never Trumper. I'm kind of grossed out by anyone who isn't at this point. What the fuck is left to even remotely like? The "wall"??? Bwahahaha, what a joke. #TDS is mental illness. You know what else makes liberals go crazy? Hitler. Was he a man among men? #TCSS is mental illness too. I'll still vote for him, but I'll not open my mouth and freely gargle his saggy ballsack. He's not deity and thus not immune to criticism. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:16:21 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clffrdjk: His judges have killed every bill that has come before the Supreme Court that I cared about. Why would I expect things to suddenly change? I will vote out the backstabbing incumbent in the hopes that in 4 years we can do better. Normalcy bias. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:17:07 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clffrdjk: All he had to do was/is not sign the extension and it is gone. He didn’t need the support of anyone, you know this. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clffrdjk: Originally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: Any theories Don? I don't know, I'd prefer he veto it. But no doubt there are political calculations, for example he could have shut down Mueller's investigation but didn't (he would have been impeached if did that), he could have pardoned Flynn and Stone but didn't. The Patriot Act is more of a steady-state or long term concern, vs the more immediate concern of dealing with the deep state coup attempts. The proper way to do it is probably to clean up the existing mess, then clean up the underlying government powers that enable it. Get all the facts of what happened out there, show what they did, then make sure that it can't be done again by reforming the system. I'll put it this way: he has a base of some 40%, while another 40% oppose him at all costs. The other 20% are skeptical. That's not a mandate for major changes, particularly with the media influence, hence he has to be careful what he does. He needs over 50% support getting rid of fisa courts, etc. He needs to make the case and get the sup port FIRST. Take too big of step too soon, lose everything. All he had to do was/is not sign the extension and it is gone. He didn’t need the support of anyone, you know this. And every illegal corrupt action taken under the act is gone along with it. Do you want accountability? |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:17:37 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: See my post above. But consider if Trump vetoed Patriot Act. The Democrats and media would rally for Patriot Act, and his veto would likely become part of the next articles of impeachment. The establishment Republicans would not support him on this. This would be pushed as his gift to Putin. Do you understand how that would unfold? Trump has been careful negotiating this mess. That's why he is still there. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonS: Originally Posted By clffrdjk: Lol why does Trump keep extending the patriot act? See my post above. But consider if Trump vetoed Patriot Act. The Democrats and media would rally for Patriot Act, and his veto would likely become part of the next articles of impeachment. The establishment Republicans would not support him on this. This would be pushed as his gift to Putin. Do you understand how that would unfold? Trump has been careful negotiating this mess. That's why he is still there. Yea because he would be unable to think up even one example of how it was abused and present that story to the public. The obvious answer is to make the bad guys stronger so you can beat the latter because they are too strong for you to handle now. |
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