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Posted: 9/20/2023 5:22:20 AM EST
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Posted: 9/20/2023 6:15:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Doesn’t his win/loss ratio without Brady show us that he’s mediocre at best? That’s a retarded take. |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 9:20:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s a retarded take. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Doesn’t his win/loss ratio without Brady show us that he’s mediocre at best? That’s a retarded take. +1 All it shows is how valuable Tom Brady was to the team. The perfect example to show this is 2007 and 2008. In '07, Belichick and Brady took an absolutely loaded roster to 16-0 in the regular season and all the way to the Super Bowl where they were beaten in a close game. In '08 the Patriots had essentially the same exact roster...but Brady had his knee caved in at Aaron Rodgers minutes into the first game of the season. Without Brady, the Patriots were 11-5. I believe 100% that Brady was indeed worth four or five extra wins and with him, they probably would have gone 15-1 or 16-0 again in '08. So, Belichick's record with/without Brady isn't an indictment on Belichick, it's high praise for Brady. |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 10:07:00 AM EST
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Posted: 9/20/2023 10:11:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, Belichick's record with/without Brady isn't an indictment on Belichick, it's high praise for Brady. Bill is responsible for the roster. The draft and the free agents. Bill was responsible for putting Patricia and Judge in charge of the offense last season. Bill is the head coach. He is ultimately responsible for everything. So yes, we have to cut Bill a break because Brady was a legend and you don't just replace a guy like Brady. But that does not mean Bill's record without Brady can be completely ignored, because it is still founded on a decade of poor drafting and free agency moves and dumbshit decisions like last year's offensive leadership/play calling, which were all Bill's choices. |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 10:25:30 AM EST
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As expected. |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 10:28:34 AM EST
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Josina Anderson reporting that the current discussion regarding Nick Chubb's treatment is to have two surgeries. The first surgery will be in the following few days with a second surgery to occur several weeks later.
There were unconfirmed reports yesterday that he tore "multiple" ligaments. Full injury diagnosis still not revealed/confirmed. |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 10:30:35 AM EST
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Posted: 9/20/2023 10:45:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's apparent that there are two different things about Belichick that are in play here: 1. Bill the coach 2. Bill the GM Bill the coach is very good, certainly as good as anyone, anywhere, at any time. He has proven this. On this level, he and Brady had more of a symbiotic professional relationship. Bill helped Brady, but Brady really helped Belichick. Bill the GM is quite a bit more complicated. It's looking more and more like Bill the GM benefited greatly by having Brady on the roster for a number of reasons. A. Brady taking "team friendly" contracts that helped Bill sign more talent across the roster. Unlike other top tier QBs of his era, Brady didn't demand every last dollar he was worth. B. Free agents willing to come to New England (many times at bargain bin pricing) because they knew that Brady gave them a chance to win it all. C. Perhaps most importantly, Brady the player made everybody around him better. He made the O-line look great. He made his receivers look great. He helped his defense look better because he made the offense so much better. Brady covered Bill's sins as GM, of which there were plenty. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: As far as the Patriots are concerned, it is clear that the 20 year run of success was more due to Brady than Belichick. Now, I'm not saying it was all Brady, but Belichick was certainly made better by Brady, not the other way around. Belichick is still one of the top HCs in the league (and...ever?), but he was vaulted to even greater heights by having Brady under center. Brady proved he could go somewhere else and win a championship with an entirely different cast of players and coaches. Bill has proven that he can't. Brady covered up and mitigated A LOT of shortcomings from his teammates and his coaches. Doesn’t his win/loss ratio without Brady show us that he’s mediocre at best? It's apparent that there are two different things about Belichick that are in play here: 1. Bill the coach 2. Bill the GM Bill the coach is very good, certainly as good as anyone, anywhere, at any time. He has proven this. On this level, he and Brady had more of a symbiotic professional relationship. Bill helped Brady, but Brady really helped Belichick. Bill the GM is quite a bit more complicated. It's looking more and more like Bill the GM benefited greatly by having Brady on the roster for a number of reasons. A. Brady taking "team friendly" contracts that helped Bill sign more talent across the roster. Unlike other top tier QBs of his era, Brady didn't demand every last dollar he was worth. B. Free agents willing to come to New England (many times at bargain bin pricing) because they knew that Brady gave them a chance to win it all. C. Perhaps most importantly, Brady the player made everybody around him better. He made the O-line look great. He made his receivers look great. He helped his defense look better because he made the offense so much better. Brady covered Bill's sins as GM, of which there were plenty. Bill the GM has objectively failed. He didn't start bad, but something changed in NE's processes, and it ended badly. Since 2014, Bill has only drafted two players that made the Pro Bowl with the Patriots. One is a punter, and the other is Mac Jones with a massive asterisk next to his name. Belichick also repeatedly fell short in free agency culminating with the offense skill positions being pretty barren in/since 2019. So, it's Bill's fault the roster sucks, but the product he coaches on the field is still pretty solid relative to the talent on the roster. |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 10:48:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: +1 All it shows is how valuable Tom Brady was to the team. The perfect example to show this is 2007 and 2008. In '07, Belichick and Brady took an absolutely loaded roster to 16-0 in the regular season and all the way to the Super Bowl where they were beaten in a close game. In '08 the Patriots had essentially the same exact roster...but Brady had his knee caved in at Aaron Rodgers minutes into the first game of the season. Without Brady, the Patriots were 11-5. I believe 100% that Brady was indeed worth four or five extra wins and with him, they probably would have gone 15-1 or 16-0 again in '08. So, Belichick's record with/without Brady isn't an indictment on Belichick, it's high praise for Brady. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Doesn’t his win/loss ratio without Brady show us that he’s mediocre at best? That’s a retarded take. +1 All it shows is how valuable Tom Brady was to the team. The perfect example to show this is 2007 and 2008. In '07, Belichick and Brady took an absolutely loaded roster to 16-0 in the regular season and all the way to the Super Bowl where they were beaten in a close game. In '08 the Patriots had essentially the same exact roster...but Brady had his knee caved in at Aaron Rodgers minutes into the first game of the season. Without Brady, the Patriots were 11-5. I believe 100% that Brady was indeed worth four or five extra wins and with him, they probably would have gone 15-1 or 16-0 again in '08. So, Belichick's record with/without Brady isn't an indictment on Belichick, it's high praise for Brady. Matt. Cassel. I would hope Tom friggin' Brady would be worth 4-5 wins relative to Matt Cassel. |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 10:51:16 AM EST
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Jump to 12:40 of this video of a couple of inebriated Jets fans watching Parsons’ second sack to see the most hilarious example.  The Disaster in Dallas (Part 2) | Jets @ Cowboys 9/17/23 Week 2 Game Reactions |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 11:07:19 AM EST
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Where is Sergio Brown ?
Guess he put out some rant on Instagram yesterday, some say he made the clip in Mexico. Claims the FBI killed his Mom. |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 11:30:47 AM EST
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He nails tomlin!
 Fake Coach Tomlin Press Conference Week 1 vs 49ers) | Pittsburgh Steelers | Pittsburgh |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 11:36:09 AM EST
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 The WORST Plays of Week 2 |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 11:50:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Steeler d was handling the Dallas offense all game. O'Donnell threw the game.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I still hate Neil O'Donnell for gifting that MVP to Larry Brown (as I recall) with two mind-boggling INTs. Okay, I don't hate him, but wtf. Tomlin does do some seeming stupid shit. Like not fire Canada. And letting 20 seconds tick off the 2nd Qtr clock before calling the TO. Then kneeling on it after the kickoff. Kinda hard to explain that. O'Donnell threw the game. Payback for the Golden Richards drop. |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 11:51:39 AM EST
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 Witness describes fight that killed Patriots fan during game |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 12:21:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryI guess he's not aware of what a condom is. Sheesh 4 different women at the same time. He's never going to be able to retire. |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 12:29:29 PM EST
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Posted: 9/20/2023 12:31:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess he's not aware of what a condom is. Sheesh 4 different women at the same time. He's never going to be able to retire. Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess he's not aware of what a condom is. Sheesh 4 different women at the same time. He's never going to be able to retire. G.O.B.: It ain’t easy being white, Franklin: It ain’t easy being brown! G.O.B.: All this pressure to be bright, Franklin: I got children all over town!  Gob & Franklin Sing "It Ain't Easy Being White" - Arrested Development |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 12:39:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bengals fans: “Well, this season can’t get any worse.” https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/7CF2B6A7-6D3E-473D-A969-2CD7C25059E6_jpe-2959537.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/3E05E774-0D6D-495D-82CB-806FFC4A4A40_jpe-2959539.JPG That's not the last 3 MNF games, though. |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 12:46:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryI listened to the game on the radio so I didn't see that, freaking hilarious. |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 12:47:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Ouch  There is something going with the Bears DC, too.
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Posted: 9/20/2023 12:47:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Doesn't his win/loss ratio without Brady show us that he's mediocre at best? Bill doesn't draft well and his strength is really building a defense. Bill is still one of the best coaches out there. It's hard to go from a HOF QB and continue winning, which is what pissed me off about Green Bay. They may be doing it a 3rd time in a row. They need a few years of Quincy Carter imo. |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 12:50:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's not the last 3 MNF games, though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Bengals fans: “Well, this season can’t get any worse.” https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/7CF2B6A7-6D3E-473D-A969-2CD7C25059E6_jpe-2959537.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/258158/3E05E774-0D6D-495D-82CB-806FFC4A4A40_jpe-2959539.JPG That's not the last 3 MNF games, though. Those are the last 3 MNF games broadcasted on ESPN with the MNF crew. The next one is Rams @ Bengals. |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 1:11:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ouch There is something going with the Bears DC, too.
Leslie Frazier in 3..2.. |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 1:36:26 PM EST
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Marcus Maye of the New Orleans Saints has been suspended without pay for the next three games for violating the NFL Policy on Substances of Abuse.
7th season, 2nd with the Saints. He already had 1 INT and 1 sack in the first two games. |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 2:29:54 PM EST
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Posted: 9/20/2023 2:30:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ouch There is something going with the Bears DC, too.
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:
Ouch There is something going with the Bears DC, too.
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Posted: 9/20/2023 2:30:57 PM EST
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Edit: What GenY said...
Double Edit: Rumors on Reddit are saying child pornography. Would certainly explain why they raided his home and work. Triple Edit: From a post on Reddit made a few hours ago, "Nobody will believe me, but I have a source that said the FBI is investigating him for child pornography." Quad Edit: Bears podcaster saying, "it's very, very bad", "potentially top-3 scandal". |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 2:32:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Edit: What GenY said... Kiddie stuff i bet. 
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Posted: 9/20/2023 2:39:31 PM EST
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Posted: 9/20/2023 2:41:37 PM EST
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Posted: 9/20/2023 2:46:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
WTF
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Posted: 9/20/2023 2:48:36 PM EST
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So is the Bears DC a pedo and that's what he got raided for? Because all the speculation makes it sound like it.
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Posted: 9/20/2023 2:54:01 PM EST
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Bears are speed running to the worst season in franchise history. We're two weeks in man. Chill. There's a lot of season left to deliver this kind of suffering and misery.
Caleb Williams has to be sweating already. |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 2:56:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ouch There is something going with the Bears DC, too.
What is Hall's role in all that mess? |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 2:57:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is Hall's role in all that mess? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted:
Ouch There is something going with the Bears DC, too.
What is Hall's role in all that mess? Halas Hall is the Bears HQ building. So all the team offices. |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 3:01:57 PM EST
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https://media3.giphy.com/media/14xBs3z25CiiPK/giphy.gif Didn't the Chargers have one seasons where they had the #1 offense AND the #1 defense and still didn't make the playoffs? I don't think which franchise is more cursed: 1. Chargers 2. Jets 3. Browns 4. Lions |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 3:02:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Halas Hall is the Bears HQ building. So all the team offices. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted:
Ouch There is something going with the Bears DC, too.
What is Hall's role in all that mess? Halas Hall is the Bears HQ building. So all the team offices. I just showed you guys how dumb I am again
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Posted: 9/20/2023 3:04:10 PM EST
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Posted: 9/20/2023 3:08:31 PM EST
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Posted: 9/20/2023 3:12:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Edit: What GenY said... Double Edit: Rumors on Reddit are saying child pornography. Would certainly explain why they raided his home and work. Triple Edit: From a post on Reddit made a few hours ago, "Nobody will believe me, but I have a source that said the FBI is investigating him for child pornography." Quad Edit: Bears podcaster saying, "it's very, very bad", "potentially top-3 scandal". If true, fucking hang him. |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 3:14:23 PM EST
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Posted: 9/20/2023 3:16:17 PM EST
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Now it's for real. |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 3:23:35 PM EST
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Looks like the Halas Hall thing was not true
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Posted: 9/20/2023 3:26:17 PM EST
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Posted: 9/20/2023 3:30:55 PM EST
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Posted: 9/20/2023 3:34:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryWTF is going on? Sounds like there is something happening but not 'child' or FBI related  Still very odd to quit on the team after one game (he wasn't at the game week 2). |
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Posted: 9/20/2023 3:34:58 PM EST
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Posted: 9/20/2023 3:38:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't the Chargers have one seasons where they had the #1 offense AND the #1 defense and still didn't make the playoffs? I don't think which franchise is more cursed: 1. Chargers 2. Jets 3. Browns 4. Lions The Bills have entered the chat
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