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There you go, just like OP, lapping up the out of context bullshit that's fed to you.

Enjoy your fake reality.  

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Putin can get fucked.

It seems that he is oddly committed to this war with every intent of weakening Russia from a long term strategic perspective. If you wanna talk 'conspiracy theories' I wouldn't be surprised if he's working with 'globohomo' to deliberately undermine Russia with a disastrous war. If even half of the US/NATO/Ukie propaganda can be believed, and assuming that lines of a map are even close, Russia is flat out getting its ass gaped open. Which to me, would make it incredibly shocking, stupid, and nonsensical to double down and remove your own bargaining chip from the table. You are removing your one 'out' from a war that you will definitely lose.

So to argue that Russia is the culprit then, is to say:

1) Putin is insane, like, more insane than any leader in world history has ever been. More insane than Hitler in Berlin even.

or

2) Russia has some means to actually win, even if it means the adoption of war measures we may not have seen yet.

I for one, am so anti-Russian propaganda I am not convinced 2 is even possible, their military is absolute shit, and 1 is naive propaganda from the US that we tell little children so they can look at the world in a way that makes sense to a childish mind. Leaders don't magically go mad (yes even Hitler or Stalin), you just don't get told what the other sides motives really are because that takes too much time or may make you sympathetic to them. That's why I say the US or an ally, or some undisclosed 3rd party did it.

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That's nonsense.  We all discussed that comment HERE.  

Do you specifically recall ANYONE claiming that he meant he would blow it up?

Are you claiming that YOU suggested that he meant he would blow it up?

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Putin says U.S. created nuclear precedent by bombing Japan: Crazed Russian leader claims 'Anglo-Saxons' blew up Nord Stream, says U.S. is occupying Germany and Korea, and warns he'll use 'all forces' to defend four annexed Ukraine regions


Vladimir Putin accused the United States of creating a nuclear weapons 'precedent' by bombing Japan at the end of the second World War in an unhinged speech calling the West 'satanists' and accusing 'Anglo Saxons' of blowing up the Nord Stream pipelines.

The Russian despot ranted about sex-change operations, claimed America is occupying Germany and Korea and vowed to 'smash' the West in the disturbing remarks as he announced the annexation of four regions in Ukraine.

His saber-rattling is another terrifying hint that he is prepared to use nuclear weapons as he vowed to use 'all available means' to hold onto Russian-occupied areas of Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk and Luhansk.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/09/30/15/62969437-11266907-Russian_President_Vladimir_Putin_said_the_United_States_had_crea-a-28_1664548017563.jpg


Again, he blamed the West for his invasion of Ukraine because they believe Russia is a 'colony' and a 'band of slaves, and wants to break it up into smaller states who 'will be fighting against each other'.

President Joe Biden released a statement Friday claiming that the annexations have 'no legitimacy' and will not be recognized by the U.S. He also announced a new set of sanctions in response to the move.

'The United States will always honor Ukraine's internationally recognized borders,' Biden said in the statement, adding: 'We will continue to support Ukraine's efforts to regain control of its territory by strengthening its hand militarily and diplomatically.'

'In response to Russia's phony claims of annexation, the United States, together with our Allies and partners, are announcing new sanctions today,' the president released in his Friday statement. 'These sanctions will impose costs on individuals and entities -- inside and outside of Russia -- that provide political or economic support to illegal attempts to change the status of Ukrainian territory.'

The U.S. Treasury Department updated its list of sanctions for Russia-related individuals and entities to include the Russian Central Bank Governor Elvira Nabiullina and Russia Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Novak.

The Russian president said westerners have made the leap from issuing sanctions to conducting 'terror attacks' in a hostile speech delivered from the Kremlin.

The West sabotaging Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines was an attempt to 'destroy the European energy infrastructure,' he claimed – and added that 'those who profit from it have done it,' without naming a specific country.

Fears of nuclear war have grown since Putin confirmed last week he was 'not bluffing' when he said Russia was prepared to use nuclear weapons to defend its territory.

He claimed that there is 'centuries-old Russophobia' against his country and people because they dared defend themselves from western colonization.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/09/30/15/62970023-11266907-The_speech_was_for_Putin_to_announce_he_is_annexing_four_Ukraini-a-26_1664548017562.jpg


He also said any country who wants to 'live by the rules of the United States' are 'political masochists.'

Putin even made the outlandish claim that the U.S. is occupying Germany in downplaying the relationship between the two nations.

'Germany is still their vassal, but the United States is still calling them an 'equal ally'. This is a real shame,' the Russian leader said.

Announcing on Friday that he was annexing four Ukrainian regions, Putin delivered a blistering speech claiming Russia would use 'all the power and all the means' at its disposal to defend its new lands from attacks by the West or Ukraine and to help liberate the world.

The Russian despot, speaking in front of his cronies in Moscow, declared that 'millions of people' had 'opted' to become vassals of Russia after staging sham referendums in which gun-toting troops went door-to-door with clear glass ballot boxes in order to force people to vote.

'They are our people, forever,' he said to a standing ovation inside the Kremlin's grand Georgian Hall before calling on Ukraine and its Western allies to abandon hopes of re-taking them, repeating a threat to use 'all forces' to defend the 'new territories'.

He said: 'The West wants to see Russia as a colony, an unfree society.'

'One of the reasons for the centuries-old Russophobia is that we did not allow ourselves to be robbed during the period of colonization, we forced Europe to trade on an equal footing,' Putin added, claiming he has plans for 'intervention.'

Putin slammed the U.S. for being the only country to have twice used nuclear weapons against another nation and also accused America of leaving a 'terrible mark on the history of Korea and Vietnam' with engagements in conflicts in both conflicts.


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PRESIDENT BIDEN:  The first question first.  If Germany — if Russia invades — that means tanks or troops crossing the — the border of Ukraine again — then there will be — we — there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2.  We will bring an end to it.

CHANCELLOR SCHOLZ:  As I’ve already said, we are acting together, we are absolutely united, and we will not be taking different steps.  We will do the same steps, and they will be very, very hard to Russia, and they should understand.

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It's obvious that Putin has determined that his planned actions and intent WILL result in sanctions that render those pipelines worthless for many years.

Annexing territories?

Tac nuke?  

Who knows?

Actually, Putin knows.  

That pipeline is obviously worth more to him blowed up.

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Did YOU or anyone here comment on so BOLD a suggestion at the time?

No.

That's because AT THE TIME, when we heard the comment, none of us thought he meant "blow it up."


That's because in the context of the LARGER press conference, it's obvious that it is not what he meant:

PRESIDENT BIDEN:  The first question first.  If Germany — if Russia invades — that means tanks or troops crossing the — the border of Ukraine again — then there will be — we — there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2.  We will bring an end to it.

Q    But how will you — how will you do that exactly, since the project and control of the project is within Germany’s control?

PRESIDENT BIDEN:  We will — I promise you, we’ll be able to do it.

CHANCELLOR SCHOLZ:   Thank you very much for your question.  I want to be absolutely clear: We have intensively prepared everything to be ready with the necessary sanctions if there is a military aggression against Ukraine.

And this is necessary.  It is necessary that we do this in advance so that Russia can clearly understand that these are far-reaching, severe measures.

It is part of this process that we do not spell out everything in public because Russia could understand that there might be even more to come.  And, at the same time, it is very clear we are well prepared with far-reaching measures.  We will take these measures together with our Allies, with our partners, with the U.S., and we will take all necessary steps.  You can be sure that there won’t be any measures in which we have a differing approach.  We will act together jointly.

(Speaks in English.) And possibly this is a good idea to say to our American friends: We will be united, we will act together, and we will take all the necessary steps.  And all the necessary steps will be done by all of us together.

Q    And will you commit today — will you commit today to turning off and pulling the plug on Nord Stream 2?  You didn’t mention it, and you haven’t mentioned it.

CHANCELLOR SCHOLZ:  As I’ve already said, we are acting together, we are absolutely united, and we will not be taking different steps.  We will do the same steps, and they will be very, very hard to Russia, and they should understand.

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You, and many others, are deliberately or ignorantly conflating Nordstream 1 with Nordstream 2. Nordstream 2 could disappear for all anyone cares at this stage.

But, it was the unilateral shit down of Nordstream, 1 "for maintenance" which first got people in a tizzy last week. Few believed Russia that there was suddenly a maintenance issue which warranted a shut down.

Now, it's had this happen to it.

I originally couldn't figure out why they would, assuming it were Russia, attack Nordstream 2 as well. It just made no sense. But it does as a distraction.

This thread alone explains it.

The conveniently edited videos which disseminated at record speed across the COW internet? And now the declaration of annexation of parts of Ukraine?

Wow, it's just scary to see how easy it is to play people.

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You, and many others, are deliberately or ignorantly conflating Nordstream 1 with Nordstream 2. Nordstream 2 could disappear for all anyone cares at this stage.

But, it was the unilateral shit down of Nordstream, 1 "for maintenance" which first got people in a tizzy last week. Few believed Russia that there was suddenly a maintenance issue which warranted a shut down.

Now, it's had this happen to it.

I originally couldn't figure out why they would, assuming it were Russia, attack Nordstream 2 as well. It just made no sense. But it does as a distraction.

This thread alone explains it.

The conveniently edited videos which disseminated at record speed across the COW internet? And now the declaration of annexation of parts of Ukraine?

Wow, it's just scary to see how easy it is to play people.

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Hook, line and sinker.

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So what is the greater context to those videos I posted and how does it change the meaning?  

I won’t wait up for a response.

“For all anyone cares”.  Germany and Russia both care a great deal about it.

You’re being pedantic about which pipeline is being talked about.  They both would do the same exact thing and blowing one or the other has the same result and benefits the same people.

If you have two straws and someone takes one does it matter which one is taken?  Maybe to a toddler.

But the guy who said he’d end someone didn’t say he’d kill them!!!  But it was his twin that ended up dead, couldn’t be the guy who threatened to end the other twin. !!.!.!

Imagine how stupid a lawyer would be to present that to a jury as a defense.  

Anyway, I’m not checking back, this is a dumpster fire. Good luck and btw it won’t matter who blew it, war is coming to us all. Maybe our great grandkids will find out the absolute truth.

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I've been evaluating the evidence available to me as its come in and trying to make sense of things.

Try it some time. It's downright refreshing.

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I know for a fact that when you first heard those comments back in February, you did not think for a second that they were talking about blowing up the pipeline.

How do I know this?

Because you are not a moron.

ANYONE who has two brain cells to rub together could not hear that press conference, IN ITS FULL CONTEXT, and conclude that they were talking about blowing up the pipeline.

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My assessment that you were ripe and accepting of the false narrative about the press conference is not an “ad hominem.”

It’s an observation.

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These articles explain in detail with evidence why all the BS Russian propaganda is floating around GD:

Conservative Sympathy for Russia in Ukraine War an Exercise in Cognitive Dissonance
How one of the greatest examples of why a populace should own military weapons is getting ignored by some on the right.
https://content.osgnetworks.tv/firearmsnews/content/photos/americans-taking-sides-in-ukraine-1200x800.jpg
(I wonder what his screen name is? LOL!)

Left AND Right Showing Cognitive Dissonance on Ukraine and U.S. Gun Rights
http://content.osgnetworks.tv/firearmsnews/content/photos/cognitive-dissonance-ukraine-us-gun-rights-1200x800.jpg

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'Mr. Putin, don't misunderstand what I'm saying': Biden warns US is prepared to defend 'every inch of NATO territory' after 'phony' annexation of four Ukraine regions and Russia's claim America set nuclear 'precedent' with a-bombs


Putin and top officials in his regime have escalated their nuclear threats in recent gains even as Ukraine has taken back more territory that Russian forces seized since its February invasion.

Biden also ridiculed the show of unity Putin organize for his announcement. Putin declared his country was absorbing territory it does not even control militarily. Tens of thousands of Russian men have been fleeing to neighboring countries where they can still travel amid the 'partial mobilization' Putin has announced.

'Putin’s actions are a sign he's struggling. The sham referendum he carried out and this team he put on … th sham routine that he put on this morning, showing the unity and people holding hands together,' Biden said.

VIDEO

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/09/30/19/62981463-11267955-image-a-15_1664562639140.jpg

'The United States is never going to recognize this. And quite frankly, the world's not going to recognize it either. He can't seize his neighbor’s territory and get away with it. It’s as as simple as that,' Biden intoned.

He underlined his comments by speaking to Putin directly, amid fears that the Russian leader could seek to further challenge the west by trying to go after a member of the NATO alliance. That could once again put the alliance's unity to the test, after nations have spent months rallying to the Ukrainian cause and shipping increasingly powerful weapons to the the nation on its eastern flank.

'I want to say this again. America's fully prepared with our NATO allies independent every single inch of NATO territory. Every single inch. So Mr. Putin, don't misunderstand what I'm saying. Every inch,' he said.

Biden said allies are 'going to stay the course to provide military equipment so that Ukraine can defend itself.' He pointed to the continuing resolution providing an additional $13 billion 'to help the Ukrainians defend themselves and fight back.'

He circled back to the Nord Stream pipeline, a day after admonishing a reporter who asked about it on a visit to FEMA headquarters as a storm pummeled Florida.

He called it a 'deliberate act of sabotage' and said now 'the Russians are pumping out disinformation and lies.'


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You are an American who defected to Russia, and make posts about how great it is over there.   You don’t help his argument by supporting it.

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You are an American who defected to Russia, and make posts about how great it is over there.   You don’t help his argument by supporting it.

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If you give any credence to the “Biden said he would blow it up” narrative, I must assume you were “ripe and accepting of that false narrative.”