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Quoted: 30 Miles and he would have been spiked and dragged out at gunpoint. This story makes no sense. View Quote My son said the Durango had been following him for 30 miles and then pulled him over after he accelerated and passed 2 trucks. Once he saw the lights he called 911 and verified it was a real cop and pulled over. This is all in the original post. |
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Quoted: A problem that is easily solved if police departments are actually interested in avoiding escalating situations into violence where violence isn't called for. Simply don't pull people over in unmarked cars. Don't use unmarked cars to patrol the highway. Don't put people into the position of having to guess if the person trying to pull them over is a cop or a carjacker. The impetus is on the police to not create this situation in the first place. View Quote Can you see the side or ghost markings when the vehicle stopping you is behind you? GD fantasizes about the fake cop car jackers. And the OP's kid was in a known thug area with fake cops, right? |
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Quoted: With flashers on to notify the police what you're doing, right? View Quote Or, if you forget the flashers, the person at the other end of the official police telephone number has the means to alert and communicate to the officer, that they made contact with dispatch to confirm, which should allay most of the responding officers concerns about "fleeing and eluding" that some other preposterous posters have expressed their "concern", especially since this did not devolve into a high speed chase, just someone calling the officials to confirm, since that is what regional law enforcement agencies in MT & WY have recommended due to falsely marked cars making traffic stops in the region. |
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I remembered 30 miles while they verified. You are correct, my apologies.
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$150 for a speeding is dirt cheap. That would not cover the court cost in Alabama
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Quoted: yeah, the side where they were let go because they committed no crime i suppose they just super duper hid the drugs well View Quote But, I can see he was on the side of the road for 3 hours and I can see he is now in Big Sky and not detained. If his story is off, it's not that off. |
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Quoted: Cops drive unmarked cars, teaching your kid to not pull over for them is a great way to have her get felony stopped with a bunch of nervous trigger fingers in her face. About 10 years ago, some snowflake 17 year old girl didn't think she had to obey the cop that had her pulled over and when she tried to roll away with the cop in front of her she got shot and died. Being scared is not an antidote to the realities that other people in the world deal with. Emergency lights mean "pull over as soon as it is safely practicable", not "pull over only if you feel safe". View Quote Plenty of cop impersonations that happen these days. Out in bum fuck backwoods nowhere it's perfectly acceptable to call and verify an unmarked car is legit. Any cop that has a problem with that is a perpetual narcissistic jackass that shouldn't be a cop. It won't hurt to take 90 seconds to verify. Put your hazards on, reduce speed to 10 under the speed limit. Then pull over once verified. Not a big deal. And cops, running a regular street patrol should not be allowed to pull people over in an armored vehicle for traffic violations. |
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Quoted: Or, if you forget the flashers, the person at the other end of the official police telephone number has the means to alert and communicate to the officer, that they made contact with dispatch to confirm, which should allay most of the responding officers concerns about "fleeing and eluding" that some other preposterous posters have expressed their "concern", especially since this did not devolve into a high speed chase, just someone calling the officials to confirm, since that is what regional law enforcement agencies in MT & WY have recommended due to falsely marked cars making traffic stops in the region. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: With flashers on to notify the police what you're doing, right? Or, if you forget the flashers, the person at the other end of the official police telephone number has the means to alert and communicate to the officer, that they made contact with dispatch to confirm, which should allay most of the responding officers concerns about "fleeing and eluding" that some other preposterous posters have expressed their "concern", especially since this did not devolve into a high speed chase, just someone calling the officials to confirm, since that is what regional law enforcement agencies in MT & WY have recommended due to falsely marked cars making traffic stops in the region. So, were the cops aholes, or is there more to the story? |
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Quoted: Quoted: He didn't refuse. He verified, then complied. He doesn’t have a right to verify. Yes, actually, he does. Further, verifying the following vehicle is, in fact, a police vehicle and then pulling over immediately is compliance. |
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Quoted: He didn't run after getting lit up for 30 miles. My son said the Durango had been following him for 30 miles and then pulled him over after he accelerated and passed 2 trucks. Once he saw the lights he called 911 and verified it was a real cop and pulled over. This is all in the original post. View Quote Yep, I didn't remember his first post right, I based that off another post that made me think that was the case. It has been retracted. |
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Not pulling over for an unmarked car until verifying that they are legit is a thing. It's a thing that might piss the cop off but there is nothing wrong with it.
Anybody remember they lady who did this and the cop pitted her? Does anyone know how that turned out? |
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Quoted: You said a local cop followed him for 30 miles?, all the way outside of his possible jurisdiction? state cops dont even do that, they pull you over waaaay sooner if they are suspect of anything. View Quote It can happen here with the sheriff, even if he is just going the same direction as you. |
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Quoted: You're in Washington? Surely you can see for yourself what drug freedom looks like. It's a major factor in this state turning into a first class shithole. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Quoted: I’m not Pissed at anything. The kid fucked up and hopefully learned a lesson. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Commanded by someone in an unmarked car whose identity he could not immediately ascertain. You're pissed because he didn't just risk it and pull over for the random unmarked car? Maybe if cops want people to immediately pull over they should drive actual fucking cop cars. Cop was inconvenienced. And for a reason that was of his own making. Kid did the prudent thing and checked to see if it was actually a cop. I’m not Pissed at anything. The kid fucked up and hopefully learned a lesson. No, the *COP* fucked up. He'll learn a lesson if a lawyer gets involved and he gets unemployed at a minimum. |
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Quoted: Or, if you forget the flashers, the person at the other end of the official police telephone number has the means to alert and communicate to the officer, that they made contact with dispatch to confirm, which should allay most of the responding officers concerns about "fleeing and eluding" that some other preposterous posters have expressed their "concern", especially since this did not devolve into a high speed chase, just someone calling the officials to confirm, since that is what regional law enforcement agencies in MT & WY have recommended due to falsely marked cars making traffic stops in the region. View Quote I get it that the officer was pissed that my kid didn't immediately pull over, but I believe the officer could've easily verified that the call took place. He also could have confirmed that they were on their way to work for the summer and not just running the highway as drug mules. The initial stop and speeding ticket are justified, I don't have an issue with that. Tossing the car and the 3 hour detention were not justified in my opinion. |
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He's lucky they didn't rip apart the seats or dash. What a joke.
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Here's a reference for the police telling you to call 911 to verify.
https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/utah-woman-says-fake-cop-followed-her-on-i-15-tried-to-pull-her-over You've got your shit wrong Dave. |
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Quoted: Yes, actually, he does. Further, verifying the following vehicle is, in fact, a police vehicle and then pulling over immediately is compliance. View Quote You think there is one central police dispatch center for an entire region? Multiple agencies exist and they don't all share the same dispatcher. Crossover does occur, but it sure isn't realistic to think a 911 call will first even connect you to the same center and that the center contacted is the one that has the agency trying to stop you. Can you show us the law that you don't have to yield to an emergency vehicle displaying red/blue flashing lights and a siren until you call 911 and verify it is an emergency vehicle behind you? |
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Quoted: Can you see the side or ghost markings when the vehicle stopping you is behind you? GD fantasizes about the fake cop car jackers. And the OP's kid was in a known thug area with fake cops, right? View Quote No fantasy involved here. Gotta be lettering that can be seen, with a specific sized light bar for traffic stops. Not an issue for the public. Or the police. Unmarked cars are not even in the equation. Can’t run radar if the car is not clearly and visibly marked and able to be seen from a certain distance, even at night. Ga SC already ruled on that. I know of one case where one of our cars was stolen while the officer was delivering paperwork to the court. Left his car running. Stolen from directly in front of the entrance to court. Used later in a traffic stop and rape. We had, and still have, a policy against leaving police cars running. There was no excuse for that to happen. |
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Quoted: You think there is one central police dispatch center for an entire region? Multiple agencies exist and they don't all share the same dispatcher. Crossover does occur, but it sure isn't realistic to think a 911 call will first even connect you to the same center and that the center contacted is the one that has the agency trying to stop you. Can you show us the law that you don't have to yield to an emergency vehicle displaying red/blue flashing lights and a siren until you call 911 and verify it is an emergency vehicle behind you? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Yes, actually, he does. Further, verifying the following vehicle is, in fact, a police vehicle and then pulling over immediately is compliance. You think there is one central police dispatch center for an entire region? Multiple agencies exist and they don't all share the same dispatcher. Crossover does occur, but it sure isn't realistic to think a 911 call will first even connect you to the same center and that the center contacted is the one that has the agency trying to stop you. Can you show us the law that you don't have to yield to an emergency vehicle displaying red/blue flashing lights and a siren until you call 911 and verify it is an emergency vehicle behind you? You're right. All states should ban unmarked cars from doing traffic stops. If you want people to know you are a police officer, act like one. |
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Quoted: So you are saying that everyone a cop pulls over in an unmarked car can reasonably be expected to call it in before stopping? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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I got pulled over for going a lot over with CA plates near Billings...
...I ended up talking guns with the officer and got let off with a warning Your boy caught a dude on a bad day or isn't sharing the whole story. |
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Quoted: I got pulled over for going a lot over with CA plates near Billings and ended up talking guns with the officer and let off with a warning Your boy caught a dude on a bad day or isn't sharing the whole story. View Quote |
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Quoted: You think there is one central police dispatch center for an entire region? Multiple agencies exist and they don't all share the same dispatcher. Crossover does occur, but it sure isn't realistic to think a 911 call will first even connect you to the same center and that the center contacted is the one that has the agency trying to stop you. Can you show us the law that you don't have to yield to an emergency vehicle displaying red/blue flashing lights and a siren until you call 911 and verify it is an emergency vehicle behind you? View Quote But is detaining someone for 3 hours reasonable? You and I both know that if that deputy believed he could have charged him with failure to yield, and or attempting to elude, he would have. If this happened the way that OP said, would you, as a reasonable officer, taken the same action? And if he had to follow this guy for 30 miles, I doubt they have more than 2 or 3 dispatch centers that would have to coordinate with each other. With that much land to cover, and so few deputies, they probably share the same communications center, dispatchers, and more than probably the same radio frequencies. I would think that in large rural areas, you’d have local, county, sheriff, and State patrol, that’s it. I doubt those communication centers get that many calls for service and traffic from the deputies over the radio. Don’t think it would be like in a city where you might have 10 different agencies with their own communications center. They can communicate with each other in a timely matter. |
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Quoted: Quoted: So you're all about following the rules, but you break the COC by attacking Op's son? I see no problem with his son calling to make sure it's an actual officer behind him, and if the officer isn't professional enough to not get angry, he shouldn't be a cop. Now, personally, I'd pull over right away but have no problem if someone doesn't. I hope you're not a cop. What rule did I break? |
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Quoted: Can you see the side or ghost markings when the vehicle stopping you is behind you? GD fantasizes about the fake cop car jackers. And the OP's kid was in a known thug area with fake cops, right? View Quote Locals never stopped doing it. Not pulling over is retarded anyways. Your 87x more likely to run into the dumbest cop in town who will flip out than avoid some fake cop. |
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Quoted: You think there is one central police dispatch center for an entire region? Multiple agencies exist and they don't all share the same dispatcher. Crossover does occur, but it sure isn't realistic to think a 911 call will first even connect you to the same center and that the center contacted is the one that has the agency trying to stop you. Can you show us the law that you don't have to yield to an emergency vehicle displaying red/blue flashing lights and a siren until you call 911 and verify it is an emergency vehicle behind you? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Yes, actually, he does. Further, verifying the following vehicle is, in fact, a police vehicle and then pulling over immediately is compliance. You think there is one central police dispatch center for an entire region? Multiple agencies exist and they don't all share the same dispatcher. Crossover does occur, but it sure isn't realistic to think a 911 call will first even connect you to the same center and that the center contacted is the one that has the agency trying to stop you. Can you show us the law that you don't have to yield to an emergency vehicle displaying red/blue flashing lights and a siren until you call 911 and verify it is an emergency vehicle behind you? In most areas, 911 centers can communicate with all LEOs in an area. As is posted above, when LEO agencies are suggesting calling 911 to verify the authenticity of a vehicle, that tells you that it is not only legal, but advisable. |
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Quoted: Pretty sure the not pulling over right away lit the fuse. Or maybe the officer didn't like cats. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I got pulled over for going a lot over with CA plates near Billings and ended up talking guns with the officer and let off with a warning Your boy caught a dude on a bad day or isn't sharing the whole story. ...he has a cat? |
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Quoted: You think there is one central police dispatch center for an entire region? Multiple agencies exist and they don't all share the same dispatcher. Crossover does occur, but it sure isn't realistic to think a 911 call will first even connect you to the same center and that the center contacted is the one that has the agency trying to stop you. Can you show us the law that you don't have to yield to an emergency vehicle displaying red/blue flashing lights and a siren until you call 911 and verify it is an emergency vehicle behind you? View Quote Police in the state were telling folks to do it. It's in the thread. |
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Quoted: He did not record. I do know what agency, going to keep it under my hat until I know more. They did not have body cams. View Quote Not worth a lawyer - there is no evidence here, just the testimony of the victims and the state's agent. Guess who wins without a third party witness or video? |
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Quoted: But is detaining someone for 3 hours reasonable? You and I both know that if that deputy believed he could have charged him with failure to yield, and or attempting to elude, he would have. If this happened the way that OP said, would you, as a reasonable officer, taken the same action? View Quote It was an interdiction stop, with a person that didn't want to pull over. 3 hours?? I have done quite a few stops for interdiction and taken some cars apart to find hidden spots. I don't ever recall them going over an hour. And most are done in 15-20 minutes and that is just knowing where to check and how to check. |
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Quoted: Im at the point that Im not even going to address a 3 hour traffic stop because I dont think one actually happened here. Theres way too many holes in this story at this point View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: When those of us that follow our SOP-s and the law, understanding those that don’t are outside of our ability to understand, or make sense out of. I can’t make sense out of unlawful behavior. Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen just because it makes no sense. Might be some things left out of the story as relayed to dad, or things not understood, but is there a legal basis for stopping someone for 3 hours on a traffic stop? That’s the bottom line. Im at the point that Im not even going to address a 3 hour traffic stop because I dont think one actually happened here. Theres way too many holes in this story at this point Attached File |
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Quoted: In most areas, 911 centers can communicate with all LEOs in an area. As is posted above, when LEO agencies are suggesting calling 911 to verify the authenticity of a vehicle, that tells you that it is not only legal, but advisable. View Quote Experience with "most areas"? Now if you are talking rural with no multitude of agencies, you may be right. So, you are now taking legal advice from cops? Because GD doesn't like that |
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Quoted: I respect the police View Quote |
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Quoted: ...he has a cat? View Quote |
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