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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:03:14 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where I moved no building permit is required for structures under 300 sqft. I built a 299.5 sqft cabin and pay roughly $400 per year in property taxes on “raw land”. Fuck the government. >buy land >build a 299.5 sqft shed for each family member >pay cheap taxes >problem solved, problem staying solved Thanks for my new housing plan |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:03:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where I moved no building permit is required for structures under 300 sqft. I built a 299.5 sqft cabin and pay roughly $400 per year in property taxes on "raw land". Fuck the government. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:03:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where I moved no building permit is required for structures under 300 sqft. I built a 299.5 sqft cabin and pay roughly $400 per year in property taxes on “raw land”. Fuck the government. You are a chick magnet, sir! What woman could resist the charms of a 30'x10' one room hovel! Does it have a dirt floor? 
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:04:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They fund a Highway Patrol force large enough to invade and occupy Europe. Those patrolmen then park along each and every mile marker so they can cite you for going 66 in a 65 zone. 
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:04:35 AM EST
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Michigan has something similar to Cali's Prop 13.
5% maximum annual increase in taxes, CPI rate increase if less than 5%. It's a golden handcuff. The law took effect in 1994, right when we bought our house. So we're effectively paying half of what a new owner of our house would pay. Problem is selling. 3700sqft is way more than the 2 of us need, now with 4 kids gone. If we buy a house HALF the value, we'd still be paying the same as we are now. If we bought a smaller house of the same value, we'd have to pay double the tax we are now. Kinda messed up. And they say boomers are over-housed. Yeah, no shit. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:05:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The TEA party needs to come back. And not get infiltrated and corrupted by RINO’s this time. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:07:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: >buy land >build a 299.5 sqft shed for each family member >pay cheap taxes >problem solved, problem staying solved Thanks for my new housing plan dood, save some pussy for the rest of us. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:07:21 AM EST
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TX has high property taxes b/c of their 0 income tax.
CA has high income tax b/c they have Prop 13 which is a 1% limit on property tax based on purchase price with 2% annual increase limits which means a $10M dollar place today purchased in 1978 for $50K might only owe around $1800/yr in taxes. But if someone buys the property today, then it could be $100k/yr in taxes. CO had a great constitutional limit that prevented large increases in property tax and helped balanced the residential against commercial. The fucking libs voted it out in 2019. "Don't worry what could go wrong?" My property taxes doubled in 5 years. Luckily there are some ballot initiatives to help with this... |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:07:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most of this is driven by the Cult of Public "Education." Teacher and administrative salaries and benefits, massive school construction projects, etc., that no one dares to question because it's "for the children," when it is actually for all the adults attaching themselves to the government teat. No one over 60 should have to pay a "school tax" regardless of the value of their property. And people who are sending their children to private schools should be able to back their tuition out of their property tax to some extent. Our community school (grades 1-8) has 84 students last time I looked. We don't have a high school, when they move on to high school they have to go to one of the two neighboring towns that each have a small high school. One has a football program, one has a basketball program; that's usually how they choose where they want to advance to. In the last decade, they have tried desperately to pass a $24 million bond issue for (get this) --- a freaking sports complex! Luckily we have so far been successful in stopping the bond, but as west coasters and citiots keep moving in, it's getting closer to passing.  |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:07:37 AM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because .gov is a parasite. Because the education industrial complex is a false god. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:07:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Property taxes are becoming unattainable for many. One of the many reasons why we're leaving. I would hate to have your tax bill in TX. My inlaws live in Lampasas and their tax bill is double what my mom and stepdad pay here in bluegrass country. Home values are similar, fwiw. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:07:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are the locals selling to them then? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why have the property taxes gone up that much? Californians sell their garden shed for $2,000,000 then flee to states they haven’t fucked up yet and pay cash over asking price for real estate. Home values climb as a result along with property taxes. Eventually locals can’t afford to live where they grew up. Californians are a swarm of aids infected locusts. Why are the locals selling to them then? Because human nature is what it is. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:07:51 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At what age should you stop paying property tax? Let them take the tax out of the sale price after I’m dead. Better yet cut the amount that goes to schools to zero after age 50. Then make families pay per kid to make up the difference. The school part may be over 50% of my property tax bill. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:08:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Californians sell their garden shed for $2,000,000 then flee to states they haven’t fucked up yet and pay cash over asking price for real estate. Home values climb as a result along with property taxes. Eventually locals can’t afford to live where they grew up. Californians are a swarm of aids infected locusts. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why have the property taxes gone up that much? Californians sell their garden shed for $2,000,000 then flee to states they haven’t fucked up yet and pay cash over asking price for real estate. Home values climb as a result along with property taxes. Eventually locals can’t afford to live where they grew up. Californians are a swarm of aids infected locusts. What you are describing is exactly what has happened to Californians. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:09:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Property taxes should be locked in at the time of sale. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you've lived & worked in a state and paid taxes for X number of years, let's say over 10 years, your property taxes should cease if you're 65 or older. Gov't plans to tax you into homelessness to make room for the tax revenue producer. If you aren't a producer, they prefer that you either leave or die. That's an actual fact, they see you as a financial liability otherwise. Property taxes should be locked in at the time of sale. Not just the rate, the total dollar amount owed. It should be possible to pay off your property tax 100% and never owe another dime. Assess it based on purchase price and allow people to either pay it up front or roll it into their mortgage payment and pay it down over time with interest. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:11:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are a chick magnet, sir! What woman could resist the charms of a 30'x10' one room hovel! Does it have a dirt floor? I stopped caring about what shallow vapid whores think of the things I own long ago. It’s always cheaper to rent. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:12:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Look at the bright side. Our tax dollars have never been used more efficiently than they are now. The roads are perfect, the crime is nonexistent, the education system is unparalleled. As long as we agree to give them more taxes, our lives can only improve. Win win! Ron White has a legitimate contender... 
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:12:50 AM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Government at all levels has become imperious and unrestrained. They govern by force, threat and intimidation. We were warned. 
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:13:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The taxes went up because the value of the house went up. The tax rate didn't change unless new local assessments were passed. It's still only a fixed 1% plus any local assessments of the sales price whether you bought your house 15 years ago or today and then yearly cap on increases. Yeah, like I said. Cheap if you bought when home prices were low. Buy anything in most of California today and you are going to pay a lot of property tax. And anyplace built recently will have Mello Roos on top of it. My mom bought back in 2004 in Corona for $375K. Her taxes have climb up to $6200 a year now. Zillow values the place at $660K. It's a small place in a retirement community. A similar place just down the street that sold in 2022 is paying over $8200 in taxes. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:13:53 AM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I stopped caring about what shallow vapid whores think of the things I own long ago. It’s always cheaper to rent. Welp, there it is... 
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:14:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Michigan has something similar to Cali's Prop 13. 5% maximum annual increase in taxes, CPI rate increase if less than 5%. It's a golden handcuff. The law took effect in 1994, right when we bought our house. So we're effectively paying half of what a new owner of our house would pay. Problem is selling. 3700sqft is way more than the 2 of us need, now with 4 kids gone. If we buy a house HALF the value, we'd still be paying the same as we are now. If we bought a smaller house of the same value, we'd have to pay double the tax we are now. Kinda messed up. And they say boomers are over-housed. Yeah, no shit. I have a house in MI. Paid 157k for it in 2011. Property taxes are 6k a year. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:15:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not just the rate, the total dollar amount owed. It should be possible to pay off your property tax 100% and never owe another dime. Assess it based on purchase price and allow people to either pay it up front or roll it into their mortgage payment and pay it down over time with interest. I’m fine with it. I’m also fine with replacing all taxation with a sales tax. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:15:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why have the property taxes gone up that much? Taxes collected on asset "value" on an annual basis are the most unfair, destructive, and harmful taxes because the value of a home doesn't do the home owner any good when they are living in it. Value isn't income, it's not easily predicted and budgeted for and you may not get it when you do sell. The fucking government can either wait till you sell or come up with a more equitable and payable solution. The measly reductions are always very unhelpful to retired persons. Yeah, you stupid bastards are still taxing people out of their homes while giving tax breaks to large corporations (often foreign) to "bring" in jobs. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:16:58 AM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why have the property taxes gone up that much? TRansplanted Californians. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:20:47 AM EST
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What has changed in the last 20 years to make taxes go up? Cost of construction materials has gone up a lot. But mainly, more people demanding more and more infrastructure. New people moving in, people wanting more roads, more transit, more fire protection, more police, more schools, more government and more government employees. And its happening everywhere people want to live.
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:22:50 AM EST
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In TN, maybe other states too, one can lock in their property tax rate at 65yo for life. Not many folks seem to take advantage of this though.
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:26:10 AM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why have the property taxes gone up that much? They give Billing as and example but he most likely does not live in Billings, I would guess Bozeman. Bozeman has had many super rich move into the area and have sent the price of real estate through the roof. Houses that are worth $300,000 here in Billings will cost $1,000,000 + in Bozeman. Yes the biggest pollution problem in Montana is not the Coalstrip power plant, it's rich leftist moving here from Calf. They are destroying a beautiful way of life and a great state. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:27:11 AM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Our community school (grades 1-8) has 84 students last time I looked. We don't have a high school, when they move on to high school they have to go to one of the two neighboring towns that each have a small high school. One has a football program, one has a basketball program; that's usually how they choose where they want to advance to. In the last decade, they have tried desperately to pass a $24 million bond issue for (get this) --- a freaking sports complex! Luckily we have so far been successful in stopping the bond, but as west coasters and citiots keep moving in, it's getting closer to passing. In Livingston MT, we are having an issue with a $30M community center athletic complex. The big problem is...they don't know where to put it. The old Civic Center is an a flood plain next to a skate park, high school, band shelter, lagoon, city pool, and all this that sits next to a river...the "A River Runs Through It." river. On top of all that it's in the natioanl historical register. The Townies don't want to lose the money and it is an amazing opportunity for the community, as it's being funded by a couple billionaires or something. Up keep/fees will fall on the community and that's a whole other can of worms. But, there's nowhere convenient to put it. So, get this. They want to put it about 1.5 miles away, in the north side of town "scrabble" streets. On a neighborhood park that nobody ever uses, next to the old trash incinerator (which is now the local trash transfer station), so dust, trucks, gravel roads. In a shit neighborhood, with no amenities, next to the rail yard, sitting on top of a diesel/chemical spill "plume" that is a super fund site. It's completely fucking stupid and the best answer is to take a portion of that $30M and refurbish and expand the existing civil center, pave the parking lots/streets and rebuild/expand the public pool. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:28:05 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m not from Montana, but have known a few from there. I’ve never heard the term Montucky except in JL threads here. Is that a common term for Montana? NO! |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:30:45 AM EST
[#30]
Before I feel any pity for him, I'd just like to know how much he payed in rent/mortgage in his 20s. Average rent nowadays is $1,600 to $1,700 for a basic 1 bedroom apartment. If he only has to pay $800 for a house to live in while younger generations have to pay double that for a 1 bedroom apartment, then I honestly feel nothing for him.
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:33:14 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In Livingston MT, we are having an issue with a $30M community center athletic complex. The big problem is...they don't know where to put it. The old Civic Center is an a flood plain next to a skate park, high school, band shelter, lagoon, city pool, and all this that sits next to a river...the "A River Runs Through It." river. On top of all that it's in the natioanl historical register. The Townies don't want to lose the money and it is an amazing opportunity as it's being funded by a couple billionaires or something. But, there's nowhere convenient to put it. So, get this. They want to put it about 1.5 miles away, in the north "scrabble" streets. On a neighborhood park that nobody ever uses, next to the old trash incinerator (which is now the local trash transfer station), so dust, trucks, gravel roads. In a shit neighborhood, with no amenities, next to the rail yard, sitting on top of a diesel/chemical spill "plume" that is a super fund site. It's completely fucking stupid and the best answer is to take a portion of that $30 and refurbish and expand the existing civil center, pave the parking lots/streets and rebuild/expand the public pool. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Our community school (grades 1-8) has 84 students last time I looked. We don't have a high school, when they move on to high school they have to go to one of the two neighboring towns that each have a small high school. One has a football program, one has a basketball program; that's usually how they choose where they want to advance to. In the last decade, they have tried desperately to pass a $24 million bond issue for (get this) --- a freaking sports complex! Luckily we have so far been successful in stopping the bond, but as west coasters and citiots keep moving in, it's getting closer to passing. In Livingston MT, we are having an issue with a $30M community center athletic complex. The big problem is...they don't know where to put it. The old Civic Center is an a flood plain next to a skate park, high school, band shelter, lagoon, city pool, and all this that sits next to a river...the "A River Runs Through It." river. On top of all that it's in the natioanl historical register. The Townies don't want to lose the money and it is an amazing opportunity as it's being funded by a couple billionaires or something. But, there's nowhere convenient to put it. So, get this. They want to put it about 1.5 miles away, in the north "scrabble" streets. On a neighborhood park that nobody ever uses, next to the old trash incinerator (which is now the local trash transfer station), so dust, trucks, gravel roads. In a shit neighborhood, with no amenities, next to the rail yard, sitting on top of a diesel/chemical spill "plume" that is a super fund site. It's completely fucking stupid and the best answer is to take a portion of that $30 and refurbish and expand the existing civil center, pave the parking lots/streets and rebuild/expand the public pool. This isn't even a community sports complex I'm talking about. The damn grade school wants the $24 million sports complex. It's a school bond issue, and they've tried it over and over. They don't even have a sports team of any kind, just a damn grade 1- grade 8 small school. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:34:31 AM EST
[#32]
In Florida 20+ years ago in Columbia county my dad’s property taxes jumped massively, IIRC something like $300 a year to way over $3000 a year in 10 years. It was higher, I just can’t remember exact figures, for a 2500sq’ brick house on 2 acres.
He sold his house, moved 20 miles into Suwannee county and built a new house of equal value on 5 acres, prop taxes were approx $300 again. Lord knows what they are now. Ky offers discounts for elderly/ disabled military, defers $40,000 of your home value from taxation. But yes, property taxes are out of control due to out of control government spending, city, county, state and federal. Everyone bitches about not getting paid enough, but this is where higher pay goes, especially in government jobs, it goes into your property taxes, and a thousand other taxes, so does social programs, new buildings, nicer streets, bigger parks, stadiums and a million other gotta have bullshit, that’s nice, but not necessary, and very expensive. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:37:50 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Before I feel any pity for him, I'd just like to know how much he payed in rent/mortgage in his 20s. Average rent nowadays is $1,600 to $1,700 for a basic 1 bedroom apartment. If he only has to pay $800 for a house to live in while younger generations have to pay double that for a 1 bedroom apartment, then I honestly feel nothing for him. Tell us you are millenial without telling us your are millenial. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:39:06 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cali is broke. It's just a matter of time before the corrupt state gov goes after prop 13. Got to keep in mind, you have to ask these folk who are screaming "bloody murder" who did they vote for in the last few elections. Most people like the gunners, are not interested in politics, until it is too late to do anything about it. For years and year, I have been screaming the anti-gun politicos, and the response from the gunners was, "I am not interested in politics." The political system in the US is kind of like boiling a frog, ie it starts low but once the ball get rolling there is no way to stop it. The voters got the government they voted for, so today, "it is no skin off my nose," and of course it is too late to get rid of people like Newsom, Bonta etc. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:39:31 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In TN, maybe other states too, one can lock in their property tax rate at 65yo for life. Not many folks seem to take advantage of this though. Absolutely! Many state/county tax breaks must be applied for. Never assume you're getting any tax break automatically "because you turned 65". There are other breaks that need to be used. Call, or better yet visit in person and inquire. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:41:50 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tell us you are millenial without telling us your are millenial. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Before I feel any pity for him, I'd just like to know how much he payed in rent/mortgage in his 20s. Average rent nowadays is $1,600 to $1,700 for a basic 1 bedroom apartment. If he only has to pay $800 for a house to live in while younger generations have to pay double that for a 1 bedroom apartment, then I honestly feel nothing for him. Tell us you are millenial without telling us your are millenial. He already did by communicating sound logic and reasoning in an electronic format with an understanding of the fundamental economic shift occurring in this nation |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:43:58 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Before I feel any pity for him, I'd just like to know how much he payed in rent/mortgage in his 20s. Average rent nowadays is $1,600 to $1,700 for a basic 1 bedroom apartment. If he only has to pay $800 for a house to live in while younger generations have to pay double that for a 1 bedroom apartment, then I honestly feel nothing for him. Oh, you mean when people were lucky to make in a day what minimum wage is for an hour now? When there were like 20 tax brackets that ended at 91%? Those good old days? |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:44:36 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why have the property taxes gone up that much? At a guess, his property value went up 800%. It happens. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:46:36 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This isn't even a community sports complex I'm talking about. The damn grade school wants the $24 million sports complex. It's a school bond issue, and they've tried it over and over. They don't even have a sports team of any kind, just a damn grade 1- grade 8 small school. Whoa! We had a meeting about this a few months ago. The drive for all these "amenities" is just an excuse to create more ties/tentacles/tangents of revenue and taxes, that then become dependency. Our city is pre-emptively wanting to expand the "donut" based on future population growth. In order to provide city services to people who already have wells and septic systems, and they have to pay for services even if they don't use/need them. They have already stuck people with bills for building services up to their house, even if they didn't need it. "Here's your $20K bill for sewers, and water utilities access, you don't need, and didn't ask for. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:48:01 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Last Tuesday we had our primary, and ther were 2 bond issues. One to continue a property tax for fire, one for EMS. I voted against both, but both won by a 4 to 1 margin. WTF? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: As someone who fought the local school bond tax hike..I feel this man’s issues. Last Tuesday we had our primary, and ther were 2 bond issues. One to continue a property tax for fire, one for EMS. I voted against both, but both won by a 4 to 1 margin. WTF? Fuck yeah, keep that 20+ year old engine put together with duct tape and bubble gum. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:49:23 AM EST
[#41]
We have land and cabin there and have watched the taxes skyrocket after covid. It’s because all the mega rich are buying up land and paying 50X the price you could have got in 2019. A 80 acre lot by us was selling for 320k, on river, and has sold twice now and recent sell was 2.5 million. The home values have gone insane.
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:50:38 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At what age should you stop paying property tax? Let them take the tax out of the sale price after I’m dead. I’d be in favor of municipalities doing “reverse mortgage for tax credit” at retirement age. Live property tax free. When you die, city gets your house. If the heirs want it they buy it from the city at market value. If parents want heirs to get the property, work a reverse mortgage for taxes with the heirs. Seems simple enough. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:51:46 AM EST
[#43]
When I built my house on Amelia Island, my monthly mortgage (8.25% @ the time IIRC) + HO insurance was ~$800/month.
I paid my house off 13 years ago but now pay almost $600 for property tax, insurance (HO and flood.) It's not a financial burden just an emotional one (ie pisses me off.) |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:53:18 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Taxation is theft. This. Very few politicians really want to lower taxes. They like spending other people’s money. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:53:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this another case of Montana just sat on low rates forever or no? I'm in SW Ohio and I pay $11k for 0.4 acres.  Damn. I'm also in SW Ohio, and mine are now $5700 for 5 acres. I also pay a 1% local school income tax. I'm retired, and my kids are in their 40's. ETA: My property tax jumped by about $1000 this year. There were two levies on the last ballot - one for the FD, and one for the schools. Much to my surprise and joy, both went down in flames. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:54:00 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At what age should you stop paying property tax? Let them take the tax out of the sale price after I’m dead. The moment you buy something. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:54:42 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You midwesterners really get screwed on property taxes. What on earth does OH do with all that money? Take a look at teacher salaries in Medina OH for a good indication of at least some of it. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:55:02 AM EST
[#48]
I pay close to 5K right now.....school just increased it's budget by 13%, so in Jan another big increase. At one point , it was up to 6K
They tripled our evaluation.........law requires them to redo valuation every 5 or 7 years...cant remember which. At any rate schools are the biggest [70-80%] of my tax bill. The land fill is closing in a couple years and we will have another big increase. I hoped to retire next June, but will probably have to work just to pay taxes. Taxation is not only theft, it is down right immoral !! |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:58:42 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Last Tuesday we had our primary, and ther were 2 bond issues. One to continue a property tax for fire, one for EMS. I voted against both, but both won by a 4 to 1 margin. WTF? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: As someone who fought the local school bond tax hike..I feel this man's issues. Last Tuesday we had our primary, and ther were 2 bond issues. One to continue a property tax for fire, one for EMS. I voted against both, but both won by a 4 to 1 margin. WTF? You think working parents have time to remember when the random local elections are held? |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 10:00:27 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Property taxes are becoming unattainable for many. One of the many reasons why we're leaving. And going where? Serious question. |
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