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Posted: 10/26/2023 2:45:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just speculation but what are the publicly known capabilities of a CASA CN-235? Been checking ADSB exchange here and there and this aircraft C2304 seems to be flying up and down the waterways near Bath. Maybe they think he did make it out on a boat.  USCG CASA CN-235 #2304 https://www.flightglobal.com/eads-casa-rolls-out-first-deepwater-cn-235-for-us-coast-guard-picture/66387.article  |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 2:45:34 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just speculation but what are the publicly known capabilities of a CASA CN-235? Been checking ADSB exchange here and there and this aircraft C2304 seems to be flying up and down the waterways near Bath. Maybe they think he did make it out on a boat. https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ae223b |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 2:45:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had same training Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In my latest active shooter training we were actually taught to do anchor shots. We were told it is now state policy, put out by our Criminal Justice Standards and Training Commission, that any son of a bitch that tries to kill kids in a school in Florida is not going to survive the attempt. The thinking is we will be by ourselves until law enforcement arrives so we have to make sure the attacker is dead in case there is a second attacker we have to go deal with. I had same training Good |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 2:46:46 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In before the anchor shots are bad snowflakes. I might suggest good shoot but not great shooting. Still, took him down. Anchor shot on ccTV will send you to jail. |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 2:52:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably to avoid being arrested. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why take the gun off to bowl? Probably to avoid being arrested. It has been established that it was legal to carry in the bowling alley. |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 2:52:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Family lived in compound and involved in right wing militia according to this guy. Heavily involved in guns and hunting.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e85YhWMFuI... right wing milita guy goes nuts and starts shooting people and ... Goes after apparently random groups. Instead of the local government types ... Yeah, totally makes sense. 
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Posted: 10/26/2023 2:55:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even after the blurry photos, lots of, "That nose looks Afghan/Persian/Middle Eastern" etc. My first impression was that he had some French Canadian blood. Quite a bit French Canadian blood all the way down to N. CT., and his look is quite similar (I grew up in N. CT.). |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 2:56:34 PM EDT
[#8]
Hopefully he's not a fan of Garand thumb
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Posted: 10/26/2023 2:56:42 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I know I’m the exception not the rule but it’s not hard to carry while doing things like that. A quality holster and belt with some thought at wardrobe selection it’s fairly easy to not be seen carrying while also not looking like Gecko45 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So the first shot was 15 feet away from him. That is an absurdly easy pistol shot. Even beginners can hit a man sized target from the 5 yard line. I think hanging out with folks who carry and then reading sites like this makes me think everybody is carrying and ready to battle. My wife reminded me this morning that I vastly overestimate how much of the public is similar to me. Of course, had this guy been carrying, turned, and shot the guy dead, this would not even be a national news item. Stories where a bystander drops the shooter are not news. Yes, the population that a) carries a firearm b) trains with said firearm and c) has same firearm with them the majority of time in public is *maybe* 3% of all firearms owners. Let's talk about this exact scenario, a good Samaritan in a bowling alley. I can talk about this as I've been *that* guy carrying a gun in a bowling alley but if I'm there to bowl off comes the gun (put in the wife's purse, my bowling bag or left in the car's glove compartment.) If the GS type has the gun inn his wife's purse or his bowling bag, he's got a good chance and picking off the bad guy with a surprised shot but lets be honest, realistically the GM would leave the gun secured in his vehicle. In light of this I think all of us need to reevaluate when/where we're carrying if we're carrying, I'll admit to being a bit lax at times or because of inconvenience. Not every one of us is at Condition White 100% of the time, that's simply not possible. I know I’m the exception not the rule but it’s not hard to carry while doing things like that. A quality holster and belt with some thought at wardrobe selection it’s fairly easy to not be seen carrying while also not looking like Gecko45 I've never been a league bowler, but I was serious enough about it at one point that I took a class and was practicing two nights each week. To this day, I can't bowl worth a shit without a pistol on me; I discovered that a few months ago when I was on a business trip to California. I later went back to my local bowling alley and thought I was just rusty... until I remembered that back when I was taking it seriously, I was carrying a 1911. I'm a noticeably worse bowler when I'm carrying my G43 than when I'm carrying a 1911 or other full-size pistol. Apparently the changes to weight distribution (or more likely, gait) are enough to have a real impact. |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 2:57:24 PM EDT
[#10]
Sorry, haven’t had time to read all preceding or see news updates today.
So this shitbag is still at large? |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 2:58:04 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A lot different from 93. It’s more crowded and more liberal as transplants move here. There are lots of homeless being bused in from other parts of New England and southern Maine. Drug dealers from other states have taken up residence. It’s a shame. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wonder how different our trip to Maine next year is gonna be... We've already booked the campsite just outside of Bangor. I haven't been up in that area since 1992. A lot different from 93. It’s more crowded and more liberal as transplants move here. There are lots of homeless being bused in from other parts of New England and southern Maine. Drug dealers from other states have taken up residence. It’s a shame. Yeah, the Bangor area is very different than 30 years ago. Lots of Lowell/Lawrence/Bronx drug trafficers, etc. |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 2:58:07 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry, haven’t had time to read all preceding or see news updates today. So this shitbag is still at large? Yes |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 2:58:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Card's boat, a 15-ft Bayliner is also missing, according to reports. Marine records seen by DailyMail.com show that Card registered a 2019 Sea Doo jet ski in his name in June, sparking fears that he could have used the watercraft to flee investigators after opening fire. What other vehicles does he have then? I can't imagine him towing that with a lesbaru |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 2:59:48 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Australia rounded people up and put them in camps during Covid. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Video at date.
Australia rounded people up and put them in camps during Covid. @MiamiJBT should do some research on gun control and disarmament of the aboriginal peoples in australia. I betcha that's an ugly history. |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:00:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What other vehicles does he have then? I can't imagine him towing that with a lesbaru I saw a screenshot of the camera showing his Subaru left behind with the door open. But that's if this screenshot was taken before he drove away in it. If he did? |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:01:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @MiamiJBT should do some research on gun control and disarmament of the aboriginal peoples in australia. I betcha that's an ugly history. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Video at date.
Australia rounded people up and put them in camps during Covid. @MiamiJBT should do some research on gun control and disarmament of the aboriginal peoples in australia. I betcha that's an ugly history. It pays to be a winner. |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:02:09 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just speculation but what are the publicly known capabilities of a CASA CN-235? Been checking ADSB exchange here and there and this aircraft C2304 seems to be flying up and down the waterways near Bath. Maybe they think he did make it out on a boat. The C-212 is great for copilots that mess up a landing and run out the back of them. |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:02:45 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What do you think is going to be different? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wonder how different our trip to Maine next year is gonna be... We've already booked the campsite just outside of Bangor. I haven't been up in that area since 1992. |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:02:49 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The C-212 is great for copilots that mess up a landing and run out the back of them. 
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:03:10 PM EDT
[#20]
Maybe someone on Rt9 / Ridge Rd, silver SUV, brown sweatshirt, beard ... this guy's day is about to get more interesting.
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:04:00 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What other vehicles does he have then? I can't imagine him towing that with a lesbaru 15 foot Bayliner doesn't weigh much. Maybe 1000 pounds. |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:04:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've never been a league bowler, but I was serious enough about it at one point that I took a class and was practicing two nights each week. To this day, I can't bowl worth a shit without a pistol on me; I discovered that a few months ago when I was on a business trip to California. I later went back to my local bowling alley and thought I was just rusty... until I remembered that back when I was taking it seriously, I was carrying a 1911. I'm a noticeably worse bowler when I'm carrying my G43 than when I'm carrying a 1911 or other full-size pistol. Apparently the changes to weight distribution (or more likely, gait) are enough to have a real impact. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So the first shot was 15 feet away from him. That is an absurdly easy pistol shot. Even beginners can hit a man sized target from the 5 yard line. I think hanging out with folks who carry and then reading sites like this makes me think everybody is carrying and ready to battle. My wife reminded me this morning that I vastly overestimate how much of the public is similar to me. Of course, had this guy been carrying, turned, and shot the guy dead, this would not even be a national news item. Stories where a bystander drops the shooter are not news. Yes, the population that a) carries a firearm b) trains with said firearm and c) has same firearm with them the majority of time in public is *maybe* 3% of all firearms owners. Let's talk about this exact scenario, a good Samaritan in a bowling alley. I can talk about this as I've been *that* guy carrying a gun in a bowling alley but if I'm there to bowl off comes the gun (put in the wife's purse, my bowling bag or left in the car's glove compartment.) If the GS type has the gun inn his wife's purse or his bowling bag, he's got a good chance and picking off the bad guy with a surprised shot but lets be honest, realistically the GM would leave the gun secured in his vehicle. In light of this I think all of us need to reevaluate when/where we're carrying if we're carrying, I'll admit to being a bit lax at times or because of inconvenience. Not every one of us is at Condition White 100% of the time, that's simply not possible. I know I’m the exception not the rule but it’s not hard to carry while doing things like that. A quality holster and belt with some thought at wardrobe selection it’s fairly easy to not be seen carrying while also not looking like Gecko45 I've never been a league bowler, but I was serious enough about it at one point that I took a class and was practicing two nights each week. To this day, I can't bowl worth a shit without a pistol on me; I discovered that a few months ago when I was on a business trip to California. I later went back to my local bowling alley and thought I was just rusty... until I remembered that back when I was taking it seriously, I was carrying a 1911. I'm a noticeably worse bowler when I'm carrying my G43 than when I'm carrying a 1911 or other full-size pistol. Apparently the changes to weight distribution (or more likely, gait) are enough to have a real impact. I don’t think my bowling would look better or worse changing anything. Im also not saying a guy has to carry a SBS in a shoulder holster. With a bit of will power though you can carry about anywhere you wish. |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:06:04 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Let's hope all these people dieing doesn't cause you any inconvenience. |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:07:59 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ... right wing milita guy goes nuts and starts shooting people and ... Goes after apparently random groups. Instead of the local government types ... Yeah, totally makes sense. That guy has a real David Hogg vibe going for himself. |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:08:13 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, the Bangor area is very different than 30 years ago. Lots of Lowell/Lawrence/Bronx drug trafficers, etc. |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:08:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maine shooting suspect Robert Card was struggling with his mental health and claimed to family he overheard people talking about him at the bowling alley and bar where he is accused of opening fire Wednesday, according to his sister-in-law. “He truly believed he was hearing people say things. This all just happened within the last few months,” Katie O’Neill, who is married to Card’s brother, told the Daily Beast Thursday. “I have known Rob my whole life. He is quiet but the most loving, hardworking, and kind person that I know. But in the past year, he had an acute episode of mental health,” she added. https://nypost.com/2023/10/26/news/maine-shooting-suspect-robert-card-may-have-targeted-places-where-he-claimed-people-insulted-him/ Quote HistoryQuoted: Maine shooting suspect Robert Card was struggling with his mental health and claimed to family he overheard people talking about him at the bowling alley and bar where he is accused of opening fire Wednesday, according to his sister-in-law. “He truly believed he was hearing people say things. This all just happened within the last few months,” Katie O’Neill, who is married to Card’s brother, told the Daily Beast Thursday. “I have known Rob my whole life. He is quiet but the most loving, hardworking, and kind person that I know. But in the past year, he had an acute episode of mental health,” she added. https://nypost.com/2023/10/26/news/maine-shooting-suspect-robert-card-may-have-targeted-places-where-he-claimed-people-insulted-him/ I just read that on Yahoo. Folks here are missing how big this is. https://www.yahoo.com/news/family-reveals-suspected-gunman-maine-152129656.html The family of Robert Card—who is suspected of killing 18 people in double mass shootings in Maine on Wednesday night—say the Army reservist had previously claimed he was hearing voices at the two locations he allegedly attacked. In the aftermath of the carnage, Katie Card, who is married to Card’s brother, told The Daily Beast that their family has been messaging her brother-in-law and urging him to surrender to authorities. “I have known Rob my whole life,” Card said on Thursday. “He is quiet but the most loving, hardworking, and kind person that I know. But in the past year, he had an acute episode of mental health, and it’s been a struggle.” She said that Robert Card recently began wearing powerful hearing aids to combat hearing loss. Since then, Card said her brother-in-law has been insisting to his family that he can hear people bashing him—including at Just-In-Time Recreation bowling alley and Schemengees Bar and Grill, where he’s accused of gunning down 18 people on Wednesday night. “He truly believed he was hearing people say things,” she added. “This all just happened within the last few months.” |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:08:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It has been established that it was legal to carry in the bowling alley. Maine state statute? |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:09:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe someone on Rt9 / Ridge Rd, silver SUV, brown sweatshirt, beard ... this guy's day is about to get more interesting. His escape plan has been pretty effective thus far. |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:09:36 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ... right wing milita guy goes nuts and starts shooting people and ... Goes after apparently random groups instead of the local government types. Yeah, totally makes sense .  - Revealing Regardless …. - |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:09:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That guy has a real David Hogg vibe going for himself. |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:12:55 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Australia rounded people up and put them in camps during Covid. That a democrat dream. FDR and Hitler set the example. |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:13:19 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My first impression was that he had some French Canadian blood. Quite a bit French Canadian blood all the way down to N. CT., and his look is quite similar (I grew up in N. CT.). Being one my self, you are correct |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:17:06 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What other vehicles does he have then? I can't imagine him towing that with a lesbaru Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Card's boat, a 15-ft Bayliner is also missing, according to reports. Marine records seen by DailyMail.com show that Card registered a 2019 Sea Doo jet ski in his name in June, sparking fears that he could have used the watercraft to flee investigators after opening fire. What other vehicles does he have then? I can't imagine him towing that with a lesbaru You'd be surprised. I've towed a full 5x8 U-Haul trailer across the country twice with Outbacks including through northern Arizona on one trip and Idaho/Yellowstone on the other (not the same car) |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:17:08 PM EDT
[#34]
Maine is among the very best states there is to be on the run like that.
Might be an exhausting hunt if he isn't found soon. Can't think of a single place that would be better. A large state that is extremely isolated and low populated in most of it outside of the few cities near the bottom, near an international border ( also low populated and rural on the other side ) , near the ocean, has a lot of back trails and rivers throughout the state, and is the densest most forested state out of the entire 50. On top of that southern Maine is only six hours from NYC, and two from Boston if he wanted to try and blend in the cities instead of the woods he wouldn't need to drive as far as other places. The only downside is the cold. |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:17:47 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My first impression was that he had some French Canadian blood. Quite a bit French Canadian blood all the way down to N. CT., and his look is quite similar (I grew up in N. CT.). That's very plausible |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:18:22 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maine state statute? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It has been established that it was legal to carry in the bowling alley. Maine state statute? Others in the thread have said so. I didn't verify it I don't live there. But I would not think a bowling alley would normally be off limits to carry. Yes they serve alcohol but the whole place isn't generally considered a bar. Kids and families go there. They haven't been off limits anywhere I've lived. |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:18:32 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryThe family of Robert Card—who is suspected of killing 18 people in double mass shootings in Maine on Wednesday night—say the Army reservist had previously claimed he was hearing voices at the two locations he allegedly attacked. In the aftermath of the carnage, Katie Card, who is married to Card’s brother, told The Daily Beast that their family has been messaging her brother-in-law and urging him to surrender to authorities. “I have known Rob my whole life,” Card said on Thursday. “He is quiet but the most loving, hardworking, and kind person that I know. But in the past year, he had an acute episode of mental health, and it’s been a struggle.” She said that Robert Card recently began wearing powerful hearing aids to combat hearing loss. Since then, Card said her brother-in-law has been insisting to his family that he can hear people bashing him—including at Just-In-Time Recreation bowling alley and Schemengees Bar and Grill, where he’s accused of gunning down 18 people on Wednesday night. “He truly believed he was hearing people say things,” she added. “This all just happened within the last few months.” Some of those new hearing aids use 5G and also Deep Neural Network technology ....... 
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:20:10 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just read that on Yahoo. Folks here are missing how big this is. https://www.yahoo.com/news/family-reveals-suspected-gunman-maine-152129656.html Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Maine shooting suspect Robert Card was struggling with his mental health and claimed to family he overheard people talking about him at the bowling alley and bar where he is accused of opening fire Wednesday, according to his sister-in-law. “He truly believed he was hearing people say things. This all just happened within the last few months,” Katie O’Neill, who is married to Card’s brother, told the Daily Beast Thursday. “I have known Rob my whole life. He is quiet but the most loving, hardworking, and kind person that I know. But in the past year, he had an acute episode of mental health,” she added. https://nypost.com/2023/10/26/news/maine-shooting-suspect-robert-card-may-have-targeted-places-where-he-claimed-people-insulted-him/ I just read that on Yahoo. Folks here are missing how big this is. https://www.yahoo.com/news/family-reveals-suspected-gunman-maine-152129656.html The family of Robert Card—who is suspected of killing 18 people in double mass shootings in Maine on Wednesday night—say the Army reservist had previously claimed he was hearing voices at the two locations he allegedly attacked. In the aftermath of the carnage, Katie Card, who is married to Card’s brother, told The Daily Beast that their family has been messaging her brother-in-law and urging him to surrender to authorities. “I have known Rob my whole life,” Card said on Thursday. “He is quiet but the most loving, hardworking, and kind person that I know. But in the past year, he had an acute episode of mental health, and it’s been a struggle.” She said that Robert Card recently began wearing powerful hearing aids to combat hearing loss. Since then, Card said her brother-in-law has been insisting to his family that he can hear people bashing him—including at Just-In-Time Recreation bowling alley and Schemengees Bar and Grill, where he’s accused of gunning down 18 people on Wednesday night. “He truly believed he was hearing people say things,” she added. “This all just happened within the last few months.” Wonder what his user name was on Reddit’s gang stalking sub? |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:22:10 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully he's not a fan of Garand thumb |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:22:42 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Others in the thread have said so. I didn't verify it I don't live there. But I would not think a bowling alley would normally be off limits to carry. Yes they serve alcohol but the whole place isn't generally considered a bar. Kids and families go there. They haven't been off limits anywhere I've lived. Unless it was posted on the door. Google street view doesn't show the door, and the locals haven't told us what's on it, that I've seen. |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:24:26 PM EDT
[#41]
Deer season starts Saturday so there’s going to be a lot more people in the woods
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:25:48 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Others in the thread have said so. I didn't verify it I don't live there. But I would not think a bowling alley would normally be off limits to carry. Yes they serve alcohol but the whole place isn't generally considered a bar. Kids and families go there. They haven't been off limits anywhere I've lived. |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:25:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Deer season starts Saturday so there’s going to be a lot more people in the woods Otherwise known as Walking Weapons Cache's for our shooter. |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:26:57 PM EDT
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Just heard a call go out on the scanner. Dispatcher sent a cop to go check out a barn. The woman that lives at the residence thinks she might have left her barn unlocked and is worried that the active shooting suspect is hiding in there but isn’t going to go check. Wants the cops to come to her house and see if the barn is locked.
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:27:30 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Deer season starts Saturday so there’s going to be a lot more people in the woods I have been wondering how they will handle that...I wouldn't be surprised if they delayed start of season even if only certain zones. |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:30:00 PM EDT
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How long do these 'psychic breaks' last, did Dude wake up this morning, somewhat more sane, and know what he had done?
(Not quite sure I buy the schizo stuff yet, way too early, no matter what anecdotal evidence friends and family provide). |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:30:48 PM EDT
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Channel 7 Boston helicopter looking like it's beelining to the property on W Rd that the NHSP helicopter was circling around earlier today.
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:31:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Deer season starts Saturday so there’s going to be a lot more people in the woods Shades of Dan Cooper. |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:33:36 PM EDT
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Reminds me of Charles Whitman, his brain tumor had something like this effect on him.
But, he could still plan, and carry out the plan. He was not dysfunctional, this guy sounds the same. |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 3:34:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How long do these 'psychic breaks' last, did Dude wake up this morning, somewhat more sane, and know what he had done? (Not quite sure I buy the schizo stuff yet, way too early, no matter what anecdotal evidence friends and family provide). Going by what the family is saying, it sounds like he got hearing aids and started hearing people around him talking shit about him and he got pissy and decided to start killing people. He heard voices because he was able to hear more than he could before. Looking at the initial pics. He’s wearing combat boots and I’m thinking coveralls. Prob got camo on underneath and he already had his e&e planned out. |
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