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Posted: 3/8/2021 9:57:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dak didn’t have an option year. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Gross mismanagement. Patrick Mahomes became eligible for an extension after the 2019 season. I'm not sure of the exact date, so let's call it the Super Bowl. He signed his extension on July 6th. It took 5 months to get through the draft, move some pieces around, and get it done, and I don't think there were any rumors of tension at any point. Dak was eligible after the 2018 season. They made him play through his option year, and then they tagged him. The whole time, Dak was increasing his own value and gaining leverage with some surprise help from the COVIDocalypse. I'm no capologist, but I'm pretty sure this chain of events cost Dallas a LOT more than it would have if they'd have paid Dak when he became eligible. Dak didn’t have an option year. Well... whatever you want to call it. Making good players at important positions play through the last season of their rookie deal is almost always a bad idea that costs more in the long run. You want to do that to a RB? Fine. An average guy at a skill position? Maybe. A franchise QB? Roflcopters. |
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Posted: 3/8/2021 10:00:05 PM EDT
[#2]
They could have just traded for Wilson and saved some money.
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Posted: 3/8/2021 10:03:03 PM EDT
[#3]
Skins need to lock this guy up, but some are saying applying the tag gives them more time to iron out a deal. |
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Posted: 3/8/2021 10:09:57 PM EDT
[#4]
Interesting... |
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Posted: 3/8/2021 10:11:44 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well... whatever you want to call it. Making good players at important positions play through the last season of their rookie deal is almost always a bad idea that costs more in the long run. You want to do that to a RB? Fine. An average guy at a skill position? Maybe. A franchise QB? Roflcopters. Meh. Just like Cousins Dak was a 4th rounder. Both organizations failed miserably to address the situation. They dicked around with a starting caliber QB and ended up vastly overpaying for them. At least the Redskins realized a year too late that not paying the guy that kind of money was a bad idea. |
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Posted: 3/8/2021 10:15:52 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh. Just like Cousins Dak was a 4th rounder. Both organizations failed miserably to address the situation. They dicked around with a starting caliber QB and ended up vastly overpaying for them. At least the Redskins realized a year too late that not paying the guy that kind of money was a bad idea. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well... whatever you want to call it. Making good players at important positions play through the last season of their rookie deal is almost always a bad idea that costs more in the long run. You want to do that to a RB? Fine. An average guy at a skill position? Maybe. A franchise QB? Roflcopters. Meh. Just like Cousins Dak was a 4th rounder. Both organizations failed miserably to address the situation. They dicked around with a starting caliber QB and ended up vastly overpaying for them. At least the Redskins realized a year too late that not paying the guy that kind of money was a bad idea. And how'd that work out for the WTF?... |
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Posted: 3/8/2021 10:20:11 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And how'd that work out for the WTF?... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well... whatever you want to call it. Making good players at important positions play through the last season of their rookie deal is almost always a bad idea that costs more in the long run. You want to do that to a RB? Fine. An average guy at a skill position? Maybe. A franchise QB? Roflcopters. Meh. Just like Cousins Dak was a 4th rounder. Both organizations failed miserably to address the situation. They dicked around with a starting caliber QB and ended up vastly overpaying for them. At least the Redskins realized a year too late that not paying the guy that kind of money was a bad idea. And how'd that work out for the WTF?... I think this is what the Redskins should officially make their name. |
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Posted: 3/8/2021 10:25:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think this is what the Redskins should officially make their name. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well... whatever you want to call it. Making good players at important positions play through the last season of their rookie deal is almost always a bad idea that costs more in the long run. You want to do that to a RB? Fine. An average guy at a skill position? Maybe. A franchise QB? Roflcopters. Meh. Just like Cousins Dak was a 4th rounder. Both organizations failed miserably to address the situation. They dicked around with a starting caliber QB and ended up vastly overpaying for them. At least the Redskins realized a year too late that not paying the guy that kind of money was a bad idea. And how'd that work out for the WTF?... I think this is what the Redskins should officially make their name. If you hadn't noticed, I've been deliberately calling them that all season.  It's comfortable, it rolls off the keyboard naturally, and it's befitting of the franchise. 
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Posted: 3/8/2021 10:28:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And how'd that work out for the WTF?... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well... whatever you want to call it. Making good players at important positions play through the last season of their rookie deal is almost always a bad idea that costs more in the long run. You want to do that to a RB? Fine. An average guy at a skill position? Maybe. A franchise QB? Roflcopters. Meh. Just like Cousins Dak was a 4th rounder. Both organizations failed miserably to address the situation. They dicked around with a starting caliber QB and ended up vastly overpaying for them. At least the Redskins realized a year too late that not paying the guy that kind of money was a bad idea. And how'd that work out for the WTF?... about as well as its worked out for the vikings. |
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Posted: 3/8/2021 10:38:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: about as well as its worked out for the vikings. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well... whatever you want to call it. Making good players at important positions play through the last season of their rookie deal is almost always a bad idea that costs more in the long run. You want to do that to a RB? Fine. An average guy at a skill position? Maybe. A franchise QB? Roflcopters. Meh. Just like Cousins Dak was a 4th rounder. Both organizations failed miserably to address the situation. They dicked around with a starting caliber QB and ended up vastly overpaying for them. At least the Redskins realized a year too late that not paying the guy that kind of money was a bad idea. And how'd that work out for the WTF?... about as well as its worked out for the vikings. I don't want to trigger some football PTSD or whatever, but the WTF traded Kendall Fuller and a 3rd round pick to bring on Alex Smith, and then they gave him a 4 year, $94M contract. At the time, Smith and Cousins were statistically similar, and Smith was four years older. Even if we look past Smith's catastrophic injury, the WTF chose poorly. If they would have paid Cousins when he was eligible, they could have avoided all of that. Would they have been contenders? Most likely not. But it would have been less costly in the long run. |
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Posted: 3/8/2021 10:47:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/8/2021 10:50:42 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't want to trigger some football PTSD or whatever, but the WTF traded Kendall Fuller and a 3rd round pick to bring on Alex Smith, and then they gave him a 4 year, $94M contract. At the time, Smith and Cousins were statistically similar, and Smith was four years older. Even if we look past Smith's catastrophic injury, the WTF chose poorly. If they would have paid Cousins when he was eligible, they could have avoided all of that. Would they have been contenders? Most likely not. But it would have been less costly in the long run. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well... whatever you want to call it. Making good players at important positions play through the last season of their rookie deal is almost always a bad idea that costs more in the long run. You want to do that to a RB? Fine. An average guy at a skill position? Maybe. A franchise QB? Roflcopters. Meh. Just like Cousins Dak was a 4th rounder. Both organizations failed miserably to address the situation. They dicked around with a starting caliber QB and ended up vastly overpaying for them. At least the Redskins realized a year too late that not paying the guy that kind of money was a bad idea. And how'd that work out for the WTF?... about as well as its worked out for the vikings. I don't want to trigger some football PTSD or whatever, but the WTF traded Kendall Fuller and a 3rd round pick to bring on Alex Smith, and then they gave him a 4 year, $94M contract. At the time, Smith and Cousins were statistically similar, and Smith was four years older. Even if we look past Smith's catastrophic injury, the WTF chose poorly. If they would have paid Cousins when he was eligible, they could have avoided all of that. Would they have been contenders? Most likely not. But it would have been less costly in the long run. oh i 100% agree and it's no bother to me  .they royally fucked the cousins situation, but i'm still glad they didn't make him a franchise QB. they possibly wouldn't have hit as rock bottom as they did, but i'm not sure how much better they would've done either. we don't have any vikings fans in here, but i'm pretty sure they aren't happy their franchise gave cousins $150 guaranteed over 5 years. that's a lot of money for a guy who can't even get out of the divisional round. |
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Posted: 3/8/2021 10:58:17 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And how'd that work out for the WTF?... They tried one year to many on cousins but it’s hard to judge the outcome. They moved on, their veteran suffered a terrible injury and their top ten QB pick is no longer with the team. Freak injuries and a bad draft pick aside It was the right move. |
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Posted: 3/8/2021 11:01:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And how'd that work out for the WTF?... .. |
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Posted: 3/8/2021 11:07:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't want to trigger some football PTSD or whatever, but the WTF traded Kendall Fuller and a 3rd round pick to bring on Alex Smith, and then they gave him a 4 year, $94M contract. At the time, Smith and Cousins were statistically similar, and Smith was four years older. Even if we look past Smith's catastrophic injury, the WTF chose poorly. If they would have paid Cousins when he was eligible, they could have avoided all of that. Would they have been contenders? Most likely not. But it would have been less costly in the long run. Avoided what exactly? They chose not to pay cousins and ride out one year deals. Even if they paid him I doubt much if anything changes where they are now. Other than having Cousins on an expensive deal (which wouldn’t help them) |
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Posted: 3/8/2021 11:07:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/8/2021 11:18:25 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Interesting... For MONTHS they have been talking about how negotiations were for DOUBLE the price of the last contract. THAT was tipping off the pending cap increase. 
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Posted: 3/8/2021 11:18:47 PM EDT
[#18]
Dolphins traded a 7th round pick for Tennessee 1st round pick last season. Wilson could mean the right tackle and move hunt inside. Kid better get his head on straight
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Posted: 3/8/2021 11:20:09 PM EDT
[#19]
So in the end the Titans gave up their 2020 1st, their 2022 7th, and a few million dollars in order to get the Dolphins 2021 7th.  |
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Posted: 3/8/2021 11:37:39 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dolphins traded a 7th round pick for Tennessee 1st round pick last season. Wilson could mean the right tackle and move hunt inside. Kid better get his head on straight He was the Titans 1st round 2020 pick, he played two snaps (both were kneel downs, IIRC) his rookie season, and the Titans (who obviously know him better than any other team) took a hit just to get him off the team. It might be a tad bit overly optimistic to think he's going to start at right tackle. Personally, for that kind of investment, I would have given him one more year, but they must have REALLY had zero faith in him turning it around. |
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Posted: 3/8/2021 11:45:45 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He was the Titans 1st round 2020 pick, he played two snaps (both were kneel downs, IIRC) his rookie season, and the Titans (who obviously know him better than any other team) took a hit just to get him off the team. It might be a tad bit overly optimistic to think he's going to start at right tackle. Personally, for that kind of investment, I would have given him one more year, but they must have REALLY had zero faith in him turning it around. Reserve/Covid list Trespass notice at a college party where drugs were present DUI Reserve/Covid list again Playing debut (4 total snaps) Suspended by the team for rules violation Placed on the non-injury reserve for "personal issues" Team questioned his commitment Said he was done playing for them Not sure there was anything to bring back after that year. |
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Posted: 3/9/2021 12:46:53 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Reserve/Covid list Trespass notice at a college party where drugs were present DUI Reserve/Covid list again Playing debut (4 total snaps) Suspended by the team for rules violation Placed on the non-injury reserve for "personal issues" Team questioned his commitment Said he was done playing for them Not sure there was anything to bring back after that year. |
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Posted: 3/9/2021 1:22:02 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Interesting... 8-8! |
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Posted: 3/9/2021 7:46:15 AM EDT
[#24]
So what do the Colts need in the draft? They have a standard slate of picks minus the 3rd rounder. Looking over the roster, maybe a WR or DB in the first?
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Posted: 3/9/2021 8:33:24 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So what do the Colts need in the draft? They have a standard slate of picks minus the 3rd rounder. Looking over the roster, maybe a WR or DB in the first? LOL.... Clearly they need a QB |
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Posted: 3/9/2021 8:35:43 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL.... Clearly they need a QB Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So what do the Colts need in the draft? They have a standard slate of picks minus the 3rd rounder. Looking over the roster, maybe a WR or DB in the first? LOL.... Clearly they need a QB  
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Posted: 3/9/2021 9:54:16 AM EDT
[#27]
[NFL Update on Twitter] Terms: #Patriots traded a 2022 5th-round pick to the #Raiders for OT Trent Brown and a 2022 7th-round pick, per globejimmcbride. A classic New England move.
[Patriots] As part of his new contract, future #Patriots OT Trent Brown will be a free agent after 2021 a year earlier than planned. He'll make $11M this season, with the chance to cash in again. [Spotrac] The #Raiders have now cleared $49.3M of 2021 cap space by... Releasing: OG Gabe Jackson, OG Richie Incognito, S LaMarcus Joyner, WR Tyrell Williams; Trading OT Trent Brown |
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Posted: 3/9/2021 9:54:56 AM EDT
[#28]
In 14 years with the Cowboys, Tony Romo earned $125M Dak just got $126M guaranteed.
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Posted: 3/9/2021 9:57:50 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They have been searching hard for their next QB. I wonder if Wilson would be a good fit except I don't think the Colts are one of his 4 blessed teams. |
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Posted: 3/9/2021 11:01:28 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They have been searching hard for their next QB. I wonder if Wilson would be a good fit except I don't think the Colts are one of his 4 blessed teams. I thought Reich was going to rehab Wentz and get him back to mvp form? Or did I dream that? |
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Posted: 3/9/2021 11:09:05 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought Reich was going to rehab Wentz and get him back to mvp form? Or did I dream that? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They have been searching hard for their next QB. I wonder if Wilson would be a good fit except I don't think the Colts are one of his 4 blessed teams. I thought Reich was going to rehab Wentz and get him back to mvp form? Or did I dream that? That's the notion. 
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Posted: 3/9/2021 11:16:39 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought Reich was going to rehab Wentz and get him back to mvp form? Or did I dream that? Oh yup, I forgot about him...
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Posted: 3/9/2021 11:20:57 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Avoided what exactly? They chose not to pay cousins and ride out one year deals. Even if they paid him I doubt much if anything changes where they are now. Other than having Cousins on an expensive deal (which wouldn’t help them) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't want to trigger some football PTSD or whatever, but the WTF traded Kendall Fuller and a 3rd round pick to bring on Alex Smith, and then they gave him a 4 year, $94M contract. At the time, Smith and Cousins were statistically similar, and Smith was four years older. Even if we look past Smith's catastrophic injury, the WTF chose poorly. If they would have paid Cousins when he was eligible, they could have avoided all of that. Would they have been contenders? Most likely not. But it would have been less costly in the long run. Avoided what exactly? They chose not to pay cousins and ride out one year deals. Even if they paid him I doubt much if anything changes where they are now. Other than having Cousins on an expensive deal (which wouldn’t help them) Uhh.... 5 years or so of drama, bullshit, and basement dwelling, all at a high cost? |
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Posted: 3/9/2021 11:26:41 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Uhh.... 5 years or so of drama, bullshit, and basement dwelling, all at a high cost? 
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Posted: 3/9/2021 11:35:26 AM EDT
[#35]
Stephen A made the Dak signing about race this morning. Basically saying because he wasn't signed sooner is due to him being of color. Biggest race baiter in sports.
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Posted: 3/9/2021 11:37:04 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/9/2021 11:37:29 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Stephen A made the Dak signing about race this morning. Basically saying because he wasn't signed sooner is due to him being of color. Biggest race baiter in sports. He is the biggest asshole for a reason... |
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Posted: 3/9/2021 11:43:03 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Stephen A made the Dak signing about race this morning. Basically saying because he wasn't signed sooner is due to him being of color. Biggest race baiter in sports. How does the loudmouth dickweed explain Patrick Mahomes' contract then? |
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Posted: 3/9/2021 11:50:09 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How does the loudmouth dickweed explain Patrick Mahomes' contract then? He can't. He just hates white people. He thinks white people owning a business/franchise is oppressive to Black folk. |
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Posted: 3/9/2021 12:17:58 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Uhh.... 5 years or so of drama, bullshit, and basement dwelling, all at a high cost? So paying Cousins $60 million more than Smith in the same timeframe would have changed things? |
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Posted: 3/9/2021 12:46:31 PM EDT
[#41]
Godwin is getting tagged. Dupree is not.
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Posted: 3/9/2021 12:51:31 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So paying Cousins $60 million more than Smith in the same timeframe would have changed things? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Uhh.... 5 years or so of drama, bullshit, and basement dwelling, all at a high cost? So paying Cousins $60 million more than Smith in the same timeframe would have changed things? Cousins only got the price tag he did because he was tagged twice and then hit the open market as a free agent franchise QB. If the WTF would have given him a proper contract when he became eligible, he wouldn’t have cost nearly as much as he did. The WTF paid more than they needed to, traded away a high quality defender on his rookie deal and a draft pick, and still came up empty handed. |
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Posted: 3/9/2021 1:11:14 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Godwin is getting tagged. Dupree is not. |
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Posted: 3/9/2021 1:13:11 PM EDT
[#44]
[Mike Jones] Was told there's a good chance the salary cap figures will be set this afternoon
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Posted: 3/9/2021 1:15:42 PM EDT
[#45]
[Schefter] ESPN's lead story from 1 year ago today: "Cowboys reporter Todd Archer says team has sent a NEW proposal to Prescott's agent in hopes of kick-starting discussions for a long-term deal. Sources say offer that WAS on table before was worth $33M per season and more than $100M gtd."
My what a year can change. Entering a reduced cap season where half the league wants a new QB or are shopping theirs out. Couldn't afford to tag Dak due to the cap restraints. No readily available/affordable replacements due to market demand. Couldn't have worked out any better for Dak. |
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Posted: 3/9/2021 1:40:33 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: [Mike Jones] 281-330-8004 |
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Posted: 3/9/2021 1:44:51 PM EDT
[#47]
So it appears all those reports that Dak wanted 40m per year on a 4 year deal were accurate.
I'm sure this will work better for them than it did for anybody else who paid a QB like this
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Posted: 3/9/2021 1:53:29 PM EDT
[#48]
Also, Josh Gordon playing in that arena league...
 Josh Gordon Catches GAME-WINNING Hail Mary vs. Beasts | FCF Week 4 |
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Posted: 3/9/2021 1:56:55 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So it appears all those reports that Dak wanted 40m per year on a 4 year deal were accurate. I'm sure this will work better for them than it did for anybody else who paid a QB like this |
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Posted: 3/9/2021 1:58:17 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So it appears all those reports that Dak wanted 40m per year on a 4 year deal were accurate. I'm sure this will work better for them than it did for anybody else who paid a QB like this They will win twice as many Super Bowls under this contract than they did under his rookie contract. |
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