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Posted: 11/6/2017 3:52:05 AM EDT
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I actually don't know, but I would guess that many of them are stolen. 
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Posted: 11/6/2017 3:52:59 AM EDT
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Blaming gun owners for the actions of thieves is A SHITTY IDEA!!! Just so you know for sure. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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First of all, thank you, for not dismissing me out of hand. I agree: stuff like "fast and furious," definitely, we need to look out for that. We need to defend our rights. However, I think we also can at least try to come up with some solutions. I mean, even little things might help. Example: What if a state government that has sales taxes excludes taxes for gun safes and lock boxes? It's a tiny step, but maybe a few more people would buy gun safes and lock up their guns, not just in case they have a mentally ill person in the house, but also to make it harder for criminals to steal guns when the owners aren't home. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 3:53:07 AM EDT
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I actually don't know, but I would guess that many of them are stolen. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 3:53:27 AM EDT
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This bitch will NOT pass out.
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I actually don't know, but I would guess that many of them are stolen.
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Posted: 11/6/2017 3:54:30 AM EDT
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So it's the gun owners for fault for locking his front door but not putting a gun in a safe? DO YOU REALIZE YOU HAVE JUST SAID THAT? |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 3:54:46 AM EDT
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Lug1, nobody is blaming the gun owners. We're suggesting a way to prevent thieves from stealing guns. Right now, I'm a hypocrite because if someone broke into my house, there are guns they could steal (and a few they couldn't). I live alone, so I'm not worried about kids or teens getting them, but I probably should have everything locked up to prevent bad guys from possibly arming themselves at my expense. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 3:55:19 AM EDT
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I actually don't know, but I would guess that many of them are stolen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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First of all, thank you, for not dismissing me out of hand. I agree: stuff like "fast and furious," definitely, we need to look out for that. We need to defend our rights. However, I think we also can at least try to come up with some solutions. I mean, even little things might help. Example: What if a state government that has sales taxes excludes taxes for gun safes and lock boxes? It's a tiny step, but maybe a few more people would buy gun safes and lock up their guns, not just in case they have a mentally ill person in the house, but also to make it harder for criminals to steal guns when the owners aren't home. The vast majority of the guns out on the street being used by gangbangers are bought by straw buyers who sell them to underage and felon gangbangers. Just this summer a woman was convicted of straw purchasing. She got 12 months probation, no jail time. State and federal laws where shitted upon by crook county officials. This same scenario happens all the time. http://www.guns.com/2017/04/17/straw-purchaser-with-4-felony-gun-charges-will-not-get-jail-time/ |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 3:55:36 AM EDT
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Who cares... Two wrongs to make a right. False, it was already being done but on a slower pace because the MARKET didn't demand it. If the market at the time had a need for it, it would have provided it just like every other time. This doesn't. Feel free to provide any information stating there is no profit motive and that research isn't already done. You believe a nutjob who thinks his crazy murdering is justified just didn't seek mental health treatment because it was too expensive? Seeking help isn't hard to do or expensive... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But so many things are funded that way. Rural electrification and telephony, for example, never would have happened if left to market forces. I used to be a "hard" libertarian, but it doesn't work. There are things that require tax dollars. Not everything, but when something needs to get done, and there's no profit motive, government and tax dollars have to step in. False, it was already being done but on a slower pace because the MARKET didn't demand it. If the market at the time had a need for it, it would have provided it just like every other time. This doesn't. Feel free to provide any information stating there is no profit motive and that research isn't already done. You believe a nutjob who thinks his crazy murdering is justified just didn't seek mental health treatment because it was too expensive? Seeking help isn't hard to do or expensive... Nutjob didn't seek care because he thought he was right. The issue is twofold in this one.... Conservatism eliminated funding for public asylums, Liberalism eliminated the laws that gave us the ability to force the sick people into asylums for treatment. And I deal with the crazies every day who get exactly zero care or decide to not take medication because they don't like the way it feels. They actually cost us far more in the price of their criminal behavior and care than if they were in an asylum. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 3:55:48 AM EDT
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What left wing PAC's are paying the new liberal left trolls these days?
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Posted: 11/6/2017 3:56:35 AM EDT
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Liberal meth is a helluva drug 
I have been banging this thread like it's my job...I'm gonna pass out at some point.
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Posted: 11/6/2017 3:56:44 AM EDT
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Uh yeah actually, create a thread arguing the merits of pro and con, which doesnt make 63 odd pages littered with useless (pertaining to the subject of this thread) arguing and diatribe. 26 people, mostly women and babies were murdered Sunday and the best these SJWs can do is debate rural electrifuckingfication and tell me I should be taxed to help snowflakes cope with their fucking mental problems. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 3:57:32 AM EDT
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Lug1 knows I'm not a troll. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 3:58:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/6/2017 3:58:53 AM EDT
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the short answer would be because that can lead to falls accusations just because a person thinks that another person did something wrong does not mean that person did something wrong I think this is a slippery slop Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There was a discussion about whether the church was a gun-free zone and whether that might be responsible for the level of carnage. My point is that not all of these kinds of mass shootings can be or will be stopped simply by eliminating "gun free zones." As I think you know, I believe people have a right to carry, and they have a right to defend themselves. In this case, however, it appears that the right to carry was not enough. It is worthwhile to recognize these facts as we try to figure out what else might reduce these kinds of horrors. What about teaching people how to identify warning signs in others? What about finding ways to encourage gun owners to keep to their firearms either on their person or secured so that their firearms cannot be taken by an insane person (as was the case in Newton). There are ideas that do not involve gun control. STASI much because that can lead to falls accusations just because a person thinks that another person did something wrong does not mean that person did something wrong I think this is a slippery slop |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 3:59:35 AM EDT
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But so many things are funded that way. Rural electrification and telephony, for example, never would have happened if left to market forces. I used to be a "hard" libertarian, but it doesn't work. There are things that require tax dollars. Not everything, but when something needs to get done, and there's no profit motive, government and tax dollars have to step in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've already tried to make the case for subsidizing mental health programs. For some of the guys here, that's commie talk, a nonstarter. Brain researchers might one day explain these horrific behaviors. Tragedies like this might be preventable. Problem is, pure research requires money, too, and science seems to be unpopular these days. Now can we please get back to the topic at hand? |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:01:05 AM EDT
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Wasnt it mentioned earlier that the wife and child were killed by the POS?
Have we had any confirmation on this yet? Has any attention been drawn to the antifa post relating to something big happening in Texas on the 5th?  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:02:31 AM EDT
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Precisely WTF does that have to do with THIS particular shooting? 
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:06:44 AM EDT
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I didn't read what his previous post was about, but "sales taxes excludes taxes for gun safes and lock boxes" is definitely something I could get on board with, as long as there are no other stipulations or regulations to go along with it. First decent idea a lefty bastard has come up with in decades. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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First of all, thank you, for not dismissing me out of hand. I agree: stuff like "fast and furious," definitely, we need to look out for that. We need to defend our rights. However, I think we also can at least try to come up with some solutions. I mean, even little things might help. Example: What if a state government that has sales taxes excludes taxes for gun safes and lock boxes? It's a tiny step, but maybe a few more people would buy gun safes and lock up their guns, not just in case they have a mentally ill person in the house, but also to make it harder for criminals to steal guns when the owners aren't home. First decent idea a lefty bastard has come up with in decades.  I'll take that as a compliment because I've not been getting very many tonight.
So let's not just sit on it. If a commie-pinko-lefty bastard like me and all of you conservative gents agree on something, let's take the idea to our Congress-people! Maybe we can write a letter and all sign it? Again, the idea: End all sales taxes on devices that are used to secure firearms from unauthorized access (safes, lock boxes, whatever). Who's willing to sign a letter? |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:07:35 AM EDT
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They’re about to march on Topeka as soon as they get more S'More Schnapps. We’ll see if anyone else gets that reference. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:10:06 AM EDT
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No, I'm saying that if a gun is locked in a safe when a gun owner is not home, then a burglar would have a more difficult time stealing that gun, and if the burglar doesn't steal the gun, then there will be one less gun in the hands of criminals. We want that result. If the parent of the insane guy in Newtown would have kept the rifle locked away from him, dozens of kids would be alive today. It's just one thing to prevent some shootings, and it doesn't infringe on the Second Amendment. Ed |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:11:07 AM EDT
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Exactly. Fuckers just gotta keep up the rhetoric. It like they're dancing in the blood of those this thread is supposed to be about. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:11:31 AM EDT
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Well, thank you! I'll take that as a compliment because I've not been getting very many tonight.
So let's not just sit on it. If a commie-pinko-lefty bastard like me and all of you conservative gents agree on something, let's take the idea to our Congress-people! Maybe we can write a letter and all sign it? Again, the idea: End all sales taxes on devices that are used to secure firearms from unauthorized access (safes, lock boxes, whatever). Who's willing to sign a letter? Ed |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:14:00 AM EDT
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How about we don’t care about what Obama thinks? Ed |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:14:28 AM EDT
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So it's the gun owners for fault for locking his front door but not putting a gun in a safe? DO YOU REALIZE YOU HAVE JUST SAID THAT? Why don't you start your own damn thread on gun control and why you like it and want more of it. And since you're wasting peoples time trolling, at least ask your boss to pay for a freaking membership. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:14:46 AM EDT
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Leftist credentials check out. Youve made yourself a victim in a thread about a church shooting. Tier-1 Leftism. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:18:36 AM EDT
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Well, thank you! I'll take that as a compliment because I've not been getting very many tonight.
So let's not just sit on it. If a commie-pinko-lefty bastard like me and all of you conservative gents agree on something, let's take the idea to our Congress-people! Maybe we can write a letter and all sign it? Again, the idea: End all sales taxes on devices that are used to secure firearms from unauthorized access (safes, lock boxes, whatever). Who's willing to sign a letter? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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First of all, thank you, for not dismissing me out of hand. I agree: stuff like "fast and furious," definitely, we need to look out for that. We need to defend our rights. However, I think we also can at least try to come up with some solutions. I mean, even little things might help. Example: What if a state government that has sales taxes excludes taxes for gun safes and lock boxes? It's a tiny step, but maybe a few more people would buy gun safes and lock up their guns, not just in case they have a mentally ill person in the house, but also to make it harder for criminals to steal guns when the owners aren't home. First decent idea a lefty bastard has come up with in decades. I'll take that as a compliment because I've not been getting very many tonight.
So let's not just sit on it. If a commie-pinko-lefty bastard like me and all of you conservative gents agree on something, let's take the idea to our Congress-people! Maybe we can write a letter and all sign it? Again, the idea: End all sales taxes on devices that are used to secure firearms from unauthorized access (safes, lock boxes, whatever). Who's willing to sign a letter? "There is no such thing as a free lunch" |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:19:06 AM EDT
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That's a bizarre and illogical conclusion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Leftist credentials check out. Youve made yourself a victim in a thread about a church shooting. Tier-1 Leftism. <<<Still here |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:19:11 AM EDT
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I think TN v Garner is specifically related to l.e. not general citizens. Our right to use force is much broader here in Texas I can chase down and kill someone to retrieve my stolen lawn chair if I was so inclined and didn’t think I could get it back otherwise. In this case if I was the shooter I’d claim that the suspect stole my faith in humanity by shooting up the church and I had to shoot him to get it back. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't know about TX laws, but shooting a fleeing suspect isn't usually a good thing legally is it? <----LE, not lawyer.
But just to be clear TN V. Garner applies to everyone, like as in this case, exercising citizen arrest powers. Your state may be more restrictive. 
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:19:43 AM EDT
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Yes, an armed citizen grabbed his legally owned AR-15 rifle and took a position of cover. He shot the gunman as he was exiting the church. The gunman dropped his rifle and ran to his vehicle, an SUV. The armed citizen attempted to end the shooting spree and engaged the gunman in his vehicle, with one shot blowing out the rear window. The gunman fled in his vehicle. The armed citizen then flagged down a motorist, explained the situation and entered the vehicle. The driver called the police and pursued the gunman, reaching speeds of 95 mph and passing cars. The gunman's vehicle, with the armed citizen's pick-up on a few feet behind it, slowed and then went off the road. The driver of the pick-up told police the location of the gunman while the armed citizen covered the gunman's vehicle with his rifle. The gunman never moved, did not respond to verbal commands and fired no shots for the next 5 to 7 minutes until police arrived on scene. Evidence seems to indicate he was hit by the armed citizen's first shot and bled out while trying to escape. He died in his vehicle. MSM is not reporting he was killed by an local citizen armed with an AR-15 rifle who heard the gunfire and responded courageously risking death to try and save others. He is a hero. Two eye-witnesses collaborate everything written above in interviews. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:20:47 AM EDT
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Leftist credentials check out. Youve made yourself a victim in a thread about a church shooting. Tier-1 Leftism. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:22:06 AM EDT
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Can't be friends with an enemy. Liberals aren't just people with different viewpoints anymore. Today's liberals want to take my money, my rights, and if they could get away with it would imprison or kill me. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:23:04 AM EDT
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I don't want that! Well, I might want to take some of your money, I guess, but no more than anyone else, myself included, on a graduated income tax. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:23:43 AM EDT
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You're right. I just can't help myself though. I know it is wasted breath but call it a guilty pleasure responding to these clowns. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:24:49 AM EDT
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Are you reading Lug1? He called me a clown. I'm not supposed to say anything that might offend him, though, right? What are the odds Peacenik survives this thread with his account intact? |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:25:46 AM EDT
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Are you reading Lug1? He called me a clown. I'm not supposed to say anything that might offend him, though, right? Oh......Boo Hoo.....snivel.....gasp. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:26:37 AM EDT
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I'm sure Lug is REALLY happy you keep dragging his name into this. What are the odds Peacenik survives this thread with his account intact? |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:27:09 AM EDT
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Are you reading Lug1? He called me a clown. I'm not supposed to say anything that might offend him, though, right? |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:27:36 AM EDT
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Derp, derp, slurp derp, blah blah . No one here is interested in your viewpoint, your mindset, or your trolling liberal drivel. Please return to DU. If you get lost, just follow the trail of soiled waifus and smell of Feinstein's rotten crotch. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:28:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:29:56 AM EDT
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Jesus Christ God Almighty just STFU. No one here is interested in your viewpoint, your mindset, or your trolling liberal drivel. Please return to DU. If you get lost, just follow the trail of soiled waifus and smell of Feinstein's rotten crotch.  Ooooo that smell....can't ya smell that smell.....
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:30:18 AM EDT
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Perhaps the people controlling this forum don't kick members out just because those members might disagree with you. Soon. We’ll see if anyone else gets that reference. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:30:28 AM EDT
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Do you think if you keep repeating the same talking point over and over that people are going to start believing you? They don't. Take your ball and go home, we have our own. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:31:31 AM EDT
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Perhaps the people controlling this forum don't kick members out just because those members might disagree with you. Soon. We’ll see if anyone else gets that reference.
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:31:34 AM EDT
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Might as well change the thread title. This is now a thread about a new member called Peacenik.
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:34:52 AM EDT
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If you see that guy with the dead opossum wig, be sure to tell him that I'm an American citizen, born in the Great State of Ohio, and I don't have to go anywhere I don't want to go. Well, as long as YOU believe you. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:34:54 AM EDT
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Well...don't let the horror of the specifics of the reason for this thread slow your quest for spending my tax money. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But so many things are funded that way. Rural electrification and telephony, for example, never would have happened if left to market forces. I used to be a "hard" libertarian, but it doesn't work. There are things that require tax dollars. Not everything, but when something needs to get done, and there's no profit motive, government and tax dollars have to step in. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:37:51 AM EDT
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It lost context. First I suggested mental health outreach available to anyone who needs it, which might, in some cases, help to prevent another person from going insane and committing mass murder. Then someone said, not if the government is going to force me (through taxes) to pay for it. Then I explained that we benefit from all kinds of services that are funded that way. (ignore) |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:38:46 AM EDT
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If you see that guy with the dead opossum wig, be sure to tell him that I'm an American citizen, born in the Great State of Ohio, and I don't have to go anywhere I don't want to go. Should have known. 
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:39:54 AM EDT
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Arockers get banned. Incidentally, you really need to read the first amendment as it only provides protection from the government...not the internet. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 4:41:04 AM EDT
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It lost context. First I suggested mental health outreach available to anyone who needs it, which might, in some cases, help to prevent another person from going insane and committing mass murder. Then someone said, not if the government is going to force me (through taxes) to pay for it. Then I explained that we benefit from all kinds of services that are funded that way. |
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