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Posted: 7/2/2020 12:45:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If that's the case it sounds like the post knock up is here real self and her "old self" was a facade to lock you in financially. That's how this works. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It was within 2 weeks of being knocked up, she became a different person. Like a light switch was flipped. Never did go back to her old self. Her thyroid did come back as abnormal about a year ago. If that's the case it sounds like the post knock up is here real self and her "old self" was a facade to lock you in financially. That's how this works. quite possibly. My ex had Borderline Personality Disorder, they are notorious for that. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 12:45:56 PM EST
[#2]
You're wife's been pregnant for three years?
No wonder she's cranky. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 12:46:30 PM EST
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Maybe she has a nutrient deficiency. Raising a kid is hard work and it messes some women up. I would try doing more research about looking into why a woman would change in this way after child birth. Your child may end up blaming you for the divorce and it will cause a lot of problems. Id spend some time researching, figuring out if there are other options before going the divorce route. Divorce is going to cost you a ton of money and a lot when it comes to your relationship with your child. Also it could also be that she's working a job and raising a kid. I don't personally have my wife work and she is much happier at home, but I guess i'm old fashioned.
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Posted: 7/2/2020 12:46:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Try and do it amicable just split everything down the middle one attorney. Given what he's said about the wife, I'm not seeing that in the cards |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 12:47:43 PM EST
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Read the original post, skipped most of the replies.
Marriage counseling isn't going to be the end-all-be-all of fixing the problem IF the problem is hormonal and related to the pregnancy. Post-partum depression is a real thing, sometimes it's mental, sometimes it's physical, sometimes it's both. Only you can decide how far you are willing to go, but I would start with seeing about some medication for her, if she is willing. Then you need to find out what motivates her, through more counseling, again, IF you are willing to keep going. Been married 20+ years and have had this happen twice in my own relationship. It's not easy. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 12:48:46 PM EST
[#6]
@linuxgnar
OP, Stop looking at this process (divorce and journey to a happy life) as a financial move. It involves money of course, but the main focus should be your happiness, and that of your children. Get out. Quickly. Screw the money. You can make more. You cannot gain back the time wasted with that miserable woman. Get out as fast as you can. CMOS |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 12:49:10 PM EST
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Quoted: The doctor said it was perhaps hormonal, and I did my best to put up with it during pregnancy, breast feeding, and here I am with a 2 year old kid and she's still awful.  She just gets fatter and fatter and the more she does the more she hates herself and takes it out on me. I think I'm about done putting up with this. I tried and tried to hold this shitshow together for the sake of my child, but its become more apparent to me that is not a good enough reason to be miserable. I recently learned shes been completely full of shit about all our life goals we planned together (such as our plans to move to an extremely rural location and raise the kid properly). Its pretty clear to me its unlikely she is going to change. Months of marriage counseling accomplished nothing. I still rarely get laid and shes turned into a fucking slob. I'm trying to figure out how to proceed. We have a house that I originally purchased before we were married, but have since refinanced under both our names after marriage. Purchase was 300k, owe only 200k on it now with about a dozen years left to go on a 15 year mortgage. The issue is the house may be worth 400k now, which means I may be stuck buying her out if we divorce if I want to keep it (which would be a sizable chunk of cash). I technically have saved up 100k in pure cash the last few years, so in theory I could buy her out without having to cash out refinance, but it would destroy years of meticulous savings and frugality and I'd lose my safety cushion. I know this is THE forum for this kinda shit, so please enlighten me as to some possible paths forward here. Sell the house and start new? (would hate it, really improved the place since I bought it). Buy her out as is? Cash out refinance to buy her out? I'd almost have to go back up to a 20 or 30 year once I'm the only one paying the mortgage, so its really setting me back decades any way I look at it. Number one priority is being part of my child's life, so my original plans of moving my family to the mountains are shit, since I'll need to stay in the suburbs to keep seeing my child. This is all assuming she won't try and destroy my retirement, I don't think so, but anything is possible. We make the exact same amount of money, so at least alimony is unlikely and it mitigates the child support costs if I can get joint custody. Hopefully. Any advice is appreciated. 1) How much is she contributing to the household bills? Please tell me you didn't let her quit her job to "take care of your kid instead of paying for a babysitter." That's the stupidest thing imagainable. Most manipulative women will use that excuse to not work. Plus it lays the groundwork for them leaving you and not providing money/support. Meaning that she's contributing NOTHING to your communal retirement. Meaning---she leaves you, gets child support (which she'll spend on herself), spousal support/alimoney (she's not working), she'll get 50% of the house---OR you'll probably be sappy enough to let her keep the house to raise your kid. So, You'll end up paying her support, plus child support, plus 50% of everything in your marriage. I'm betting she doesn't have a retirement/IRA, etc, does she? She'll get 50% of everything that you meticulously saved...and you'll get shit. Cash your shit out, spend it on stuff; whatever. 2) You really need to talk to a lawyer; immediately. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 12:50:10 PM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Eject and do it quickly. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 12:50:16 PM EST
[#9]
Do you not want to have the child with you?
Serious question, not being facetious. Work constraints, other reasons? You have every right to have them as she does. I think one of the things men need to realize is that they don’t have to automatically assume the kid has to go with mom. Yes it’s a bit trickier for the man to get custody but this day and age it’s a lot easier. I only say this because I’ve lived a life of having a child used as a weapon against me, and realize as I’ve aged, even at 16 I shouldn’t have assumed it should automatically go that way. I would have done a much better job of raising him. Might have been difficult at times, but even having a child in a relationship is tough. Just something to think about. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 12:50:55 PM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That may be true, but would you rather be fucked and miserable living with her or fucked and free? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's cute you think you have $100k to play/purchase with during/after a divorce. Right here is the sad truth I needed to hear. I'm fucked no matter what I do. That may be true, but would you rather be fucked and miserable living with her or fucked and free? This is the real question |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 12:51:18 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like post-partum depression that is still ongoing. Self-loathing in clinical depression can manifest as rage towards family This. This. This. She probably thought the kid would pop out and life would be normal again but with one additional human, that didn't happen and she doesn't know how to cope. That being said, you could try another councilor, but if she doesn't recognize that her behavior is a problem or if she isn't willing to make a change, there's not much else you can do for her; just work on yourself and your little one. One of my good friends put up with it for almost 5 years and both he and his wife came out okay but it all hinged on her ability and willingness to make an effort. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 12:52:09 PM EST
[#12]
Op i was in same boat trust me i had the chance to get out after the first kid and didnt listen to my lawyer 2 kids in I got out and have never neen happier. This was after marriage counseling, fighting for the marriage, and doing the right thing. Go talk to multiple lawyers pick one you like and eject yesterday
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Posted: 7/2/2020 12:52:38 PM EST
[#13]
If she gets custody she'll do everything in her power to make your kid hate you. I'm not saying you shouldn't at least try, but you should expect that and have a plan for it. And I can almost assure you that if she's as well off financially as you are, isn't in trouble with the law and hasn't been declared mentally ill (and often even when they have been) she's going to be awarded custody. Also, you'll have to live near them to see the kid, yet she can ask the court for permission to move and if granted you'll either be far away or you'll have to move too. I've seen that happen more than once. You're going to get nailed with child support, she'll lose weight and get a live in boyfriend who your kid will call "Dad" and they won't get married as long as you're paying them not to. Of course if you're in an alimony state and she accidentally loses her job, don't be shocked if you're doubly screwed.
You've tried counseling and it's failed. Will she even consider mental health counseling? |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 12:53:14 PM EST
[#14]
My son turns two next week. I moved out temporarily. Gf started drinking heavily after the baby. She’s getting help at least right now.
But god damn It’s a pain in the ass. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 12:53:52 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If that's the case it sounds like the post knock up is here real self and her "old self" was a facade to lock you in financially. That's how this works. If it isn't this, there might be some serious hormonal stuff going on. I was really close to divorcing my wife right after our second child was born because her postpartum depression was so bad. She refused to see anyone about it, and it was horrible. Suddenly she flipped 180 one day, and became her old self. It took about 2 years though. Could be something to look into. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 12:53:54 PM EST
[#16]
OP here.
Just want to say I appreciate all the ideas and advice gentlemen. I have been buying guns and shit like crazy the last 6 months, seeing as I think they might be protected under my prenup (lawyer thinks even post-marriage firearms would be covered). So there is that. Are post nuptual agreements iron clad? There's a piece of property for sale for $200k I want to buy, and this may have started the final straw. She made it clear she didn't want the rural life, and I more or less gave up on the marriage (this was a week ago). A few days ago she came back to me saying she wants to save the marriage and to prove it she is willing to sign a post-nuptual agreement and letting me pour my money into this property instead and it will be 100% mine only. It may be a way to put my savings somewhere safely, but I'm not sure how safe something like this would really be. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 12:54:57 PM EST
[#17]
OP is about to get assraped in family court.
Hide that 100k in cash or whatever can’t be traced back to you or she will get at least half. Then go your own way. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 12:57:05 PM EST
[#18]
Just get out.. Talk to the best attorney you can find and slam dunk her ass in court. Thats the only way you walk away without hemorrhaging your savings.
Either way .. Pepper your angus. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:00:44 PM EST
[#19]
Quoted: The doctor said it was perhaps hormonal, and I did my best to put up with it during pregnancy, breast feeding, and here I am with a 2 year old kid and she's still awful. Having kids ruins relationships. They've done a lot of studies, and once you have kids, your marriage will be the unhappiest it's ever been, and it won't get better until after the kids leave. Kids just make everything tougher, and amplify existing problems. They also make it so you HAVE to work together more, and if there are problems, that will amplify them, too. You might want to see if she'll get help and/or medication. If not.... well, sadly, you're in a really tough spot.
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:06:46 PM EST
[#20]
I know nothing about this attorney other than the listed video, you might consider talking to her office for associated attorneys in your area.
Marilyn York owns a Men’s Rights Family Law Firm in Reno Nevada https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlSwsE22nX0 |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:07:36 PM EST
[#21]
Why do people get married in this day and age?
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:08:20 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Its interesting you said this. This did come up about a year ago as out of whack. She's on meds now. I'm not sure its helped though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Get her thyroid tested. An out of whack thyroid can make people mean. Seriously. Ask her to get it tested. What can it hurt? Its interesting you said this. This did come up about a year ago as out of whack. She's on meds now. I'm not sure its helped though. Sometimes, the newer meds don’t work. My mother had to get on an older med called Armour after Synthroid essentially wrecked her. Change of meds, and *poof* different person. She can only get it through a compounding pharmacy, and her doc was really reluctant to prescribe it, but it worked. Either way, best of luck. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:08:44 PM EST
[#23]
Lawyer.
Stop reading, and go get a good one. You've invested enough here. There's a very good chance she hasn't changed but has just revealed her true self. Hit the reset button and do your best for your child, which is not to be raised in a miserable loveless household. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:09:41 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did it just get left at "its a possible hormonal issue?" Had the hormone levels tested by OB? Is this depression? Thyroid checked? Seen a "good" psychiatrist? How was she before the pregnancy - if the changes were purely post pregnancy, I'd want a good workup, sometimes these things can be remedied. She has got to be willing to participate though. The symptoms of hypo-thryroidism strongly overlap depression. If she is willing, get her to an endocrinologist and a shrink. This could also be an extension of post-partum depression. I wish you much luck. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:12:05 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thats a rough sentiment I worry what that says about our society. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lawyer will advise you best. See one. Good luck. Don't be one of these guys who "sticks to his vows" and ends up being worn down to a little nub, a hollow husk of a man, all the while your wife is demonstrating behavior to your child that they will grow up thinking is acceptable. You may have married the wrong woman - obviously - and sorry your kid will get stuck in the middle. You want them to grow up in a household where both people are miserable and dysfunctional. Leave her, fight to retain stability in your life, show your kid that you can come back from a bad situation and find happiness in your life. Thats a rough sentiment I worry what that says about our society. You left out the rest: and ends up being worn down to a little nub, a hollow husk of a man, all the while your wife is demonstrating behavior to your child that they will grow up thinking is acceptable. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:12:11 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The symptoms of hypo-thryroidism strongly overlap depression. If she is willing, get her to an endocrinologist and a shrink. This could also be an extension of post-partum depression. I wish you much luck. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Did it just get left at "its a possible hormonal issue?" Had the hormone levels tested by OB? Is this depression? Thyroid checked? Seen a "good" psychiatrist? How was she before the pregnancy - if the changes were purely post pregnancy, I'd want a good workup, sometimes these things can be remedied. She has got to be willing to participate though. The symptoms of hypo-thryroidism strongly overlap depression. If she is willing, get her to an endocrinologist and a shrink. This could also be an extension of post-partum depression. I wish you much luck. That would be much cheaper and faster than a divorce is you're willing to try it. I think you're past the scope of marriage counseling If she values the marriage as she said last week, I'd say this would be on my list of things I insisted on |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:13:41 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You left out the rest: and ends up being worn down to a little nub, a hollow husk of a man, all the while your wife is demonstrating behavior to your child that they will grow up thinking is acceptable. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lawyer will advise you best. See one. Good luck. Don't be one of these guys who "sticks to his vows" and ends up being worn down to a little nub, a hollow husk of a man, all the while your wife is demonstrating behavior to your child that they will grow up thinking is acceptable. You may have married the wrong woman - obviously - and sorry your kid will get stuck in the middle. You want them to grow up in a household where both people are miserable and dysfunctional. Leave her, fight to retain stability in your life, show your kid that you can come back from a bad situation and find happiness in your life. Thats a rough sentiment I worry what that says about our society. You left out the rest: and ends up being worn down to a little nub, a hollow husk of a man, all the while your wife is demonstrating behavior to your child that they will grow up thinking is acceptable. Meh its about what you put value on. I know plenty of divorced guys who are depressed, functional train wrecks, and barley get to see their kids with hollowed our savings accounts. they won't be posting. His future happiness is theoretical, the vows are factual. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:14:37 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: has she been to a doc to get her hormones checked? Sounds like post-partum depression that is still ongoing. Self-loathing in clinical depression can manifest as rage towards family. ETA: if she had thyroid issues, sounds like she needs to go back and get a lot of tests run. Our personalities are at the mercy of our hormones, to a certain degree. All of this. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:16:19 PM EST
[#29]
Pre-pay your lawyer $100,000 and ask for a refund at the end.
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:18:56 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OP here. Just want to say I appreciate all the ideas and advice gentlemen. I have been buying guns and shit like crazy the last 6 months, seeing as I think they might be protected under my prenup (lawyer thinks even post-marriage firearms would be covered). So there is that. Are post nuptual agreements iron clad? There's a piece of property for sale for $200k I want to buy, and this may have started the final straw. She made it clear she didn't want the rural life, and I more or less gave up on the marriage (this was a week ago). A few days ago she came back to me saying she wants to save the marriage and to prove it she is willing to sign a post-nuptual agreement and letting me pour my money into this property instead and it will be 100% mine only. It may be a way to put my savings somewhere safely, but I'm not sure how safe something like this would really be. If you buy the property Of course only you are on the deed, sole and seperate. Using community money will need to be worked out. Lawyer up. Or just get divorced then buy something. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:21:26 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Does she have Asperger's? |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:22:27 PM EST
[#32]
How does she treat the kid?
Been hearing a lot about narcissistic moms lately, and miserable/absent dads are a common reoccurrence. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:25:03 PM EST
[#33]
Quoted: The doctor said it was perhaps hormonal, and I did my best to put up with it during pregnancy, breast feeding, and here I am with a 2 year old kid and she's still awful. She just gets fatter and fatter and the more she does the more she hates herself and takes it out on me. I think I'm about done putting up with this. I tried and tried to hold this shitshow together for the sake of my child, but its become more apparent to me that is not a good enough reason to be miserable. I recently learned shes been completely full of shit about all our life goals we planned together (such as our plans to move to an extremely rural location and raise the kid properly). Its pretty clear to me its unlikely she is going to change. Months of marriage counseling accomplished nothing. I still rarely get laid and shes turned into a fucking slob. I'm trying to figure out how to proceed. We have a house that I originally purchased before we were married, but have since refinanced under both our names after marriage. Purchase was 300k, owe only 200k on it now with about a dozen years left to go on a 15 year mortgage. The issue is the house may be worth 400k now, which means I may be stuck buying her out if we divorce if I want to keep it (which would be a sizable chunk of cash). I technically have saved up 100k in pure cash the last few years, so in theory I could buy her out without having to cash out refinance, but it would destroy years of meticulous savings and frugality and I'd lose my safety cushion. I know this is THE forum for this kinda shit, so please enlighten me as to some possible paths forward here. Sell the house and start new? (would hate it, really improved the place since I bought it). Buy her out as is? Cash out refinance to buy her out? I'd almost have to go back up to a 20 or 30 year once I'm the only one paying the mortgage, so its really setting me back decades any way I look at it. Number one priority is being part of my child's life, so my original plans of moving my family to the mountains are shit, since I'll need to stay in the suburbs to keep seeing my child. This is all assuming she won't try and destroy my retirement, I don't think so, but anything is possible. We make the exact same amount of money, so at least alimony is unlikely and it mitigates the child support costs if I can get joint custody. Hopefully. Any advice is appreciated. Gained Weight, Depression, Life Goals Changed Became bitter and combative Always blame shifted I could go on... Not saying I was perfect, but I did everything I could to save it and make it work. If you have that 100K in Cash, Create an account in JUST your name and Move it now. Move any guns off site, so she can't try and get part of them, or fake fear to red flag you and get them taken, it does happen. Contact and retain a Divorce lawyer, the sooner the better. Find out your vulnerabilities, work out a plan with your lawyer and serve her 1st. Also, don't be afraid to get a second opinion... Document everything, bite your tongue and take the high road on any arguments from here on on, try to keep the discussions away from the kids. No matter what she says to them about you, don't play that game. Also be prepared for Child support. She'll likely want it no matter what she makes. I wish you the best. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:26:53 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A few days ago she came back to me saying she wants to save the marriage and to prove it she is willing to sign a post-nuptual agreement and letting me pour my money into this property instead and it will be 100% mine only. It may be a way to put my savings somewhere safely, but I'm not sure how safe something like this would really be. If she really wants to save the marriage, tell her kindly that that starts with her getting her thyroid and hormones checked out by docs who specialize in that. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:26:55 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Right here is the sad truth I needed to hear. I'm fucked no matter what I do. The sooner you get started rebuilding your life the sooner you'll recover. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:33:45 PM EST
[#36]
NO pre or post nup is iron clad. Judges break them all the time
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:35:32 PM EST
[#37]
Nobody suggested "have another kid" yet? Slacking.
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:36:27 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody suggested "have another kid" yet? Slacking. The funny part is we both want another kid, but I WILL NOT have another child with her the way she is now. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:37:11 PM EST
[#39]
You can be miserable and a physical prisoner, or you can be a financial prisoner and be free.
That's the only two choices. You're gonna get financially raped for something you most likely had nothing to do with, and you will be paying child support and seeing the kids at her convenience regardless of what your decree states. For instance, my ex just recently got married on Father's Day, which I am supposed to have with my boys per the decree. I could have been the dick head and forced the issue and caused drama which would have inevitably involved my boys, but I didn't. My ex also pushes them to do every extracurricular activity available to them, which also cuts into dad time. I gave up half of my 401k, had to cash out and pay all the penalties on IRAs so she could have the cash, and pay $1k/month in child support because she had alot of fun at a "Girls Vegas Weekend". My boys love hanging out, and do every chance they get. We hunt, fish, camp, hike, go on trips, etc when they have time. I wish I could see them more, and they see things for the way they are as in their mother pushing them to do everything she wants them to do sports, 4H, watching her friend's kids for money, etc. I have voiced my displeasure, and they see it, but they have to live with her wrath 90 percent of the time if they buck the trend, as opposed to hearing me complaining that I wished I saw them more while driving to the hills. Guess which one is the path of least resistance. Dad lives matter. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:40:01 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Has she had any exam or treatment for postpartum depression? I've seen this wreck a couple of marriages. It's ugly, and powerful. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:40:22 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Get her thyroid tested. An out of whack thyroid can make people mean. Seriously. Ask her to get it tested. What can it hurt? My mom's last pregnancy resulted in her thyroid losing function. Started gaining weight and having other issues that got bad enough that she got sent to the doctor while at work (she's an RNP), and they found out about the low thyroid function. Got much better once they put her on meds for that. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:40:47 PM EST
[#42]
She is going to go after everything she can once she talks to a lawyer. Use the 100 k cash to pay down the house, then insist its sold and split 50 50. That way if she decides she want to keep the house she has to buy you out, using cash she does not have.
Heck it might make sense to even out the 401k by using it to pay down the house. The house is a loss, you will be buying her out or she will buy you out or it gets sold. You can buy another house, dont let a house bring you to ruin trying to keep it. either way she gets half of it and half the cash. As for your kid, I am sorry. A |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:41:22 PM EST
[#43]
my only comment. and i rarely peruse or comment on threads like this is...
why would someone post questions on a gun forum about how to deal with a personal, family matter.... i get asking for prayer or similar, but how to deal with a wife that is turning into jobba-the-hutt? |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:41:59 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dad lives matter. Not according to the Government. I hope to never get married. I appreciate these threads as reminders. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:42:33 PM EST
[#45]
Just spit balling here...but what if the kid isn't OP's and it's guilt that's turned her into a miserable b*tch?
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:42:54 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 5 years married. I did get her to sign a prenup removing all ownership claims to anything gun related both prior and during the marriage, the lawyer I've talked to says it looks like it should hold up. We have similar retirement savings, although I probably have 25% more than her, so I guess I'll eat that shit too. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:43:08 PM EST
[#47]
eject
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:43:20 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I get that marriage is a two way street. But I'm not really interested being in a 'roommate' situation with my wife. In the past year I've quit a 25 year tobacco habit, and worked every day to improve lines of communication. It was the one thing that marriage counseling kept coming back on, but at the end of the day shes not very receptive to it. I'm almost 40, in good shape, and not a slob. And I still treat my wife with respect even though I rarely get it in return. I'm turning into a beta by just continuing this farce because who else would put up with such shit. But yeah I'm an asshole too, who isn't. But I'm a respectful asshole. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You said a lot about her. What do you have to say about yourself? This. Time to look in the mirror. I get that marriage is a two way street. But I'm not really interested being in a 'roommate' situation with my wife. In the past year I've quit a 25 year tobacco habit, and worked every day to improve lines of communication. It was the one thing that marriage counseling kept coming back on, but at the end of the day shes not very receptive to it. I'm almost 40, in good shape, and not a slob. And I still treat my wife with respect even though I rarely get it in return. I'm turning into a beta by just continuing this farce because who else would put up with such shit. But yeah I'm an asshole too, who isn't. But I'm a respectful asshole. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:46:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Take the cash and disappear Going out for milk is the only option. They've forced this hand; not us. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:47:55 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Too late for you, OP but once again I will post this for the onlookers who are considering it. And if what you say is true, eject. Women and the thing called marriage are not what they used to be and will destroy a good man.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMUJ2_Zc0UQThis. Guy. Gets it. If you didn't watch this go back and do it. |
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