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Posted: 11/18/2017 7:25:21 AM EST
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When this too let's you down, how will you react? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's been just over two weeks since indictments started. You're very impatient. 
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Posted: 11/18/2017 7:31:36 AM EST
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What the hell are you talking about-your post makes no sense. 
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Posted: 11/18/2017 8:07:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When this too let's you down, how will you react? |
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Posted: 11/18/2017 8:21:45 AM EST
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He's impervious to shame or embarrassment, and has no concept of how credibility is forged or lost, so I'm going to guess he'll be on to the next failed prediction by then. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/18/2017 8:53:10 AM EST
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He and his ilk will just move onto another country until they are out of countries. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/18/2017 9:01:16 AM EST
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At least seven more years of shit posting. Almost makes one miss Obama.
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Posted: 11/18/2017 9:09:02 AM EST
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Expect to hear a bit more about Panama, Cyprus, and China soon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/18/2017 10:09:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Expect to hear a bit more about Panama, Cyprus, and China soon. And guess what? NO ONE GIVES A SHIT!!!!!! 
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Posted: 11/18/2017 10:22:27 AM EST
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Damn, everyone was trying to steal the election from your girl!!! And guess what? NO ONE GIVES A SHIT!!!!!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/18/2017 10:28:50 AM EST
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I don't expect Fifth Avenue supporters to care. It ultimately doesn't matter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Expect to hear a bit more about Panama, Cyprus, and China soon. And guess what? NO ONE GIVES A SHIT!!!!!! |
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Posted: 11/18/2017 10:33:33 AM EST
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Damn, everyone was trying to steal the election from your girl!!! And guess what? NO ONE GIVES A SHIT!!!!!! <br style="font-size: 12.8px; line-height: 19.2px;">I don't expect Fifth Avenue supporters to care. It ultimately doesn't matter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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<div class="quote-container"><div class="quote-style">Quoted: Expect to hear a bit more about Panama, Cyprus, and China soon. And guess what? NO ONE GIVES A SHIT!!!!!! <br style="font-size: 12.8px; line-height: 19.2px;">I don't expect Fifth Avenue supporters to care. It ultimately doesn't matter. It ultimately doesn't matter. Correct. None of this matters. Trump is the President, and will be the President. 9 out of 10 people either don't know about "Muh RUSSSSSIA", or don't care. Panama? Cyprus? China? Lol. Nobody cares. Not that there's anything to care about. |
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Posted: 11/18/2017 10:36:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't expect Fifth Avenue supporters to care. It ultimately doesn't matter. 
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Posted: 11/18/2017 10:37:48 AM EST
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You are finally right about something. It ultimately doesn't matter. Correct. None of this matters. Trump is the President, and will be the President. 9 out of 10 people either don't know about "Muh RUSSSSSIA", or don't care. Panama? Cyprus? China? Lol. Nobody cares. Not that there's anything to care about. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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<div class="quote-container"><div class="quote-style">Quoted: Expect to hear a bit more about Panama, Cyprus, and China soon. And guess what? NO ONE GIVES A SHIT!!!!!! <br style="font-size: 12.8px; line-height: 19.2px;">I don't expect Fifth Avenue supporters to care. It ultimately doesn't matter. It ultimately doesn't matter. Correct. None of this matters. Trump is the President, and will be the President. 9 out of 10 people either don't know about "Muh RUSSSSSIA", or don't care. Panama? Cyprus? China? Lol. Nobody cares. Not that there's anything to care about. |
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Posted: 11/18/2017 10:42:00 AM EST
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Kushner's lawyer and another person who would be implicated says he's innocent. Very convincing. 
They didn't say he was innocent, they quoted his responding email, showing he was. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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<div class="quote-container"><div class="quote-style">Quoted: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kushner-failed-disclose-outreach-putin-ally-trump-campaign-n822021 
Kushner rebuffed the request after receiving a lengthy email exchange about it between a West Virginia man and Trump campaign aide Rick Dearborn, the sources said.
Kushner responded to the email by telling Dearborn and the handful of other Trump campaign officials on the email that they should not accept requests from people who pretend to have contacts with foreign officials to aggrandize themselves, according Kushner's lawyer, Abbe Lowell. Dearborn currently serves as a deputy chief of staff in the White House. "Pass on this," Kushner responded, according to a letter Lowell sent to the Senate Judiciary Committee Friday evening. "A lot of people come claiming to carry messages. Very few we are able to verify. For now I think we decline such meetings."
They didn't say he was innocent, they quoted his responding email, showing he was. |
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Posted: 11/18/2017 10:44:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Expect to hear a bit more about Panama, Cyprus, and China soon. She was singlehandedly fighting nearly the entire world. So valiant! What about Andorra ... and Lichtenstein? Were they lined up against her as well? 
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Posted: 11/18/2017 10:59:56 AM EST
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And Lusitania...
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Posted: 11/18/2017 11:03:23 AM EST
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It doesn't matter because a Fifth Avenue supporter that would forgive him for anything including shooting someone on Fifth Avenue isn't the one investigating him. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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<div class="quote-container"><div class="quote-style">Quoted: Expect to hear a bit more about Panama, Cyprus, and China soon. And guess what? NO ONE GIVES A SHIT!!!!!! <br style="font-size: 12.8px; line-height: 19.2px;">I don't expect Fifth Avenue supporters to care. It ultimately doesn't matter. It ultimately doesn't matter. Correct. None of this matters. Trump is the President, and will be the President. 9 out of 10 people either don't know about "Muh RUSSSSSIA", or don't care. Panama? Cyprus? China? Lol. Nobody cares. Not that there's anything to care about. Fifth avenue supporters and the rest of Americans are not going to chase you around the globe for your boogeyman collusion conspiracy theory to pan out. Admit your defeat nevertrumper! You lost! We have plenty amounts of real evidence that Hillary Clinton paid for the Russian propaganda Dossier from a paid Foreign Agent Spy and that Obama's administration used that as justification to spy on, unmask names and investigate Trump's campaign before Obama left office. |
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Posted: 11/18/2017 11:24:21 AM EST
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Posted: 11/18/2017 12:42:01 PM EST
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And Lusitania... They have a titanic intelligence service. |
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Posted: 11/18/2017 12:49:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It doesn't matter because a Fifth Avenue supporter that would forgive him for anything including shooting someone on Fifth Avenue isn't the one investigating him. |
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Posted: 11/18/2017 1:47:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ha ha ha.....I envision shills “litterally” shaking with anger, salty tears splashing on the key board, and a wailing sound like a dozen wet cats stuck in a bathtub...ha ha....
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Posted: 11/18/2017 2:37:52 PM EST
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You shouldn't let the world know that you can't understand simple concepts. Old news?:iiving in the past?.Mueller will bring you up to date on Russia spying and meddling in our country.Stay tuned. |
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Posted: 11/18/2017 2:40:36 PM EST
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Ames was convicted of aiding Russia in 1994.You act like you just read it on Wikipedia. Old news?:iiving in the past?.Mueller will bring you up to date on Russia spying and meddling in our country.Stay tuned. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You shouldn't let the world know that you can't understand simple concepts. Old news?:iiving in the past?.Mueller will bring you up to date on Russia spying and meddling in our country.Stay tuned. 
Another failed prediction? You just can't help yourself can you? |
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Posted: 11/18/2017 10:35:40 PM EST
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Ames was convicted of aiding Russia in 1994.You act like you just read it on Wikipedia. Old news?:iiving in the past?.Mueller will bring you up to date on Russia spying and meddling in our country.Stay tuned. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You shouldn't let the world know that you can't understand simple concepts. Old news?:iiving in the past?.Mueller will bring you up to date on Russia spying and meddling in our country.Stay tuned. Fold up the tents and head home.... Trumps done........ |
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Posted: 11/18/2017 10:42:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Expect to hear a bit more about Panama, Cyprus, and China soon. |
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Posted: 11/20/2017 1:40:16 AM EST
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Quiet in here.
Is the ministry of truth off this week? |
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Posted: 11/20/2017 2:22:38 AM EST
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Bad news for the never Trump fake conservatives
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/fbi-has-not-verified-trump-dossier/article/2641207 FBI and Justice Department officials have told congressional investigators in recent days that they have not been able to verify or corroborate the substantive allegations of collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign outlined in the Trump dossier. Whatever the case, the bottom line appears to be that the FBI and the Justice Department are not vouching for the accuracy of the substantive allegations of collusion in the dossier. Indeed, a careful reading of Schiff's interview with the Wall Street Journal suggests even the combative top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee isn't doing so, either. |
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Posted: 11/20/2017 6:06:30 AM EST
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Bad news for the never Trump fake conservatives http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/fbi-has-not-verified-trump-dossier/article/2641207 Trump should shut this shit show down tomorrow. We're at well over a year and they have jack shit. FBI director also said zero interference/obstruction from WH. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Bad news for the never Trump fake conservatives http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/fbi-has-not-verified-trump-dossier/article/2641207 FBI and Justice Department officials have told congressional investigators in recent days that they have not been able to verify or corroborate the substantive allegations of collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign outlined in the Trump dossier. Whatever the case, the bottom line appears to be that the FBI and the Justice Department are not vouching for the accuracy of the substantive allegations of collusion in the dossier. Indeed, a careful reading of Schiff's interview with the Wall Street Journal suggests even the combative top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee isn't doing so, either.
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Posted: 11/20/2017 6:17:52 AM EST
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At least seven more years of shit posting. Almost makes one miss Obama. |
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Posted: 11/20/2017 6:31:58 AM EST
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You are back to pretending that you have inside information I see. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/20/2017 6:32:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ames was convicted of aiding Russia in 1994.You act like you just read it on Wikipedia. Old news?:iiving in the past?.Mueller will bring you up to date on Russia spying and meddling in our country.Stay tuned. |
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Posted: 11/20/2017 6:39:29 AM EST
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11/20/17, no collusion found.
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Posted: 11/20/2017 7:14:43 AM EST
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11/20/17, no collusion found. 
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Posted: 11/20/2017 7:20:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You mean directly with Trump right? That would be pretty delusional to still believe there was no collusion at this point. |
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Posted: 11/20/2017 7:24:23 AM EST
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Well, we KNOW the DNC and Hillary colluded. With Russia and MSM outlets, so at least there's that........ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/20/2017 7:26:37 AM EST
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You mean directly with Trump right? That would be pretty delusional to still believe there was no collusion at this point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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11/20/17, no collusion found. |
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Posted: 11/20/2017 7:33:37 AM EST
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Sorry it is still a nothing burger...........and that is all that it will ever be. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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11/20/17, no collusion found. http://abcnews.go.com/US/special-counsel-sends-wide-ranging-request-documents-justice/story?id=51261366 Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team investigating whether President Donald Trump sought to obstruct a federal inquiry into connections between his presidential campaign and Russian operatives has now directed the Justice Department to turn over a broad array of documents, ABC News has learned.
In particular, Mueller's investigators are keen to obtain emails related to the firing of FBI Director James Comey and the earlier decision of Attorney General Jeff Sessions to recuse himself from the entire matter, according to a source who has not seen the specific request but was told about it. Issued within the past month, the directive marks the special counsel's first records request to the Justice Department, and it means Mueller is now demanding documents from the department overseeing his investigation. Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein played key roles in Comey's removal. And Sessions has since faced withering criticism from Trump over his recusal and Rosenstein's subsequent appointment of Mueller. Mueller's investigators now seek not only communications between Justice Department officials themselves, but also any communications with White House counterparts, the source said. Before this request, investigators asked former senior Justice Department officials for information from their time at the department, ABC News was told. The latest move suggests the Special Counsel is still actively digging into, among other matters, whether Trump or any other administration official improperly tried to influence an ongoing investigation. |
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Posted: 11/20/2017 7:37:00 AM EST
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I'd say that's pretty wishful thinking at this point. http://abcnews.go.com/US/special-counsel-sends-wide-ranging-request-documents-justice/story?id=51261366 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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11/20/17, no collusion found. http://abcnews.go.com/US/special-counsel-sends-wide-ranging-request-documents-justice/story?id=51261366 Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team investigating whether President Donald Trump sought to obstruct a federal inquiry into connections between his presidential campaign and Russian operatives has now directed the Justice Department to turn over a broad array of documents, ABC News has learned.
In particular, Mueller's investigators are keen to obtain emails related to the firing of FBI Director James Comey and the earlier decision of Attorney General Jeff Sessions to recuse himself from the entire matter, according to a source who has not seen the specific request but was told about it. Issued within the past month, the directive marks the special counsel's first records request to the Justice Department, and it means Mueller is now demanding documents from the department overseeing his investigation. Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein played key roles in Comey's removal. And Sessions has since faced withering criticism from Trump over his recusal and Rosenstein's subsequent appointment of Mueller. Mueller's investigators now seek not only communications between Justice Department officials themselves, but also any communications with White House counterparts, the source said. Before this request, investigators asked former senior Justice Department officials for information from their time at the department, ABC News was told. The latest move suggests the Special Counsel is still actively digging into, among other matters, whether Trump or any other administration official improperly tried to influence an ongoing investigation. This is nothing more than that and will............ONCE AGAIN............result in a nothing burger. |
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Posted: 11/20/2017 7:37:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd say that's pretty wishful thinking at this point. http://abcnews.go.com/US/special-counsel-sends-wide-ranging-request-documents-justice/story?id=51261366 |
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Posted: 11/20/2017 7:38:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Almost makes one consider not hanging out in this dump anymore |
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Posted: 11/20/2017 7:39:22 AM EST
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When an investigator has basically a nothing burger relative to the actual purpose of the original mission statement..........they move on to other non related bullshit in order to justify their existence. This is nothing more than that and will............ONCE AGAIN............result in a nothing burger. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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11/20/17, no collusion found. http://abcnews.go.com/US/special-counsel-sends-wide-ranging-request-documents-justice/story?id=51261366 Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team investigating whether President Donald Trump sought to obstruct a federal inquiry into connections between his presidential campaign and Russian operatives has now directed the Justice Department to turn over a broad array of documents, ABC News has learned.
In particular, Mueller's investigators are keen to obtain emails related to the firing of FBI Director James Comey and the earlier decision of Attorney General Jeff Sessions to recuse himself from the entire matter, according to a source who has not seen the specific request but was told about it. Issued within the past month, the directive marks the special counsel's first records request to the Justice Department, and it means Mueller is now demanding documents from the department overseeing his investigation. Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein played key roles in Comey's removal. And Sessions has since faced withering criticism from Trump over his recusal and Rosenstein's subsequent appointment of Mueller. Mueller's investigators now seek not only communications between Justice Department officials themselves, but also any communications with White House counterparts, the source said. Before this request, investigators asked former senior Justice Department officials for information from their time at the department, ABC News was told. The latest move suggests the Special Counsel is still actively digging into, among other matters, whether Trump or any other administration official improperly tried to influence an ongoing investigation. This is nothing more than that and will............ONCE AGAIN............result in a nothing burger. Obstruction of justice is defined in the omnibus clause of 18 U.S.C. § 1503, which provides that "whoever . . . . corruptly or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, influences, obstructs, or impedes, or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice, shall be (guilty of an offense)." Persons are charged under this statute based on allegations that a defendant intended to intefere with an official proceeding, by doing things such as destroying evidence, or intefering with the duties of jurors or court officers. A person obstructs justice when they have a specific intent to obstruct or interfere with a judicial proceeding. For a person to be convicted of obstructing justice, they must not only have the specific intent to obstruct the proceeding, but the person must know (1) that a proceeding was actually pending at the time; and (2) there must be a nexus between the defendant’s endeavor to obstruct justice and the proceeding, and the defendant must have knowledge of this nexus. § 1503 applies only to federal judicial proceedings. Under § 1505, however, a defendant can be convicted of obstruction of justice by obstructing a pending proceeding before Congress or a federal agency. A pending proceeding could include an informal investigation by an executive agency. |
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Posted: 11/20/2017 7:43:39 AM EST
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Top, I have a general idea of what obstruction of justice is.............Mueller is fishing and has nothing on the meat of his intended mission from the start............hopefully he is at least looking at DNC/Hillary collusion with the Russians.
Because THAT will not result in a nothing burger like anything and everything directly related to Trump and his behavior has. Sorry, Trump will not be impeached and my offer to bet you on this is still alive............$100 bet..............$1,000 bet............I'm game. |
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Posted: 11/20/2017 7:49:25 AM EST
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Top, I have a general idea of what obstruction of justice is.............Mueller is fishing and has nothing on the meat of his intended mission from the start............hopefully he is at least looking at DNC/Hillary collusion with the Russians. Because THAT will not result in a nothing burger like anything and everything directly related to Trump and his behavior has. Sorry, Trump will not be impeached and my offer to bet you on this is still alive............$100 bet..............$1,000 bet............I'm game. |
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Posted: 11/20/2017 7:50:43 AM EST
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Top, I have a general idea of what obstruction of justice is.............Mueller is fishing and has nothing on the meat of his intended mission from the start............hopefully he is at least looking at DNC/Hillary collusion with the Russians. Because THAT will not result in a nothing burger like anything and everything directly related to Trump and his behavior has. Sorry, Trump will not be impeached and my offer to bet you on this is still alive............$100 bet..............$1,000 bet............I'm game. 
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Posted: 11/20/2017 7:51:21 AM EST
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Reading between the lines, it looks like he/she/it is admitting there was no collusion and is moving on to other charges as well, just like Mueller. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Top, I have a general idea of what obstruction of justice is.............Mueller is fishing and has nothing on the meat of his intended mission from the start............hopefully he is at least looking at DNC/Hillary collusion with the Russians. Because THAT will not result in a nothing burger like anything and everything directly related to Trump and his behavior has. Sorry, Trump will not be impeached and my offer to bet you on this is still alive............$100 bet..............$1,000 bet............I'm game. |
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Posted: 11/20/2017 7:59:29 AM EST
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You mean directly with Trump right? That would be pretty delusional to still believe there was no collusion at this point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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11/20/17, no collusion found. I'd say that's pretty wishful thinking at this point. http://abcnews.go.com/US/special-counsel-sends-wide-ranging-request-documents-justice/story?id=51261366 Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team investigating whether President Donald Trump sought to obstruct a federal inquiry into connections between his presidential campaign and Russian operatives has now directed the Justice Department to turn over a broad array of documents, ABC News has learned.
In particular, Mueller's investigators are keen to obtain emails related to the firing of FBI Director James Comey and the earlier decision of Attorney General Jeff Sessions to recuse himself from the entire matter, according to a source who has not seen the specific request but was told about it. Issued within the past month, the directive marks the special counsel's first records request to the Justice Department, and it means Mueller is now demanding documents from the department overseeing his investigation. Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein played key roles in Comey's removal. And Sessions has since faced withering criticism from Trump over his recusal and Rosenstein's subsequent appointment of Mueller. Mueller's investigators now seek not only communications between Justice Department officials themselves, but also any communications with White House counterparts, the source said. Before this request, investigators asked former senior Justice Department officials for information from their time at the department, ABC News was told. The latest move suggests the Special Counsel is still actively digging into, among other matters, whether Trump or any other administration official improperly tried to influence an ongoing investigation. |
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Posted: 11/20/2017 8:01:00 AM EST
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I can't imagine getting on to ar15.com everyday and citing mainstream commie news sources against President Trump like a standard issue libitard everyday. At a certain point you have to think to yourself "what happened to me"?
It is really sad. |
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Posted: 11/20/2017 8:08:53 AM EST
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Trump admitted at an interview with Lester Holt that he fired the FBI Director because of the Russia investigation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Top, I have a general idea of what obstruction of justice is.............Mueller is fishing and has nothing on the meat of his intended mission from the start............hopefully he is at least looking at DNC/Hillary collusion with the Russians. Because THAT will not result in a nothing burger like anything and everything directly related to Trump and his behavior has. Sorry, Trump will not be impeached and my offer to bet you on this is still alive............$100 bet..............$1,000 bet............I'm game. |
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Posted: 11/20/2017 8:15:30 AM EST
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Top, I have a general idea of what obstruction of justice is.............Mueller is fishing and has nothing on the meat of his intended mission from the start............hopefully he is at least looking at DNC/Hillary collusion with the Russians. Because THAT will not result in a nothing burger like anything and everything directly related to Trump and his behavior has. Sorry, Trump will not be impeached and my offer to bet you on this is still alive............$100 bet..............$1,000 bet............I'm game.  President Trump Told Russians Firing James Comey Eased Investigation Pressure | NBC Nightly News I declare all investigations about me fake. Therefore I am innocent. |
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Posted: 11/20/2017 8:34:17 AM EST
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You mean directly with Trump right? That would be pretty delusional to still believe there was no collusion at this point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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11/20/17, no collusion found. There was no collusion with trump But there was with Hillary
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