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Posted: 4/12/2017 12:32:05 PM EST
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If you play college baseball, (even juco), at the beginning the team will say you're either on roads or off the team, "and here's your roids." We are talking 18yos who have statistically a small shot of ever being drafted. Goes on at 100% of schools that I'm familiar with. But that was about 10 yrs ago. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Doesn't surprise me at all. I've heard from multiple people who served in ranger battalions that steroids are practically a unwritten requirement for most guys to do their job. And as the poster above mentioned once you make a contact for getting one drug. Getting other types of drugs for recreation isn't that huge of a leap. If anything I think that this just shows the hypocrisy of the war on drugs. We are talking 18yos who have statistically a small shot of ever being drafted. Goes on at 100% of schools that I'm familiar with. But that was about 10 yrs ago. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 12:44:30 PM EST
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Well if SEALs are testing positive for hard drug abuse but not getting disciplined would be the Commands fault. Is that what you're saying? Captain Sands only recently took command. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 12:45:25 PM EST
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Sounds like the medical board here. A good old boy's club. Vs the pharmacy board which is usually pretty brutal I believe in equal representation under the law but giving them a pass because they are high speed is bullshit. I know a guy who was busted from 1st down to 2nd for a DUI and sent home HYT at 19.5 years. We sent home three sailors in the last two years for weed and spice. I hope the navy cleans this up. It is what makes morale fall like a fucking meteor. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 12:55:05 PM EST
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Pain killers and 'roids I can see giving them a second chance, both are easy to get hooked on when you tear your body up as much as those guys do.
"Party drugs" should be a zero tolerance for guys who are pretty much on 24/7/365 standby. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 12:58:49 PM EST
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There's more info coming out: From the end of an article with interviews with an AD and retired SEALs. I think this says a lot: I’m willing to discuss this because the drugs are just a sign of the deeper issues happening within the SEAL Teams. These corrupted guys and the poor leadership have expanded their power, and they are hardly ever held accountable within the normal military law and accountability system. Most likely the NCIS were too intimidated, or they just trusted what the SEAL Leadership was telling them. It will take more SEALs stepping-up and pointing out the wrong doing, to clean up the SEAL Teams. I didn’t choose this fight and I have nothing to gain from it. In fact, my speaking up puts a target of my back and makes it harder for me to get contract work now that I am retired. Nobody wants to throw their lot in with a whistle-blower. Despite the personal obstacles, I feel I have a moral obligation to step up and correct the problem, so that future SEALs (My Brothers) are led by the best this country has to offer—the way it was when I first joined the Teams. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/selling-the-trident-navy-seals-describe-a-culture-in-crisis-in-their-own-words/ A good leader is a rare thing in the Navy. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 1:07:28 PM EST
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Sounds pretty accurate for the Navy... A good leader is a rare thing in the Navy. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 1:11:47 PM EST
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My workout partner was a marine officer who was deployed on one of the ships involved in the captain phillips ordeal. When the seals got on their ship he said his marines couldn't believe the seals were walking around with flip flops, scruffy beards, and apparently answered to no one. "Frag Out" would make a hell of a screenplay. Cool movie title, too. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 1:14:06 PM EST
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5 out of 900 are being disciplined. If that was the only issue, this wouldn't be an issue. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 1:15:22 PM EST
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Kinda makes me wonder if the SEAL who fragged the hostage they were meant to rescue was stoned, or just a fuckwit. It was the lying about it later. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 1:18:36 PM EST
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I suspect the prevalence of drug use there is no greater than with any other small unit.
Let there be no doubt, the left(MSM's lackeys) are at war with those on the other side. They know the other side holds the .mil in very high regard and will do any thing to discredit, besmirch and destroy all we hold dear. By going after the elite units they bring down the public's impression of us all. The left/MSM are not your friends. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 1:26:12 PM EST
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Kinda makes me wonder if the SEAL who fragged the hostage they were meant to rescue was stoned, or just a fuckwit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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5 out of 900 are being disciplined. If that was the only issue, this wouldn't be an issue. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 1:27:18 PM EST
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It wasn't the frag that was necessarily bad. shit happens and it seems like that raid was absolute chaos (critique of seal "planning" to be witheld for now). It was the lying about it later. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 1:38:04 PM EST
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Kinda makes me wonder if the SEAL who fragged the hostage they were meant to rescue was stoned, or just a fuckwit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Kinda makes me wonder if the SEAL who fragged the hostage they were meant to rescue was stoned, or just a fuckwit. You're still wondering how Trump won. 
It might be a better use of your time to skip Monday Morning QBing guys doing HR at the behest of the NCA and work on your political prognostication. Just Sayin. Quoted:
It wasn't the frag that was necessarily bad. shit happens and it seems like that raid was absolute chaos (critique of seal "planning" to be witheld for now). It was the lying about it later. Quoted:
The SEAL that tossed the frag was a new guy at DG and was previously disciplined for being too agressive. After the frag incident and not being forthcoming with his actions he was kicked out of the teams. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 1:41:24 PM EST
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Those guys have always known how to party. I don't know why anyone would be surprised people under that much pressure relieve it the same way the rest of the human race does. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 1:46:39 PM EST
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So are pilots, but we can't do blow and keep our wings.... |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 1:47:06 PM EST
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LOL. You're still wondering how Trump won.
It might be a better use of your time to skip Monday Morning QBing guys doing HR at the behest of the NCA and work on your political prognostication. Just Sayin. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 1:47:46 PM EST
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What drugs?
The op tempo those guys have been on is nuts. Same with other SF/SOF forces. A good many of them are playing in pain constantly. Example: I know of a former Ranger Bat guy who went in to see about back pain he was dealing with and they X-Ray him and find out he's got two broken vertebrae. This dude was running around interesting parts of the world doing hero shit with a fucking broken back and not complaining. That was pretty much the end of his operational capacity in that unit. You're only made of testosterone and magic for so long and guys who have been at this a while have taken a real beating. I get together with friends and the ones who've been in GWOT since pretty near the jump are almost cyborgs at this point with the amount of metal holding them together. I don't know how they made it through the first injury much less the accumulation of four or five that should have been deal breakers. I can see guys maybe going overboard with scrip meds because they are playing in pain. I can see guys maybe taking advantage of modern chemistry to make themselves stronger and more durable, or so they don't end up permanently sidelined by an injury. EDIT - Cocaine, well...that's a different story. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 1:49:18 PM EST
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This. To me, I would be surprised if those guys DIDN'T do 'drugs'. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those guys have always known how to party. I don't know why anyone would be surprised people under that much pressure relieve it the same way the rest of the human race does. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 1:50:54 PM EST
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From the article "One SEAL who had tested positive for cocaine last summer tested positive again, this time for prescription drugs. He is being kicked off the teams." How the fuck do you stay in the Navy after pissing hot for cocaine, let alone stay in the Seal community? That's just a giant WTF for me. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 1:51:51 PM EST
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Posted: 4/12/2017 1:52:22 PM EST
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LOL. You're still wondering how Trump won.
It might be a better use of your time to skip Monday Morning QBing guys doing HR at the behest of the NCA and work on your political prognostication. Just Sayin. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 2:03:28 PM EST
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Holy butthurt batman. I wasn't Monday QBing shit, but asking about specific incident which was then corrected by someone in the know. Sorry I triggered you killer. Maybe you should work on keeping your emotions in check so you don't derail a thread by bringing up shit that has nothing to do with the subject. Just an idea. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Holy butthurt batman. I wasn't Monday QBing shit, but asking about specific incident which was then corrected by someone in the know. Sorry I triggered you killer. Maybe you should work on keeping your emotions in check so you don't derail a thread by bringing up shit that has nothing to do with the subject. Just an idea. 
Sylvan is no more in the know than anyone else posting here on GD concerning that indecent. He also had exactly zero inside knowledge about Trump winning. He got that right also. See the pattern? You're just used to speculating in an uninformed manner.
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You should stock up on fruit, especially pineapple juice, for your hunting guests. So you're sayin you think pineapple juice is delicious after being metabolized? Duly noted.
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Posted: 4/12/2017 2:05:02 PM EST
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What drugs? The op tempo those guys have been on is nuts. Same with other SF/SOF forces. A good many of them are playing in pain constantly. Example: I know of a former Ranger Bat guy who went in to see about back pain he was dealing with and they X-Ray him and find out he's got two broken vertebrae. This dude was running around interesting parts of the world doing hero shit with a fucking broken back and not complaining. That was pretty much the end of his operational capacity in that unit. You're only made of testosterone and magic for so long and guys who have been at this a while have taken a real beating. I get together with friends and the ones who've been in GWOT since pretty near the jump are almost cyborgs at this point with the amount of metal holding them together. I don't know how they made it through the first injury much less the accumulation of four or five that should have been deal breakers. I can see guys maybe going overboard with scrip meds because they are playing in pain. I can see guys maybe taking advantage of modern chemistry to make themselves stronger and more durable, or so they don't end up permanently sidelined by an injury. EDIT - Cocaine, well...that's a different story. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 2:12:35 PM EST
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Comments like this are overly disguised satire, right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those guys have always known how to party. I don't know why anyone would be surprised people under that much pressure relieve it the same way the rest of the human race does. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 2:23:36 PM EST
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As I understand it these guys are still getting shot up or killed on a fairly regular basis, too. Medical use is acceptable, blowing off steam is understandable but not being held accountable is a not a recipe for success. They may represent a large investment of time and effort but if you keep giving your star players free passes everyone starts to think they deserve it. I'm in no position to know what's going on in that community because I ain't even close to being a member. All I know is what I see from people I know in and around that community and that is, I'm certain, a tiny sliver of what's actually going on. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 2:26:01 PM EST
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You heard wrong. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 2:40:56 PM EST
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Well if SEALs are testing positive for hard drug abuse but not getting disciplined would be the Commands fault. Is that what you're saying? "Having lost confidence in your ability to command you are relieved. XO, take charge." The United States military buys and issues prescription pain killers through medical authorities like party favors. We track and document that. Recreational pharmaceuticals will get you eliminated from service now. Don't care how much it cost to train you. Don't think we'll throw you into Leavenworth for being a narco trafficker or rapist just because of your unit designation or assignment? Hah. You don't think we don't have our own assigned CID guys with access to cleared Trial Defense and judges? |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 2:44:42 PM EST
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Somebody hit a nerve.
Sylvan is no more in the know than anyone else posting here on GD concerning that indecent. He also had exactly zero inside knowledge about Trump winning. He got that right also. See the pattern? You're just used to speculating in an uninformed manner.
LOL. So you're sayin you think pineapple juice is delicious after being metabolized? Duly noted. I'll tell ya what killer, you could just put me on ignore if I trigger your feels that badly. I don't want to be responsible for you self-mutilating simply cause I don't like "your guy" as much as you. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 3:04:26 PM EST
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+1 the life of a deployed grunt is 10Xs harder and more stressful than SOCOM bubbas. Thats why they go through selection. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's your DD214 say? How many time have you done 48+hr missions with very little sleep and come back to your FOB to immediately get on post for 12 hours, again without sleep and little food? How many times have your gone a few weeks with the same pair of crusty socks and underwear, and only to swap them out with a previously worn pair that you left to air out? How long have you lived sleeping on a cot inside of a mud and brick building with no AC? |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 3:20:38 PM EST
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Are you high right now? |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 3:22:42 PM EST
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From the article "One SEAL who had tested positive for cocaine last summer tested positive again, this time for prescription drugs. He is being kicked off the teams." How the fuck do you stay in the Navy after pissing hot for cocaine, let alone stay in the Seal community? That's just a giant WTF for me. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 3:28:30 PM EST
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This. To me, I would be surprised if those guys DIDN'T do 'drugs'. Amiright?
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Posted: 4/12/2017 3:39:59 PM EST
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I guess it's the SEALs' turn, for PUSSYFICATION! Some "Do Good/Crusader", meddling with the "Workers" of fhe bunch!
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Posted: 4/12/2017 3:49:42 PM EST
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Kinda makes me wonder if the SEAL who fragged the hostage they were meant to rescue was stoned, or just a fuckwit. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 3:57:36 PM EST
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I often wonder the same thing about you. Seems like you may be. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 5:41:11 PM EST
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He's not even a pogue. Senior enlisted Navy type that deals with electronic systems. Zero relevant experience to combat operations on dry land, although he supported Squeals once, so lots of fanboisim for them gets inserted into any threads about them, even though his experience with them confirms major problems with their community. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"ground operations" is not what I'm talking about. Nor am I offended, just laughing that you walked into it so easily. Or is it some secret ReconB4 stuff? Zero relevant experience to combat operations on dry land, although he supported Squeals once, so lots of fanboisim for them gets inserted into any threads about them, even though his experience with them confirms major problems with their community. 
Who is taking about combat operations here? If you are, you're in an alternate reality from the rest of us. And what planet do you come from where you think I'm some SEAL fanboy? I probably like them less than you do, and for reasons grounded in reality - a place you haven't seen in decades. I don't let my personal feelings decide what is accurate and what is not like you do. I do find your characterization of my service a bit comical though, it's as accurate as it can be while being wildly inaccurate and incomplete and ignorant. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 5:44:53 PM EST
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Comments like this are overly disguised satire, right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those guys have always known how to party. I don't know why anyone would be surprised people under that much pressure relieve it the same way the rest of the human race does. Alcohol abuse not so much, though that's slowly changing as well. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 6:46:34 PM EST
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Lol, hard drug use and a TS clearance are the problem. Piss test only tests for a couple things, and a random extra one. Lots of people fall through the cracks, and the tighter the unit the more likely dudes are to help each other cheat a piss test. As for the dudes using a crack head to rationalize hard drug use in SOF Quote HistoryQuoted:
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From the article "One SEAL who had tested positive for cocaine last summer tested positive again, this time for prescription drugs. He is being kicked off the teams." How the fuck do you stay in the Navy after pissing hot for cocaine, let alone stay in the Seal community? That's just a giant WTF for me. Piss test only tests for a couple things, and a random extra one. Lots of people fall through the cracks, and the tighter the unit the more likely dudes are to help each other cheat a piss test. As for the dudes using a crack head to rationalize hard drug use in SOF |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 6:50:58 PM EST
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The TS thing I never thought about, ya no idea how you stay in a SF style unit and piss hot.... |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 6:52:09 PM EST
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The TS thing I never thought about, ya no idea how you stay in a SF style unit and piss hot.... fuck yo rules. I did hell week. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 7:04:50 PM EST
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same way you violate NDAs and write books and make movie deals while still on active duty about shit that supposed to be classified. fuck yo rules. I did hell week. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The TS thing I never thought about, ya no idea how you stay in a SF style unit and piss hot.... fuck yo rules. I did hell week. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 7:34:02 PM EST
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I'm 100% positive those two do not have any clearance and never will again. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 7:39:42 PM EST
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Serious question: So SEALs do not require security clearances? How much mission intel do they get briefed from or have access to for planning that is classified? I won't bring up equipment and systems, but to think that they would have to sign NDA's probably on at least a weekly basis when deployed is far fetched. Hell back when I was in if you were an AF security specialist you had to have at least a secret clearance and there were multiple thousands of airmen and officers in that career field. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 7:41:11 PM EST
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I'm 100% positive those two do not have any clearance and never will again. but they cashed out, made their money and received zero real punishment. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:01:12 PM EST
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I'm having a hard time NOT believing this
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Can this be this big of an issue to result in a safety stand down? Last December, as an e-mail shows, the SEALs halted all training and ordered a safety stand-down because of the drug problem. “I feel like I’m watching our foundation, our culture erode in front of our eyes,” said Capt. Jamie Sands, the commander of 900 SEALs based on the East Coast. Sands had been on the job for just three months and already five SEALs had been kicked off the teams for using drugs. “I feel betrayed,” Sands said. “How do you do that to us? How do you decide that it’s OK for you to do drugs?” Every SEAL under his command was required to attend this meeting or else watch it online. In response to our request, the Navy released an edited version of the video. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/navy-seal-drug-use-staggering-prompts-internal-intervention/ar-BBzJyqO?li=BBnb7Kz&OCID=AVRES007 |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:02:39 PM EST
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That's a lot of liability. Roids, with current tech, are a lifetime commitment. Maybe blood doping a-la Team USA/Lance Armstrong? If a legit physio-pharma doc rolls in and says there isn't any acceptable regimen of sustained PED use outside of injury recover then I will gladly be quiet and learn. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:06:33 PM EST
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Oxycontin, I could understand.
Heroin? Isn't their life dangerous enough without that? |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:08:57 PM EST
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Oxycontin, I could understand. Heroin? Isn't their life dangerous enough without that? |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:11:35 PM EST
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true. but they cashed out, made their money and received zero real punishment. 
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Posted: 4/12/2017 8:13:13 PM EST
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I'm sure it's been mentioned in this thread? but SEALs have been using speed as far back as Nam that I'm aware of.
Meth though? Fuck |
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