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Quoted: Europe already came to terms with Putin’s dilly “Winter is Coming” meme. Given the situation, there was no way that pipeline was going to open this winter View Quote The protestors in Germany hadn't come to terms with what was happening. This article claims protestors wanted to "open Nordstream now". Why would Putin want to end his ability to sow division within Germany? He simply wouldn't want to end his opportunity to divide Germans because they were the weakest link in the EU's support for sanctions. You can continue to argue otherwise all you want but it's not convincing in the least. |
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Quoted: The protestors in Germany hadn't come to terms with what was happening. This article claims protestors wanted to "open Nordstream now". Why would Putin want to end his ability to sow division within Germany? He simply wouldn't want to end his opportunity to divide Germans because they were the weakest link in the EU's support for sanctions. You can continue to argue otherwise all you want but it's not convincing in the least. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Europe already came to terms with Putin’s dilly “Winter is Coming” meme. Given the situation, there was no way that pipeline was going to open this winter The protestors in Germany hadn't come to terms with what was happening. This article claims protestors wanted to "open Nordstream now". Why would Putin want to end his ability to sow division within Germany? He simply wouldn't want to end his opportunity to divide Germans because they were the weakest link in the EU's support for sanctions. You can continue to argue otherwise all you want but it's not convincing in the least. Irony. Clearly, the protesters believe the pipeline can be repaired. So, how is this ending "sowing division?" Here you are, in this thread, carrying more "division sowing" water for your newfound masters in the Kremlin. Nothing has stopped, it's only ramped up. But, your prices for natural gas are cheap. So it's all good. |
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Quoted: Oh my. Where EVERY did you find that meme. I can guess…. The US was NOT THERE testing drones. They were not there at all. That’s a lie. The Russian Navy WAS there, “detected” by everyone, conducting anti-submarine exercises. Given the circumstances, that pipeline was not going to be open this year, or next. View Quote Obviously I got it from my Russian handlers. Give me some time and I'll post the next one they send out here too. |
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Quoted: Irony. Clearly, the protesters believe the pipeline can be repaired. So, how is this ending "sowing division?" Here you are, in this thread, carrying more "division sowing" water for your newfound masters in the Kremlin. Nothing has stopped, it's only ramped up. But, your prices for natural gas are cheap. So it's all good. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Europe already came to terms with Putin’s dilly “Winter is Coming” meme. Given the situation, there was no way that pipeline was going to open this winter The protestors in Germany hadn't come to terms with what was happening. This article claims protestors wanted to "open Nordstream now". Why would Putin want to end his ability to sow division within Germany? He simply wouldn't want to end his opportunity to divide Germans because they were the weakest link in the EU's support for sanctions. You can continue to argue otherwise all you want but it's not convincing in the least. Irony. Clearly, the protesters believe the pipeline can be repaired. So, how is this ending "sowing division?" Here you are, in this thread, carrying more "division sowing" water for your newfound masters in the Kremlin. Nothing has stopped, it's only ramped up. But, your prices for natural gas are cheap. So it's all good. It might be able to be repaired but that would take considerable time IF someone decided to do it and IF it can be done. Clearly, it's a much more complicated and doubtful proposition that the natural gas from Russia could be turned back on. So now pointing out your weak logic is 'sowing division'? And you start attacking my motivations? Thanks for confirming that you have no viable response to my assertions. |
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Quoted: The protestors in Germany hadn't come to terms with what was happening. This article claims protestors wanted to "open Nordstream now". Why would Putin want to end his ability to sow division within Germany? He simply wouldn't want to end his opportunity to divide Germans because they were the weakest link in the EU's support for sanctions. You can continue to argue otherwise all you want but it's not convincing in the least. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Europe already came to terms with Putin’s dilly “Winter is Coming” meme. Given the situation, there was no way that pipeline was going to open this winter The protestors in Germany hadn't come to terms with what was happening. This article claims protestors wanted to "open Nordstream now". Why would Putin want to end his ability to sow division within Germany? He simply wouldn't want to end his opportunity to divide Germans because they were the weakest link in the EU's support for sanctions. You can continue to argue otherwise all you want but it's not convincing in the least. You are an American who defected to Russia and you don’t believe my denial of the Russian narrative? Shocking! |
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Before the pipeline was holed, Peter Zeihan talking about Russia using Nordstream to try to blackmail Germany to turn neutral with NATO. Of course it's not as effective in the summer/fall, but going into winter, it was going to be a big deal, and their people would be putting a ton of pressure on their government to make nice with Russia to stop the collapse. Pretty fucking obvious Russia didn't put a hole in their own blackmail.
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Quoted: It might be able to be repaired but that would take considerable time IF someone decided to do it and IF it can be done. Clearly, it's a much more complicated and doubtful proposition that the natural gas from Russia could be turned back on. So now pointing out your weak logic is 'sowing division'? And you start attacking my motivations? Thanks for confirming that you have no viable response to my assertions. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Europe already came to terms with Putin’s dilly “Winter is Coming” meme. Given the situation, there was no way that pipeline was going to open this winter The protestors in Germany hadn't come to terms with what was happening. This article claims protestors wanted to "open Nordstream now". Why would Putin want to end his ability to sow division within Germany? He simply wouldn't want to end his opportunity to divide Germans because they were the weakest link in the EU's support for sanctions. You can continue to argue otherwise all you want but it's not convincing in the least. Irony. Clearly, the protesters believe the pipeline can be repaired. So, how is this ending "sowing division?" Here you are, in this thread, carrying more "division sowing" water for your newfound masters in the Kremlin. Nothing has stopped, it's only ramped up. But, your prices for natural gas are cheap. So it's all good. It might be able to be repaired but that would take considerable time IF someone decided to do it and IF it can be done. Clearly, it's a much more complicated and doubtful proposition that the natural gas from Russia could be turned back on. So now pointing out your weak logic is 'sowing division'? And you start attacking my motivations? Thanks for confirming that you have no viable response to my assertions. Why do you think the pipeline was turned off in the first place? |
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Quoted: You are an American who defected to Russia and you don’t believe my denial of the Russian narrative? Shocking! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Europe already came to terms with Putin’s dilly “Winter is Coming” meme. Given the situation, there was no way that pipeline was going to open this winter The protestors in Germany hadn't come to terms with what was happening. This article claims protestors wanted to "open Nordstream now". Why would Putin want to end his ability to sow division within Germany? He simply wouldn't want to end his opportunity to divide Germans because they were the weakest link in the EU's support for sanctions. You can continue to argue otherwise all you want but it's not convincing in the least. You are an American who defected to Russia and you don’t believe my denial of the Russian narrative? Shocking! Well, at least you stopped repeating the same inane contention over and over. |
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Quoted: This isn't court "counselor". The US government did it like Biden said they would. Only liberals are casting blame everywhere except where it belongs. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: The statement referenced supports a theory of motivation. However, this is not evidence to support your claim of guilt. These are two separate things that you need to associate/link with evidence. This isn't court "counselor". The US government did it like Biden said they would. Only liberals are casting blame everywhere except where it belongs. If you want to have a discussion, then have. Stop with your nonsense about "liberals" this and that though. It weakens your point as I can assure you, we are not liberals. You speak in absolutes, yet your "proof" is something Biden said 7 months ago. It's odd that a so-called conservative trusts Biden's word so much. Are you sure YOU'RE not the liberal? |
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Quoted: Well, at least you stopped repeating the same inane contention over and over. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Europe already came to terms with Putin’s dilly “Winter is Coming” meme. Given the situation, there was no way that pipeline was going to open this winter The protestors in Germany hadn't come to terms with what was happening. This article claims protestors wanted to "open Nordstream now". Why would Putin want to end his ability to sow division within Germany? He simply wouldn't want to end his opportunity to divide Germans because they were the weakest link in the EU's support for sanctions. You can continue to argue otherwise all you want but it's not convincing in the least. You are an American who defected to Russia and you don’t believe my denial of the Russian narrative? Shocking! Well, at least you stopped repeating the same inane contention over and over. That Russia did it? Because the pipeline no longer offers leverage? Because Russia is going to act in a way that guarantees sanctions against the energy sector? That’s “inane,” huh? |
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Quoted: Well, at least you stopped repeating the same inane contention over and over. View Quote You defected to Russia? Whats wrong with you? If you hate the west so much, why do you use our technology and pollute arfcom? Surely there must be a soviet version of Arfcom, perhaps called GulagAK? I dunno... but likely you and maybe Steven Segal can swap midget porn videos or whatever it is you folks do over there all wasted on ditch water vodka... anyhow |
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Brilliant move. Now Russia has nothing in that sector to bargain with.
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I haven’t followed any of this but why would the biden admin blow up the pipeline? Its europes lifeline and its one of the best tools to get this situation fixed.
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Quoted: Brilliant move. Now Russia has nothing in that sector to bargain with. View Quote Russia supplied 40% of Europe's energy, that's a chunk. You can't replace that in 6 months. The infrastructure to transport that amount if fossile fuel doesn't just pop up like mushrooms. Renewables are a peak demand load shaping source at best. No amount of renewable energy without a heretofore non existent form of storage replaces the need for fossile fuels. Most of the energy is used in places other than where it's extracted. All this means is that no matter who blew the NS system...everybody is now committed. Cortez just burned his ships. I don't care if you've spent your adult life training to fight Russia or you still have some putin jiz on your chin...this is an escalation. There probably won't be an off ramp now. Russia is burning its future. |
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Quoted: This isn't court "counselor". The US government did it like Biden said they would. Only liberals are casting blame everywhere except where it belongs. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: The statement referenced supports a theory of motivation. However, this is not evidence to support your claim of guilt. These are two separate things that you need to associate/link with evidence. This isn't court "counselor". The US government did it like Biden said they would. Only liberals are casting blame everywhere except where it belongs. Only liberals, huh? |
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Wake me up when the Jews build a temple, a dude comes along and creates peace, and then declares himself God in said temple.
Then you’ll get my attention. |
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Quoted: So Germany would have to start using the NG they have stored. It's supposed to be a two month supply and Russia needs to break the EU's solidarity before Russia's army is driven out of Ukraine. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Why do you think the pipeline was turned off in the first place? So Germany would have to start using the NG they have stored. It's supposed to be a two month supply and Russia needs to break the EU's solidarity before Russia's army is driven out of Ukraine. So, you admit Russia lies as a basic part of its foreign policy? |
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Quoted: If you want to have a discussion, then have. Stop with your nonsense about "liberals" this and that though. It weakens your point as I can assure you, we are not liberals. You speak in absolutes, yet your "proof" is something Biden said 7 months ago. It's odd that a so-called conservative trusts Biden's word so much. Are you sure YOU'RE not the liberal? View Quote But Biden did say it though, right? I’m not trying to get at anything. I don’t want the news. Did he actually say it? |
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Quoted: There are other land based pipelines. Europe is still buying energy...and writing checks. Russia supplied 40% of Europe's energy, that's a chunk. You can't replace that in 6 months. The infrastructure to transport that amount if fossile fuel doesn't just pop up like mushrooms. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Brilliant move. Now Russia has nothing in that sector to bargain with. Russia supplied 40% of Europe's energy, that's a chunk. You can't replace that in 6 months. The infrastructure to transport that amount if fossile fuel doesn't just pop up like mushrooms. I wonder what percent of NS1 flow was delivery of long term contracts well below current spot rates? Oh well, not like any producing nation would use manipulation of supply to prop up prices. |
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Quoted: I'm sure this somehow brilliantly helps russia. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: All this means is that no matter who blew the NS system...everybody is now committed. Cortez just burned his ships. I'm sure this somehow brilliantly helps russia. How exactly does this “brilliantly” help Russia? |
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Who Sabotaged the Russian-German Pipeline? |
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Quoted: I wonder what percent of NS1 flow was delivery of long term contracts well below current spot rates? Oh well, not like any producing nation would use manipulation of supply to prop up prices. View Quote Now let's not bring any rational thought into this thread. - Contracts were still in place for delivery; abrogating contracts makes other customers (that you may want to keep) nervous - The breaches occured right on the fault lines between EEZs -- These locations allow a nice offramp to pre-empt any article 5 arguments; keep you safe from a NATO response It is fun to watch GD accuse the government of extremely complex, extremely high risk false flag operations in one thread, while calling it incompetent in another. |
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Quoted: Ah HA! lol Man, people are so gullible. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: PRESIDENT BIDEN: The first question first. If Germany — if Russia invades — that means tanks or troops crossing the — the border of Ukraine again — then there will be — we — there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it. CHANCELLOR SCHOLZ: As I’ve already said, we are acting together, we are absolutely united, and we will not be taking different steps. We will do the same steps, and they will be very, very hard to Russia, and they should understand. Man, people are so gullible. Quoted: The protestors in Germany hadn't come to terms with what was happening. This article claims protestors wanted to "open Nordstream now". Why would Putin want to end his ability to sow division within Germany? He simply wouldn't want to end his opportunity to divide Germans because they were the weakest link in the EU's support for sanctions. You can continue to argue otherwise all you want but it's not convincing in the least. |
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Quoted: It's absurdly easy to build a mini-sub that can place explosives. You don't even have to build one, they are for sale on the open market. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Being a SCUBA diver, I didn't realize it was so easy to dive so deep and blow something up! Almost 2,000 oil platforms in the Gulf of Mexico. Won't be pretty if this becomes commonplace. You can bet the oil companies know exactly what is in striking distance of their equipment/property; and have the means to offset the threat given their world wide operations in hostile regions. |
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Methane hydrate formation is my postulated causative factor. Pipeline operation is no joke, so the unmaintained (Russian maintenance...) pipelines, under cold water, where gas was not being pumped to keep moisture content and hydrate formation to a minimum. Hydrate plug is dislodged by attempted maintenance from one end of the pipeline (bleed down pressure. Plug (one of many that likely formed) goes flying down the pipeline, hits bend and boom. Russians with their fucked methods for shit maintenance on pipelines that had been under pressure but not moving gas, fucking destroyed the lines 17 hours apart by their own fuckup.
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Quoted: Methane hydrate formation is my postulated causative factor. Pipeline operation is no joke, so the unmaintained (Russian maintenance...) pipelines, under cold water, where gas was not being pumped to keep moisture content and hydrate formation to a minimum. Hydrate plug is dislodged by attempted maintenance from one end of the pipeline (bleed down pressure. Plug (one of many that likely formed) goes flying down the pipeline, hits bend and boom. Russians with their fucked methods for shit maintenance on pipelines that had been under pressure but not moving gas, fucking destroyed the lines 17 hours apart by their own fuckup. View Quote I'll laugh if we get to nuke the Russians to oblivion because they escalate after their fuck up. |
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Quoted: Methane hydrate formation is my postulated causative factor. Pipeline operation is no joke, so the unmaintained (Russian maintenance...) pipelines, under cold water, where gas was not being pumped to keep moisture content and hydrate formation to a minimum. Hydrate plug is dislodged by attempted maintenance from one end of the pipeline (bleed down pressure. Plug (one of many that likely formed) goes flying down the pipeline, hits bend and boom. Russians with their fucked methods for shit maintenance on pipelines that had been under pressure but not moving gas, fucking destroyed the lines 17 hours apart by their own fuckup. View Quote |
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View Quote LOL.....blow dis pipe and annex deez nutz |
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View Quote LOL. It's comical to watch them. |
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Quoted: It stretches credulity to think 4 leaks happened on two separate systems, none of which were flowing product, all within the same 24 hours and it wasn't intentional. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Methane hydrate formation is my postulated causative factor. Pipeline operation is no joke, so the unmaintained (Russian maintenance...) pipelines, under cold water, where gas was not being pumped to keep moisture content and hydrate formation to a minimum. Hydrate plug is dislodged by attempted maintenance from one end of the pipeline (bleed down pressure. Plug (one of many that likely formed) goes flying down the pipeline, hits bend and boom. Russians with their fucked methods for shit maintenance on pipelines that had been under pressure but not moving gas, fucking destroyed the lines 17 hours apart by their own fuckup. If the pipelines are cross connected at various points, are they really "separate systems"? |
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Ask yourself this:
Does your position on his topic coincidentally align with that of Putin? |
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Quoted: Ask yourself this: Does your position on his topic coincidentally align with that of Putin? The Useful Idiot response would be to ask if one’s position aligned with Biden. Is Biden America? View Quote Are you even listening to yourself? Attached File |
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Quoted: If you want to have a discussion, then have. Stop with your nonsense about "liberals" this and that though. It weakens your point as I can assure you, we are not liberals. View Quote Are the arfcom members that routinely accuse fellow Americans of being agents of Putin……upset about being called names they don’t like? That’s rich. |
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Quoted: Are the arfcom members that routinely accuse fellow Americans of being agents of Putin……upset about being called names they don’t like? That’s rich. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: If you want to have a discussion, then have. Stop with your nonsense about "liberals" this and that though. It weakens your point as I can assure you, we are not liberals. Are the arfcom members that routinely accuse fellow Americans of being agents of Putin……upset about being called names they don’t like? That’s rich. Only feminized liberals call people names for being right. |
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View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Ask yourself this: Does your position on his topic coincidentally align with that of Putin? The Useful Idiot response would be to ask if one’s position aligned with Biden. Is Biden America? Are you even listening to yourself? /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/476-342.gif I understand that you don’t get it. |
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Quoted: There are other land based pipelines. Europe is still buying energy...and writing checks. Russia supplied 40% of Europe's energy, that's a chunk. You can't replace that in 6 months. The infrastructure to transport that amount if fossile fuel doesn't just pop up like mushrooms. Renewables are a peak demand load shaping source at best. No amount of renewable energy without a heretofore non existent form of storage replaces the need for fossile fuels. Most of the energy is used in places other than where it's extracted. All this means is that no matter who blew the NS system...everybody is now committed. Cortez just burned his ships. I don't care if you've spent your adult life training to fight Russia or you still have some putin jiz on your chin...this is an escalation. There probably won't be an off ramp now. Russia is burning its future. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Brilliant move. Now Russia has nothing in that sector to bargain with. Russia supplied 40% of Europe's energy, that's a chunk. You can't replace that in 6 months. The infrastructure to transport that amount if fossile fuel doesn't just pop up like mushrooms. Renewables are a peak demand load shaping source at best. No amount of renewable energy without a heretofore non existent form of storage replaces the need for fossile fuels. Most of the energy is used in places other than where it's extracted. All this means is that no matter who blew the NS system...everybody is now committed. Cortez just burned his ships. I don't care if you've spent your adult life training to fight Russia or you still have some putin jiz on your chin...this is an escalation. There probably won't be an off ramp now. Russia is burning its future. Shhhhhh! You aren't supposed to know all that. "We" blew up the only chance for all of Europe to survive the most brutal winter in history of winter. |
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Quoted: But Biden did say it though, right? I'm not trying to get at anything. I don't want the news. Did he actually say it? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: If you want to have a discussion, then have. Stop with your nonsense about "liberals" this and that though. It weakens your point as I can assure you, we are not liberals. You speak in absolutes, yet your "proof" is something Biden said 7 months ago. It's odd that a so-called conservative trusts Biden's word so much. Are you sure YOU'RE not the liberal? But Biden did say it though, right? I'm not trying to get at anything. I don't want the news. Did he actually say it? Yes he did, 7 months ago. It's relevance today is pretty questionable. |
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Quoted: Are the arfcom members that routinely accuse fellow Americans of being agents of Putin upset about being called names they don't like? That's rich. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: If you want to have a discussion, then have. Stop with your nonsense about "liberals" this and that though. It weakens your point as I can assure you, we are not liberals. Are the arfcom members that routinely accuse fellow Americans of being agents of Putin upset about being called names they don't like? That's rich. Stop parroting actual Kremlin talking points and you won't be called agents of Putin. I'm not upset about anything, but the liberal name calling is ridiculous. |
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Quoted: Putin breathes oxygen, you’d better stop respirating yourself, it’s supporting Communism. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Ask yourself this: Does your position on his topic coincidentally align with that of Putin? Putin breathes oxygen, you’d better stop respirating yourself, it’s supporting Communism. Irony. You aren’t even aware, are you? |
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