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Or for FIA to acknowledge that the cost cap is stupid … and get rid of it
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Quoted: Or for FIA to acknowledge that the cost cap is stupid … and get rid of it View Quote I honestly don't see that happening again. I think they feel the mid pack battles have tighten up...hell even the front of the pack is really just 1 team and everyone else is fairly close at this point. |
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Quoted: Throw out Hungary and it gets pretty close again, last year was an anomaly for the Hungaroring, the track is a turd. I’ll have to get his book for sure. Interesting man who’s lived a hell of a life. Listing to him get choked up talking about all the funerals he had to attend for his friends over his career makes it easy to understand why he hung it up when he did. View Quote He talked about it in the Fangio document on Netflix as well. It is pretty sobering. |
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Quoted: The Hungaroring paddock was alight with rumors that several teams have majorly busted the cost cap, due in no small part to Red Bull getting what was basically a parking ticket for doing so. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Anyone noticing Merc is on the Attack through the rags against Redbull even more than usual after this past weekends race? The Hungaroring paddock was alight with rumors that several teams have majorly busted the cost cap, due in no small part to Red Bull getting what was basically a parking ticket for doing so. Is this a "If every driver in a race gets a 5 second penalty, then the outcome of the race is the same" or "they can't send us all to jail!" situation |
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Quoted: Interesting analysis (in italian) showing the real potential of the RB-19 Look at the rpm when max did his 1.20.5 in hard tires when everybody else was at best at 1.22.3-6 . He must have been real bored to purposely show this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzFGyIuVMHY In the comments someone thinks one of their secret is using non Newtonian fluids in the suspensions/shock absorber that can be interacted with, to change their properly, allowing some new form of active suspension. In fact, if you look at the RB-19 she has very little pitch or roll movements on track, and can be extremely low where it needs, while being 100% legal while coming back at the pits. And apparently, there is absolutely no rules about the fluid used in the suspensions/shock absorbers. The Rb-19 is compared to the Williams FW15C in the way it operates. Another gem from newey View Quote Dude, the non Newtonian fluid was a joke by Scarbs @scarbstech. I hope you’re joking, or else you’re extremely gullible.
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FRIDAY 07/28 FP1 7:30AM - ESPN2 QUALI 11AM - ESPN2 SATURDAY 07/29 SPRINT SHOOTOUT 6AM - ESPN2 SPRINT 10:30AM - ESPN2 SUNDAY 07/30 RACE 9AM - ESPN Five Brilliant Battles at the Belgian Grand Prix |
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So I scored tickets to go with some family and friends to the 2024 Canadian GP. Has anyone gone before? I have race tickets only and will be sitting turn 10 / 11 area. What is a good hotel or area to stay? Is it a pain in the ass to get in (timewise) or is it fairly quick. Tickets are all I have secured so far. Any insight is greatly appreciated!
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Quoted: So I scored tickets to go with some family and friends to the 2024 Canadian GP. Has anyone gone before? I have race tickets only and will be sitting turn 10 / 11 area. What is a good hotel or area to stay? Is it a pain in the ass to get in (timewise) or is it fairly quick. Tickets are all I have secured so far. Any insight is greatly appreciated! View Quote |
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Quoted: BELGIAN GRAND PRIX SCHEDULE FRIDAY 07/28 FP1 7:30AM - ESPN2 QUALI 11AM - ESPN2 SATURDAY 07/29 SPRINT SHOOTOUT 6AM - ESPN2 SPRINT 10:30AM - ESPN2 SUNDAY 07/30 RACE 9AM - ESPN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBDOZ8l1BhE View Quote If we don’t get a decent race at spa this year I’m going to fucking kill myself. |
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Quoted: If we don’t get a decent race at spa this year I’m going to fucking kill myself. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: BELGIAN GRAND PRIX SCHEDULE FRIDAY 07/28 FP1 7:30AM - ESPN2 QUALI 11AM - ESPN2 SATURDAY 07/29 SPRINT SHOOTOUT 6AM - ESPN2 SPRINT 10:30AM - ESPN2 SUNDAY 07/30 RACE 9AM - ESPN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBDOZ8l1BhE If we don’t get a decent race at spa this year I’m going to fucking kill myself. It is going to rain all weekend. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: BELGIAN GRAND PRIX SCHEDULE FRIDAY 07/28 FP1 7:30AM - ESPN2 QUALI 11AM - ESPN2 SATURDAY 07/29 SPRINT SHOOTOUT 6AM - ESPN2 SPRINT 10:30AM - ESPN2 SUNDAY 07/30 RACE 9AM - ESPN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBDOZ8l1BhE If we don’t get a decent race at spa this year I’m going to fucking kill myself. It is going to rain all weekend. Good. Unless there is too much rain and they puss out again or the helicopters can’t fly |
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View Quote Good. Should have been shown the door the same time as Binotto. |
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Quoted: Quoted: So I scored tickets to go with some family and friends to the 2024 Canadian GP. Has anyone gone before? I have race tickets only and will be sitting turn 10 / 11 area. What is a good hotel or area to stay? Is it a pain in the ass to get in (timewise) or is it fairly quick. Tickets are all I have secured so far. Any insight is greatly appreciated! Thanks for the at tifosi! @drewptwo I may have been there a few times! As seen below my son and I were at that turn this year and at 08/09 turn in 2022. I did the F1 experiences package that got us a bus from the hotel everyday. We stayed at the residence inn, courtyard by Marriot airport location (2 connected hotels) but our first year there a father and his young 6 year old son took the airport shuttle everyday to the airport and caught the metro from there. I think a number of people did, also a Walmart is walkable to from the hotel so you can get snacks and water. Any other questions as the time gets closer let me know. Attached File Attached File |
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I'm going to make some bold predictions about this weekend's race:
Max wins. Checo fucks up at some point. McLaren does well. Ferrari fucks up at some point. Lewis Hamilton whines about something. Ricciardo does better than Yuki. Call me crazy, but it's a gut feeling. |
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Quoted: I'm going to make some bold predictions about this weekend's race: Max wins. Checo fucks up at some point. McLaren does well. Ferrari fucks up at some point. Lewis Hamilton whines about something. Ricciardo does better than Yuki. Call me crazy, but it's a gut feeling. View Quote Easy there nostradamus!! ?? |
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Quoted: I'm going to make some bold predictions about this weekend's race: Max wins. Checo fucks up at some point. McLaren does well. Ferrari fucks up at some point. Lewis Hamilton whines about something. Ricciardo does better than Yuki. Call me crazy, but it's a gut feeling. View Quote |
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Quoted: Quoted: I'm going to make some bold predictions about this weekend's race: Max wins. Checo fucks up at some point. McLaren does well. Ferrari fucks up at some point. Lewis Hamilton whines about something. Ricciardo does better than Yuki. Call me crazy, but it's a gut feeling. Easy there nostradamus!! ?? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm going to make some bold predictions about this weekend's race: Max wins. Checo fucks up at some point. McLaren does well. Ferrari fucks up at some point. Lewis Hamilton whines about something. Ricciardo does better than Yuki. Call me crazy, but it's a gut feeling. Easy there nostradamus!! |
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Quoted: Thanks for the at tifosi! @drewptwo I may have been there a few times! As seen below my son and I were at that turn this year and at 08/09 turn in 2022. I did the F1 experiences package that got us a bus from the hotel everyday. We stayed at the residence inn, courtyard by Marriot airport location (2 connected hotels) but our first year there a father and his young 6 year old son took the airport shuttle everyday to the airport and caught the metro from there. I think a number of people did, also a Walmart is walkable to from the hotel so you can get snacks and water. Any other questions as the time gets closer let me know. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/262944/IMG_4797_jpeg-2899545.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/262944/IMG_4806_jpeg-2899547.JPG View Quote Awesome, thanks for the info! How far ahead did you need to book the hotel room? You going again in 2024? Cheers to @tifosi for the call out, and thanks @Auxcoastie for the info! |
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Quoted: Good. Unless there is too much rain and they puss out again or the helicopters can’t fly View Quote
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Quoted: I'm going to make some bold predictions about this weekend's race: Max wins. Checo fucks up at some point. McLaren does well. Ferrari fucks up at some point. Lewis Hamilton whines about something. Ricciardo does better than Yuki. Call me crazy, but it's a gut feeling. View Quote |
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Miami Presale is up.
Cheapest seats are $675 for all 3 days. Turn 1 looks to be $1300. Start/Finish $1600 |
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Quoted: I've been the past two years, going to sit next year out. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Miami Presale is up. Cheapest seats are $675 for all 3 days. Turn 1 looks to be $1300. Start/Finish $1600 I've been the past two years, going to sit next year out. Probably going to do the same for COTA in 2024 after watching our seats double over the last few years. |
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Quoted: At this point, there's no way RB broke it again. AM, Mclaren...and I'd say Mercedes....but RB knows they won't get mercy this go around if they did it twice. View Quote As a massive car manufacturing company, couldn’t Mercedes easily hide R&D spending in the AMG Division or elsewhere? Or does the cost cap not limit R&D? |
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Quoted: As a massive car manufacturing company, couldn't Mercedes easily hide R&D spending in the AMG Division or elsewhere? Or does the cost cap not limit R&D? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: At this point, there's no way RB broke it again. AM, Mclaren...and I'd say Mercedes....but RB knows they won't get mercy this go around if they did it twice. As a massive car manufacturing company, couldn't Mercedes easily hide R&D spending in the AMG Division or elsewhere? Or does the cost cap not limit R&D? Even Alpine and Ferrari, who have WEC programs which would seem a logical place to develop their racecar tech, would be of very limited benefit to F1. The entire chassis/aero is apples and oranges. The suspension designs are very different, as is the braking system. The PU's are different. Hell, each of those cars (F1 and WEC) are designed for completely different parameters of competition. About the only thing I can think of that might benefit from some crossover is some of the electrical systems. Maybe some of the regenerative charging and whatnot. I'm not of the opinion that F1 teams are really hiding R&D in these other programs, not to any meaningful degree. At most, it gives them a place to train up engineers and other staff if they need to pull from their own employee pool to fill spots in the F1 department. |
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Quoted: Awesome, thanks for the info! How far ahead did you need to book the hotel room? You going again in 2024? Cheers to @tifosi for the call out, and thanks @Auxcoastie for the info! View Quote My hotel was part of my F1 Experiences package so no idea, being the planner that I am I would book the hotel today and lock in whatever rate that you can get. Our room was a solid business hotel room and was fine. Never had a hotel complain about getting my money to early. My son and I will not be going again, 2 years in a row is good and now that he is older father/son vacations are going to switch to hunting adventures. We can do some cool stuff for what F1 costs. Lots of other motorsports to get him to like NEFR, Lime Rock etc. Tips from this year off the top of my head, take your own water and snacks. Food was expensive at the track, and some places did not take AMEX so take a second card. Get out of your seat and explore but enjoy the other race series. ABOVE ALL, BUY AND BRING GOOD WATERPROOF WALKING SHOES AND A GOOD RAIN JACKET!!!!!! My ass had gotten rained on 2 years in a row and the first year my son has a nice and expensive Ferrari sweatshirt from 2022. Also buy a butt cushion or stadium seat because the bleachers get cold and hard. |
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Quoted: At this point, there's no way RB broke it again. AM, Mclaren...and I'd say Mercedes....but RB knows they won't get mercy this go around if they did it twice. View Quote I wouldn’t be suprised if RB broke it again due to organizational inertia. Remember the 2021 penalties came late in 2022. So if they were on a similar financial plan in 2022, would they have been able to make enough changes rapidly to avoid going over again if they believed they were fine from 2021 and then getting a shock. |
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View Quote Really don't want to see a chicane at Eau Rouge like the 1994 season. |
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Quoted: I wouldn’t be suprised if RB broke it again due to organizational inertia. Remember the 2021 penalties came late in 2022. So if they were on a similar financial plan in 2022, would they have been able to make enough changes rapidly to avoid going over again if they believed they were fine from 2021 and then getting a shock. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: I wouldn’t be suprised if RB broke it again due to organizational inertia. Remember the 2021 penalties came late in 2022. So if they were on a similar financial plan in 2022, would they have been able to make enough changes rapidly to avoid going over again if they believed they were fine from 2021 and then getting a shock. FWIW: Christian Horner has revealed Red Bull were "several million" below the F1 cost cap in 2022, amid ongoing fieldwork from the FIA into last year's financial submissions from the teams. |
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View Quote Horner was also very confident they were below the 2021 cost cap. Don’t get me wrong I’m a RB fan but I’m anticipating the worst. |
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Quoted: I would believe it's very limited on what good R&D you'll get elsewhere within an organization like that. Even Alpine and Ferrari, who have WEC programs which would seem a logical place to develop their racecar tech, would be of very limited benefit to F1. The entire chassis/aero is apples and oranges. The suspension designs are very different, as is the braking system. The PU's are different. Hell, each of those cars (F1 and WEC) are designed for completely different parameters of competition. About the only thing I can think of that might benefit from some crossover is some of the electrical systems. Maybe some of the regenerative charging and whatnot. I'm not of the opinion that F1 teams are really hiding R&D in these other programs, not to any meaningful degree. At most, it gives them a place to train up engineers and other staff if they need to pull from their own employee pool to fill spots in the F1 department. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: At this point, there's no way RB broke it again. AM, Mclaren...and I'd say Mercedes....but RB knows they won't get mercy this go around if they did it twice. As a massive car manufacturing company, couldn't Mercedes easily hide R&D spending in the AMG Division or elsewhere? Or does the cost cap not limit R&D? Even Alpine and Ferrari, who have WEC programs which would seem a logical place to develop their racecar tech, would be of very limited benefit to F1. The entire chassis/aero is apples and oranges. The suspension designs are very different, as is the braking system. The PU's are different. Hell, each of those cars (F1 and WEC) are designed for completely different parameters of competition. About the only thing I can think of that might benefit from some crossover is some of the electrical systems. Maybe some of the regenerative charging and whatnot. I'm not of the opinion that F1 teams are really hiding R&D in these other programs, not to any meaningful degree. At most, it gives them a place to train up engineers and other staff if they need to pull from their own employee pool to fill spots in the F1 department. The “loophole” they recently tried to close is “research” when developing limited production customer cars. For instance, a vehicle can be designed for track use only offering a Formula 1 experience (ground effects). None of the ground effects research on the project would be under the cap and it wouldn’t be fixed to any racing body regulations (WEC). You could go down any research path in the name of improving “customer experience”. |
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Quoted: The "loophole" they recently tried to close is "research" when developing limited production customer cars. For instance, a vehicle can be designed for track use only offering a Formula 1 experience (ground effects). None of the ground effects research on the project would be under the cap and it wouldn't be fixed to any racing body regulations (WEC). You could go down any research path in the name of improving "customer experience". View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: At this point, there's no way RB broke it again. AM, Mclaren...and I'd say Mercedes....but RB knows they won't get mercy this go around if they did it twice. As a massive car manufacturing company, couldn't Mercedes easily hide R&D spending in the AMG Division or elsewhere? Or does the cost cap not limit R&D? Even Alpine and Ferrari, who have WEC programs which would seem a logical place to develop their racecar tech, would be of very limited benefit to F1. The entire chassis/aero is apples and oranges. The suspension designs are very different, as is the braking system. The PU's are different. Hell, each of those cars (F1 and WEC) are designed for completely different parameters of competition. About the only thing I can think of that might benefit from some crossover is some of the electrical systems. Maybe some of the regenerative charging and whatnot. I'm not of the opinion that F1 teams are really hiding R&D in these other programs, not to any meaningful degree. At most, it gives them a place to train up engineers and other staff if they need to pull from their own employee pool to fill spots in the F1 department. The "loophole" they recently tried to close is "research" when developing limited production customer cars. For instance, a vehicle can be designed for track use only offering a Formula 1 experience (ground effects). None of the ground effects research on the project would be under the cap and it wouldn't be fixed to any racing body regulations (WEC). You could go down any research path in the name of improving "customer experience". It is just a tiny bit fishy that both Aston Martin and Mercedes recently designed track-only hypercars that are "very similar to the performance of an F1 car". |
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Quoted: It is just a tiny bit fishy that both Aston Martin and Mercedes recently designed track-only hypercars that are "very similar to the performance of an F1 car". View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: At this point, there's no way RB broke it again. AM, Mclaren...and I'd say Mercedes....but RB knows they won't get mercy this go around if they did it twice. As a massive car manufacturing company, couldn't Mercedes easily hide R&D spending in the AMG Division or elsewhere? Or does the cost cap not limit R&D? Even Alpine and Ferrari, who have WEC programs which would seem a logical place to develop their racecar tech, would be of very limited benefit to F1. The entire chassis/aero is apples and oranges. The suspension designs are very different, as is the braking system. The PU's are different. Hell, each of those cars (F1 and WEC) are designed for completely different parameters of competition. About the only thing I can think of that might benefit from some crossover is some of the electrical systems. Maybe some of the regenerative charging and whatnot. I'm not of the opinion that F1 teams are really hiding R&D in these other programs, not to any meaningful degree. At most, it gives them a place to train up engineers and other staff if they need to pull from their own employee pool to fill spots in the F1 department. The "loophole" they recently tried to close is "research" when developing limited production customer cars. For instance, a vehicle can be designed for track use only offering a Formula 1 experience (ground effects). None of the ground effects research on the project would be under the cap and it wouldn't be fixed to any racing body regulations (WEC). You could go down any research path in the name of improving "customer experience". It is just a tiny bit fishy that both Aston Martin and Mercedes recently designed track-only hypercars that are "very similar to the performance of an F1 car". To be fair, both the Valkyrie and One were developed well before the budget cap went into place. The Valkyrie was also really a Newey project pre Stroll when AM were a Red Bull sponsor. |
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Quoted: Dude, the non Newtonian fluid was a joke by Scarbs @scarbstech. I hope you’re joking, or else you’re extremely gullible.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/500232/IMG_9350_png-2898685.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/500232/IMG_9351_png-2898693.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Interesting analysis (in italian) showing the real potential of the RB-19 Look at the rpm when max did his 1.20.5 in hard tires when everybody else was at best at 1.22.3-6 . He must have been real bored to purposely show this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzFGyIuVMHY In the comments someone thinks one of their secret is using non Newtonian fluids in the suspensions/shock absorber that can be interacted with, to change their properly, allowing some new form of active suspension. In fact, if you look at the RB-19 she has very little pitch or roll movements on track, and can be extremely low where it needs, while being 100% legal while coming back at the pits. And apparently, there is absolutely no rules about the fluid used in the suspensions/shock absorbers. The Rb-19 is compared to the Williams FW15C in the way it operates. Another gem from newey Dude, the non Newtonian fluid was a joke by Scarbs @scarbstech. I hope you’re joking, or else you’re extremely gullible.
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View Quote Congrats to Max on his Belgian GP victory from 6th on the grid! He'll probably still start ahead of Perez too lol |
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Well...SPA's weather is looking like its going to be a shit show.
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The outcome of an F1 Commission meeting held earlier today has been published in the past few minutes. The biggest update is the decision to postpone the planned dry tyre blanket ban by at least another year - with a statement saying discussion and further testing will continue "into 2025". On the subject of power unit parity, the Commission also said there was "one such notable performance gap between competitors" and that it "discussed ways to remedy this discrepancy". Alpine (or Renault) is the competitor in question View Quote |
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