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Posted: 8/11/2023 2:23:44 AM EDT
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That first video is like....wow Easy to get caught like that and nowhere to run. |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 2:34:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryMy aunts old house looks to survived by that map. When she lived there, there was not that many structures between her house and downtown Lahaina. That place has really grown over the years out of the cane fields. |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 6:35:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh yeah! I totally blanked there. I forgot about that drive and have never done it. Next time, if there is one. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have done the road to Hana in a rental keep and loved it, Highway 340 on the Northside in a full size suv is a different animal. https://www.dangerousroads.org/north-america/usa/643-kahekili-highway-usa.html That road was TIGHT in a Mustang. I can't imagine going down that road in a full size SUV. |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 6:50:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Man, that's horrible.  Old town Lahaina was a cool little place with some neat history. Visited there a million years ago and stayed at the Westin. Went to the Hardrock, Cheeseburgers in Paradise, a place called Kimo's, a pretty nice French restaurant, and got breakfast a few times at a place in the old town that put coconut syrup on the pancakes and waffles.  If I was younger I would go help rebuild for a couple of years. |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 6:55:01 AM EDT
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People don’t think Hawaii fire be like it is, but it do
 Extreme Fire Risk by FredMan, on Flickr Burnt Eucalyptus by FredMan, on Flickr
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Posted: 8/11/2023 7:02:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didnt know wildfires were a thing in Hawaii. I thought it rained there almost daily so I assumed it would be too wet for them. The interior of several islands is in rain shadow from volcanoes. There’s usually a wet side and dry side. The dry side is pretty close to a desert. Big Island Wet side  Hamakua Road That Time Forgot by FredMan, on Flickr Paheehee Stream by FredMan, on Flickr Hakalau Stream by FredMan, on FlickrDry side  Waikoloa Highlands Sunbeams by FredMan, on Flickr Misty Kohala by FredMan, on Flickr Goats by FredMan, on Flickr
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Posted: 8/11/2023 7:06:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kimo's! Home of the Hula Pie! Jake's Del Mar is one of their restaurants, owned by cool as shit surfer dude types. |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 8:16:59 AM EDT
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The 150 yo banyan tree isn't going to survive the scorching it took.
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Posted: 8/11/2023 8:22:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unfortunately our different county civil defense agencies don't play well with others...especially outsiders. You'd be better off working with one of the NGOs like Red Cross (who is looking for volunteers) or Salvation Army. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Anyone aware of a contact for the operations branch of what by now is almost certainly a unified command to see if they need experienced responders to come out and help with USAR, medical and/or FD needs? Our place in Kihei survived and I've got the ability to come out but I'm guessing they're still in the keeping their head above water phase of managing this and may not be in a position to coordinate this yet. Unfortunately our different county civil defense agencies don't play well with others...especially outsiders. You'd be better off working with one of the NGOs like Red Cross (who is looking for volunteers) or Salvation Army. Thanks for the insight, interoperability with mutual aid or outside resources is complicated in normal times, worse in hard ones. |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 8:23:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Contact the Medical Reserve Corps. https://health.hawaii.gov/prepare/mrc/ Also HI-EMA https://dod.hawaii.gov/hiema/contact-us/ Although I could see the above being the case too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Anyone aware of a contact for the operations branch of what by now is almost certainly a unified command to see if they need experienced responders to come out and help with USAR, medical and/or FD needs? Our place in Kihei survived and I've got the ability to come out but I'm guessing they're still in the keeping their head above water phase of managing this and may not be in a position to coordinate this yet. Contact the Medical Reserve Corps. https://health.hawaii.gov/prepare/mrc/ Also HI-EMA https://dod.hawaii.gov/hiema/contact-us/ Although I could see the above being the case too. Mahalo! |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 8:24:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That road was TIGHT in a Mustang. I can't imagine going down that road in a full size SUV. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have done the road to Hana in a rental keep and loved it, Highway 340 on the Northside in a full size suv is a different animal. https://www.dangerousroads.org/north-america/usa/643-kahekili-highway-usa.html That road was TIGHT in a Mustang. I can't imagine going down that road in a full size SUV. You should see it when the school buses go through there and other large trucks, zero fucks given unless someone's driving stupid and in their way, they've driven it too many times. |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 8:29:02 AM EDT
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Spoke to my union president Wednesday night to coordinate a donation from our benevolent fund, we're not yet sure where it should go but will probably split the money between FD and public needs.
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Posted: 8/11/2023 9:25:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kihei is experiencing fires. The north and east area is on fire right now. Wailea is safe for now. Makawao and the upcountry has fires there as well. It's not a good situation but not as bad as Lahaina - I'm looking at you Red Cross... |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 9:32:08 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/11/2023 10:41:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The car may have been full and it wasn't clear she was alive, fuck that's sad. Life is full of hard realities and tough decisions. I don’t have the right to second guess them. |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 10:47:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can thank NAFTA and cheap Mexican cane super, add EPA regulations and all the mainlander who bought a place next to the cane field and got pissed and filed complaints to every alphabet agency the state and Feds had when the plantations would burn the fields to harvest. Now add the state that declared every hole in the ground that held water be a dam regulated by the state that forced the land owners to drain all the irrigation pond that dotted the fields The one thing the plantations were experts at was putting out brush fires, they had crews on standby, plus tons of heavy equipment they could roll out quick to cut fire breaks They kept the Central Valley and westside green and maintained fire breaks If you came to Maui 30 years ago everywhere was green with sugar cane, now it dry gone fallow and over grown Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What's driving Maui's devastating fires, and how climate change is fueling those conditions https://apnews.com/article/hawaii-wildfires-climate-change-92c0930be7c28ec9ac71392a83c87582 They can't help themselves. Never let a crisis... Of course they won't mention the history of agriculture o. That side of the island, Lahaina was surrounded by sugar cane crops that were irrigated, they replaced natural brush to grow the crops and when they stopped growing the crops they didn't manage the land and just let grass grow wild. Major fire hazard and it hit Lahaina hard, if the sugar Cain was still growing this probbably would not have happened. You can thank NAFTA and cheap Mexican cane super, add EPA regulations and all the mainlander who bought a place next to the cane field and got pissed and filed complaints to every alphabet agency the state and Feds had when the plantations would burn the fields to harvest. Now add the state that declared every hole in the ground that held water be a dam regulated by the state that forced the land owners to drain all the irrigation pond that dotted the fields The one thing the plantations were experts at was putting out brush fires, they had crews on standby, plus tons of heavy equipment they could roll out quick to cut fire breaks They kept the Central Valley and westside green and maintained fire breaks If you came to Maui 30 years ago everywhere was green with sugar cane, now it dry gone fallow and over grown These are great points! I remember being out in Kehei pre and post Puunene closing. Karens pre: "Boo Ashfall, smoke & Cane trucks crossing the roads" Karens post: "Boo soil storms, ugly valley & development risk". No mention (at the retail level) of a way elevated fire risk. I haven't been to the west side since the closing, but Puunene certainly greened it up pre 2016. |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 10:58:43 AM EDT
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Very clear drone footage - 5 videos
https://www.youtube.com/@shawnkleinart5815  2023-08-10 Lahaina Maui fires drone 3 of 5 banyan to south |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 11:10:35 AM EDT
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We were in Maui at the beginning of July for a 25th anniversary/HS graduation/trip of a lifetime. To see it all burned is heart breaking.
It was the best trip we ever took as a family. The people there are in our prayers. I'll be interested to find out which charities are worth a darn for rebuilding. |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 11:11:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Very clear drone footage - 5 videos https://www.youtube.com/@shawnkleinart5815  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-s7vtLT0SsCrazy to see a house untouched and everything around it destroyed. What a nightmare
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Posted: 8/11/2023 11:22:58 AM EDT
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Supposed to be heading to Honolulu by the end of the month. Should I be rescheduling this trip?
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Posted: 8/11/2023 11:29:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Very clear drone footage - 5 videos https://www.youtube.com/@shawnkleinart5815 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-s7vtLT0SsThat guys likely gonna get a proper ass fucking flying that thing under emergency conditions with helicopters in the air. He also needs to hand the controller to someone who has a clue how to film and not ruin the footage with constant adjustments. If he's filming the destruction of his own or families property/lives then he gets a little slack. But the minute the helicopter came by he should have grounded it. |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 11:29:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/11/2023 11:31:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Supposed to be heading to Honolulu by the end of the month. Should I be rescheduling this trip? Not on Maui... I doubt there will be anything impacting tourism on Oahu. |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 11:33:48 AM EDT
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Lived in Kihei for a year while working for Maui Pineapple.
So sad to see the destruction and loss of life. Just my opinion, but a cruise liner parked there would solve many issues for the residents. Some company should step up. |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 11:34:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Supposed to be heading to Honolulu by the end of the month. Should I be rescheduling this trip? Totally different island. You will be fine in Honolulu |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 11:36:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lived in Kihei for a year while working for Maui Pineapple. So sad to see the destruction and loss of life. Just my opinion, but a cruise liner parked there would solve many issues for the residents. Some company should step up. Local heads would explode. They need the help, but they are 100% opposed to any inter-island ferry or cruise ship access to the island due to environmental concerns. |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 11:36:52 AM EDT
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A cruise liner solves many issues at once.
Housing Food Health care Communication…. |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 11:40:07 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/11/2023 11:42:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A cruise liner solves many issues at once. Housing Food Health care Communication . Kahului harbor could hold it, there is one there for a few days every week. A daily in/out exodus would be nightmarish. |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 12:20:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/11/2023 1:24:02 PM EDT
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'We don't want to be a distraction': VP Harris explains why she and President aren't going to Maui - amid race against clock to find 1,000 missing locals who disappeared
  In this image obtained from the US Department of Defense, Honolulu Fire Department vehicles and personnel are secured onto a C-17 Globemaster III on August 10, 2023, at Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam in Honolulu, Hawaii. A team comprised of firefighters, rescue specialists and incident management personnel, and disaster-relief cargo deployed to aid communities impacted by several wildfires Continued |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 1:25:42 PM EDT
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Did I hear this correctly? Critics are saying that the emergency alerts should have gone out sooner, but a local official is saying that criticism isn't fair because people disobeyed his order to "shelter in place"?
Is the guy actually implying that he's above criticism because people didn't stay put in their tinderboxes while a firestorm raged through? |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 2:05:21 PM EDT
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Should they still have tourism going to Maui at this time?
Would it even be worth going to Maui considering the main tourist attraction area is gone? Would tourism put a burden on resources that can't be handled? |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 2:27:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Should they still have tourism going to Maui at this time? Would it even be worth going to Maui considering the main tourist attraction area is gone? Would tourism put a burden on resources that can't be handled? There is a lot to do on Maui that isn't in Lahaina. That said, I wouldn't go at this time. I'd wait at least until the recovery efforts have ceased and the roads are open. |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 2:29:01 PM EDT
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Missed this entire thread and news event.
Anyone feel kind enough to give me a quick run down? |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 2:29:02 PM EDT
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My bosses family lost everything, just got this from his fam:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/helplahaina?utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link_all&utm_source=customer |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 2:35:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Missed this entire thread and news event. Anyone feel kind enough to give me a quick run down? Old sugar plantations replaced with dry grass. Wind driven fire swept through area and historic district basically burned to the ground. Possibly 100+ morts and it's an island so disaster response resources are limited in scope and supply. |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 2:35:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Missed this entire thread and news event. Anyone feel kind enough to give me a quick run down? |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 2:35:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did I hear this correctly? Critics are saying that the emergency alerts should have gone out sooner, but a local official is saying that criticism isn't fair because people disobeyed his order to "shelter in place"? Is the guy actually implying that he's above criticism because people didn't stay put in their tinderboxes while a firestorm raged through? Probably the same guy that sent the missile warnings to everyone on the islands. SMH |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 2:35:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did I hear this correctly? Critics are saying that the emergency alerts should have gone out sooner, but a local official is saying that criticism isn't fair because people disobeyed his order to "shelter in place"? Is the guy actually implying that he's above criticism because people didn't stay put in their tinderboxes while a firestorm raged through? Wait, what People were told to shelter in place by emergency responders? 60-80 mph winds raging through old Cain homes and the idiots in charge actually told people this Holy fuck that death toll is gonna crank up there |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 2:37:42 PM EDT
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I assume in the coming months there will be a battle between people that have historically lived there but have no money to rebuild vs people from the outside with money?
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Posted: 8/11/2023 3:08:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 'We don't want to be a distraction': VP Harris explains why she and President aren't going to Maui - amid race against clock to find 1,000 missing locals who disappeared https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/08/11/17/74221247-12396041-image-a-67_1691771495699.jpg *snip* I don’t think distraction is the word you’re looking for. Leave it to a politician to drastically overstate self-worth. Hinderance, obstruction, interference, meddlesome, taking valuable resources, delaying search and rescue, hampering. These are all much better terms for when self righteous politicians visit the sites of disasters for easy political points and photo ops. |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 3:09:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait, what People were told to shelter in place by emergency responders? 60-80 mph winds raging through old Cain homes and the idiots in charge actually told people this Holy fuck that death toll is gonna crank up there Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Did I hear this correctly? Critics are saying that the emergency alerts should have gone out sooner, but a local official is saying that criticism isn't fair because people disobeyed his order to "shelter in place"? Is the guy actually implying that he's above criticism because people didn't stay put in their tinderboxes while a firestorm raged through? Wait, what People were told to shelter in place by emergency responders? 60-80 mph winds raging through old Cain homes and the idiots in charge actually told people this Holy fuck that death toll is gonna crank up there Shelter in place for a wildfire? |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 3:22:52 PM EDT
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Quoted: Old sugar plantations replaced with dry grass. Wind driven fire swept through area and historic district basically burned to the ground. Possibly 100+ morts and it's an island so disaster response resources are limited in scope and supply. Quoted: High winds (atypical) and dry conditions (typical) combined to drive a fire of unknown origin into a frenzy. The firestorm swept from east to west across a narrow north-south town full of tourists and locals which used to be the capitol of Hawaii. About 80% of the historic town was burned in a very short time, so far 55 people are known dead, some people had to flee into the ocean and it's completely nuts. Thank you bros |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 3:27:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's definitely what I heard. Was listening to some report at my desk and wasn't sure if I heard it right the first time. The second time I watched a little closer and that's the way it was presented. Nuts. Shelter in place for a wildfire? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Did I hear this correctly? Critics are saying that the emergency alerts should have gone out sooner, but a local official is saying that criticism isn't fair because people disobeyed his order to "shelter in place"? Is the guy actually implying that he's above criticism because people didn't stay put in their tinderboxes while a firestorm raged through? Wait, what People were told to shelter in place by emergency responders? 60-80 mph winds raging through old Cain homes and the idiots in charge actually told people this Holy fuck that death toll is gonna crank up there Shelter in place for a wildfire? Reminds me of the announcements telling workers to remain in the 2nd building after the 1st WTC tower was hit. |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 3:41:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not on Maui... I doubt there will be anything impacting tourism on Oahu. There's probably a lot of Maui residents that are going to need places to stay. No small amount will wind up in Oahu hotels and with friends/family. I'll bet there's a lot of housing on neighboring islands doing the right thing and giving discounts to Kama'aina that need it. There's going to be a lot of tourists that HAD reservations in Maui that are going to swivel to the other islands, giving those an unprecedented boost. It's going to be messed up there for air travel with all the interisland flight, not to mention the flights to mainland are jacked up big time from OGG right now. There's hundreds of people sleeping in the airport trying to get out: the trickle down there takes time. |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 3:47:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You should see it when the school buses go through there and other large trucks, zero fucks given unless someone's driving stupid and in their way, they've driven it too many times. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have done the road to Hana in a rental keep and loved it, Highway 340 on the Northside in a full size suv is a different animal. https://www.dangerousroads.org/north-america/usa/643-kahekili-highway-usa.html That road was TIGHT in a Mustang. I can't imagine going down that road in a full size SUV. You should see it when the school buses go through there and other large trucks, zero fucks given unless someone's driving stupid and in their way, they've driven it too many times. Perfect time to rebuild roads the way they should be |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 4:04:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I assume in the coming months there will be a battle between people that have historically lived there but have no money to rebuild vs people from the outside with money? This, only years... The battle over property rights/lineage, disaster relief money, rebuilding, property lines, resource allocation, permitting, access to enough materials and labor and everyone else doing the same is going to be painful. There will also be some slimy investment types greasing palms everywhere they can to acquire new "opportunities" |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 4:10:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Perfect time to rebuild roads the way they should be Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have done the road to Hana in a rental keep and loved it, Highway 340 on the Northside in a full size suv is a different animal. https://www.dangerousroads.org/north-america/usa/643-kahekili-highway-usa.html That road was TIGHT in a Mustang. I can't imagine going down that road in a full size SUV. You should see it when the school buses go through there and other large trucks, zero fucks given unless someone's driving stupid and in their way, they've driven it too many times. Perfect time to rebuild roads the way they should be That would require blasting out so much of the mountains |
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Posted: 8/11/2023 4:18:01 PM EDT
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Man, that Best Western that was next to the Banyan burned down to NOTHING. (Orange roof two-story on the lower right). It looks like there's not a foot of ashes... like an already-cleared lot. No metal bedframes, nothing. That burned super hot and windy for sure.
Google Map previously:  Drone footage now:   2023-08-10 Lahaina Maui fires drone 2 of 5 north to Banyan Tree at end of clip And yeah, sadly but opportunity in crisis, there's going to be a lot of hotel and condo developers swooping in to offer fast, big money to people that are in a pinch. That area will never look the same again. Which is sad, kind of like a mini-without-tragedy-version of when Matsumotos and that whole strip from Grass Skirt Grill/Strong Current surf shop on the North Shore Oahu went all stripmall. Killed the flavor and quaintness of the whole area for me. |
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