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Posted: 9/28/2019 3:11:19 PM EDT
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It seems that OP has a savior complex. Save this, save that, they can be saved. yada yada..... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: A gun can be shown to have saved a life. You can't really say that about vaping because its just a substitute. A nicotine inhaler (not a heat element, like below) is a better alternative as a cessation device, but I don't think you can really make a case that it saved someone. A gun in a self defense situation literally saves a life. Right then, right there. Can't say that about any vape device. https://media.consumeraffairs.com/files/news/nicotine-inhaler.jpg I dont think its being blown out of proportion. People respond to this kind of media coverage. Look at the frenzy whipped up about bumpstocks. This "blown out of proportion" coverage is probably lessening the use of vapes across the US. Vapers tend to be young and can be saved. I got a buddy (my friends neighbor), who's 18, he said he started because everyone around him was doing it and he started just to fit in. After all this coverage he said he wouldn't ever go near the stuff again. He's not a stupid kid either, has a job installing avionics and is getting his pilots license soon. I think its getting the attention it deserves. Maybe we can [b]save[b] you too and ban those things. If you're going to be a nanny state yankee statist, you might as well get a taste of your own medicine. Save this, save that, they can be saved. yada yada..... |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 3:37:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems like OP is a big government nanny state type that would be more comfortable on DU or Daily Kos. This one seemed to be going well with honest discussion and information sharing and then, bam left turn right into statistville. |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 3:59:50 PM EDT
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What if it saves lives tho? Its not like a gun. No vape pen has saved someone's life. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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More laws and bans is always the answer My last cigarette was 4/1/14. I started vaping instead, knowing that I could wean myself down to 0% nicotine. I quit vaping a couple of years ago. As far as smoking goes, I've tried the patch, gum, Chantix, and Zyban with no success - I was a two pack per day smoker. Thanks to vaping, kicking the nicotine habit was painless and I wasn't a complete prick to live with while I detoxed. Could you not make the argument that vaping might have saved my life, because it helped me to kick cigarettes and nicotine? Do you have any idea how many people are in the same boat as me? Millions. Either your math skills leave a helluva lot to be desired, or you have an irrational hard-on against vaping. Eleven people have died. That's bad, but literally millions of people have stopped smoking tobacco by way of vaping. Millions. No matter how you might feel about it, the invention of vaping has been fantastic when used for smoking cessation. @MrYar |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 6:54:36 PM EDT
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I would be willing to bet many more than 11 were killed directly my McDonalds food Quote HistoryQuoted:
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11 people have probably died this year from simply eating. 
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Posted: 9/28/2019 7:04:19 PM EDT
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The CDC just came out that the problem of this Lung shit is associated with Bootleg THC products !!!!!! The report also stated that because THC products are illegal for nonmedical use in these states (and others), and the majority of these products are obtained through friends, dealers or illegal means, it's possible some patients didn't disclose what products they'd used. Duhhhhhh !!! Health departments in some states – namely New York and Utah – are also eyeing vitamin E acetate as a potential cause of illness in some residents there. Laboratory testing confirmed the substance, also known as vitamin E oil, was present in "nearly all of the cannabis-containing samples" obtained from some sickened patients in New York. Meanwhile, Utah health officials said 90 percent of the samples tested by a state laboratory contained the agent. 
. Ball is in motion already, several states have banned flavors, one state has "temporarily" banned all vaping. We have |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 7:07:46 PM EDT
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Please IM me the causal connection
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Posted: 9/28/2019 7:26:04 PM EDT
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Please IM me the causal connection |
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Posted: 9/28/2019 8:03:36 PM EDT
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And how many people died in the same period from tobacco use and cigarettes? Probably thousands .
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Posted: 9/28/2019 11:40:39 PM EDT
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Lol addicts.
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Posted: 9/29/2019 12:18:40 AM EDT
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Yeah that's what they said when homosexuals, hemophiliacs, heroin addicts, and Haitians started showing up at hospitals with weird reddish lesions on their skins back in the late 1970s. Then look what happened. So your metaphor - isn't. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 2:47:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryNBC News commissioned laboratory tests of knock-off marijuana vapes that found a pesticide linked to hydrogen cyanide in 10 out 10 products. That testing wouldnt' have happened without the sensationalist coverage people are complaining about. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 2:57:03 AM EDT
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https://www.nbcnews.com/health/vaping/tests-show-bootleg-marijuana-vapes-tainted-hydrogen-cyanide-n1059356 That testing wouldnt' have happened without the sensationalist coverage people are complaining about. Fancy that. 
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Posted: 9/29/2019 7:08:03 AM EDT
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So, uh, it was the THC cartridges after all. Fancy that. 
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Posted: 9/29/2019 7:16:05 AM EDT
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Pew resurfaced these charts and figures as the death toll stemming from vaping-related breathing illness hit 12 on Thursday, the CDC reported, along with 805 confirmed or probable cases of the mysterious illness that has stricken the nation. 
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/these-charts-show-the-shocking-number-of-high-school-and-college-students-who-vape-2019-09-27?mod=investing Another article, highlighted the new news. There have now been 12 vaping-related deaths in the U.S. The latest was in Mississippi. So far, Mississippi has four people that are seriously sick with lung injuries tied to vaping. Those that are sick are all between the ages of 18 and 34.
There are now 805 cases of lung disease associated with the use of e-cigarettes or vaping products according to the Centers for Disease Control. Some cases may have been linked to vitamin E acetate, which is a thickening agent used in illegal black market THC vape liquid. As of now, there is no specific product or substance has been identified as the cause of the lung injuries. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 7:52:24 AM EDT
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I suspect it is a self chlorinating gene pool.
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Posted: 9/29/2019 9:24:55 AM EDT
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Smoking and drinking are something that's gets you for abuse over time. You don't start smoking cigarettes or drink a 6 pack and all the sudden get some unknown killer disease. Reusing some nasty device that vaporizes chemicals made by who knows what 3rd world shit hole country directly in to your lungs. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 9:30:53 AM EDT
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Sponsor by big tobacco! Want a light?https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/274692/EE4BFE15-9940-4822-9BB4-B53A71682EA0_jpeg-1103466.JPG 
That's the truth |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 9:37:12 AM EDT
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Deleted not worth the effort. It's too early. I'm going to go drink my coffee (caffeine) and vape (nicotine).
Crusade on.... |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 9:48:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you ever seen the conditions of a cigarette factory? |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 9:52:17 AM EDT
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Just Darwin doing his job.....
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Posted: 9/29/2019 9:53:50 AM EDT
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I'm choosing to believe that Trump's push to ban vaping, if true, is to get the dem's focus off guns for now.
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Posted: 9/29/2019 11:27:42 AM EDT
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Oh? My last cigarette was 4/1/14. I started vaping instead, knowing that I could wean myself down to 0% nicotine. I quit vaping a couple of years ago. As far as smoking goes, I've tried the patch, gum, Chantix, and Zyban with no success - I was a two pack per day smoker. Thanks to vaping, kicking the nicotine habit was painless and I wasn't a complete prick to live with while I detoxed. Could you not make the argument that vaping might have saved my life, because it helped me to kick cigarettes and nicotine? Do you have any idea how many people are in the same boat as me? Millions. Either your math skills leave a helluva lot to be desired, or you have an irrational hard-on against vaping. Eleven people have died. That's bad, but literally millions of people have stopped smoking tobacco by way of vaping. Millions. No matter how you might feel about it, the invention of vaping has been fantastic when used for smoking cessation. @MrYar |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 11:33:11 AM EDT
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Epidemic...
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Posted: 9/29/2019 11:33:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've posted a few times my feelings on this. I'd ban cigarettes and vape products, and people would get nicotine inhalers (lowest harm potential) from their doctor in order to kick the habit. Nobody has died after only a year or two of cigarette smoking. Something in this vape might be worse than smoking. I don't get the continued feeling that its less dangerous in the face of this epidemic. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 11:40:09 AM EDT
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They should ban heroin then no one could get it. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 11:45:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it was banned, we wouldn't have 27% of 12th graders vaping (see graph up a few posts). Maybe not zero, but you can't argue it doesn't have an effect. I really have no idea why you are so fixated on this whole vaping thing. If it was truly about saving people there are so many other things that would have a greater impact. So what is it all about? |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 11:55:43 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/29/2019 11:58:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it was banned, we wouldn't have 27% of 12th graders vaping (see graph up a few posts). Maybe not zero, but you can't argue it doesn't have an effect. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 12:02:13 PM EDT
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Um... yeah. Not seeing a problem here. But can’t tell chicken little that the sky isn’t falling.
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Posted: 9/29/2019 12:14:11 PM EDT
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Um... yeah. Not seeing a problem here. But can’t tell chicken little that the sky isn’t falling. Better ban stairs... so far this year, approximately 787 people have died while using them. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 12:20:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've posted a few times my feelings on this. I'd ban cigarettes and vape products, and people would get nicotine inhalers (lowest harm potential) from their doctor in order to kick the habit. Nobody has died after only a year or two of cigarette smoking. Something in this vape might be worse than smoking. I don't get the continued feeling that its less dangerous in the face of this epidemic. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 12:25:23 PM EDT
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If you were in a position to act on your wishes, there'd be enough consensus amongst those of us that love our freedom to end your reign of tyranny with extreme prejudice. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I've posted a few times my feelings on this. I'd ban cigarettes and vape products, and people would get nicotine inhalers (lowest harm potential) from their doctor in order to kick the habit. Nobody has died after only a year or two of cigarette smoking. Something in this vape might be worse than smoking. I don't get the continued feeling that its less dangerous in the face of this epidemic. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 12:42:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've posted a few times my feelings on this. I'd ban cigarettes and vape products, and people would get nicotine inhalers (lowest harm potential) from their doctor in order to kick the habit. Nobody has died after only a year or two of cigarette smoking. Something in this vape might be worse than smoking. I don't get the continued feeling that its less dangerous in the face of this epidemic.
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Posted: 9/29/2019 12:54:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah that's a great idea. Let's make public policy and ban things that MILLIONS of people use because of your feelings. Mighty fascist of you.
DU> What was it 40,000 firearms related deaths last year. Let's ban the thing that killed 11 people in one year. He still cant see the forest for the trees, that his fractured logic is the same logic the gun grabbers use, even trotting out the dead kids for effect like in sandy hook. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 1:01:09 PM EDT
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"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
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Posted: 9/29/2019 1:03:44 PM EDT
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Now now. Hes a freedom loving person...for the things he likes. Bet hes against a gun ban though. What was it 40,000 firearms related deaths last year. Let's ban the thing that killed 11 people in one year. He still cant see the forest for the trees, that his fractured logic is the same logic the gun grabbers use, even trotting out the dead kids for effect like in sandy hook. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 2:45:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, but the fire burns off all impurities. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 2:59:08 PM EDT
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This is an asinine story. First people vape are doing something that looks stupid and certainly carries health risks.
Then there is no way to verify that every aftermarket liquid they use is safe. Is this a fake manufactured "crisis" by the tobacco company...or by "researchers" who want funding? Whatever happened to the egg scare, or alar, or the Zika virus that was going to create billions of pin head babies. I have zero concern about this fake crisis or the fake opioid crisis. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 3:00:50 PM EDT
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Maybe some shittastic Chinese wire made out of metals that aren't supposed to be in there is a factor. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 3:49:00 PM EDT
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Because he intentionally has his eyes closed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Now now. Hes a freedom loving person...for the things he likes. Bet hes against a gun ban though. What was it 40,000 firearms related deaths last year. Let's ban the thing that killed 11 people in one year. He still cant see the forest for the trees, that his fractured logic is the same logic the gun grabbers use, even trotting out the dead kids for effect like in sandy hook. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 4:25:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/29/2019 4:28:07 PM EDT
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Funny part is if you asked him he probably believes he is more conservative than you.
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Posted: 9/29/2019 6:33:03 PM EDT
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I think his eyes are wide open but his colon is obstructing his view. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Now now. Hes a freedom loving person...for the things he likes. Bet hes against a gun ban though. What was it 40,000 firearms related deaths last year. Let's ban the thing that killed 11 people in one year. He still cant see the forest for the trees, that his fractured logic is the same logic the gun grabbers use, even trotting out the dead kids for effect like in sandy hook. 
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Posted: 9/29/2019 7:28:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think his eyes are wide open but his colon is obstructing his view.
Touché |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 8:59:03 PM EDT
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I don't think you can catch "vape cannabis lung" from someone else - it is more of an injury than a communicable disease. So your metaphor - isn't. Oh wait, I guess maybe you might be the clueless one here. |
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Posted: 9/29/2019 9:01:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/30/2019 1:33:26 AM EDT
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Today I Learned that the public health system only cares about infectious diseases, not gun violence, cigarettes, automobile accidents and seatbelts, motorcycle helmets, OSHA stuff, and countless more non-infectious-disease-related stuff. Oh wait, I guess maybe you might be the clueless one here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't think you can catch "vape cannabis lung" from someone else - it is more of an injury than a communicable disease. So your metaphor - isn't. Oh wait, I guess maybe you might be the clueless one here. - in a discussion about a non-communicable phenomenon. You have already revealed which of us is clueless, and it wasn't me. |
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Posted: 9/30/2019 2:54:05 AM EDT
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"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin  I'll send the obituary to a mod if people don't believe me. If it was banned, neither my grandfather or aunt would have taken it up. They were not the law breaking type. They wouldn't have found some dealer to go get it from. Being illegal really does make an impact.
There's something about vaping that people just don't see it as dangerous. Maybe this epidemic will change that, but I think its a fundamental problem with vape being worse than smoke as I've posted numerous times. The number of young people taking up vaping is scary. Cigarette smoking has declined in the last 50 years, we don't need a worse replacement. At least people understand the dangers in cigarettes. |
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Posted: 9/30/2019 8:38:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cigarettes killed my grandfather at 62 and my 55 year old aunt 2 months ago. I'll send the obituary to a mod if people don't believe me. If it was banned, neither my grandfather or aunt would have taken it up. They were not the law breaking type. They wouldn't have found some dealer to go get it from. Being illegal really does make an impact.
There's something about vaping that people just don't see it as dangerous. Maybe this epidemic will change that, but I think its a fundamental problem with vape being worse than smoke as I've posted numerous times. The number of young people taking up vaping is scary. Cigarette smoking has declined in the last 50 years, we don't need a worse replacement. At least people understand the dangers in cigarettes. Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals. -C.S. Lewis |
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Posted: 9/30/2019 8:42:22 AM EDT
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0.0000036% of the US population died of vaping. Oh teh noes |
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