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Climate change, my ass. My cousins in Commiefornie all had to use the same bathwater and then it got bucketed out to the garden to save water, and that was in the early 1980's
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Quoted: So, All the desert cities in California, Nevada etc. aren't causing the problems then? View Quote For the most part no. Vegas may actually dump more water out than it uses because we import so many beverages for people and have a very high reclamation rate. La does use a lot of water comparatively but it's still dwarfed by cali almonds and other water intensive crops. |
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California wants to die of thirst, that is why they block new water storage dams and desalinization plants.
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View Quote Seems like a good time for them to repaint that white ring around the lake. |
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Quoted: How many gallons per day does Los Angeles or San Diego consume per day compared to Agriculture? Serious question as I haven't seen a comparison that I recall. View Quote It's a good question, but I can't find that information readily available without digging into a ton of different data sources. Seems like as of 2017, California was using 1.6 trillion gallons from the Colorado River, which was about 15% more than they were allotted, but they were using other states' "surplus." It's hard to find exact breakdowns, but 80% of water used in California is used by agriculture. Imperial County is said to produce 2/3 of all vegetables consumed by Americans during winter and that whole area farms tons of other stuff that is exported. That area gets about 3" of rain annually, so they have to be using enormous amounts of water, all of which come from the Colorado River. Golf courses and parks are wastes of water, but I don't think urban areas are a huge issue, as much of that water can be reclaimed. |
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Quoted: This +1000. Stop supplying water to california so that it will be forced to build desalinization plants. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Stop building giant cities, suburbs, and golf courses in the desert? Stop supplying water to california so that it will be forced to build desalinization plants. Or just cease to exist. I could live with that, too. |
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Restock it with Desalinated water? It's really really stupid that a hugely populated area that is also pretty dry, doesn't have more desalination plants.
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Quoted: I didn't state they weren't causing problems. Just stated that you guys would be complaining either way. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So it's not a good idea to build cities in the desert? This trope is old. You guys complaining about cities in the desert would be complaining if those same people moved into your area. Water is too cheap is part of the issue. $1 gets me 182 gallons of culinary in N. Utah. On Lake Mead, we're too far behind the curve outside of a Federal emergency that levies a massive pipeline project from the Mississippi. Even then, we're (the west) still fucked in the near-term. So, All the desert cities in California, Nevada etc. aren't causing the problems then? I didn't state they weren't causing problems. Just stated that you guys would be complaining either way. They've been swarming in for a while and doing their best to live up to the stereotype. |
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Quoted: The solution is to let nature do nature things. Finding a man made solution for everything is the dumbest idea that’s come along, and has fucked us on everything from housing to healthcare. This man made lake in the desert going dry is a perfect example. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I have pictures of the intake towers from 2011 and the difference in the water level to today is quite alarming. No idea what the solution is, whatever it is probably makes sense and so nobody will implement it. The solution is to let nature do nature things. Finding a man made solution for everything is the dumbest idea that’s come along, and has fucked us on everything from housing to healthcare. This man made lake in the desert going dry is a perfect example. Man made lake in the desert went dry because Californians refuse to build desalination plants, not because the lake was man made. |
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Nuclear powered desalination is the answer.
The root cause of the issue with Lake Mead is the Colorado River Compact was made with outflow data from anomalously wet years that weren't representative of average flows. |
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As long as tree huggers are holding us back on dam building it won’t ever happen, California sends so much fucking water into the ocean it’s crazy and the tree huggers are trying to get every dam taken down
This whole situation is about to get very interesting |
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View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: How many gallons per day does Los Angeles or San Diego consume per day compared to Agriculture? Serious question as I haven't seen a comparison that I recall. https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/08/lynda-stewart-resnick-california-water/ Holy crap, That's one of the longest "rich people suck" articles I've read. If true though this part stands out- "forgotten is that some 8.7 trillion gallons of water will flow each day into the massive Sacramento-San Joaquin River Delta, and that 20 percent of it will get sucked by huge pumps into two giant, concrete-lined canal systems and sent hundreds of miles to Southern California's cities and farms." That can't be sustainable for very long. |
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Quoted: A serious society would have a number of massive nuclear powered desalination plants running on the coast of California. As well as a number of pipeline and reservoir projects all over the west. Unfortunately, we don't seem to be a serious society anymore. View Quote This. use Elon's boring machine to flood sea water to the interior. Desalinate closer mead or other areas. Use a damn or spill way to control the water entering the tunnel. |
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Quoted: Man made lake in the desert went dry because Californians refuse to build desalination plants, not because the lake was man made. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have pictures of the intake towers from 2011 and the difference in the water level to today is quite alarming. No idea what the solution is, whatever it is probably makes sense and so nobody will implement it. The solution is to let nature do nature things. Finding a man made solution for everything is the dumbest idea that’s come along, and has fucked us on everything from housing to healthcare. This man made lake in the desert going dry is a perfect example. Man made lake in the desert went dry because Californians refuse to build desalination plants, not because the lake was man made. Taking something from someone else because it's easier than planning and investing your own resources into a solution. Sounds an awful lot like... |
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Temporary solution?
Have all the liberals in the country stand around the lake, then have the media report that trump has been reinstated as president for life. |
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Originally...Posted...By...DragoMuseveni: What...was...the...water...level...of...lake...Mead...before...man...started...changing...the...climate?... Edit:...or...What...was...the...level...of...Lake...Mead...100...years...ago? View Quote |
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Mountain runoff caught by dams in higher elevations. Then regulated downstream.
Then a tunnel connecting the dam water diverting it through a mountain to the other side. Utah upper Rock creek or upper Stillwater. Not sure what they called the finished dam. I was on the tunnel job and a portion of the dam. Utah today has reservoirs due to the water projects of the 80s. They've provided recreation and a reserve holding with ability to send water 8 miles thru the mountain. |
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Quoted: Hurrrrrrrrr durrrrrrrr Las Vegas is actually adjacent a massive water source, with more than enough water to satisfy the needs of the population. Much like people get water out of the Mississippi, they get water out of the Colorado. Las Vegas uses a tiny percentage of the water allocation for that river, and then treat and return it. The rest is pissed away by the Californians, who generally live nowhere fucking near the river. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Stop building giant cities, suburbs, and golf courses in the desert? Hurrrrrrrrr durrrrrrrr Las Vegas is actually adjacent a massive water source, with more than enough water to satisfy the needs of the population. Much like people get water out of the Mississippi, they get water out of the Colorado. Las Vegas uses a tiny percentage of the water allocation for that river, and then treat and return it. The rest is pissed away by the Californians, who generally live nowhere fucking near the river. Mexico owns some of that water too. |
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Quoted: Temporary solution? Have all the liberals in the country stand around the lake, then have the media report that trump has been reinstated as president for life. View Quote |
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Quoted: It's a good question, but I can't find that information readily available without digging into a ton of different data sources. Seems like as of 2017, California was using 1.6 trillion gallons from the Colorado River, which was about 15% more than they were allotted, but they were using other states' "surplus." It's hard to find exact breakdowns, but 80% of water used in California is used by agriculture. Imperial County is said to produce 2/3 of all vegetables consumed by Americans during winter and that whole area farms tons of other stuff that is exported. That area gets about 3" of rain annually, so they have to be using enormous amounts of water, all of which come from the Colorado River. Golf courses and parks are wastes of water, but I don't think urban areas are a huge issue, as much of that water can be reclaimed. View Quote I found this- "Irrigation is the water withdrawal category that uses the most water every year. California's total water use has been declining since 1980. California uses more water than any other state. " https://www.usgs.gov/centers/california-water-science-center/science/california-water-use |
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View Quote Interesting article. |
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If Lake Meade goes dry to the point of no return...the Feds ought to designate the canyon as a National Park --- Much like the same proposal that some locals over there are supporting.
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Quoted: What do you do with the Brine, and where do you get the power? Pants on head stupid? In what sense? You realize the average outflow of the Mississippi at New Orleans ETA for clarity. View Quote Nuclear and mix the brine with wastewater effluent. Use the excess brine to pickle Hollywood celebrities who die from climate change. Could create a whole new walk of fame! I was just in Vegas and at the dam. We had a Lyft driver who had all the solutions lol.. Just pipe it down from Minnesota! Then charge 10 cents for water. You'd pay 10 cents for water right? You'll never run out of water you've got 10,000 lakes, just give it to us. Right after he dropped us off we walked past a building where they were just misting water into the air. Yeah, we'll send you all our water so you can spray it in the air. Fuck off. He also complained about his water bill which was less than mine even though I rarely use more than 1 unit of water(750 gallons). I don't believe there's one solution to this problem. It's going to require water from other places. But part of that agreement should be a requirement to add desalination plants AND the power to run them located in California. Along with wastewater plants over x amount of flow to produce title 22 effluent water for reuse with either deep well injection, desalination effluent mixing, or reservoir filling as their required discharge location. And enforce immigration laws to reduce consumption growth. Adding reservoirs and covering them with floating balls to reduce evaporation, reduced consumption, higher rates for usage with high use commercial paying a higher rate than the plebs instead of a lower rate... long term desert reduction through planting as discusses earlier. I suspect almost none of these things are going to be done. Oh well. Just make sure the libtards move to an already libtard state like MN and fuck it up more. I plan on escaping at some point to South Dakota. |
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Quoted: What do you do with the Brine, and where do you get the power? View Quote The city of Santa Barbara owns and operates a desal plant. It provides 30% of the cities potable water needs. "...half the incoming water ends up as drinking water after the desalination process. The other half is brine, which is about twice as salty as normal seawater. The brine is blended with the city’s treated wastewater and is discharged into the ocean about 1.5 miles offshore..." As far as energy consumption goes, the desal plant uses 50% of the electrical power that the city uses. Santa Barbara gets water from local reservoirs and from the State Water Project. It takes 42% more energy to desal the water than to import it from the State Water Project. In March of this year the State Water Project cut the County of Santa Barbara supplied water to 5% of initial requests. For the city of Santa Barbara the desal plant even with the electrical cost usage is looking good. |
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Quoted: The other half is brine, which is about twice as salty as normal seawater. The brine is blended with the city’s treated wastewater and is discharged into the ocean about 1.5 miles offshore..." View Quote I'm not some greenie weenie. What will the continuous addition of brine to the Pacific ocean do to the salinity levels of it? Yes, I realize the Pacific is HUGE. Still maybe worth note or study I'd think. |
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I live on an island located in the world's largest freshwater body of water. I am good to go. If things get real sporty we can fill five gallon buckets up within walking distance.
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You cant have a desalination plant because the environmental survey would take 50 yrs and a billion pages of paper work.
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CA Agriculture uses most of the water which sucks because the result will be food/produce shortages.
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Quoted: I'm not some greenie weenie. What will the continuous addition of brine to the Pacific ocean do to the salinity levels of it? Yes, I realize the Pacific is HUGE. Still maybe worth note or study I'd think. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: The other half is brine, which is about twice as salty as normal seawater. The brine is blended with the city’s treated wastewater and is discharged into the ocean about 1.5 miles offshore..." I'm not some greenie weenie. What will the continuous addition of brine to the Pacific ocean do to the salinity levels of it? Yes, I realize the Pacific is HUGE. Still maybe worth note or study I'd think. It will make no difference overall. The effect is localized to the discharge. ETA, it is the same salt that was in the ocean to start and the water will be returned to the ocean. |
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Maybe if they just closed up the power generation sluices it’d fill back up. I mean with all the left coast green energy that shouldn’t be a problem.
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Quoted: I have pictures of the intake towers from 2011 and the difference in the water level to today is quite alarming. No idea what the solution is, whatever it is probably makes sense and so nobody will implement it. View Quote Somewhere around here, I have pictures from mid-80's of water spilling through the overflow "tubes". Quite the sight at the time. When I was there last in 2010(?) it was amazing how much it had dropped. Sooner or later, somethings going to have to change. |
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