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Posted: 4/6/2022 11:31:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well perhaps you should open your eyes, because it's very easy to see the bodies if you care to see what's happening over there. Civilians killed with hands tied behind their backs, executed people, shelled cities, etc. Your argument is that Ukraine is killing their own people to get other countries involved, when other countries were already supplying them with everything they need to win on their own. What did the Red Army have to gain by murdering and raping their way across Germany? What did the Nazis have to gain by murdering Jews? What does Putin have to gain now? Perhaps is just stupid soldiers with bloodlust, not thinking about profiting. This is a conscripted, poorly trained army with no leadership doing things that the Russian army has ALWAYS done. Use your fucking head. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I forgot to add common sense, which clearly is in short supply. i'd imagine that waterglass is saying the same thing about common sense. https://i.imgflip.com/6biipz.jpg Then make a logical argument. So far the best arguments are "covid was wrong so this is wrong" and "I haven't seen the bodies myself so it's false" Weak. I haven’t seen the bodies myself so it could be true or false. Who profits from the corpses if it is true or false? Ukrainians that want the EU to join the war. Do I care if the EU joins the war? No. No need to argue. Well perhaps you should open your eyes, because it's very easy to see the bodies if you care to see what's happening over there. Civilians killed with hands tied behind their backs, executed people, shelled cities, etc. Your argument is that Ukraine is killing their own people to get other countries involved, when other countries were already supplying them with everything they need to win on their own. What did the Red Army have to gain by murdering and raping their way across Germany? What did the Nazis have to gain by murdering Jews? What does Putin have to gain now? Perhaps is just stupid soldiers with bloodlust, not thinking about profiting. This is a conscripted, poorly trained army with no leadership doing things that the Russian army has ALWAYS done. Use your fucking head. I saw many photos of armed civilians (including models holding airsoft) and Ukraine's government (and many here) "proud of it". Many videos of civilians helping the Ukrainian military killing "bad Russians". So, once those armed civilians are killed they are reprocessed into "innocent victims" by the MSM for mass consumption? As an example: Still keeping in mind several discussions not long ago, in this forum, about the Syrian civil war and many fabricated photos and videos. In Ukraine that stopped and "all is true"? |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 11:34:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah. Absolutely nothing like that here. LULZ! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36058/B10D4C1D-9F1A-4BA0-89EA-036730D31BAE-230-2339682.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I forgot to add common sense, which clearly is in short supply. i'd imagine that waterglass is saying the same thing about common sense. Probably, too bad he's yet to provide anything close to a convincing argument. Also, as far as Covid, it was clear by week 2 that things were not adding up. Government overreach was obvious, and "rules" put in place didn't make sense. There's nothing like that here. Yeah. Absolutely nothing like that here. LULZ! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36058/B10D4C1D-9F1A-4BA0-89EA-036730D31BAE-230-2339682.JPG Right, nothing like that here. With Covid, you could put together information coming from a variety of sources and understand that something didn't add up. By your logic you will NEVER know ANYTHING because you can't trust any information, even information you see with your own eyes. Have fun going through life never knowing a damn thing about anything. Or you could open your eyes, use your head, and make reasonable calls on things based on the information available. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 11:35:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure there are, but it's mostly muh msm programmed virtue signals. Hell my great grandmother was from the Ukraine.. and I could give a fuck to be honest. Screen name? Who doesn't love yankee transplants  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/463094/25C53101-BB7C-4C67-873E-0D0D7100210D_jpe-2338262.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lol, looks like someone drank the blue and yellow koolaid. Can't honestly remember if this is a direct example of it but you do realize there are Ukrainians and others in the affected region on this forum. Accurate meme by the way. Absolutely the most concise one illustrating the thinking behind so many that are hard core anti-involvement but not pro Russia. I'm sure there are, but it's mostly muh msm programmed virtue signals. Hell my great grandmother was from the Ukraine.. and I could give a fuck to be honest. Screen name? Who doesn't love yankee transplants https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/463094/25C53101-BB7C-4C67-873E-0D0D7100210D_jpe-2338262.JPG BLM Antifa Qanon Democratic Socialists of America wackadoodle conspiracy tards All of the above support Russia |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 11:36:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Right. Go do some more research. Read the 1,500 page thread and get up to speed before you talk as if you actually know what's going on, because you clearly don't. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I forgot to add common sense, which clearly is in short supply. i'd imagine that waterglass is saying the same thing about common sense. https://i.imgflip.com/6biipz.jpg Then make a logical argument. So far the best arguments are "covid was wrong so this is wrong" and "I haven't seen the bodies myself so it's false" Weak. I haven’t seen the bodies myself so it could be true or false. Who profits from the corpses if it is true or false? Ukrainians that want the EU to join the war. Do I care if the EU joins the war? No. No need to argue. Well perhaps you should open your eyes, because it's very easy to see the bodies if you care to see what's happening over there. Civilians killed with hands tied behind their backs, executed people, shelled cities, etc. Your argument is that Ukraine is killing their own people to get other countries involved, when other countries were already supplying them with everything they need to win on their own. What did the Red Army have to gain by murdering and raping their way across Germany? What did the Nazis have to gain by murdering Jews? This is a conscripted, poorly trained army with no leadership doing things that the Russian army has ALWAYS done. Use your fucking head. Meh. Don’t care. Then why come peddle your bullshit in a thread about something you admittedly are ignorant about? To see which CIA propagated horse shit was being pushed today. I pay for it after all. Right. Go do some more research. Read the 1,500 page thread and get up to speed before you talk as if you actually know what's going on, because you clearly don't. Are you talking about arfcom's censored thread with a clear "free Ukraine!" objective? Next you will tell us to also check CNN, NYT, WaPo, ANC, etc?  |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 11:38:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw many photos of armed civilians (including models holding airsoft) and Ukraine's government (and many here) "proud of it". Many videos of civilians helping the Ukrainian military killing "bad Russians". So, once those armed civilians are killed they are reprocessed into "innocent victims" by the MSM for mass consumption? As an example: Still keeping in mind several discussions not long ago, in this forum, about the Syrian civil war and many fabricated photos and videos. In Ukraine that stopped and "all is true"? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I forgot to add common sense, which clearly is in short supply. i'd imagine that waterglass is saying the same thing about common sense. https://i.imgflip.com/6biipz.jpg Then make a logical argument. So far the best arguments are "covid was wrong so this is wrong" and "I haven't seen the bodies myself so it's false" Weak. I haven’t seen the bodies myself so it could be true or false. Who profits from the corpses if it is true or false? Ukrainians that want the EU to join the war. Do I care if the EU joins the war? No. No need to argue. Well perhaps you should open your eyes, because it's very easy to see the bodies if you care to see what's happening over there. Civilians killed with hands tied behind their backs, executed people, shelled cities, etc. Your argument is that Ukraine is killing their own people to get other countries involved, when other countries were already supplying them with everything they need to win on their own. What did the Red Army have to gain by murdering and raping their way across Germany? What did the Nazis have to gain by murdering Jews? What does Putin have to gain now? Perhaps is just stupid soldiers with bloodlust, not thinking about profiting. This is a conscripted, poorly trained army with no leadership doing things that the Russian army has ALWAYS done. Use your fucking head. I saw many photos of armed civilians (including models holding airsoft) and Ukraine's government (and many here) "proud of it". Many videos of civilians helping the Ukrainian military killing "bad Russians". So, once those armed civilians are killed they are reprocessed into "innocent victims" by the MSM for mass consumption? As an example: Still keeping in mind several discussions not long ago, in this forum, about the Syrian civil war and many fabricated photos and videos. In Ukraine that stopped and "all is true"? Who said all is true? Can you comprehend the difference between a civilian fighter killed somewhere and piles of civilian bodies with hands tied behind their backs? Oh right, those pics are fabricated right. You're a known putin lover, I remember you- namely because your screen name is the same name as my favorite hotel in Saint Petersburg. At any rate your judgement is suspect, and you have no credibility. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 11:39:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you talking about arfcom's censored thread with a clear "free Ukraine!" objective? Next you will tell us to also check CNN, NYT, WaPo, ANC, etc? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I forgot to add common sense, which clearly is in short supply. i'd imagine that waterglass is saying the same thing about common sense. https://i.imgflip.com/6biipz.jpg Then make a logical argument. So far the best arguments are "covid was wrong so this is wrong" and "I haven't seen the bodies myself so it's false" Weak. I haven’t seen the bodies myself so it could be true or false. Who profits from the corpses if it is true or false? Ukrainians that want the EU to join the war. Do I care if the EU joins the war? No. No need to argue. Well perhaps you should open your eyes, because it's very easy to see the bodies if you care to see what's happening over there. Civilians killed with hands tied behind their backs, executed people, shelled cities, etc. Your argument is that Ukraine is killing their own people to get other countries involved, when other countries were already supplying them with everything they need to win on their own. What did the Red Army have to gain by murdering and raping their way across Germany? What did the Nazis have to gain by murdering Jews? This is a conscripted, poorly trained army with no leadership doing things that the Russian army has ALWAYS done. Use your fucking head. Meh. Don’t care. Then why come peddle your bullshit in a thread about something you admittedly are ignorant about? To see which CIA propagated horse shit was being pushed today. I pay for it after all. Right. Go do some more research. Read the 1,500 page thread and get up to speed before you talk as if you actually know what's going on, because you clearly don't. Are you talking about arfcom's censored thread with a clear "free Ukraine!" objective? Next you will tell us to also check CNN, NYT, WaPo, ANC, etc? The thread that kicks people out that thread slide and repeat KNOWN Kremlin talking points? Sorry that hit a nerve, did you get removed? |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 11:42:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw many photos of armed civilians (including models holding airsoft) and Ukraine's government (and many here) "proud of it". Many videos of civilians helping the Ukrainian military killing "bad Russians". So, once those armed civilians are killed they are reprocessed into "innocent victims" by the MSM for mass consumption? As an example: Still keeping in mind several discussions not long ago, in this forum, about the Syrian civil war and many fabricated photos and videos. In Ukraine that stopped and "all is true"? You know what you are right. We gotta watch out for propaganda. Remmeber how right wing terrorists tried to turn Randy weaver a neo nazi terrorists into a saint saint when he was shooting at helicopters and using his toddler as a human shield? |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 11:44:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So our MSM is untrustworthy, so you think we should parrot Kremlin talking points instead? Also, we could talk all day about our own MSM, but this thread is about RT. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's always been laughable state run media, with a few good articles. Russians I know are shocked that any Americans think it's any good. a substantial segment of our American society is SO turned off by our own dishonest MSM ("Democrat Media Complex") that they now turn to & rely on foreign news outlets... instead of continuing to "parrot" the western socialist-globalist talking points, take some time to think about that, and why that is So our MSM is untrustworthy, so you think we should parrot Kremlin talking points instead? Also, we could talk all day about our own MSM, but this thread is about RT. please tell me what in that I said even remotely suggested we should be parroting Russian state media? we should absolutely be discussing distrust in our own Democrat Media Complex....it is central to why people are seeking out foreign news outlets over domestic  near 75% un-trustworthy, and last of 46 countries......ouch! |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 11:50:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: please tell me what in that I said even remotely suggested we should be parroting Russian state media? we should absolutely be discussing distrust in our own Democrat Media Complex....it is central to why people are seeking out foreign news outlets over domestic https://www.poynter.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Screen-Shot-2021-06-22-at-5.03.47-PM.png near 75% un-trustworthy, and last of 46 countries......ouch! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's always been laughable state run media, with a few good articles. Russians I know are shocked that any Americans think it's any good. a substantial segment of our American society is SO turned off by our own dishonest MSM ("Democrat Media Complex") that they now turn to & rely on foreign news outlets... instead of continuing to "parrot" the western socialist-globalist talking points, take some time to think about that, and why that is So our MSM is untrustworthy, so you think we should parrot Kremlin talking points instead? Also, we could talk all day about our own MSM, but this thread is about RT. please tell me what in that I said even remotely suggested we should be parroting Russian state media? we should absolutely be discussing distrust in our own Democrat Media Complex....it is central to why people are seeking out foreign news outlets over domestic https://www.poynter.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Screen-Shot-2021-06-22-at-5.03.47-PM.png near 75% un-trustworthy, and last of 46 countries......ouch! I'm not arguing our media doesn't suck. I'm saying it's irrelevant, and that RT is Kremlin owned propaganda- anyone that buys into it is parroting Russian talking points. BTW- there's plenty of sources to get information on the current war that isn't the US MSM, to include fairly trustworthy sources from countries in your graph...but people here are still not going to believe it. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 11:53:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not arguing our media doesn't suck. I'm saying it's irrelevant, and that RT is Kremlin owned propaganda- anyone that buys into it is parroting Russian talking points. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 11:56:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bet all those people agree that you shouldn't eat the dog turds in your neighbors yard so...... hope you're hungry Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just because it's a "satellite photo", it cannot be fabricated? Considering how the MSM has been blatantly lying about so many things and censoring information for so many years, I do not trust anything they advertise (cannot say publish anymore). And there's this: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36058/B10D4C1D-9F1A-4BA0-89EA-036730D31BAE-230-2339644.JPG I bet all those people agree that you shouldn't eat the dog turds in your neighbors yard so...... hope you're hungry It appears that you rely heavily on dog turd in your diet. Luckily for me, they are not on my menu. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 11:58:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maxar technologies based in Colorado. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Who own those satellites? Are we getting all the images? Are the images we are getting being doctored? Depending on the sources: The 2020 "elections" were just, had no fraud and the pedophile really got 81 million votes. The pedophile's son's laptop was a "Russia propaganda". The "Trump-Russia collusion" was real. Benghazi happened because of a video posted on Youtube. The US southern border crisis is a rightwing-Russia fabrication. The "covid pandemic and the required mandates" were absolutely necessary and the "vaccines work". I can continue this list for a long time. All of them based on "hard evidence by sources and experts" (provided by the sources publishing them). How did it go? Maxar technologies based in Colorado. Is that enough to make it a reputable/credible source? |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 11:59:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not arguing our media doesn't suck. I'm saying it's irrelevant, and that RT is Kremlin owned propaganda- anyone that buys into it is parroting Russian talking points. either I overlooked it or you are beating dead horses... please show me where someone here is denying RT to be a Russian state media outlet? you think parroting Democrat Media Complex Global Socialist talking points is somehow better? you are missing the relevance of why Americans are ending up on RT in the first place |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:01:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that enough to make it a reputable/credible source? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Who own those satellites? Are we getting all the images? Are the images we are getting being doctored? Depending on the sources: The 2020 "elections" were just, had no fraud and the pedophile really got 81 million votes. The pedophile's son's laptop was a "Russia propaganda". The "Trump-Russia collusion" was real. Benghazi happened because of a video posted on Youtube. The US southern border crisis is a rightwing-Russia fabrication. The "covid pandemic and the required mandates" were absolutely necessary and the "vaccines work". I can continue this list for a long time. All of them based on "hard evidence by sources and experts" (provided by the sources publishing them). How did it go? Maxar technologies based in Colorado. Is that enough to make it a reputable/credible source? look at the pictures...corroborated by witness statements, and pictures on the ground. Ignore it all if you want, but it doesn't make you smart. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:03:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m sure there are, but it’s mostly muh msm programmed virtue signals. Hell my great grandmother was from the Ukraine.. and I could give a fuck to be honest. Chapel Hill dad is all I need to see to know what the person driving it is like. The Biden sticker just confirms. Screen name? Who doesn’t love yankee transplants https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/463094/25C53101-BB7C-4C67-873E-0D0D7100210D_jpe-2338262.JPG |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:03:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: either I overlooked it or you are beating dead horses... please show me where someone here is denying RT to be a Russian state media outlet? you think parroting Democrat Media Complex Global Socialist talking points is somehow better? you are missing the relevance of why Americans are ending up on RT in the first place Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not arguing our media doesn't suck. I'm saying it's irrelevant, and that RT is Kremlin owned propaganda- anyone that buys into it is parroting Russian talking points. either I overlooked it or you are beating dead horses... please show me where someone here is denying RT to be a Russian state media outlet? you think parroting Democrat Media Complex Global Socialist talking points is somehow better? you are missing the relevance of why Americans are ending up on RT in the first place Did you read the OP and all the idiots in this thread talking about how RT isn't a bad source? You read the OP right? Yes, occasionally the MSM gets something right. In this case, much of the war reporting is corroborated by a VARIETY of different sources. You can pretend that's not the case if you prefer. This is where common sense comes in. Everything should be taken with a grain of salt, but ignoring a truth because you don't like the source is ignorant as fuck. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:04:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: either I overlooked it or you are beating dead horses... please show me where someone here is denying RT to be a Russian state media outlet? you think parroting Democrat Media Complex Global Socialist talking points is somehow better? you are missing the relevance of why Americans are ending up on RT in the first place |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:08:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's that weak binary thinking. Our media is full of shit, so the media that disagrees with our media must be telling the truth. It always helps if the alternate media is supporting the alternate narrative. It's almost like it isn't an accident and it's specifically targeted to support the confirmation bias of the audience that doesn't like the institutions of the target country. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not arguing our media doesn't suck. I'm saying it's irrelevant, and that RT is Kremlin owned propaganda- anyone that buys into it is parroting Russian talking points. Weak binary thinking has been a plague on arf for years now. Not a fan of trump? SYGL. Support a sovereign country invaded by a bully neighbor? You're a globalist globohomo. Meanwhile they lap up every idiot thing RT has to say KNOWING it's state run media and fail to see the irony. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:12:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you read the OP and all the idiots in this thread talking about how RT isn't a bad source? You read the OP right? Yes, occasionally the MSM gets something right. In this case, much of the war reporting is corroborated by a VARIETY of different sources. You can pretend that's not the case if you prefer. This is where common sense comes in. Everything should be taken with a grain of salt, but ignoring a truth because you don't like the source is ignorant as fuck. Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you read the OP and all the idiots in this thread talking about how RT isn't a bad source? You read the OP right? Yes, occasionally the MSM gets something right. In this case, much of the war reporting is corroborated by a VARIETY of different sources. You can pretend that's not the case if you prefer. This is where common sense comes in. Everything should be taken with a grain of salt, but ignoring a truth because you don't like the source is ignorant as fuck. I did read the OP; and specific statement he made caught my attention Quoted: I'd never been there before and was curious. I figured it would be a LOL like Pravda. Not really. Try this story on Bucha. Defiantly NOT what I was expecting. https://www.rt.com/russia/553288-zelensky-bucha-mass-killing/ Their world news looks better than anything in this country and the BBC, which used to have great world news, is entirely woke. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:14:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Right, nothing like that here. With Covid, you could put together information coming from a variety of sources and understand that something didn't add up. By your logic you will NEVER know ANYTHING because you can't trust any information, even information you see with your own eyes. Have fun going through life never knowing a damn thing about anything. Or you could open your eyes, use your head, and make reasonable calls on things based on the information available. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I forgot to add common sense, which clearly is in short supply. i'd imagine that waterglass is saying the same thing about common sense. Probably, too bad he's yet to provide anything close to a convincing argument. Also, as far as Covid, it was clear by week 2 that things were not adding up. Government overreach was obvious, and "rules" put in place didn't make sense. There's nothing like that here. Yeah. Absolutely nothing like that here. LULZ! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36058/B10D4C1D-9F1A-4BA0-89EA-036730D31BAE-230-2339682.JPG Right, nothing like that here. With Covid, you could put together information coming from a variety of sources and understand that something didn't add up. By your logic you will NEVER know ANYTHING because you can't trust any information, even information you see with your own eyes. Have fun going through life never knowing a damn thing about anything. Or you could open your eyes, use your head, and make reasonable calls on things based on the information available. You intentionally ignored my point. Using tour covid example, it was possible to see (by the non-braindead) that none of the information officially provided added up. It has been possible to research multiple sources and crosscheck information to get near the truth. Transpose to Ukraine and the same sources that pushed the "covid pandemic" are pushing the "free Ukraine!" and trying to rally everyone towards that cause. What makes the Ukraine case much more difficult to assess (by the non-braindead) is that is a smaller event taking place in a far-away location and with very limited sources of information, most of them already proved untrustworthy a long time ago. However, we know for sure that Ukraine is a money-laundering corrupt-to-the-core shithole that only serves billionaires associated with organizations that do not have mankind's wellbeing in mind (e.g. WEF, clinton foundation, etc.) purposes. Add to that how low important that event is, compared to much more pressing issues Americans are facing at home. Conclusion, that falls in the barely-move-the-needle category, since we are getting fabricated news from both sides of an event that is not important. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:18:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I did read the OP; and specific statement he made caught my attention Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Did you read the OP and all the idiots in this thread talking about how RT isn't a bad source? You read the OP right? Yes, occasionally the MSM gets something right. In this case, much of the war reporting is corroborated by a VARIETY of different sources. You can pretend that's not the case if you prefer. This is where common sense comes in. Everything should be taken with a grain of salt, but ignoring a truth because you don't like the source is ignorant as fuck. I did read the OP; and specific statement he made caught my attention Quoted: I'd never been there before and was curious. I figured it would be a LOL like Pravda. Not really. Try this story on Bucha. Defiantly NOT what I was expecting. https://www.rt.com/russia/553288-zelensky-bucha-mass-killing/ Their world news looks better than anything in this country and the BBC, which used to have great world news, is entirely woke. And you missed the real point- their world news is Kremlin talking points and half truths made to make Russia look good. It's meant to make you question the truth of what they are doing in Ukraine. Even Russians know this, by and large. It's a shame we don't. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:20:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who said all is true? Can you comprehend the difference between a civilian fighter killed somewhere and piles of civilian bodies with hands tied behind their backs? Oh right, those pics are fabricated right. You're a known putin lover, I remember you- namely because your screen name is the same name as my favorite hotel in Saint Petersburg. At any rate your judgement is suspect, and you have no credibility. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I forgot to add common sense, which clearly is in short supply. i'd imagine that waterglass is saying the same thing about common sense. https://i.imgflip.com/6biipz.jpg Then make a logical argument. So far the best arguments are "covid was wrong so this is wrong" and "I haven't seen the bodies myself so it's false" Weak. I haven’t seen the bodies myself so it could be true or false. Who profits from the corpses if it is true or false? Ukrainians that want the EU to join the war. Do I care if the EU joins the war? No. No need to argue. Well perhaps you should open your eyes, because it's very easy to see the bodies if you care to see what's happening over there. Civilians killed with hands tied behind their backs, executed people, shelled cities, etc. Your argument is that Ukraine is killing their own people to get other countries involved, when other countries were already supplying them with everything they need to win on their own. What did the Red Army have to gain by murdering and raping their way across Germany? What did the Nazis have to gain by murdering Jews? What does Putin have to gain now? Perhaps is just stupid soldiers with bloodlust, not thinking about profiting. This is a conscripted, poorly trained army with no leadership doing things that the Russian army has ALWAYS done. Use your fucking head. I saw many photos of armed civilians (including models holding airsoft) and Ukraine's government (and many here) "proud of it". Many videos of civilians helping the Ukrainian military killing "bad Russians". So, once those armed civilians are killed they are reprocessed into "innocent victims" by the MSM for mass consumption? As an example: Still keeping in mind several discussions not long ago, in this forum, about the Syrian civil war and many fabricated photos and videos. In Ukraine that stopped and "all is true"? Who said all is true? Can you comprehend the difference between a civilian fighter killed somewhere and piles of civilian bodies with hands tied behind their backs? Oh right, those pics are fabricated right. You're a known putin lover, I remember you- namely because your screen name is the same name as my favorite hotel in Saint Petersburg. At any rate your judgement is suspect, and you have no credibility. So, if by not buying the "free Ukraine!" propaganda that makes me a "Putin lover", what does zealously pushing that propaganda makes you? A "soros balls licker"? |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:22:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, if by not buying the "free Ukraine!" propaganda that makes me a "Putin lover", what does zealously pushing that propaganda makes you? A "soros balls licker"? |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:24:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And you missed the real point- their world news is Kremlin talking points and half truths made to make Russia look good. It's meant to make you question the truth of what they are doing in Ukraine. Even Russians know this, by and large. It's a shame we don't. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Did you read the OP and all the idiots in this thread talking about how RT isn't a bad source? You read the OP right? Yes, occasionally the MSM gets something right. In this case, much of the war reporting is corroborated by a VARIETY of different sources. You can pretend that's not the case if you prefer. This is where common sense comes in. Everything should be taken with a grain of salt, but ignoring a truth because you don't like the source is ignorant as fuck. I did read the OP; and specific statement he made caught my attention Quoted: I'd never been there before and was curious. I figured it would be a LOL like Pravda. Not really. Try this story on Bucha. Defiantly NOT what I was expecting. https://www.rt.com/russia/553288-zelensky-bucha-mass-killing/ Their world news looks better than anything in this country and the BBC, which used to have great world news, is entirely woke. And you missed the real point- their world news is Kremlin talking points and half truths made to make Russia look good. It's meant to make you question the truth of what they are doing in Ukraine. Even Russians know this, by and large. It's a shame we don't. please explain in clarity how the OP is making the point you claim: Quoted: I'd never been there before and was curious. I figured it would be a LOL like Pravda. Not really. Try this story on Bucha. Defiantly NOT what I was expecting. https://www.rt.com/russia/553288-zelensky-bucha-mass-killing/ Their world news looks better than anything in this country and the BBC, which used to have great world news, is entirely woke. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:24:12 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You intentionally ignored my point. Using tour covid example, it was possible to see (by the non-braindead) that none of the information officially provided added up. It has been possible to research multiple sources and crosscheck information to get near the truth. Transpose to Ukraine and the same sources that pushed the "covid pandemic" are pushing the "free Ukraine!" and trying to rally everyone towards that cause. What makes the Ukraine case much more difficult to assess (by the non-braindead) is that is a smaller event taking place in a far-away location and with very limited sources of information, most of them already proved untrustworthy a long time ago. However, we know for sure that Ukraine is a money-laundering corrupt-to-the-core shithole that only serves billionaires associated with organizations that do not have mankind's wellbeing in mind (e.g. WEF, clinton foundation, etc.) purposes. Add to that how low important that event is, compared to much more pressing issues Americans are facing at home. Conclusion, that falls in the barely-move-the-needle category, since we are getting fabricated news from both sides of an event that is not important. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I forgot to add common sense, which clearly is in short supply. i'd imagine that waterglass is saying the same thing about common sense. Probably, too bad he's yet to provide anything close to a convincing argument. Also, as far as Covid, it was clear by week 2 that things were not adding up. Government overreach was obvious, and "rules" put in place didn't make sense. There's nothing like that here. Yeah. Absolutely nothing like that here. LULZ! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36058/B10D4C1D-9F1A-4BA0-89EA-036730D31BAE-230-2339682.JPG Right, nothing like that here. With Covid, you could put together information coming from a variety of sources and understand that something didn't add up. By your logic you will NEVER know ANYTHING because you can't trust any information, even information you see with your own eyes. Have fun going through life never knowing a damn thing about anything. Or you could open your eyes, use your head, and make reasonable calls on things based on the information available. You intentionally ignored my point. Using tour covid example, it was possible to see (by the non-braindead) that none of the information officially provided added up. It has been possible to research multiple sources and crosscheck information to get near the truth. Transpose to Ukraine and the same sources that pushed the "covid pandemic" are pushing the "free Ukraine!" and trying to rally everyone towards that cause. What makes the Ukraine case much more difficult to assess (by the non-braindead) is that is a smaller event taking place in a far-away location and with very limited sources of information, most of them already proved untrustworthy a long time ago. However, we know for sure that Ukraine is a money-laundering corrupt-to-the-core shithole that only serves billionaires associated with organizations that do not have mankind's wellbeing in mind (e.g. WEF, clinton foundation, etc.) purposes. Add to that how low important that event is, compared to much more pressing issues Americans are facing at home. Conclusion, that falls in the barely-move-the-needle category, since we are getting fabricated news from both sides of an event that is not important. Except you're wrong. There are a variety of sources we can use to make some judgement calls on what is going on there. Distance doesn't matter, but if it does then I was within 100 miles of the Ukrainian border recently so apparently I would know better than you right? Regardless, we do not have limited sources of information, only the complete braindead and ignorant would make that claim. There's more information coming out about this war than any war in history, and it's happening in near real time. Yes, some of it is bad, but quite a lot of it is pretty good and a smart person can piece those many sources together. Corruption in Ukraine is an irrelevant talking point as well. If you think this event is not important then you are almost not worth even talking to. This even has made the world more unstable than it has been in...decades...maybe longer. Both in a physical way, and financial. If you can't see that then you are an absolute fool. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:25:44 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So, if by not buying the "free Ukraine!" propaganda that makes me a "Putin lover", what does zealously pushing that propaganda makes you? A "soros balls licker"? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I forgot to add common sense, which clearly is in short supply. i'd imagine that waterglass is saying the same thing about common sense. https://i.imgflip.com/6biipz.jpg Then make a logical argument. So far the best arguments are "covid was wrong so this is wrong" and "I haven't seen the bodies myself so it's false" Weak. I haven’t seen the bodies myself so it could be true or false. Who profits from the corpses if it is true or false? Ukrainians that want the EU to join the war. Do I care if the EU joins the war? No. No need to argue. Well perhaps you should open your eyes, because it's very easy to see the bodies if you care to see what's happening over there. Civilians killed with hands tied behind their backs, executed people, shelled cities, etc. Your argument is that Ukraine is killing their own people to get other countries involved, when other countries were already supplying them with everything they need to win on their own. What did the Red Army have to gain by murdering and raping their way across Germany? What did the Nazis have to gain by murdering Jews? What does Putin have to gain now? Perhaps is just stupid soldiers with bloodlust, not thinking about profiting. This is a conscripted, poorly trained army with no leadership doing things that the Russian army has ALWAYS done. Use your fucking head. I saw many photos of armed civilians (including models holding airsoft) and Ukraine's government (and many here) "proud of it". Many videos of civilians helping the Ukrainian military killing "bad Russians". So, once those armed civilians are killed they are reprocessed into "innocent victims" by the MSM for mass consumption? As an example: Still keeping in mind several discussions not long ago, in this forum, about the Syrian civil war and many fabricated photos and videos. In Ukraine that stopped and "all is true"? Who said all is true? Can you comprehend the difference between a civilian fighter killed somewhere and piles of civilian bodies with hands tied behind their backs? Oh right, those pics are fabricated right. You're a known putin lover, I remember you- namely because your screen name is the same name as my favorite hotel in Saint Petersburg. At any rate your judgement is suspect, and you have no credibility. So, if by not buying the "free Ukraine!" propaganda that makes me a "Putin lover", what does zealously pushing that propaganda makes you? A "soros balls licker"? You were slobbing Putin's knob before the war even started, don't try to lie about it...I remember. What propaganda am I pushing? You mean information coming from a variety of sources on the ground, and in the air? Meanwhile you're pushing Kremlin talking points and claiming to be a smart guy lmao. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:26:33 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: please explain in clarity how the OP is making the point you claim: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Did you read the OP and all the idiots in this thread talking about how RT isn't a bad source? You read the OP right? Yes, occasionally the MSM gets something right. In this case, much of the war reporting is corroborated by a VARIETY of different sources. You can pretend that's not the case if you prefer. This is where common sense comes in. Everything should be taken with a grain of salt, but ignoring a truth because you don't like the source is ignorant as fuck. I did read the OP; and specific statement he made caught my attention Quoted: I'd never been there before and was curious. I figured it would be a LOL like Pravda. Not really. Try this story on Bucha. Defiantly NOT what I was expecting. https://www.rt.com/russia/553288-zelensky-bucha-mass-killing/ Their world news looks better than anything in this country and the BBC, which used to have great world news, is entirely woke. And you missed the real point- their world news is Kremlin talking points and half truths made to make Russia look good. It's meant to make you question the truth of what they are doing in Ukraine. Even Russians know this, by and large. It's a shame we don't. please explain in clarity how the OP is making the point you claim: Quoted: I'd never been there before and was curious. I figured it would be a LOL like Pravda. Not really. Try this story on Bucha. Defiantly NOT what I was expecting. https://www.rt.com/russia/553288-zelensky-bucha-mass-killing/ Their world news looks better than anything in this country and the BBC, which used to have great world news, is entirely woke. "Their world news looks better than anything in this country and the BBC" Their world news is Kremlin talking points. I don't know how I could be clearer. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:28:02 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: please explain in clarity how the OP is making the point you claim: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Did you read the OP and all the idiots in this thread talking about how RT isn't a bad source? You read the OP right? Yes, occasionally the MSM gets something right. In this case, much of the war reporting is corroborated by a VARIETY of different sources. You can pretend that's not the case if you prefer. This is where common sense comes in. Everything should be taken with a grain of salt, but ignoring a truth because you don't like the source is ignorant as fuck. I did read the OP; and specific statement he made caught my attention Quoted: I'd never been there before and was curious. I figured it would be a LOL like Pravda. Not really. Try this story on Bucha. Defiantly NOT what I was expecting. https://www.rt.com/russia/553288-zelensky-bucha-mass-killing/ Their world news looks better than anything in this country and the BBC, which used to have great world news, is entirely woke. And you missed the real point- their world news is Kremlin talking points and half truths made to make Russia look good. It's meant to make you question the truth of what they are doing in Ukraine. Even Russians know this, by and large. It's a shame we don't. please explain in clarity how the OP is making the point you claim: Quoted: I'd never been there before and was curious. I figured it would be a LOL like Pravda. Not really. Try this story on Bucha. Defiantly NOT what I was expecting. https://www.rt.com/russia/553288-zelensky-bucha-mass-killing/ Their world news looks better than anything in this country and the BBC, which used to have great world news, is entirely woke.  |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:28:39 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The thread that kicks people out that thread slide and repeat KNOWN Kremlin talking points? Sorry that hit a nerve, did you get removed? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I forgot to add common sense, which clearly is in short supply. i'd imagine that waterglass is saying the same thing about common sense. https://i.imgflip.com/6biipz.jpg Then make a logical argument. So far the best arguments are "covid was wrong so this is wrong" and "I haven't seen the bodies myself so it's false" Weak. I haven’t seen the bodies myself so it could be true or false. Who profits from the corpses if it is true or false? Ukrainians that want the EU to join the war. Do I care if the EU joins the war? No. No need to argue. Well perhaps you should open your eyes, because it's very easy to see the bodies if you care to see what's happening over there. Civilians killed with hands tied behind their backs, executed people, shelled cities, etc. Your argument is that Ukraine is killing their own people to get other countries involved, when other countries were already supplying them with everything they need to win on their own. What did the Red Army have to gain by murdering and raping their way across Germany? What did the Nazis have to gain by murdering Jews? This is a conscripted, poorly trained army with no leadership doing things that the Russian army has ALWAYS done. Use your fucking head. Meh. Don’t care. Then why come peddle your bullshit in a thread about something you admittedly are ignorant about? To see which CIA propagated horse shit was being pushed today. I pay for it after all. Right. Go do some more research. Read the 1,500 page thread and get up to speed before you talk as if you actually know what's going on, because you clearly don't. Are you talking about arfcom's censored thread with a clear "free Ukraine!" objective? Next you will tell us to also check CNN, NYT, WaPo, ANC, etc? The thread that kicks people out that thread slide and repeat KNOWN Kremlin talking points? Sorry that hit a nerve, did you get removed? "Russia, Russia!" Your girl paying fines (when she should be facing a firing squad) because of the fabricated Trump-Russia collusion she pushed makes your point and that thread quite credible, like Twitter and Facebook posts and discussions in those echo chambers, and CNN, NYT, WaPo and other MSM articles. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:28:51 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "Their world news looks better than anything in this country and the BBC" Their world news is Kremlin talking points. I don't know how I could be clearer. OP was deriding western news. He said nothing of "talking points". Do you understand your are projecting? |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:32:17 PM EDT
[#31]
Here's some recent headlines from RT:
RUSSIA: NATIONAL SECURITY THREATS LEFT NO CHOICE BUT TO START MILITARY OPERATION. RUSSIA SAYS ITS GOALS IN UKRAINE TO DEMILITARIZE & DENAZIFY THE COUNTRY MILITIA SAYS 40 TOWNS AND VILLAGES NOW LIBERATED IN CURRENT OFFENSIVE Meanwhile the few legit reporters RT had quit when the war started, but lets just ignore that too. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:33:21 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You know what you are right. We gotta watch out for propaganda. Remmeber how right wing terrorists tried to turn Randy weaver a neo nazi terrorists into a saint saint when he was shooting at helicopters and using his toddler as a human shield? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I saw many photos of armed civilians (including models holding airsoft) and Ukraine's government (and many here) "proud of it". Many videos of civilians helping the Ukrainian military killing "bad Russians". So, once those armed civilians are killed they are reprocessed into "innocent victims" by the MSM for mass consumption? As an example: Still keeping in mind several discussions not long ago, in this forum, about the Syrian civil war and many fabricated photos and videos. In Ukraine that stopped and "all is true"? You know what you are right. We gotta watch out for propaganda. Remmeber how right wing terrorists tried to turn Randy weaver a neo nazi terrorists into a saint saint when he was shooting at helicopters and using his toddler as a human shield? I wasn't aware of that one. However, it's not for nothing that the old saying "truth is the first casualty of war" holds true to this day. I remember reading a very good article about the Rose of Tokyo (not sure if here on arfcom) that talked about this issue. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:33:59 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "Russia, Russia!" Your girl paying fines (when she should be facing a firing squad) because of the fabricated Trump-Russia collusion she pushed makes your point and that thread quite credible, like Twitter and Facebook posts and discussions in those echo chambers, and CNN, NYT, WaPo and other MSM articles. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I forgot to add common sense, which clearly is in short supply. i'd imagine that waterglass is saying the same thing about common sense. https://i.imgflip.com/6biipz.jpg Then make a logical argument. So far the best arguments are "covid was wrong so this is wrong" and "I haven't seen the bodies myself so it's false" Weak. I haven’t seen the bodies myself so it could be true or false. Who profits from the corpses if it is true or false? Ukrainians that want the EU to join the war. Do I care if the EU joins the war? No. No need to argue. Well perhaps you should open your eyes, because it's very easy to see the bodies if you care to see what's happening over there. Civilians killed with hands tied behind their backs, executed people, shelled cities, etc. Your argument is that Ukraine is killing their own people to get other countries involved, when other countries were already supplying them with everything they need to win on their own. What did the Red Army have to gain by murdering and raping their way across Germany? What did the Nazis have to gain by murdering Jews? This is a conscripted, poorly trained army with no leadership doing things that the Russian army has ALWAYS done. Use your fucking head. Meh. Don’t care. Then why come peddle your bullshit in a thread about something you admittedly are ignorant about? To see which CIA propagated horse shit was being pushed today. I pay for it after all. Right. Go do some more research. Read the 1,500 page thread and get up to speed before you talk as if you actually know what's going on, because you clearly don't. Are you talking about arfcom's censored thread with a clear "free Ukraine!" objective? Next you will tell us to also check CNN, NYT, WaPo, ANC, etc? The thread that kicks people out that thread slide and repeat KNOWN Kremlin talking points? Sorry that hit a nerve, did you get removed? "Russia, Russia!" Your girl paying fines (when she should be facing a firing squad) because of the fabricated Trump-Russia collusion she pushed makes your point and that thread quite credible, like Twitter and Facebook posts and discussions in those echo chambers, and CNN, NYT, WaPo and other MSM articles. My girl? Who is my girl? Are you suggesting it's Hillary? You think I voted for her? Interesting. Show your work on that one, or stop lying. Russia is LITERALLY invading a sovereign country and murdering civilians right now. This has nothing to do with "collusion". |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:34:28 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OP was deriding western news. He said nothing of "talking points". Do you understand your are projecting? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "Their world news looks better than anything in this country and the BBC" Their world news is Kremlin talking points. I don't know how I could be clearer. OP was deriding western news. He said nothing of "talking points". Do you understand your are projecting? I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:39:14 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's that weak binary thinking. Our media is full of shit, so the media that disagrees with our media must be telling the truth. It always helps if the alternate media is supporting the alternate narrative. It's almost like it isn't an accident and it's specifically targeted to support the confirmation bias of the audience that doesn't like the institutions of the target country. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not arguing our media doesn't suck. I'm saying it's irrelevant, and that RT is Kremlin owned propaganda- anyone that buys into it is parroting Russian talking points. No, it's because our media is full of shit and completely untrustworthy that anyone seeking the truth needs to read "the other side" and try to figure out the truth hidden in between. So, we know both sides lie. Only way to try to find out what's really going on is listening to both sides. Like the old-style courts of law do. Have you heard of it? |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:40:56 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You need to sit in a room all by yourself and read your sig line a few times. Came here to post this. The cognitive dissonance is real. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:42:19 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Typical Seagal posting from a `22er... fly in, shitpost and fly away... Probably better than someone from 2007 changing their avatar to the new shiny thing. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:43:32 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Here's some recent headlines from RT: RUSSIA: NATIONAL SECURITY THREATS LEFT NO CHOICE BUT TO START MILITARY OPERATION. RUSSIA SAYS ITS GOALS IN UKRAINE TO DEMILITARIZE & DENAZIFY THE COUNTRY MILITIA SAYS 40 TOWNS AND VILLAGES NOW LIBERATED IN CURRENT OFFENSIVE Meanwhile the few legit reporters RT had quit when the war started, but lets just ignore that too. https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946 https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraine-turns-a-blind-eye-to-ultrarightist-militia/2017/02/12/dbf9ea3c-ecab-11e6-b4ff-ac2cf509efe5_story.html https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/03/10/ukraine-azov-brigade-nazis-abuses-separatists/24664937/ ....appears the Kremlin is "parroting" the western Democrat Media Complex |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:46:19 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946 https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraine-turns-a-blind-eye-to-ultrarightist-militia/2017/02/12/dbf9ea3c-ecab-11e6-b4ff-ac2cf509efe5_story.html https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/03/10/ukraine-azov-brigade-nazis-abuses-separatists/24664937/ ....appears the Kremlin is "parroting" the western Democrat Media Complex Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Here's some recent headlines from RT: RUSSIA: NATIONAL SECURITY THREATS LEFT NO CHOICE BUT TO START MILITARY OPERATION. RUSSIA SAYS ITS GOALS IN UKRAINE TO DEMILITARIZE & DENAZIFY THE COUNTRY MILITIA SAYS 40 TOWNS AND VILLAGES NOW LIBERATED IN CURRENT OFFENSIVE Meanwhile the few legit reporters RT had quit when the war started, but lets just ignore that too. https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946 https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraine-turns-a-blind-eye-to-ultrarightist-militia/2017/02/12/dbf9ea3c-ecab-11e6-b4ff-ac2cf509efe5_story.html https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/03/10/ukraine-azov-brigade-nazis-abuses-separatists/24664937/ ....appears the Kremlin is "parroting" the western Democrat Media Complex Apparently you missed the part where I said our MSM sucks too, also opinion articles are a reach dude. So are ones from 2015. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:46:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, it's because our media is full of shit and completely untrustworthy that anyone seeking the truth needs to read "the other side" and try to figure out the truth hidden in between. So, we know both sides lie. Only way to try to find out what's really going on is listening to both sides. Like the old-style courts of law do. Have you heard of it? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm not arguing our media doesn't suck. I'm saying it's irrelevant, and that RT is Kremlin owned propaganda- anyone that buys into it is parroting Russian talking points. No, it's because our media is full of shit and completely untrustworthy that anyone seeking the truth needs to read "the other side" and try to figure out the truth hidden in between. So, we know both sides lie. Only way to try to find out what's really going on is listening to both sides. Like the old-style courts of law do. Have you heard of it? In courts, there is something called an evidentiary standard. You don't get to introduce any and all evidence that you want to. Evidence that fails to meet a certain standard gets screened out and the jury never gets to see it because its BS. I could care less if you want to read state-sponsored propaganda or not, but it is not necessary to do so in the search for "truth". |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:47:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: look at the pictures...corroborated by witness statements, and pictures on the ground. Ignore it all if you want, but it doesn't make you smart. So you were there? On site? |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:50:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you were there? On site? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: look at the pictures...corroborated by witness statements, and pictures on the ground. Ignore it all if you want, but it doesn't make you smart. So you were there? On site? Don't be obtuse. It's absolutely moronic to make the argument that you can NEVER know ANYTHING as fact unless you personally witnessed it with your own eyes. By your logic NOTHING ever happened because you didn't see it yourself. As Theodoric mentioned above, there's a standard for evidence. Saying stuff like this will make people think you're dumb. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:50:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: look at the pictures...corroborated by witness statements, and pictures on the ground. Ignore it all if you want, but it doesn't make you smart. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Who own those satellites? Are we getting all the images? Are the images we are getting being doctored? Depending on the sources: The 2020 "elections" were just, had no fraud and the pedophile really got 81 million votes. The pedophile's son's laptop was a "Russia propaganda". The "Trump-Russia collusion" was real. Benghazi happened because of a video posted on Youtube. The US southern border crisis is a rightwing-Russia fabrication. The "covid pandemic and the required mandates" were absolutely necessary and the "vaccines work". I can continue this list for a long time. All of them based on "hard evidence by sources and experts" (provided by the sources publishing them). How did it go? Maxar technologies based in Colorado. Is that enough to make it a reputable/credible source? look at the pictures...corroborated by witness statements, and pictures on the ground. Ignore it all if you want, but it doesn't make you smart. Like that famous Kenosha case? I remember that even doctored images and videos were presented trying to incriminate the intended person and paint others as "victims", let alone "testimonies". Another one? Florida, a guy shot another who was about to kill him, but all the (same) media did everything it could to paint the guy who defended himself the criminal and the criminal the victim. Including posting fake photos and statements. And the same government (and characters) pushing the "free Ukraine!" narrative using the full weight of the state to push the fake narrative in Florida. I can cite other cases like that that happened right here, beside us in America. So, how does "photos, videos and testimonies" that come from questionable sources somewhere far away make it true? Who corroborated those "sources"? |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:55:55 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Apparently you missed the part where I said our MSM sucks too, also opinion articles are a reach dude. So are ones from 2015. what news outlets (foreign or domestic; state owned/funded or state aligned; etc.) are Americans supposed to read and trust (and "parrot")...in your opinion? |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:56:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: True about Ukrainians being affected, whether on this forum or not. Obviously I don't want any innocent people harmed. It's just that the globalists have had a hard-on for a USA v. Russia war for years. Some normal folks who are usually (and rightfully so) wary of the propaganda media are eating up every BS story out of Ukraine as if it were fact. They are reverting to some cold war mindset about the Evil Empire. The "globohomos", if you will, have been pushing their agendas in Ukraine and subverting the ethnic Russian people there. Somehow many of us have been tricked into rallying alongside these globalists. Personally, I support the Ukrainian people, which is why I don't want to see tranny kids and hordes of third world immigrants become the norm there. If the globohomos win and establish control, you just know it will be. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/556651/hillary_bogdanoff_jpeg-2338277.JPG Globalists have a hard on for Russia and China right now because both have opted out of the WEF’s plan for the great reset. Russia being the weaker of the two was pushed into a position where they would likely do something dumb. In Russia’s mind Obama allowed Crimea and Georgia to occur, and probably thought like that the west would take a hard stance. Problem is the democrats have something rotten in Ukraine. You have all of the Biden family deals and cover ups, what I suspect was an illegally funded revolution through the Obama state department with funds ending at the CEO of Burisma. You have people arrest in Ukraine for trying to interfere in our elections in favor of Clinton. Now we have the Biden family finding bio labs in Ukraine and other areas. The global establishment isn’t about to let Putin knock off their global revolution by blackmail or airing it out. So War became inevitable. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:57:37 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Like that famous Kenosha case? I remember that even doctored images and videos were presented trying to incriminate the intended person and paint others as "victims", let alone "testimonies". Another one? Florida, a guy shot another who was about to kill him, but all the (same) media did everything it could to paint the guy who defended himself the criminal and the criminal the victim. Including posting fake photos and statements. And the same government (and characters) pushing the "free Ukraine!" narrative using the full weight of the state to push the fake narrative in Florida. I can cite other cases like that that happened right here, beside us in America. So, how does "photos, videos and testimonies" that come from questionable sources somewhere far away make it true? Who corroborated those "sources"? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Who own those satellites? Are we getting all the images? Are the images we are getting being doctored? Depending on the sources: The 2020 "elections" were just, had no fraud and the pedophile really got 81 million votes. The pedophile's son's laptop was a "Russia propaganda". The "Trump-Russia collusion" was real. Benghazi happened because of a video posted on Youtube. The US southern border crisis is a rightwing-Russia fabrication. The "covid pandemic and the required mandates" were absolutely necessary and the "vaccines work". I can continue this list for a long time. All of them based on "hard evidence by sources and experts" (provided by the sources publishing them). How did it go? Maxar technologies based in Colorado. Is that enough to make it a reputable/credible source? look at the pictures...corroborated by witness statements, and pictures on the ground. Ignore it all if you want, but it doesn't make you smart. Like that famous Kenosha case? I remember that even doctored images and videos were presented trying to incriminate the intended person and paint others as "victims", let alone "testimonies". Another one? Florida, a guy shot another who was about to kill him, but all the (same) media did everything it could to paint the guy who defended himself the criminal and the criminal the victim. Including posting fake photos and statements. And the same government (and characters) pushing the "free Ukraine!" narrative using the full weight of the state to push the fake narrative in Florida. I can cite other cases like that that happened right here, beside us in America. So, how does "photos, videos and testimonies" that come from questionable sources somewhere far away make it true? Who corroborated those "sources"? LMAO Yet when we look at all the evidence available, it became very obvious that Kyle acted in self defense. Thanks for proving my point. You are believing what you WANT to believe in spite of the evidence. You're free to do so, but again, it doesn't make you smart. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:58:53 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: look at the pictures...corroborated by witness statements, and pictures on the ground. Ignore it all if you want, but it doesn't make you smart. Do you have ANY mean to verify the authenticity of the pics ? Can you assure me they haven’t been manipulated in any way ? I mean, nobody knew who maxar was 24h ago |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:59:20 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You seem to be way more interested in who believes things rather than what they believe is right or not. If George Soros' favorite meal of the day is breakfast, are you going to stop eating breakfast? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So, if by not buying the "free Ukraine!" propaganda that makes me a "Putin lover", what does zealously pushing that propaganda makes you? A "soros balls licker"? If he says he eats potatoes for breakfast, you can bet I'll investigate before touching one for breakfast. There was a CEO of one of those fracking companies who publicly drank a glass of water "from a well near a drilling site" to show it was clean. It was later exposed the water he drank wasn't from that well. So, there's that.  |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 12:59:40 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: what news outlets (foreign or domestic; state owned/funded or state aligned; etc.) are Americans supposed to read and trust (and "parrot")...in your opinion? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Apparently you missed the part where I said our MSM sucks too, also opinion articles are a reach dude. So are ones from 2015. what news outlets (foreign or domestic; state owned/funded or state aligned; etc.) are Americans supposed to read and trust (and "parrot")...in your opinion? Read? Anything remotely independent. (Not RT except for entertainment). Read all you can, read accounts from people on the ground, look at pictures, watch videos, listen to captured audio. Then you have to use a little common sense and decide what is believable and what is not. I know, it's tough having to think for yourself. Nowhere here did I advocate for blindly trusting anyone or anything, but when you hear the same thing from 5 sources, you can probably make a decision. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 1:00:57 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you have ANY mean to verify the authenticity of the pics ? Can you assure me they haven't been manipulated in any way ? I mean, nobody knew who maxar was 24h ago Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: look at the pictures...corroborated by witness statements, and pictures on the ground. Ignore it all if you want, but it doesn't make you smart. Do you have ANY mean to verify the authenticity of the pics ? Can you assure me they haven't been manipulated in any way ? I mean, nobody knew who maxar was 24h ago |
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