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Posted: 4/12/2017 7:29:04 AM EST
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Does this mean that SEALS are not aloud to possess firearms, or do they just bypass all the 4473 nonsense?
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Posted: 4/12/2017 7:32:22 AM EST
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There you go. But everyone's going to get a case of the vapors over it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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From Task & Purpose: Salata told Task & Purpose that in November 2016, the Navy conducted a “no-notice sweep” of all 6,364 Naval Special Warfare units returning to their posts from Thanksgiving — a sweep that returned only seven positives for drug use. http://taskandpurpose.com/navy-seals-drug-use-cbs-report/?utm_content=tp-facebook&utm_campaign=news&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 7:33:57 AM EST
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Pain management drugs?
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Posted: 4/12/2017 7:39:00 AM EST
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Ain't just the seals. In southern pines bars outside of fort Bragg where most of the teams folks frequent, the locals are good at spotting when "X" number of delta and the like are in the bar and drugs/booze are likely to incite a good old fashioned fist fight
The smart locals leave, but no one says anything. Most would probably think just like myself that they are partying hard cause they work hard. I think putting your life on the line takes all types and all kinds of solutions to deal with the demons Hope the higher ups get the guys the help they need I couldn't even try out to be a seal without PEDs and a penis enlargement so I can't blame em. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 7:40:37 AM EST
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5 SEALs out of 900 = 0.55%
Yeah, those are just the ones caught so far. But does that = rampant drug abuse? |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 7:42:40 AM EST
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Not really. I think it's more the whole SF/so world. There was the same thing in the SF world. These guys are pushing the limits of their bodies and their bodies can't handle it so drugs come into play. Whether it be PEDs or pain killers. You came up hot on a piss test in the SF/Army SMU world you are gone. Return to Unit, clearance suspended or lost, Bar to Reenlistment. Now. No argument, no negotiation, no "Muh Feels." Black Chinook (TM) comes and takes you away at the speed of thought. 
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Posted: 4/12/2017 7:47:40 AM EST
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5 SEALS piss hot, lol. I remember that weekend 30+ people in my Battalion pissed hot, and that one time 8th Marines had a whole company piss hot on a float. times are a changing I guess but...but...it's STAGGERING!!!!!!1111 |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 7:49:45 AM EST
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Mandatory PowerPoint presentation to the rescue! The .mil loves those retarded presentations. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 7:58:04 AM EST
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A sign of the decay and rot spreading throughout the Western World. Its happened before, will happen again. 
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:02:07 AM EST
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Meh, a few out of a thousand.
From what I've seen it's an Improvement from days gone bye. Give em a hand up. God bless the frogman. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:03:31 AM EST
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Don't understand those saying this is ok here. Smoked a lot of pot in my youth. Tried cocain, mushrooms, LSD, speed, etc, before and after the Army.
But not when I was in the Rangers. No fucking way. Never even crossed my mind. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:07:31 AM EST
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5 SEALs out of 900 = 0.55% Yeah, those are just the ones caught so far. But does that = rampant drug abuse? From 2013, but I doubt much has changed. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:08:43 AM EST
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5 SEALs out of 900 = 0.55% Yeah, those are just the ones caught so far. But does that = rampant drug abuse? Quote HistoryQuoted:
5 SEALs out of 900 = 0.55% Yeah, those are just the ones caught so far. But does that = rampant drug abuse? Quoted:
From Task & Purpose: Salata told Task & Purpose that in November 2016, the Navy conducted a “no-notice sweep” of all 6,364 Naval Special Warfare units returning to their posts from Thanksgiving — a sweep that returned only seven positives for drug use. http://taskandpurpose.com/navy-seals-drug-use-cbs-report/?utm_content=tp-facebook&utm_campaign=news&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:23:12 AM EST
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Remember from Chris Kyle's book about how high his blood pressure was?
Those dudes have to be under some serious stress, and drugs and booze are probably an easy way to try and relax the mind and spirit. Stress for sustained periods will do bad things to the mind and soul. It doesn't make it right, and it could get a Team member killed if one guy is hungover or whatever on an operation. 
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:26:17 AM EST
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We are talking about drug use, not PED's.
Drug use can make them susceptible to blackmail or coercion and is a security risk. Needs to be addressed pronto. Of course that community likes to write books about every fucking op they do so theres that...... |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:27:28 AM EST
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So the article is bullshit in the face of actual data. Got to mix it up a bit. That being said it is beyond ridiculous that combat arms guy do not have access to Doc supervised PEDs. Would reduce disability and pain issues with about zero downside. As another side note it probably is less harmful to smoke a joint than down a 5th of vodka. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:27:33 AM EST
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Those guys have always known how to party. I don't know why anyone would be surprised people under that much pressure relieve it the same way the rest of the human race does. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:35:07 AM EST
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id bet a seal team is like any other professional high stress team. ( NFL, NBA etc ) ( not that its the same, but you get the idea , lots of stress to perform ) SUPER stress to be 100% at all times. I could easily see that getting people to look for " performance enhancements" . or having issues from things you have done / seen, sending you looking for something to help you sleep, your nerves etc.
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:38:08 AM EST
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Pain management drugs? |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:42:34 AM EST
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Does this mean that SEALS are not aloud to possess firearms, or do they just bypass all the 4473 nonsense? A.W.D. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:49:48 AM EST
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Uh, no. You came up hot on a piss test in the SF/Army SMU world you are gone. Return to Unit, clearance suspended or lost, Bar to Reenlistment. Now. No argument, no negotiation, no "Muh Feels." Black Chinook (TM) comes and takes you away at the speed of thought. http://militarysignatures.com/signatures/member2557e.png Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not really. I think it's more the whole SF/so world. There was the same thing in the SF world. These guys are pushing the limits of their bodies and their bodies can't handle it so drugs come into play. Whether it be PEDs or pain killers. You came up hot on a piss test in the SF/Army SMU world you are gone. Return to Unit, clearance suspended or lost, Bar to Reenlistment. Now. No argument, no negotiation, no "Muh Feels." Black Chinook (TM) comes and takes you away at the speed of thought. http://militarysignatures.com/signatures/member2557e.png |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:54:34 AM EST
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That being said it is beyond ridiculous that combat arms guy do not have access to Doc supervised PEDs. Would reduce disability and pain issues with about zero downside.  Injecting perfectly functioning endocrine system with massive amounts of steroids or other drugs and you think there's zero downsides?
Bodybuilders go down that route, and lose their natural testosterone production at an early age. Say hello for TRT for life. Plenty of people that experiment and their balls shrivel up to nothing while they do their "cycle." Then they need therapy to get it back, and if they're lucky it may return to normal. Nobody with functioning testicles should get testosterone injections. Its just as bad as the doctors handing out pain killers like its candy. Can't believe some people refuse to accept this. You can't just go injetcting massive hormones for months at a time and expect not to have consequences. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:01:31 AM EST
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Crazy notion, but has anyone considered the option of putting these guys under a legit MD supervised PED regimen? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No. My personal experience is way outdated, and PED science has advanced light years. It would be stupid for me to even venture a guess, but I have to imagine the numbers have trended up and not down. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:02:52 AM EST
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We let guys in stay in in regular line units for similar after a little punishment and going to ASAP. It isn't actually easy to kick someone out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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From the article "One SEAL who had tested positive for cocaine last summer tested positive again, this time for prescription drugs. He is being kicked off the teams." How the fuck do you stay in the Navy after pissing hot for cocaine, let alone stay in the Seal community? That's just a giant WTF for me. Piss test only tests for a couple things, and a random extra one. Lots of people fall through the cracks, and the tighter the unit the more likely dudes are to help each other cheat a piss test. As for the dudes using a crack head to rationalize hard drug use in SOF
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:05:33 AM EST
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Injecting perfectly functioning endocrine system with massive amounts of steroids or other drugs and you think there's zero downsides?
Bodybuilders go down that route, and lose their natural testosterone production at an early age. Say hello for TRT for life. Plenty of people that experiment and their balls shrivel up to nothing while they do their "cycle." Then they need therapy to get it back, and if they're lucky it may return to normal. Nobody with functioning testicles should get testosterone injections. Its just as bad as the doctors handing out pain killers like its candy. Can't believe some people refuse to accept this. You can't just go injetcting massive hormones for months at a time and expect not to have consequences. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Injecting perfectly functioning endocrine system with massive amounts of steroids or other drugs and you think there's zero downsides?
Bodybuilders go down that route, and lose their natural testosterone production at an early age. Say hello for TRT for life. Plenty of people that experiment and their balls shrivel up to nothing while they do their "cycle." Then they need therapy to get it back, and if they're lucky it may return to normal. Nobody with functioning testicles should get testosterone injections. Its just as bad as the doctors handing out pain killers like its candy. Can't believe some people refuse to accept this. You can't just go injetcting massive hormones for months at a time and expect not to have consequences. Never suggested "massive amounts of steroids" nor "injetcting massive hormones for months at a time" but I do appreciate your over the top drama lama routine. There is simply no question that when properly done some PEDs help healing of damaged tissue. Go get your shoulder repaired surgically and you will be prescribed PEDs to help the healing process. Proper use of PEDs after the initial shoulder injury might just save you from the surgical repair later in life. Medical science has sort of come a ways from 1972. Quoted:
What, and undermine the war on drugs? 
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:10:36 AM EST
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Lol, hard drug use and a TS clearance are the problem. Piss test only tests for a couple things, and a random extra one. Lots of people fall through the cracks, and the tighter the unit the more likely dudes are to help each other cheat a piss test. As for the dudes using a crack head to rationalize hard drug use in SOF Quote HistoryQuoted:
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From the article "One SEAL who had tested positive for cocaine last summer tested positive again, this time for prescription drugs. He is being kicked off the teams." How the fuck do you stay in the Navy after pissing hot for cocaine, let alone stay in the Seal community? That's just a giant WTF for me. Piss test only tests for a couple things, and a random extra one. Lots of people fall through the cracks, and the tighter the unit the more likely dudes are to help each other cheat a piss test. As for the dudes using a crack head to rationalize hard drug use in SOF |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:13:59 AM EST
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Per the DSM-5 caffeine is a drug, so pretty much the entire military is using and addicted; welcome to the current state of the MSM.
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:15:18 AM EST
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From the article "One SEAL who had tested positive for cocaine last summer tested positive again, this time for prescription drugs. He is being kicked off the teams." How the fuck do you stay in the Navy after pissing hot for cocaine, let alone stay in the Seal community? That's just a giant WTF for me. I am just a cook. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:18:19 AM EST
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Urban legend. They test for everything. And the program is inspected regularly from outside those units. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:20:09 AM EST
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Urban legend. They test for everything. And the program is inspected regularly from outside those units. So SOF dudes have outside of socom dude meat gazing? |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:21:42 AM EST
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Huh. Had no idea. the Army definitely feeds that in the upl course. So SOF dudes have outside of socom dude meat gazing? |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:22:10 AM EST
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You've got people that are obviously attracted to, immune to, or immersed in high risk behavior (their job) engaging in high risk behavior outside of the job.
Why is anyone surprised? I don't mean that as a knock on them at all, but I can sure understand it. I could definitely see the use of PED's and painkillers as well as other means of injury/mission recovery. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:26:38 AM EST
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This was my thought as well. Meth or heroin would be quite shocking. Weed, who cares. PEDs, well duh. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Meh.... what drugs are we talking here. Are they smoking a blunt to relax after a long mission/deployment or are we talking meth/coke/heroin here? PEDs? There is a huge definition of the word "drugs" here. Meth or heroin would be quite shocking. Weed, who cares. PEDs, well duh. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:28:02 AM EST
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18Ds look at cock too. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:28:39 AM EST
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So Captain Sands is lying? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Urban legend. They test for everything. And the program is inspected regularly from outside those units. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:29:42 AM EST
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You've got people that are obviously attracted to, immune to, or immersed in doing ridiculously stupid things off duty, obviously they will do ridiculously stupid things on duty as well. Why is anyone surprised? I don't mean that as a knock on them at all, but I can sure understand it. I could definitely see the use of PED's and painkillers as well as other means of injury/mission recovery. Crossfit and chrystals are a tough combination. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:30:12 AM EST
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Huh. Had no idea. the Army definitely feeds that in the upl course. So SOF dudes have outside of socom dude meat gazing? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Urban legend. They test for everything. And the program is inspected regularly from outside those units. So SOF dudes have outside of socom dude meat gazing? |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:32:11 AM EST
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I don't know how you could possibly torture that ridiculous statement out of what I said. “They think it was OK because they’ve seen other people do it,” Sands said in the video. “They think their teammates won’t turn them in. They think it’s kind of the cool thing to do, but they think it’s OK.” that it is an internal issue without outside oversight. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:32:17 AM EST
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Shit, I can see where drugs would be helpful in their missions. Spend 12 hours on fight, stiff and tired, hop on a chopper and fly another 2 hours, then just a bump of coke or meth and they are instantly ready to fast rope down and stomp the guts out of jihadis.
Once the missions over, go home, pop some Percocet and veg out. I can't imagine doing what they do without drugs. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:33:54 AM EST
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But, rock stars gotta party and break shit...
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:35:57 AM EST
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I can't imagine doing what they do without drugs. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:37:15 AM EST
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crossfit and groupies? |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:38:39 AM EST
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Is it actually affecting their ability to do the job?
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:39:13 AM EST
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he seems to imply in this statement: “They think it was OK because they’ve seen other people do it,” Sands said in the video. “They think their teammates won’t turn them in. They think it’s kind of the cool thing to do, but they think it’s OK.” that it is an internal issue without outside oversight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't know how you could possibly torture that ridiculous statement out of what I said. “They think it was OK because they’ve seen other people do it,” Sands said in the video. “They think their teammates won’t turn them in. They think it’s kind of the cool thing to do, but they think it’s OK.” that it is an internal issue without outside oversight. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:39:43 AM EST
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Meh.... what drugs are we talking here. Are they smoking a blunt to relax after a long mission/deployment or are we talking meth/coke/heroin here? PEDs? There is a huge definition of the word "drugs" here. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:40:05 AM EST
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I worked for someone like you once. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:44:08 AM EST
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A shame nothing was learned. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I worked for someone like you once. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:46:02 AM EST
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It seems like this celebrity like status will eventually can the whole thing for a start over. How covert can anything they do be once the media starts "hard hitting expose's " and such? Wouldn't it be better if that kind of unit was not often heard about?
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:46:38 AM EST
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If you need weed to "unwind" after a "long mission", then you are a pussy and shouldn't have that job for failure to adapt. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Meh.... what drugs are we talking here. Are they smoking a blunt to relax after a long mission/deployment or are we talking meth/coke/heroin here? PEDs? There is a huge definition of the word "drugs" here. Meth or heroin would be quite shocking. Weed, who cares. PEDs, well duh. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 9:48:10 AM EST
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Oh he learned a lot. He didn't particularly like it, but he learned. 
I'm sure. Unless it was a class on how to eliminate pregnancy in military units. In which case I can think of no better instructor. |
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