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Posted: 1/15/2016 1:02:20 PM EST
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And CANS! 
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Posted: 1/15/2016 1:04:27 PM EST
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Michael Bay? Lots of explosions? Who's the big-titted chick in the movie? Alexia Barlier |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 1:06:55 PM EST
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Am I to guess it is NOT a campaign fluff piece for the Vince Fosters' ex girlfriend ?
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Posted: 1/15/2016 1:26:36 PM EST
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I will see it and be mad as hell most likely. Same here... 
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Posted: 1/15/2016 1:29:23 PM EST
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Highly recommended - 4.5 stars - Michael Bay did one heck of a job directing the flick, true to the book, fuck politicians - that is all. Agreed |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 1:43:52 PM EST
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Posted: 1/15/2016 2:13:02 PM EST
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Those who have seen it, how do the action scenes stack up to Blackhawk Down? I thought 13 hrs was better, but technology has changed a lot, so you have to take that into account. 13 hrs. is hard to watch without having a seizure because of the sensory overload. |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 2:16:11 PM EST
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IIRC from the book: We are never told who the CIA station chief was, and we are never told who he was talking to on the phone when the infamous "stand down" order was given. It could have been State, or it could have been CIA. I got the impression it was more likely CIA since the operators and station chief were CIA assets, and they didn't want to blow the CIA's cover. Then again I don't know shit about how this works, so it's certainly possible that my assumption is wrong. Either way State's security situation was beyond pathetic, and HRC bears direct responsibility for the lack of adequate security for the ambassador. I remember reading one of Col. Jeff Cooper's books in a part he recounts doing spook work in some 3rd world shithole. He related that the No. 1 rule of security was to NEVER rely on local mercs in the turd world. I could be misremembering, but I thought in the book they said the station chief was on the phone trying to get the friendly militias to organize a rescue. But, I would have a hard time believing that he wasn't also on the phone with higher-ups as well. |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 2:36:31 PM EST
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Agency and 'Bob' challenging movie's version of events:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/former-cia-chief-in-benghazi-challenges-film-version-of-2012-attack/2016/01/15/9cf2defc-baf7-11e5-b682-4bb4dd403c7d_story.html "According to the officer in charge of the CIA’s Benghazi base that night, the scene in the movie is entirely untrue. “There never was a stand-down order,” said the base chief known as Bob, speaking publicly for the first time. “At no time did I ever second-guess that the team would depart.” The question of whether someone had issued a “stand down” has loomed over Benghazi since the immediate aftermath of the attacks. The initial speculation centered mainly on whether an official in Washington, including then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, had impeded rescue attempts — an allegation rejected by a series of congressional inquiries. A 2014 House Intelligence Committee report found “no evidence that there was either a stand down order or a denial of available air support.” The book and film, by contrast, blame Bob for blocking the departure of security operators until it was too late. The author of the book, Mitchell Zuckoff, said in a telephone interview that he stands by the depiction and that it is based on first-hand accounts. According to the book and the movie, the security contractors assembled their weapons and jumped into vehicles to begin a rescue mission. Bob, they said, ordered them to wait. Bob acknowledged that he was “concerned about an ambush” and that a departure by the security team would have “left our base more vulnerable to attack.” But, he said, “there was never any question that there was going to be a rescue mission,” and no instruction by him to hold off. Instead, Bob said he spent much of the immediate period after the attack began, about 20 minutes, standing beside the leader of the GRS team — who still works at the CIA — scrambling to enlist local security teams." |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 2:38:20 PM EST
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You will be fucking pissed! More than I am already......doubt that. 
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Posted: 1/15/2016 2:49:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just cant get over the tall skinny guy from the office being an elite operator.. You know we don't fight with war hammers and battle axes anymore? Our "war bows" have a 3-5 pound pull instead of a 150 pound draw. One need not look like a Viking anymore to wreck shit badly. |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 2:51:39 PM EST
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Agency and 'Bob' challenging movie's version of events: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/former-cia-chief-in-benghazi-challenges-film-version-of-2012-attack/2016/01/15/9cf2defc-baf7-11e5-b682-4bb4dd403c7d_story.html "According to the officer in charge of the CIA’s Benghazi base that night, the scene in the movie is entirely untrue. “There never was a stand-down order,” said the base chief known as Bob, speaking publicly for the first time. “At no time did I ever second-guess that the team would depart.” The question of whether someone had issued a “stand down” has loomed over Benghazi since the immediate aftermath of the attacks. The initial speculation centered mainly on whether an official in Washington, including then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, had impeded rescue attempts — an allegation rejected by a series of congressional inquiries. A 2014 House Intelligence Committee report found “no evidence that there was either a stand down order or a denial of available air support.” The book and film, by contrast, blame Bob for blocking the departure of security operators until it was too late. The author of the book, Mitchell Zuckoff, said in a telephone interview that he stands by the depiction and that it is based on first-hand accounts. According to the book and the movie, the security contractors assembled their weapons and jumped into vehicles to begin a rescue mission. Bob, they said, ordered them to wait. Bob acknowledged that he was “concerned about an ambush” and that a departure by the security team would have “left our base more vulnerable to attack.” But, he said, “there was never any question that there was going to be a rescue mission,” and no instruction by him to hold off. Instead, Bob said he spent much of the immediate period after the attack began, about 20 minutes, standing beside the leader of the GRS team — who still works at the CIA — scrambling to enlist local security teams." I suppose if "Bob" would like to clear his name and set the record straight, he'd better come forward and bring everything into the cold light of day then. |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 3:25:54 PM EST
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“There never was a stand-down order,” said the base chief known as Bob, speaking publicly for the first time. “At no time did I ever second-guess that the team would depart.” The question of whether someone had issued a “stand down” has loomed over Benghazi since the immediate aftermath of the attacks. The initial speculation centered mainly on whether an official in Washington, including then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, had impeded rescue attempts — an allegation rejected by a series of congressional inquiries. A 2014 House Intelligence Committee report found “no evidence that there was either a stand down order or a denial of available air support.” .....well, yeah.....except that THREE PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE said their was a stand down order. FFWD to 9:30 Link to Video |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 4:06:35 PM EST
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Hildabeast?? Kinda saggy but their there. 
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Michael Bay? Lots of explosions? Who's the big-titted chick in the movie? Hildabeast?? Kinda saggy but their there.
Well, you got one out of two at least. |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 4:30:28 PM EST
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I thought 13 hrs was better, but technology has changed a lot, so you have to take that into account. 13 hrs. is hard to watch without having a seizure because of the sensory overload. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those who have seen it, how do the action scenes stack up to Blackhawk Down? I thought 13 hrs was better, but technology has changed a lot, so you have to take that into account. 13 hrs. is hard to watch without having a seizure because of the sensory overload. Do they show tracers? I really liked that in Fury. |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 4:31:20 PM EST
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Just got back from seeing. As mentioned, it pissed me off.
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Posted: 1/15/2016 7:35:22 PM EST
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Those who have seen it, how do the action scenes stack up to Blackhawk Down? IMO , BHD had better action scenes, although the Zombieland scene was pretty good. still lots of action, several FPS type scenes and that fast action, camera all over the place, make you nauseous like in 'safehouse' shots .............. and watching them get the bodies down off the roof was worse than reading about it. |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 7:54:30 PM EST
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Went and saw it last night. It was done as expected I guess. I am a details kinda guy and was hoping for a little more detail on what was really going on, seeing how the movie was based on a true story. They did ok if you already know that something isn't adding up about the administrations version of the story. You have to listen for a few scraps that did make it in the movie. One was when the guys mentioned the attackers must have had coordinates for the compound weeks in advance for such direct hits with the mortars. The attack was planned well in advance.
One of Beck's many pieces covering this. Listen all the way to the end... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TJlqpyOCqc |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 7:58:08 PM EST
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Do they show tracers? I really liked that in Fury. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those who have seen it, how do the action scenes stack up to Blackhawk Down? I thought 13 hrs was better, but technology has changed a lot, so you have to take that into account. 13 hrs. is hard to watch without having a seizure because of the sensory overload. Do they show tracers? I really liked that in Fury. Many tracers.....many times. |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 8:29:00 PM EST
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I may be misunderstood but I thought the first 10m of flight trajectory was the initial boost to get it out of the tube. And then the motor or whatever it's called kicks in after 10m. I'm probably wrong but I could've sworn I read that in a thread that was started to show how the RPG works. Not gonna lie I have zero real life experience, like I know you do Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It was a very good movie. The only critique I have is that the RPG's were very...arc-y. I thought that they tend to fly flatter. Definitely go and see this movie. You will leave pissed. I haven't seen the movie but RPG trajectory depends on how it's employed: direct fire, point target at close range, pretty flat for the size/speed of the projectile. Indirect fire, area target at longer ranges (i.e. lobbing 'em in there) pretty good arc. There was also probably big smoke trails; they really don't smoke considering they coast (there is no motor burning) for all but the first ~10m of flight to the target. I may be misunderstood but I thought the first 10m of flight trajectory was the initial boost to get it out of the tube. And then the motor or whatever it's called kicks in after 10m. I'm probably wrong but I could've sworn I read that in a thread that was started to show how the RPG works. Not gonna lie I have zero real life experience, like I know you do "Booster" kicks it out of the tube then the main motor kicks in but it only burns for a fraction of a second...equivalent of two big kicks in the ass; it coasts nearly all the way. |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 8:57:56 PM EST
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The lack of real firepower to defend a compound seemed ridiculous given the availability of arms to the locals. Then again, how many people there knew how to shoot even a rifle. At least they had night vision.
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Posted: 1/15/2016 9:02:16 PM EST
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The lack of real firepower to defend a compound seemed ridiculous given the availability of arms to the locals. Then again, how many people there knew how to shoot even a rifle. At least they had night vision. DoS specifically wanted to normalize relations with the Libyans so they wanted to minimize the militaristic foot print. |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 9:12:35 PM EST
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Posted: 1/15/2016 9:32:54 PM EST
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The terms Michael Bay and good movie should not be used together. Ever. Glad you liked it OP. But fuck Michael Bay, you couldn't pay me to watch anything that hack had his hands on. |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 9:44:06 PM EST
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The terms Michael Bay and good movie should not be used together. Ever. Glad you liked it OP. But fuck Michael Bay, you couldn't pay me to watch anything that hack had his hands on. That's the spirit! Make sure not to support any pro-American movies so Hollywood will make less of them! 
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Posted: 1/15/2016 9:57:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: John Krasinski fucking nailed the part. There are plenty of "elite operators" who look and act nothing like the stereotype. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I just cant get over the tall skinny guy from the office being an elite operator.. John Krasinski fucking nailed the part. There are plenty of "elite operators" who look and act nothing like the stereotype.  |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 10:01:20 PM EST
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8/10
-1 point for all the damn Salient Arms guns -1 for no 
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Posted: 1/15/2016 10:04:41 PM EST
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Not getting great reviews on RT, but all the ones I've read can't seem to list actual reasons why they didn't like it.
I'll be going tomorrow around noon. I expect my response afterwards will resemble most in this thread. |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 10:14:21 PM EST
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Wife and I got back from seeing it earlier and we both thought it was very well done. It will leave you angry at the facts that we already know, it just shows how early in the chain of events that people up the chain started finding out about it. Great flic and I hope it has a great weekend and gets some traction in the news.
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Posted: 1/15/2016 10:16:25 PM EST
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Not getting great reviews on RT, but all the ones I've read can't seem to list actual reasons why they didn't like it. I'll be going tomorrow around noon. I expect my response afterwards will resemble most in this thread. Most media critics are to the left, so they know they're not supposed to like the movie. Sooo....they don't like the movie. |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 10:21:32 PM EST
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Most media critics are to the left, so they know they're not supposed to like the movie. Sooo....they don't like the movie. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not getting great reviews on RT, but all the ones I've read can't seem to list actual reasons why they didn't like it. I'll be going tomorrow around noon. I expect my response afterwards will resemble most in this thread. Most media critics are to the left, so they know they're not supposed to like the movie. Sooo....they don't like the movie. Yeah, that's about the impression I was getting. |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 10:21:34 PM EST
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I thought this was all due to a disgusting video?.....LOL
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Posted: 1/15/2016 10:56:10 PM EST
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I thought it was very well done.....You will leave the theater pissed off
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Posted: 1/15/2016 11:01:33 PM EST
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No political statement, however it easy to connect the dots and see that the White House called the shots and decided not to send relief. The movie depicted all assets primed an ready to go (fighters, Alpha Charlies, SPOD, etc) and crickets coming out of Washington. "The POTUS has been briefed - stand down." Yep, just left the theater.
FHRC FBHO |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 11:02:30 PM EST
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Double tap.
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Posted: 1/15/2016 11:04:51 PM EST
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I recall the Bret Baier interview quite well. I assume the movie is about those guys. If so, gut-wrenching, and inspiring stuff. True men.
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Posted: 1/15/2016 11:21:28 PM EST
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I've never shot one, but my understanding is that the rpg isn't powered by a rocket motor while in flight outside the tube. The propellant burns super fast and "boom" it flies out of the tube like a big bullet. There are shoulder fired missiles that work in the way you describe, however. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It was a very good movie. The only critique I have is that the RPG's were very...arc-y. I thought that they tend to fly flatter. Definitely go and see this movie. You will leave pissed. I haven't seen the movie but RPG trajectory depends on how it's employed: direct fire, point target at close range, pretty flat for the size/speed of the projectile. Indirect fire, area target at longer ranges (i.e. lobbing 'em in there) pretty good arc. There was also probably big smoke trails; they really don't smoke considering they coast (there is no motor burning) for all but the first ~10m of flight to the target. I may be misunderstood but I thought the first 10m of flight trajectory was the initial boost to get it out of the tube. And then the motor or whatever it's called kicks in after 10m. I'm probably wrong but I could've sworn I read that in a thread that was started to show how the RPG works. Not gonna lie I have zero real life experience, like I know you do I've never shot one, but my understanding is that the rpg isn't powered by a rocket motor while in flight outside the tube. The propellant burns super fast and "boom" it flies out of the tube like a big bullet. There are shoulder fired missiles that work in the way you describe, however. The frag warhead operates that way (all boost/no motor); the PG-7 warhead has a rocket motor but it only burns for a fraction of a second. |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 11:52:22 PM EST
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Best Movie i have watched in a very long time. Go see it, you will leave angry, but proud and $10 lighter.
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Posted: 1/16/2016 12:16:43 AM EST
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I will see it and be mad as hell most likely. And I'm not gonna pay $10 to be pissed off. I'll wait for it to come out on Redbox. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 12:17:28 AM EST
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I haven't seen it yet but t I have heard that HRCs name is never mentioned. I plan on loudly shouting FUCK CLINTON!!! at the end. Somebody did just that at my theater tonight. Actual quote was more like, "Hillary Clinton is a lying bitch! If you vote for her, you're an unAmerican motherfucker!" |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 12:19:12 AM EST
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Guess I am different from most of the people here.
I left the theater sad. So did many many others. A few were crying. Very highly recommended though. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 12:20:30 AM EST
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I can't even watch "Black Hawk Down". I would never make it thru this movie. Was on FX tonight and our daughter saw it for the first time. She cried at the end when Sgt. Ruiz's letter was read. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 12:24:43 AM EST
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I suppose if "Bob" would like to clear his name and set the record straight, he'd better come forward and bring everything into the cold light of day then. "Bob" doesn't need to clear his name. Nobody knows his name. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 12:48:28 AM EST
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Was Bob responsible for protecting CIA or protecting Americans? He comes off as an elitist dick, but it would have taken very little to lose all the contractors. No contractors and that compound was just another 20something dead. The biggest mistake was not taking the ongoing threat seriously, and he was not alone in this.
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Posted: 1/16/2016 12:50:01 AM EST
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any mention on who was relieved of duty that day
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Posted: 1/16/2016 12:54:12 AM EST
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It was a very good movie. The only critique I have is that the RPG's were very...arc-y. I thought that they tend to fly flatter. Definitely go and see this movie. You will leave pissed. I haven't seen the movie but RPG trajectory depends on how it's employed: direct fire, point target at close range, pretty flat for the size/speed of the projectile. Indirect fire, area target at longer ranges (i.e. lobbing 'em in there) pretty good arc. There was also probably big smoke trails; they really don't smoke considering they coast (there is no motor burning) for all but the first ~10m of flight to the target. I may be misunderstood but I thought the first 10m of flight trajectory was the initial boost to get it out of the tube. And then the motor or whatever it's called kicks in after 10m. I'm probably wrong but I could've sworn I read that in a thread that was started to show how the RPG works. Not gonna lie I have zero real life experience, like I know you do I've never shot one, but my understanding is that the rpg isn't powered by a rocket motor while in flight outside the tube. The propellant burns super fast and "boom" it flies out of the tube like a big bullet. There are shoulder fired missiles that work in the way you describe, however. The frag warhead operates that way (all boost/no motor); the PG-7 warhead has a rocket motor but it only burns for a fraction of a second. Thanks for clearing that up! |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 1:07:23 AM EST
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Everybody should see this movie. Everybody.
FHRC FBHO I'm still in a weird state of mind right now.
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Posted: 1/16/2016 1:15:06 AM EST
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Everybody should see this movie. Everybody. FHRC FBHO I'm still in a weird state of mind right now. All the red. Box office sends a message. If you don't want to sit through this, buy a ticket and skip it. Or go see Star War again. But vote with your wallet. FBHO. FHRC. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 8:23:52 AM EST
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You will walk out sad then PISSED. F@$K politicians and their mealy mouth weak ass, career focused, power and politics . Yeah they wanted to fundamentally change America. Not on my watch. Those that want to be in power and put party politics first, they don't belong on these shores. Problem is...I'm pissed going into the theater. My hair will probably be on fire when I leave. I read the book while on a cruise. Definitely, was not a relaxing book to read on a cruise. If I thought that the genetic passengers could be properly motivated by my speech and the ship had the range to make it to Benghazi the mutiny and following results would have been epic. However, the killing of Libyans would have had be stopped for and hour at 1400 everyday (bingo) and ended by 1700 (early dinner). Not a book or a movie (which if it follows the book) you want to come out happy from. Which book is it? I get three or four that show up when I search it.
The "green" cover was the original one; at least in my Kindle library it was changed to a movie poster variant. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 8:34:10 AM EST
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IIRC from the book: We are never told who the CIA station chief was, and we are never told who he was talking to on the phone when the infamous "stand down" order was given. It could have been State, or it could have been CIA. I got the impression it was more likely CIA since the operators and station chief were CIA assets, and they didn't want to blow the CIA's cover. Then again I don't know shit about how this works, so it's certainly possible that my assumption is wrong. Either way State's security situation was beyond pathetic, and HRC bears direct responsibility for the lack of adequate security for the ambassador. I remember reading one of Col. Jeff Cooper's books in a part he recounts doing spook work in some 3rd world shithole. He related that the No. 1 rule of security was to NEVER rely on local mercs in the turd world. Their "cover" had been blown long ago; you can't set up camp in a place like that w/o everyone figuring out who you are (U.S./gov) sooner or later. There's also no reason to maintain your cover once things get loud. Ultimately, they were probably under Dept. of State contract and therefore control. If the CIA Chief was the one to relay the message, so be it. The guys the Dept. of State was "counting on" weren't even local mercs...but rather militia. |
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